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On August 22 2011 03:41 Dante08 wrote:
I'm glad Terran found the 1/1/1. Protoss is imba as shit late game
What? What game are you playing?
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On August 22 2011 03:33 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:30 mcc wrote:On August 22 2011 03:10 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Increase forcefield range IMO -- allow us to contain 1-1-1-ers That would break the game incredibly badly, ZvP ? Just take away free PDD it is too powerful spell against early game protoss. There are no other early game uses for the spell anyway. But the standard push without a raven is also very very strong, it won't solve the problem. Puma also got cloak which didn't pay for itself but it didn't matter really, because MC wasn't teching so the time wasted in cloack didn't matter.
It is still strong, it is still much easier to execute than to defend, but much easier to hold than with PDD. Also if raven survives the first push like on Caverns game, it makes the second (wtf  ) all-in still viable. Without the PDD MC would held the second push.
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On August 22 2011 03:41 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:39 Jayrod wrote:On August 22 2011 03:36 laonda wrote:Well all balance discussions aside it was a nerf breaking finals. Damn some very good games to watch! First game: i really believed MC had this after the first all-in failed. Second game: Puma way behind losing dropships, 2 production facilities etc. But coming back after killing one dropship and landing a good EMP. Third game: was bizare, puma also got supplied blocked in the beginning of the game, but managed to get the 1-1-1 into a base trade situation, if it wasn't for that raven  Puma is really a beast but i must say MC is so damn good, sad to see him go down in this fashion. Beautifully written lol 1. MC should have but didn't win game 1. 2. MC should have and didn't win game 2. 3.MC: rattled and starts using some crazy strats.Puma is not a beast IMO. MC though needs some help in the up and down matches though. GL MC..
MC went for phoenix cuzz that is a counter to 1/1/1. But puma made no banshees and dealt with the phoenix fine.
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I wonder why no Terran in this GSL Code S August did the 111 against Toss, absolutely noo one. only MVP did a 2 base contain. Those Korean Terrans could have owned Toss easily.
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@bokeevboke
Dude...who DO you think are good Korean terrans? MMA, Bomber, Polt, Puma are random nobodies? I'm sorry man but no. No.
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so puma won? man, lots of 3-0s for him, nicely done.. wouldn't mind checking out some vods down the road.. really wanted mc to take another title, but, suppose his pockets are already stuffed.
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On August 22 2011 03:41 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:39 Jayrod wrote:On August 22 2011 03:36 laonda wrote:Well all balance discussions aside it was a nerf breaking finals. Damn some very good games to watch! First game: i really believed MC had this after the first all-in failed. Second game: Puma way behind losing dropships, 2 production facilities etc. But coming back after killing one dropship and landing a good EMP. Third game: was bizare, puma also got supplied blocked in the beginning of the game, but managed to get the 1-1-1 into a base trade situation, if it wasn't for that raven Puma is really a beast but i must say MC is so damn good, sad to see him go down in this fashion. Beautifully written lol 1. MC should have but didn't win game 1. 2. MC should have and didn't win game 2. 3.MC: rattled and starts using some crazy strats. Puma is not a beast IMO. MC though needs some help in the up and down matches though. GL MC..
You really can't read the sarcasm in the post I quoted? It was perfectly veiled sarcasm, read it again
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On August 22 2011 03:13 Buff Terrans wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:12 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Everyone should spam MC and tell him to switch to terran. Byun got alot better after the switch, maybe it'll help MC too. Yeah, just switch to the FotM-Race every month.
What do you mean? Terran has been sitting at 55-60% win rates on Korea since beta. Check sc2 stats. Seems like a good long term investment to me.
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On August 22 2011 03:43 Horse...falcon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:37 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:33 rareh wrote:On August 22 2011 03:25 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:21 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 22 2011 03:12 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:10 Vinski wrote:On August 22 2011 02:59 chatuka wrote:
how can people still defend Puma here. I can't say. he didn't play that great IMO and got lucky.
MC played even worse and paid the price. I've never seen MC play that badly before.
As for the race balance, i'll trust blizzard and the maps to fix that problem.
as for personalities. Puma is boring, unattractive, and Disreputable with TSL
I don't dislike EG BTW
MC: Brash, Bold, Competant player who makes bad mistakes against rival opponents.
Perhaps him drinking less soda will help him think more clearly.
Who are you going to root for.. obviously the boss Protoss.
