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On July 10 2011 13:31 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:21 Legend` wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:16 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases. And you are a fanboy if you say MC should've won it because he is the best Tosser. He was behind tremendously and got a freewin because Sen didn't care about his armycomp. It was his game to lose and he did. Game 4 - Sen gave that game away. Game 5 - MC outplayed Sen. Agreed! I am just disaappointed about game 4 since Sen was so far ahead and threw it away. Which is something that I see a lot of with all my Zerg heroes. This has nothing to do with balance but with MC beeing mentally stronger than his opponent. He is one of the best if not the best player right now. It's just frustrating to see for someone who is immune to MC's "smugness" >.<
he didnt throw away there were 7-9 voidrays show up from nowhere
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Puma.. gratz! MC is too ez for him
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On July 10 2011 13:17 BryanSC wrote:
Consistency, linguistics, and how people view the term "korean" will dominate the next 50 pages of this thread.
Yes. It's sad, really :/
Was hoping more people would notice what actually happened on stage. MC showing how well mannered he really is! Not to mention the epic games these two put on for us 
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On July 10 2011 13:31 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:24 openbox1 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:17 Callosum wrote:On July 10 2011 13:16 ZergBonjwa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. yea and about 2000 modern kanji GL. Heh, Kanji aren't so bad if you keep gan-ba-re'ing. When you look at the three major East-Asian languages: Korean, Japanese, and Chinese, Korean is actually the easiest to pick-up. Japanese is based on a three-alphabet system (their kids have to go through an extra year at the kindergarten/elementary level to pick up the basics). In order to even go through basic sentence construction in Chinese, you have to memorize at least a few hundred ideograms because there isn't a phonetic alphabet system. Modern Korean is actually a relatively new language (introduced circa 15th century) and was developed with ease of learning in mind. The korean alphabet/spelling structure is considered to the be (one of the) most sophisticatedly- designed in the world in how simple yet elegant it is. It was a written language designed singlehandedly by an enlightened emperor to make the language accessible to the lower classes as the original borrowed written language (chinese) was far too complex. It's an interesting thing to read up on because the written language itself is heavily studied by many scholars. actualy using the language? I don't know. It's not as hard as chinese, but i've heard it is still hard, especially for non-asians.
This is definitely true. I remember Doa during one of the Code-A casts talking about how he had picked up reading hangul in an afternoon. I was extremely skeptical, but once I sat down and tried it was actually quite easy. Hangul is totally awesome. It looks much more daunting than it is, but really can be picked up in a manner of hours. That is just reading the language though. Using it is a different story.
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lol couldnt resist making another one :D
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On July 10 2011 13:25 AxionSteel wrote:10 Protoss Canada HuK Liquid $30,799.00 20 Zerg USA IdrA EG $20,801.00 At the end of the day, HuK laughs all the way to the bank
HuK: "Yo Idra whats better then money?"
Idra: "what..."
HuK: "MO MONEY" :D
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On July 10 2011 13:31 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu Did I say it was easy? If you think learning any foreign language you have zero exposure to is easy, then by all means go pick up German, Italian, Latin, whatever and see how 'easy' it is. I said all languages are tough and take time. People mean that those languages are hard relative to Westerners. Languages like Portugese, Italian, French, Spanish, etc have many similar words or root words that make them easier to pick up on for English speakers. They also have much more similar grammar structure, which is a huge factor. For people from Asia, it would be much easier to learn other Asian languages than Romance languages or Germanic langauges because of the exact same reasons as above. Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. Uh, you can only "know" that Japanese is not very hard to learn if you have already learned it yourself. And even then, that would only be relative to you. Also, the difficulty in Japanese isnt on the syllables. The grammar structure is what makes it more difficult imo (Ive taken 4 years worth of college level Japanese and have been to Japan several times). If you want to say, "I thought he was going to the bathroom" in Japanese, the structure would be "He was bathroom going to I thought." Sure even this seems just like a "memory game" in the classroom, but once you go to Japan and you gotta think on your feet while people are speaking to you, treating it like a memory game rather than understanding the grammatical structure is going to make you take like 30 seconds to respond in even relatively simple conversation.
Believe it or not, most language in the world use Subject-Object-Verb rather than Subject-Verb-Object. It's pretty simple once you get the hang of it. The hardest part are the multiple pronounciation of each kanji when they are combined with each other.
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On July 10 2011 13:31 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu Did I say it was easy? If you think learning any foreign language you have zero exposure to is easy, then by all means go pick up German, Italian, Latin, whatever and see how 'easy' it is. I said all languages are tough and take time. People mean that those languages are hard relative to Westerners. Languages like Portugese, Italian, French, Spanish, etc have many similar words or root words that make them easier to pick up on for English speakers. They also have much more similar grammar structure, which is a huge factor. For people from Asia, it would be much easier to learn other Asian languages than Romance languages or Germanic langauges because of the exact same reasons as above. Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:12 Medrea wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 deadjawa wrote:On July 10 2011 13:08 Ocedic wrote:On July 10 2011 13:06 Euronyme wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Moonwrath wrote:On July 10 2011 13:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Medrea wrote:
I understood every word MC said and every point he was trying to get across.
