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Hey guys - These games are meant to be fun and for your entertainment. Caster and Player bashing will not be tolerated. Manner please!

Also, this is a Live Report thread - not the place to discuss your displeasure with the event or any of the people involved with it.
JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
July 10 2011 15:55 GMT
#261
My predictions:
Sen 3-1 July
MC 4-3 PuMa

And, yes, times are bad for EU, but it is the North American Starleague, so it's quite normal to have a good schedule for Americans who are there in real life.
"Teach the ones below you something you have learnt and learn from the ones above you." -Sonata Arctica
RudePlague
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Great Britain113 Posts
July 10 2011 15:56 GMT
#262
There's so few matches going on, definiitely didn't need to be 3 days, there's been so much dead time. If they want to drag it out for 3 days it needs to be at least BO5 throughout.

1hr wait, 20min BO3, 1 hr wait, 20min BO3 repeat is a joke. If they actually had something to fill the time it would be better but watching the same intro videos before every game and playing the BW soundtrack while watching a half empty hall is not fun.

Even if it wasn't at a ridiculous time I don't think I'd watch the final day live, I'd rather have the VODs so I can skip to when there's actually starcraft being played.

MCs going to dominate the final, Puma looked pretty beatable against people who aren't on MCs level. MC is on another level to basically everyone in this tournament.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 15:58:02
July 10 2011 15:56 GMT
#263
On July 11 2011 00:53 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:47 ellirc wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:45 coddan wrote:
Nine hour broadcast to show two matches. This has to be some sort of record.

It's a weekend. There is absolutely no reason to fuck over every single european by starting the finals at 2 am. I wonder how they decided this was a good idea.

I will actually miss the matches because of this. As much as want to watch MC being boss, I have to consider my job and that means going to sleep before 2 am.


+ Show Spoiler +
It is the NORTH AMERICAN star league. Their goal isn't to cater to everyone in the world. They are picking the times that work best for NA viewers, and NA spectators at the event. Sorry, people don't want to show up at Noon to watch the finals just so some dick TL poster in Europe can get his sleep.

They are trying to make it an event for the people in attendance. Several in attendance have said there are all sorts of things going on to pass the time. I believe they are doing this so that in the future they can continue to build it up so that more people will want to ATTEND in person where they can make some good money selling tickets to the EVENT.

You know when the game times are, they are posted! you don't have to sit around and watch for 8 hours, just tune in when the game times start. All of them started on time yesterday and I'm sure they will today as well. So go do other things during the downtime quit staring at the stream. That is better than say MLG which will all the sudden take a random hour break and then next thing you know you've missed a game.

I'm so sick of the Euro bitching about this event, specifically the time of the games. I've had to watch the GSL at 4AM constantly, and try to figure out how to watch European events at all sorts of hours as well. And I thought Americans were suppose to be the self centered ones, I appreciate you guys reminding me that it isn't Americans that is the problem, it is just people in general across the world that are the problem.


Yea it's quite obvious this event isn't designed for people watching but people at the event. A little sad they can't do both.

ps: I don't understand the whole NA thing with the name. Why do people always bring that up in defence or something?
ZenViper
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)115 Posts
July 10 2011 15:57 GMT
#264
They need to have regional leagues and a few global, if every tournament is open to Koreans it will kill SC2 E-sports in the future.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 10 2011 15:57 GMT
#265
On July 11 2011 00:55 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:51 Steveling wrote:
If MC takes it,we could start considering if this is an era of dominance for him.

Not the highest level of competition so talk of a new era of dominance should be put on hold til he does something about his recent gsl short comings.