Rofl. Dude wtf. A win is a damn win and I cheered for Puma man I don't like MC nearly as much. And Everyone on teamliquid hates cheese so if anyone wins with it in a tournament the get immediate hate. Lets not forget MC was cheesy player not to long ago. And we have seen Puma beat MC before without cheesing so I would say that he deserved this win. Out classed. good for you man. I think you are in the minority here so have fun. I'll root for the classier player which is MC> MC is classier than whom, Puma? How do you draw this conclusion? wow, you don't even know SC2 history? how about Puma just doing some shady things to TSL. just back stabbing coach Lee. Never explained the EG situtation correctly or loudly enough for Lee to understand what EG wanted with Puma. Puma is the one at fault. I don't blame EG for wanting Puma. I don't blame coach lee for getting upset. Puma should have communicated the situation much better and didn't. which makes him a you know what in my estimation. MC: always reaches out to the foreign community. ballsy and entertaining to watch. Never did BM moves to any of his team-mates or sponsors or the game.. this is so easy,and you can't even understand my points. MC is far classier than Puma. it's not even a contest of debate. Joke ? Puma talked to his coach before, problem was his coached cried in a interview cause he didn't sign a contract and rain, tester and fruitdealer also left, was very childish move by coach lee, but he has had so much drama with sc2 con aswell for treating his players badly. btw you know puma didn't have a salary, right ? Puma never bmed anyone, MC made the throat slash to idra and several disrespectful things to opponents after winning or before games, like slamming booth, saying his opponents are easy, etc Never liked MC MC is just an entertainer man.. that's theater. I don't think Puma did. I remember the reports of why Puma felt uncomfortable at the TSL after the NASL finals.. He didn't tell the coach quickly which is BM. Nor was there a team discussion on Puma's part with coach lee. I'm not bashing Puma. All I am saying is that MC is a classier player, style wise and person wise. that's how I think, and I think lot's of people will agree with me here. Not me, you're a moron. Not telling your coach immediately is BM? Fuck that. His coach bitched and played the pity card to the media before anything was signed. What if that jeopardized Puma's contract with EG? If Coach Lee really cared about his players he would want what's best for them and have kept his mouth shut. Did Nazgul whine and complain about Huk leaving before anything was finalized? NO. If I was in Puma's position I would have flipped him off and packed my shit immediately.
1.there is no need to use curses. No where am I attacking your character or slandering you dude. take a chill pill
I'm allowed to have my opinions of Puma and his relationship with TSL. I read the threads as much as you.
I do remember full well that Puma was hiding something from Coach Lee. the fact that coach lee bitched and complained to the press was BM by himself. But that was after the fact.
Get your facts straight, before you start calling other people morons. I never insulted you until now. You started this flame
HIs history with TSL is the main reason I never root for him anymore. but GL to Puma. may he succeed with EG. I'll continue to follow other players closer that Skincare boy
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On August 22 2011 03:36 The KY wrote:
So...MC holds a 1/1/1 build with a 30 supply advantage, then loses soon after anyway. Sounds like getting outplayed to me. Second game he loses a standard game. Third game he straight up loses to 1/1/1. To me, this doesn't sound like a series worthy of too much qq.
What pisses me off is the fact that in the run up to this series everyone is like 'ooomg Puma v MC rematch, NASL finals were amazing, shame it's only Bo5, doesn't do justice to these two amazing players!'.
After Puma cheeses twice, it's all 'PUMA IS AWFUL, I never liked him or EG, he could never beat MC, a.k.a the Protoss Christ, without his absurd terran bullshit, here are all the reasons Puma played like shit like the cheeser he is.'
I'd also like to point out that an OP build doesn't make an OP race. Also to people qqing...we fucking know. We know it looks too strong. Put down your pitchforks and torches and have an ounce of patience. Through the metagame or patching, it'll be fixed.
I disagree when you say that an OP build doesn't make an OP race. If I had a hypothetical race which lost every game unless it did a certain build, but that build guaranteed victory (this example is conceptual, it has nothing to do with the 1-1-1 all-in or Terran), then that race would be OP. What is a race? Its builds, its macro and micro mechanics, its units, and so on. A build is a perfectly legitimate part of a race - the strength of a race directly hinges on the various things it can do in terms of builds, units, macro mechanics, and so on. I fail to see how a build can be OP while leaving the race not OP.