I can't even say that for a LOT of inner city Americans. His english is really improving. I like that he is making the effort to do it on his own, just like how Jinro learned Korean. I guess Huk said he is trying to learn Korean too, but he's not very good at it or something It's an incredibly difficult language for native English speakers. It's SO different. Wouldn't it be just as hard for Swedish people? Asian languages are not as hard as people make them out to be. The truth is that ALL languages are hard to learn. Asian languages might be slightly different, but like all other languages it's a matter of practice and application. Category III: Languages which are quite difficult for native English speakers88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)Arabic Cantonese Japanese KoreanMandarin Mongolian Taiwanese (Hokkien Min Nan) Wu You know Ive seen this elsewhere but I know Japanese is not very hard to learn. The entire language rests on what? 43 syllables was it? English alphabet alone is 26. Im told once all 43 syllables are learned its just a memory game. Writing it though? Forget it, Asian literacy for there own languages is terrible so I have no chance on earth. Uh, you can only "know" that Japanese is not very hard to learn if you have already learned it yourself. And even then, that would only be relative to you. Also, the difficulty in Japanese isnt on the syllables. The grammar structure is what makes it more difficult imo (Ive taken 4 years worth of college level Japanese and have been to Japan several times). If you want to say, "I thought he was going to the bathroom" in Japanese, the structure would be "He was bathroom going to I thought." Sure even this seems just like a "memory game" in the classroom, but once you go to Japan and you gotta think on your feet while people are speaking to you, treating it like a memory game rather than understanding the grammatical structure is going to make you take like 30 seconds to respond in even relatively simple conversation.
Oh I was just going off of what friends who ahve had to learn the language have said. They have also said that even if you fuck up the grammar majorly they will probably not have a hard time understanding you.
And like most of us english speakers they are pretty quick to applaud the attempt no matter what, no need to be perfect.
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On July 10 2011 13:33 namedplayer wrote:
Puma.. gratz! MC is too ez for him
lolercopters
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On July 10 2011 13:30 BryanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:28 flowSthead wrote:
I don't understand at all why anyone is having a discussion about best foreigners. The entire idea of a best player in SC2 right now is ridiculous. There are a lot of amazing players at the top, both from the Korean scene and from the foreigners. And due to the current, volatile nature of SC2, no one player can be said to just easily roll over everyone the way it happens in SC1. There is no best foreigner. There is just "one of the best" foreigners. I see no problem saying Sen is one of the best foreigners, along with players like Huk and Naniwa. You make way too much sense for this thread. Why are you posting here?
Lol, I don't know. Where else would I post that? And I was just watching the finals, so I was here anyway. I think my problem is I always assume people will be rational online, when I never do the same in person. What is wrong with me?
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Well. That was exciting. I can't wait for tomorrow.. why can't they just play the finals today?? Raararrrrgh!
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On July 10 2011 13:33 Cryhavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:31 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:21 Legend` wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:16 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases. And you are a fanboy if you say MC should've won it because he is the best Tosser. He was behind tremendously and got a freewin because Sen didn't care about his armycomp. It was his game to lose and he did. Game 4 - Sen gave that game away. Game 5 - MC outplayed Sen. Agreed! I am just disaappointed about game 4 since Sen was so far ahead and threw it away. Which is something that I see a lot of with all my Zerg heroes. This has nothing to do with balance but with MC beeing mentally stronger than his opponent. He is one of the best if not the best player right now. It's just frustrating to see for someone who is immune to MC's "smugness" >.< he didnt throw away there were 7-9 voidrays show up from nowhere
Building more than 5 Broodlords off 5 bases vs 3 without sufficient anti air OR enough infestors to hold pure blinkstalker is what I consider "throwing it away".
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On July 10 2011 13:33 Cryhavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:31 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:21 Legend` wrote:On July 10 2011 13:19 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:16 Dommk wrote:On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. God, you are arrogant. He is the _best_ Protoss int he world right now. It is ridiculous that you are stipulating that Zerg should just get an auto win because they manage to get 5bases. And you are a fanboy if you say MC should've won it because he is the best Tosser. He was behind tremendously and got a freewin because Sen didn't care about his armycomp. It was his game to lose and he did. Game 4 - Sen gave that game away. Game 5 - MC outplayed Sen. Agreed! I am just disaappointed about game 4 since Sen was so far ahead and threw it away. Which is something that I see a lot of with all my Zerg heroes. This has nothing to do with balance but with MC beeing mentally stronger than his opponent. He is one of the best if not the best player right now. It's just frustrating to see for someone who is immune to MC's "smugness" >.< he didnt throw away there were 7-9 voidrays show up from nowhere
Units tend to not come out of nowhere in SC2.
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On July 10 2011 13:36 DuB phool wrote:
Well. That was exciting. I can't wait for tomorrow.. why can't they just play the finals today?? Raararrrrgh!
Hopefully NASL doesn't suffer for GSL-final syndrome, and we actually get good games to close out the season.