No sweat he's gonna win NASL and Code S, and use his hukprism to carry his money.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
July 10 2011 15:57 GMT
#266
Oh man, today is going to be a great day!
I really hope Sen can take it to the Top 3, and i am also rooting for Puma to be able to rise to the top and take this win!
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
July 10 2011 15:58 GMT
#267
lol, got trolled horribly by the tl calendar, thought the final might actually be done by 1am, not actually starting the coverage of it then (and hence the matches probably not starting for at least another 20 minutes), do they really need two hours then a one hour break for a bo5 ZvZ? really?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Imres
Profile Joined March 2011
515 Posts
July 10 2011 15:58 GMT
#268
On July 11 2011 00:57 ZenViper wrote:
They need to have regional leagues and a few global, if every tournament is open to Koreans it will kill SC2 E-sports in the future.


Sen and Darkforce are able to compete with the Koreans, but not the others, maybe it's just a question of work ethic... later it'll needed but now some foreigners can catch up.
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
July 10 2011 15:59 GMT
#269
On July 11 2011 00:56 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:53 FLuE wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:47 ellirc wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:45 coddan wrote:
Nine hour broadcast to show two matches. This has to be some sort of record.

It's a weekend. There is absolutely no reason to fuck over every single european by starting the finals at 2 am. I wonder how they decided this was a good idea.

I will actually miss the matches because of this. As much as want to watch MC being boss, I have to consider my job and that means going to sleep before 2 am.


+ Show Spoiler +
It is the NORTH AMERICAN star league. Their goal isn't to cater to everyone in the world. They are picking the times that work best for NA viewers, and NA spectators at the event. Sorry, people don't want to show up at Noon to watch the finals just so some dick TL poster in Europe can get his sleep.

They are trying to make it an event for the people in attendance. Several in attendance have said there are all sorts of things going on to pass the time. I believe they are doing this so that in the future they can continue to build it up so that more people will want to ATTEND in person where they can make some good money selling tickets to the EVENT.

You know when the game times are, they are posted! you don't have to sit around and watch for 8 hours, just tune in when the game times start. All of them started on time yesterday and I'm sure they will today as well. So go do other things during the downtime quit staring at the stream. That is better than say MLG which will all the sudden take a random hour break and then next thing you know you've missed a game.

I'm so sick of the Euro bitching about this event, specifically the time of the games. I've had to watch the GSL at 4AM constantly, and try to figure out how to watch European events at all sorts of hours as well. And I thought Americans were suppose to be the self centered ones, I appreciate you guys reminding me that it isn't Americans that is the problem, it is just people in general across the world that are the problem.


Yea it's quite obvious this event isn't designed for people watching but people at the event. A little sad they can't do both.


It is just the direction they decided to go, if they catered more to the stream the people in attendance would have been like "damn that was lame I came all this way for 2 hours of SC on Saturday?"

It baffles me that people are making statements like they have to tune in at the start of the event and sit through the first 2-3 hours. The game times are POSTED. Just go do other things and tune in when the games are slated to start according to the times in the OP. EVERY game yesterday started according to the time posted in the OP. People acted like they were tied to their computer chair and forced to sit there waiting for the next games. Go do something else and come back, that is what I did.
Dayrlan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States248 Posts
July 10 2011 16:00 GMT
#270
On July 11 2011 00:54 Imres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:52 andrea20 wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:48 KeksX wrote:
The times are soo bad for EU, they would've a lot more viewers if they just began a bit earlier and wouldn't have such long breaks between the games.
And they won't even setup a rebroadcast. Very nice.


There will always be complaining. If it began earlier, then you'd have people from Korea complaining that it's in the middle of the night, instead of in the morning. And there will be plenty of Koreans watching due to the players involved.

Now you know how North America feels when they watch GSL at 5AM =P


GSL audience target is Korean. NASL is both american and european, do you see the difference? And the korean audience for NASL will not be big...


GSL, named Global Starcraft2 League, who hosted a "World All Star" team to come and compete not too long ago, who streams every single event in English, and just began the Player Exchange Program with MLG. That GSL? Their only target audience is Koreans?

And why should Europeans get more preference from NASL than any Koreans, Chinese, or especially Taiwanese (Sen is in the tournament after all) who tune in?