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On August 22 2011 03:41 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:39 Jayrod wrote:On August 22 2011 03:36 laonda wrote:Well all balance discussions aside it was a nerf breaking finals. Damn some very good games to watch! First game: i really believed MC had this after the first all-in failed. Second game: Puma way behind losing dropships, 2 production facilities etc. But coming back after killing one dropship and landing a good EMP. Third game: was bizare, puma also got supplied blocked in the beginning of the game, but managed to get the 1-1-1 into a base trade situation, if it wasn't for that raven Puma is really a beast but i must say MC is so damn good, sad to see him go down in this fashion. Beautifully written lol 1. MC should have but didn't win game 1. 2. MC should have and didn't win game 2. 3.MC: rattled and starts using some crazy strats. Puma is not a beast IMO. MC though needs some help in the up and down matches though. GL MC..
Update on 3:
3. MC did a stargate opening to counter 1-1-1 and failed, because no banshee where made
rest i agree
ps read the sarcasm
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On August 22 2011 03:28 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:26 SafeAsCheese wrote:On August 22 2011 03:25 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:21 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 22 2011 03:12 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:10 Vinski wrote:On August 22 2011 02:59 chatuka wrote:
how can people still defend Puma here. I can't say. he didn't play that great IMO and got lucky.
MC played even worse and paid the price. I've never seen MC play that badly before.
As for the race balance, i'll trust blizzard and the maps to fix that problem.
as for personalities. Puma is boring, unattractive, and Disreputable with TSL
I don't dislike EG BTW
MC: Brash, Bold, Competant player who makes bad mistakes against rival opponents.
Perhaps him drinking less soda will help him think more clearly.
Who are you going to root for.. obviously the boss Protoss.
Rofl. Dude wtf. A win is a damn win and I cheered for Puma man I don't like MC nearly as much. And Everyone on teamliquid hates cheese so if anyone wins with it in a tournament the get immediate hate. Lets not forget MC was cheesy player not to long ago. And we have seen Puma beat MC before without cheesing so I would say that he deserved this win. Out classed. good for you man. I think you are in the minority here so have fun. I'll root for the classier player which is MC> MC is classier than whom, Puma? How do you draw this conclusion? wow, you don't even know SC2 history? how about Puma just doing some shady things to TSL. just back stabbing coach Lee. Never explained the EG situtation correctly or loudly enough for Lee to understand what EG wanted with Puma. Puma is the one at fault. I don't blame EG for wanting Puma. I don't blame coach lee for getting upset. Puma should have communicated the situation much better and didn't. which makes him a you know what in my estimation. MC: always reaches out to the foreign community. ballsy and entertaining to watch. Never did BM moves to any of his team-mates or sponsors or the game.. this is so easy,and you can't even understand my I can make up stuff as well. MC kicks babies. this isn't made up.. read the Puma goes to EG threads. PUma totally BMd TSL..
No he didn't, he made his finacial life better and some crybabies still living at home got sad.
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Puma got cloak in g1. Did nothing with it and had at least 1 tank, meaby 2 less becouse of it. MC barely held it, he wouldn't have had any chances with few extra tanks back there and lost the game right there...
g3 he tried to metagame puma, phoenix builds lose to any earlier bio all-in and are quite screwed against cloaked banshees aswell. It worked out well, except that even blindly countering the build isn't enough.
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On August 22 2011 03:44 s3183529 wrote:
I wonder why no Terran in this GSL Code S August did the 111 against Toss, absolutely noo one. only MVP did a 2 base contain. Those Korean Terrans could have owned Toss easily.
There weren't that many protosses in the RO32 and not that many TvP. There's been alot of those in Code A and the GSTL though so stop trying to use that as an argument.
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Forgive me for coming late to the games (house was on fire).
Anywhere I can find a VOD or a youtubelink to the games?
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GG's PuMa. Congratulations.
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On August 22 2011 03:46 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:43 Horse...falcon wrote:On August 22 2011 03:37 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:33 rareh wrote:On August 22 2011 03:25 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:21 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 22 2011 03:12 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:10 Vinski wrote:On August 22 2011 02:59 chatuka wrote:
how can people still defend Puma here. I can't say. he didn't play that great IMO and got lucky.
MC played even worse and paid the price. I've never seen MC play that badly before.
As for the race balance, i'll trust blizzard and the maps to fix that problem.
as for personalities. Puma is boring, unattractive, and Disreputable with TSL
I don't dislike EG BTW
MC: Brash, Bold, Competant player who makes bad mistakes against rival opponents.