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On July 10 2011 13:35 Atasu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:25 AxionSteel wrote:10 Protoss Canada HuK Liquid $30,799.00 20 Zerg USA IdrA EG $20,801.00 At the end of the day, HuK laughs all the way to the bank HuK: "Yo Idra whats better then money?" Idra: "what..." HuK: "MO MONEY" :D
wow if canada has won more money then USA then that's pretty jokes considering our populations
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On July 10 2011 13:34 dangerjoe wrote:lol couldnt resist making another one :D
That picture will haunt us all :D
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On July 10 2011 13:27 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:17 Serpico wrote:On July 10 2011 13:16 InvalidID wrote:On July 10 2011 13:14 stork4ever wrote:
Not at all now, HuK just won two very big events. But before that all he had to his name was MLG.
And what to thier names do the other people have??? I'm sorry I'm love Idra and Sen but Huk just won tournaments that featured the very best players in the foreign and arguably the world. He is training with the top players in the world. More importantly due to his skill, he no longer has to carry MC's bags. Lol "all he had to his name was MLG", what about the big fat "Code S". Until another foreigner can prove that they can compete on the GSL Code S level, then Huk will remain, in my eyes at least, the top foreign player. Jinro was for awhile, but he has since sadly fallen off. If just being good enough for code S means you're the best foreigner...I think you simply overestimate code S by leap and bounds or think huk is superman. I wouldn't take him in a bo7 against sen/dimaga/naniwa/thorzain. I would say huk/sen/naniwa/thorzain are about the same but definitely not dimaga
With Huk's recent success, I think he may actually be the top foreigner protoss, he is at the peak of his performance at the moment since.. forever.
Sen, has ALWAYS been dominating, and it's clear that once in awhile his judgement is flawed (getting mass broods), but something like that can be fixed with a few more high-tiered tournaments.
Naniwa is probably going to be the strongest non-asian player in the world especially after his visit to Korea. He has tremendous potential and he is a diamond in the rough.
Thorzain I think, his performance is under Naniwa, but I think he's also someone who can be tempered into a deadly force.
Huk is probably the best non-Korean(ethnicity) toss right now. Naniwa is probably going to be the best non-Korea(-trained) toss... Sen is without a doubt the best non-Korean (trained & ethnicity) Zerg.. Idra is probably the best non-asian zerg. There.
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On July 10 2011 13:13 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:10 flowSthead wrote:On July 10 2011 13:04 Turbo.Tactics wrote:On July 10 2011 13:01 Condor Hero wrote:On July 10 2011 13:00 Turbo.Tactics wrote:
Can't believe I actually rely on a Terran whiping MC's butt... sad day for Zerg -.- dude if anyone can take out mc there its a korean terran. korean terrans are just scary as shit in general. Yeah sure but the fact that I have to trust on Koriterrans because Zergs aren't able to handle it is a disgrace... So Losira at MLG doesn't count for anything? Or the fact that MC is actually really good and the majority of the 16 spots were Zergs? Makes it even worst tbh. The Zergs that know lategame compositions get cheesed early, the ones that know macro style multiple harrass midgame antics get to lategame and throw it away. It's just frustrating to watch and read about how great MC plays... I am not saying he is getting free wins...all I'm saying is he shouldn't win 3 v 5 base against any Zerg that knows how to play lategame Zerg. User was warned for this post \
why was he warned for this post. It's his opinion. I disagree with him, but that 's okay.
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On July 10 2011 13:37 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:35 Atasu wrote:On July 10 2011 13:25 AxionSteel wrote:10 Protoss Canada HuK Liquid $30,799.00 20 Zerg USA IdrA EG $20,801.00 At the end of the day, HuK laughs all the way to the bank HuK: "Yo Idra whats better then money?" Idra: "what..." HuK: "MO MONEY" :D wow if canada has won more money then USA then that's pretty jokes considering our populations
The USA has always been a joke when it comes to competitive gaming. Most kids here play shitty console shooters or facebook flash games.
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On July 10 2011 13:31 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 13:11 Utinni wrote:On July 10 2011 13:10 Crisco wrote:On July 10 2011 13:07 Utinni wrote:
Why do people say Huk is Korean. He is a foreigner who trains with Koreans... What is not to understand. If you are in the same environment you will adapt. He trains as hard as they do... that is why he can compete. foreigners are people who train outside of korea. and "Koreans" are people who train in Korea. Therefore, select is a "foreigner" and Huk is a "korean" Wrong. Dude, don't you get it. All foreigners suck. They suck because they don't practice as much as Koreans. They need to practice more for the foreigners to get as good as the Koreans. But if one practices as much as a Korean, he doesn't become good, he morphs into a Korean. Don't you get it bro? lol yeah it's a joke, but that's the logic.
When you train 10 hours a day... with people who know the game... you are going to get better.
The more people training.... the more knowledge will be spread... the skill level increases overall...
You will start competing a higher level with the more knowledge of the game you receive...
Networking with people who are as competitive as you will only increase your knowledge.
I get what you mean when you say he is a "korean" I just am saying I find the term silly. I prefer foreigner training in korea... because that's what he is in my eyes.
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