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On August 21 2011 09:00 Diavlo wrote:I love the all "IdrA is so BM, he doesn't GG" when Heart has dropped mules every game he won... Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:55 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
why does he insist on playing muta ling bane only when he does not have the micro to engage properly? without the micro to pull it off he maybe should go for other builds. And do what instead? every good zerg expet nerchio is going muta/bane. And nerchio just got rapped by the first korean terran he ever met.
Stephano, who actually performed much better against PuMa often goes ling infestor, roaches are not the only alternative.
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IdrA loses a match: "lol he's no good anymore"
He didn't lose to some random Master's league NA player. He made it to the finals and lost 2-3 to a TSL member.
Series was pretty good. IdrA was behind for ages in the last game and made a game of it. He saw the unsieged tanks and took a shot before he lost his new 3rd. It didn't work and that's the game.
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On August 21 2011 09:02 RxBorG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:00 Diavlo wrote:I love the all "IdrA is so BM, he doesn't GG" when Heart has dropped mules every game he won... On August 21 2011 08:55 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
why does he insist on playing muta ling bane only when he does not have the micro to engage properly? without the micro to pull it off he maybe should go for other builds. And do what instead? every good zerg expet nerchio is going muta/bane. And nerchio just got rapped by the first korean terran he ever met. he's right. Roaches melt to tanks because they stack too easily and don't move fast enough. IdrA's late game ZvT is phenomenal and Heart never really gave him the chance to show it
It's not really how phenomenal his late game is. He just makes infestor broodlord which is very hard to counter lol
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On August 21 2011 09:03 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:02 RxBorG wrote:On August 21 2011 09:00 Diavlo wrote:I love the all "IdrA is so BM, he doesn't GG" when Heart has dropped mules every game he won... On August 21 2011 08:55 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
why does he insist on playing muta ling bane only when he does not have the micro to engage properly? without the micro to pull it off he maybe should go for other builds. And do what instead? every good zerg expet nerchio is going muta/bane. And nerchio just got rapped by the first korean terran he ever met. he's right. Roaches melt to tanks because they stack too easily and don't move fast enough. IdrA's late game ZvT is phenomenal and Heart never really gave him the chance to show it They do fine on creep for cost, but not for supply...
that's true, but you can get stuck with roaches and they max out your supply too quickly. And then you get on 4-5 bases and have a very immobile army unless you put nydus worms at every base. So eventually defending drops and such because much more difficult when you go heavy roach.
Ling/bane/muta gives you that mobility that allows you to harass and prevent 3rd's/4ths from going up from the terran, if you go roach you just sit and wait for them to come
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On August 21 2011 09:06 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
IdrA loses a match: "lol he's no good anymore"
People have been saying this for quite some time. There's a grain of truth to it, but obviously he's not bad, or terrible, or whatever. IdrA's skill has dipped outside Korea, there's no way around it.
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On August 21 2011 09:04 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:00 Diavlo wrote:I love the all "IdrA is so BM, he doesn't GG" when Heart has dropped mules every game he won... On August 21 2011 08:55 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
why does he insist on playing muta ling bane only when he does not have the micro to engage properly? without the micro to pull it off he maybe should go for other builds. And do what instead? every good zerg expet nerchio is going muta/bane. And nerchio just got rapped by the first korean terran he ever met. Stephano, who actually performed much better against PuMa often goes ling infestor, roaches are not the only alternative.
I don't think infestor openings are very good at all. Did you see how much the threat of the blue flame hellion damaged Idra? He was behind in supply for nearly the whole game, because blue flame hellions are just hanging around outside his base. Infestor openings dont exactly
help vs that and that siege push follow up will surely set up a deadly contain and as long as Terran doesn't clump, or better, builds bunkers, I don't see how Zerg can take map dominance back, unless he destroys that army (in which it is a free win)
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Heart won agains Naniwa yesterday in GSTL.... I guess that makes Naniwa too not a top player anymore... guys seriously, think before you write
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orb is a boss, and IdrA i getting caught up by everybody, i hope he can get back in shape in korean
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On August 21 2011 09:09 Leach wrote:
Heart won agains Naniwa yesterday in GSTL.... I guess that makes Naniwa too not a top player anymore... guys seriously, think before you write
Not just because he lost to heart. Because he is 4-18 vs koreans in his recent games, only taking games off heart and tandangho(lol) and his play has been very lackluster. Not to mention he's never won a tournament that didn't have purely NA players. He's simply not a top foreigner with this level of play.
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On August 21 2011 09:09 Leach wrote:
Heart won agains Naniwa yesterday in GSTL.... I guess that makes Naniwa too not a top player anymore... guys seriously, think before you write
And Fenix won vs him..
So Fenix must be a real top player now!
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Thanks for all the support everybody, I really appreciate it!