Perhaps him drinking less soda will help him think more clearly.
Who are you going to root for.. obviously the boss Protoss.
Rofl. Dude wtf. A win is a damn win and I cheered for Puma man I don't like MC nearly as much. And Everyone on teamliquid hates cheese so if anyone wins with it in a tournament the get immediate hate. Lets not forget MC was cheesy player not to long ago. And we have seen Puma beat MC before without cheesing so I would say that he deserved this win. Out classed. good for you man. I think you are in the minority here so have fun. I'll root for the classier player which is MC> MC is classier than whom, Puma? How do you draw this conclusion? wow, you don't even know SC2 history? how about Puma just doing some shady things to TSL. just back stabbing coach Lee. Never explained the EG situtation correctly or loudly enough for Lee to understand what EG wanted with Puma. Puma is the one at fault. I don't blame EG for wanting Puma. I don't blame coach lee for getting upset. Puma should have communicated the situation much better and didn't. which makes him a you know what in my estimation. MC: always reaches out to the foreign community. ballsy and entertaining to watch. Never did BM moves to any of his team-mates or sponsors or the game.. this is so easy,and you can't even understand my points. MC is far classier than Puma. it's not even a contest of debate. Joke ? Puma talked to his coach before, problem was his coached cried in a interview cause he didn't sign a contract and rain, tester and fruitdealer also left, was very childish move by coach lee, but he has had so much drama with sc2 con aswell for treating his players badly. btw you know puma didn't have a salary, right ? Puma never bmed anyone, MC made the throat slash to idra and several disrespectful things to opponents after winning or before games, like slamming booth, saying his opponents are easy, etc Never liked MC MC is just an entertainer man.. that's theater. I don't think Puma did. I remember the reports of why Puma felt uncomfortable at the TSL after the NASL finals.. He didn't tell the coach quickly which is BM. Nor was there a team discussion on Puma's part with coach lee. I'm not bashing Puma. All I am saying is that MC is a classier player, style wise and person wise. that's how I think, and I think lot's of people will agree with me here. Not me, you're a moron. Not telling your coach immediately is BM? Fuck that. His coach bitched and played the pity card to the media before anything was signed. What if that jeopardized Puma's contract with EG? If Coach Lee really cared about his players he would want what's best for them and have kept his mouth shut. Did Nazgul whine and complain about Huk leaving before anything was finalized? NO. If I was in Puma's position I would have flipped him off and packed my shit immediately. 1.there is no need to use curses. No where am I attacking your character or slandering you dude. take a chill pill I'm allowed to have my opinions of Puma and his relationship with TSL. I read the threads as much as you. I do remember full well that Puma was hiding something from Coach Lee. the fact that coach lee bitched and complained to the press was BM by himself. But that was after the fact. Get your facts straight, before you start calling other people morons. I never insulted you until now. You started this flame
Facts? The only facts we have are from Coach Lee's weepy testimony to PlayXP and even then the only thing he said was that he noticed Puma sighing a lot. Puma's a grown man and he's not even contracted to TSL. If I was weighing an offer from a competitor the last thing I want to do is talk to my manager.
TL:DR - you're still a moron
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On August 22 2011 03:48 kkimjangs wrote:
Forgive me for coming late to the games (house was on fire).
seriously? if so, hope you're ok!?!
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On August 22 2011 03:46 laonda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:41 chatuka wrote:On August 22 2011 03:39 Jayrod wrote:On August 22 2011 03:36 laonda wrote:Well all balance discussions aside it was a nerf breaking finals. Damn some very good games to watch! First game: i really believed MC had this after the first all-in failed. Second game: Puma way behind losing dropships, 2 production facilities etc. But coming back after killing one dropship and landing a good EMP. Third game: was bizare, puma also got supplied blocked in the beginning of the game, but managed to get the 1-1-1 into a base trade situation, if it wasn't for that raven Puma is really a beast but i must say MC is so damn good, sad to see him go down in this fashion. Beautifully written lol 1. MC should have but didn't win game 1. 2. MC should have and didn't win game 2. 3.MC: rattled and starts using some crazy strats. Puma is not a beast IMO. MC though needs some help in the up and down matches though. GL MC.. Update on 3: 3. MC did a stargate opening to counter 1-1-1 and failed, because no banshee where made rest i agree ps read the sarcasm
tx for the correction and explanation. no sarcasm intended
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