I don't mean to start a fight, but you seem very belligerent in arguing that your needs should be tended to over others who, to me, seem equally important.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#271
On July 11 2011 00:53 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:47 ellirc wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:45 coddan wrote:
Nine hour broadcast to show two matches. This has to be some sort of record.

It's a weekend. There is absolutely no reason to fuck over every single european by starting the finals at 2 am. I wonder how they decided this was a good idea.

I will actually miss the matches because of this. As much as want to watch MC being boss, I have to consider my job and that means going to sleep before 2 am.


It is the NORTH AMERICAN star league. Their goal isn't to cater to everyone in the world. They are picking the times that work best for NA viewers, and NA spectators at the event. Sorry, people don't want to show up at Noon to watch the finals just so some dick TL poster in Europe can get his sleep.

They are trying to make it an event for the people in attendance. Several in attendance have said there are all sorts of things going on to pass the time. I believe they are doing this so that in the future they can continue to build it up so that more people will want to ATTEND in person where they can make some good money selling tickets to the EVENT.

You know when the game times are, they are posted! you don't have to sit around and watch for 8 hours, just tune in when the game times start. All of them started on time yesterday and I'm sure they will today as well. So go do other things during the downtime quit staring at the stream. That is better than say MLG which will all the sudden take a random hour break and then next thing you know you've missed a game.

I'm so sick of the Euro bitching about this event, specifically the time of the games. I've had to watch the GSL at 4AM constantly, and try to figure out how to watch European events at all sorts of hours as well. And I thought Americans were suppose to be the self centered ones, I appreciate you guys reminding me that it isn't Americans that is the problem, it is just people in general across the world that are the problem.

Perhaps instead of just catering the people who are going there, they should think about us subscribers as well. I'm not saying they should air this during EU prime time, but 9 hour for 2 games is pathetic really. There might show up a couple of extra persons next time, but all in all, I'm guessing with the amount of subscribers they will lose, they would've been better off thinking about stream-watchers as well.

MLG and Dreamhack caters excellent to both audience and stream, why can't NASL try to do the same?
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#272
I hope Puma wins because I hate invite tournaments =)

Imo:
Sen 4-2 July
MC 4-2 Puma
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#273
I didnt pay for the last 2 GSL tournaments but this made realise how badass GSL is and am def'ly going to pay for the next GSL even though I dont have that much time to watch all games.
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 16:03:53
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#274
On July 11 2011 00:59 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:56 Numy wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:53 FLuE wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:47 ellirc wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:45 coddan wrote:
Nine hour broadcast to show two matches. This has to be some sort of record.

It's a weekend. There is absolutely no reason to fuck over every single european by starting the finals at 2 am. I wonder how they decided this was a good idea.

I will actually miss the matches because of this. As much as want to watch MC being boss, I have to consider my job and that means going to sleep before 2 am.


+ Show Spoiler +
It is the NORTH AMERICAN star league. Their goal isn't to cater to everyone in the world. They are picking the times that work best for NA viewers, and NA spectators at the event. Sorry, people don't want to show up at Noon to watch the finals just so some dick TL poster in Europe can get his sleep.

They are trying to make it an event for the people in attendance. Several in attendance have said there are all sorts of things going on to pass the time. I believe they are doing this so that in the future they can continue to build it up so that more people will want to ATTEND in person where they can make some good money selling tickets to the EVENT.

You know when the game times are, they are posted! you don't have to sit around and watch for 8 hours, just tune in when the game times start. All of them started on time yesterday and I'm sure they will today as well. So go do other things during the downtime quit staring at the stream. That is better than say MLG which will all the sudden take a random hour break and then next thing you know you've missed a game.

I'm so sick of the Euro bitching about this event, specifically the time of the games. I've had to watch the GSL at 4AM constantly, and try to figure out how to watch European events at all sorts of hours as well. And I thought Americans were suppose to be the self centered ones, I appreciate you guys reminding me that it isn't Americans that is the problem, it is just people in general across the world that are the problem.


