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On August 20 2011 20:26 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:25 JKira wrote:
I was getting all excited that Mana was going zealot-archon, but why suddenly transition to colossus? It is a really slow army to build up and MC took advantage of a great timing. IMO it was way too much tech. IIRC he was trying to get both Archons and Colossi while MC was massing up tons of Stalkers and a few immortals in the meantime. Just asking to get overrun with a very vulnerable timing.
Also Mana was ahead in probes even though MC had the way earlier expand - this means MC cut probes the whole time, basicly didn't use his additional nexus at all
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I wonder, can't the players hear the commentary? Seems like they sit right infront of the crowd? Do those sound canceling headphones really block all sound? :o
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On August 20 2011 20:26 Maskedsatyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:24 HolyArrow wrote:
I feel like Mana's building positioning really hurt him that game as well. Constantly had to worry about blink stalkers sniping his buildings. The 2 gateways placed at the ramp is something that White-ra uses and says defends 4 gate like a boss. That whole game seemed more like White-ra playing than Mana. I guess they discussed PvP a bit.
Ah, interesting to know. Still, that's a bit of a gamble, isn't it? Blink stalkers -> get buildings sniped at constantly, 4gate -> defend like a boss - don't know which one is coming.
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On August 20 2011 20:24 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:24 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
MC didn't look this strong for quite some time He always looks this strong vs foreigners
Naniwa, HuK, Thorzain, Jinro and even Idra beat him?
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On August 20 2011 20:26 Legend` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:25 Telcontar wrote:On August 20 2011 20:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 20 2011 20:24 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
MC didn't look this strong for quite some time He always looks this strong vs foreigners Korean Terrans are his bane. Korean Terrans are everyone's bane, they're so good o,o
True enough. Even Nestea isn't immune.
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Mana practically got caught with his pants down. Totally unprepared, out of position and lacking troops in general.
I think he was focusing too much on the warp prism zealot harass. (I did see quite a big blob of blue on MC's natural).
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On August 20 2011 20:26 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:25 JKira wrote:
I was getting all excited that Mana was going zealot-archon, but why suddenly transition to colossus? It is a really slow army to build up and MC took advantage of a great timing. IMO it was way too much tech. IIRC he was trying to get both Archons and Colossi while MC was massing up tons of Stalkers and a few immortals in the meantime. Just asking to get overrun with a very vulnerable timing.
Yea. If MC waited Mana would've almost been guaranteed to win. I wonder if MC realizes these timings himself. It seems impossible when scouting in PvP is really hard, but he sure attacked at just about the perfect time.
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MC looked like he had better timings that entire game and also just had control of that game in general. Mana was always back in his base while MC was always in the middle of the map.
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On August 20 2011 20:27 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:26 HolyArrow wrote:On August 20 2011 20:25 JKira wrote:
I was getting all excited that Mana was going zealot-archon, but why suddenly transition to colossus? It is a really slow army to build up and MC took advantage of a great timing. IMO it was way too much tech. IIRC he was trying to get both Archons and Colossi while MC was massing up tons of Stalkers and a few immortals in the meantime. Just asking to get overrun with a very vulnerable timing. Also Mana was ahead in probes even though MC had the way earlier expand - this means MC cut probes the whole time, basicly didn't use his additional nexus at all
dont count out useless warp prism + 4 zealots
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On August 20 2011 20:26 Maskedsatyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:24 HolyArrow wrote:
I feel like Mana's building positioning really hurt him that game as well. Constantly had to worry about blink stalkers sniping his buildings. The 2 gateways placed at the ramp is something that White-ra uses and says defends 4 gate like a boss. That whole game seemed more like White-ra playing than Mana. I guess they discussed PvP a bit.
He positioned them like that because he stole MC's gas and prevented MC from stealing his, so he was hoping MC would 4 Gate.
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Will Socke vs Puma be played immediately after this match?
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LOL commercial during their plug of the HD pass
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I think mana should just try to play straight up game with MC, he is using tricks he is not familiar with.
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On August 20 2011 20:27 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:26 Legend` wrote:On August 20 2011 20:25 Telcontar wrote:On August 20 2011 20:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 20 2011 20:24 KasdaTheEmperor wrote:
MC didn't look this strong for quite some time He always looks this strong vs foreigners Korean Terrans are his bane. Korean Terrans are everyone's bane, they're so good o,o True enough. Even Nestea isn't immune.
Truth. Just look at how MMA handily defeated him in group play.
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On August 20 2011 20:28 OnlineHero wrote:
Will Socke vs Puma be played immediately after this match?
After? Yes. Immediately? I doubt it
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On August 20 2011 20:27 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:26 Maskedsatyr wrote:On August 20 2011 20:24 HolyArrow wrote:
I feel like Mana's building positioning really hurt him that game as well. Constantly had to worry about blink stalkers sniping his buildings. The 2 gateways placed at the ramp is something that White-ra uses and says defends 4 gate like a boss. That whole game seemed more like White-ra playing than Mana. I guess they discussed PvP a bit. Ah, interesting to know. Still, that's a bit of a gamble, isn't it? Blink stalkers -> get buildings sniped at constantly, 4gate -> defend like a boss - don't know which one is coming.
That's probably the reason for the gas steal I presume? Force single gas, tempt a four gate, tailor your build to handle the 4gate. Nani was doing this kind of thing back in the MLG he won, it's part of how ToD beat Alicia too.
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On August 20 2011 20:28 bgx wrote:
I think mana should just try to play straight up game with MC, he is using tricks he is not familiar with.
Please define straight up pvp.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of proxy or at least something really cheesy from MC this game.
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On August 20 2011 20:28 OnlineHero wrote:
Will Socke vs Puma be played immediately after this match?
According to the schedule there is another LoL match inbetween. Bo3 probably.
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On August 20 2011 20:27 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 20:26 HolyArrow wrote:On August 20 2011 20:25 JKira wrote:
I was getting all excited that Mana was going zealot-archon, but why suddenly transition to colossus? It is a really slow army to build up and MC took advantage of a great timing. IMO it was way too much tech. IIRC he was trying to get both Archons and Colossi while MC was massing up tons of Stalkers and a few immortals in the meantime. Just asking to get overrun with a very vulnerable timing. Also Mana was ahead in probes even though MC had the way earlier expand - this means MC cut probes the whole time, basicly didn't use his additional nexus at all
His movement of the probes to the natural allows for better mineral saturation and 6 probes on gas allows for enough to build stalkers off of 5 gates. And he did cut probes, but it wasn't the whole time seeing 2 probes being made at a time meaning he did use the nexus...<_<
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