Warms my heart after casting to check the thread and see so many kindhearted comments <3
Really enjoyed casting with CatsPajamas as well, hope I get to cast with him again in the future 
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On August 21 2011 09:13 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:09 Leach wrote:
Heart won agains Naniwa yesterday in GSTL.... I guess that makes Naniwa too not a top player anymore... guys seriously, think before you write Not just because he lost to heart. Because he is 4-18 vs koreans in his recent games, only taking games off heart and tandangho(lol) and his play has been very lackluster. Not to mention he's never won a tournament that didn't have purely NA players. He's simply not a top foreigner with this level of play.
Tbh, who has a good record vs Koreans atm? The fact that Idra has faced so many is indicative that he is placing high enough in tournaments to face them. Naniwa, Ret, Thorzain, all eu players except Mana, all NA players have terrible records vs Koreans (except PvP) and especially vs KR Terran, foreigners look absolutely hopeless.
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On August 21 2011 09:13 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:09 Leach wrote:
Heart won agains Naniwa yesterday in GSTL.... I guess that makes Naniwa too not a top player anymore... guys seriously, think before you write Not just because he lost to heart. Because he is 4-18 vs koreans in his recent games, only taking games off heart and tandangho(lol) and his play has been very lackluster. Not to mention he's never won a tournament that didn't have purely NA players. He's simply not a top foreigner with this level of play.
As you absolutely correct stated is IdrA at the moment in a bad phase, you might even call it a crysis if you will
But still that doesn't mean he's not good any more. I'm sure he will get back to his old shape soon enough.
And who would you consider to be a "top foreigner" then? I think that Koreans just dominate pretty much everything atm
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Man people need to easy up. Heart is in Korea playing with a team with he clearly doesn't suck. Idra obviously doesn't suck. Why does everyone just shit on people? It's getting old and it's super annoying.
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On August 21 2011 09:17 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:13 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 09:09 Leach wrote:
Heart won agains Naniwa yesterday in GSTL.... I guess that makes Naniwa too not a top player anymore... guys seriously, think before you write Not just because he lost to heart. Because he is 4-18 vs koreans in his recent games, only taking games off heart and tandangho(lol) and his play has been very lackluster. Not to mention he's never won a tournament that didn't have purely NA players. He's simply not a top foreigner with this level of play. Tbh, who has a good record vs Koreans atm? The fact that Idra has faced so many is indicative that he is placing high enough in tournaments to face them. Naniwa, Ret, Thorzain, all eu players except Mana, all NA players have terrible records vs Koreans (except PvP) and especially vs KR Terran, foreigners look absolutely hopeless.
K then. He lost to naniwa thorzain ret and mana and nerchio. But I guess NA players are hopeless against EU so that doesn't count either.
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On August 21 2011 08:59 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 21 2011 08:57 Serpico wrote:On August 21 2011 08:56 Asha` wrote:On August 21 2011 08:55 Serpico wrote:On August 21 2011 08:54 Asha` wrote:
Domination into ragequit again that game =)
well done Heart, deserved victor. dominated 3-2. lol so much bias. which part of "that game" do you not understand? ^^ You mean a macro game where the outcome wasnt decided until the final battle? ok bro. Are you kidding? Heart was ahead that entire game and got the better engagements throughout Are YOU kidding? He had an opportunity to engage that well and take a lead by efficiently killing a whole army perhaps. Heart was like 7 supply ahead.
>.> I root for IdrA almost always but he was far behind that game. Even bases, lots of lost drones, bad on tech, positional disadvantages, behind on supply to a terran. He was behind for a long time. He needed to cost efficiently kill that army to even have a chance to come back, that is why he attacked there.
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On August 21 2011 09:16 -orb- wrote:Thanks for all the support everybody, I really appreciate it! Warms my heart after casting to check the thread and see so many kindhearted comments <3 Really enjoyed casting with CatsPajamas as well, hope I get to cast with him again in the future
You were great actually, I hehe'd a little when you said you were a fan of IdrA's play because he has some choice quotes with you.
-_- IdrA is by no means bad- he is definitely a top foreigner. However there is some truth in that he is not as comparatively good as he was when he left Korea and Code S and was ro. 16. Its k, he's going back and even if he can't beat Koreans consistently, he'll improve a lot. Heart is no slouch, and people have got to calm down. Every time IdrA plays a game, lovers lover and haters hate, and it is kinda annoying how polarizing it is.
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Idra is not a top player any more. Time to retire.
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I definitely hope to see Idra improve once he reaches Korea, because based off these games alone he's definitely only a shadow of his former skill. You only have to look at some of the desperate or non-efficient pushes he made against the marine + tank combos in these games to see that he's not making the best decision overall. Most striking was in game 2 on metalopolis where he pushed up the ramp into his third against some pretty entrenched forces with only a few meager banelings. Entire thing made me just cringe watching it.
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Heart is no slouch, nor is making top 2 in that tournament. Slayersdragon, Slayersgolden and Ranged all got knocked out well before the finals, heck even making it to the finals is quite difficult.
Idra played well, and almost pulled it out. It was a good series.
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