Yea it's quite obvious this event isn't designed for people watching but people at the event. A little sad they can't do both.


It is just the direction they decided to go, if they catered more to the stream the people in attendance would have been like "damn that was lame I came all this way for 2 hours of SC on Saturday?"

It baffles me that people are making statements like they have to tune in at the start of the event and sit through the first 2-3 hours. The game times are POSTED. Just go do other things and tune in when the games are slated to start according to the times in the OP. EVERY game yesterday started according to the time posted in the OP. People acted like they were tied to their computer chair and forced to sit there waiting for the next games. Go do something else and come back, that is what I did.


Well they could have just had a double elim bracket and it would have catered for both. The simplest solution I can think of. Also you have to understand. It's hard to go do something else at 2am while you battling to stay awake due to nothing going on for some unknown reason. I know NA guys stay up for GSL and that's quite amazing but you have to understand the difference is the GSL doesn't just add in fluff for seemingly no reason. Sure they do the kpop thing but that's just an added one time spectacle
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#275
On July 11 2011 00:57 ZenViper wrote:
They need to have regional leagues and a few global, if every tournament is open to Koreans it will kill SC2 E-sports in the future.


stfu CatZ

j/k love all programmers
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#276
On July 11 2011 00:54 Imres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:52 andrea20 wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:48 KeksX wrote:
The times are soo bad for EU, they would've a lot more viewers if they just began a bit earlier and wouldn't have such long breaks between the games.
And they won't even setup a rebroadcast. Very nice.


There will always be complaining. If it began earlier, then you'd have people from Korea complaining that it's in the middle of the night, instead of in the morning. And there will be plenty of Koreans watching due to the players involved.

Now you know how North America feels when they watch GSL at 5AM =P


GSL audience target is Korean. NASL is both american and european, do you see the difference? And the korean audience for NASL will not be big...

NASL has two Koreans playing in the finals competing for a prize that's bigger than that of the GSL finals.

You don't think Korean Starcraft II fans might want to watch this?


Milkis translated some of the korean netizen reactions over the weekend.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
July 10 2011 16:01 GMT
#277
On July 11 2011 00:57 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:55 NotSorry wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:51 Steveling wrote:
If MC takes it,we could start considering if this is an era of dominance for him.

Not the highest level of competition so talk of a new era of dominance should be put on hold til he does something about his recent gsl short comings.

No sweat he's gonna win NASL and Code S, and use his hukprism to carry his money.


If he gets passed Huk he'll be in good position to win it all, but you have to wonder how much time he'll have to practice for that match when he's over here playing the NASL while Huk is at home training his ass off.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
July 10 2011 16:02 GMT
#278
i think sen with 3-1 july maybe 3-0

i think MC will win, but im certain the loser will get at least 2 wins. So its gonna be either 4-3 or 4-2 but i think it could go either way.

sucks that i gotta wait up till 1am to see it start though. and thats if it even starts on time
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
July 10 2011 16:02 GMT
#279
i soo hope PuMa will kick MC in the nuts.
whenever a fomer bw player enters sc2, i'm rooting ofr him^^
and that guy played quite abit of bw games, unlike MC or MVP or NesTea^^
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 10 2011 16:03 GMT
#280
On July 11 2011 01:01 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 00:57 Olinim wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:55 NotSorry wrote:
On July 11 2011 00:51 Steveling wrote:
If MC takes it,we could start considering if this is an era of dominance for him.

Not the highest level of competition so talk of a new era of dominance should be put on hold til he does something about his recent gsl short comings.

No sweat he's gonna win NASL and Code S, and use his hukprism to carry his money.


If he gets passed Huk he'll be in good position to win it all, but you have to wonder how much time he'll have to practice for that match when he's over here playing the NASL while Huk is at home training his ass off.

Hope not, I love huk but I think MC is one of the only ones left who has a good chance vs nestea.
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