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meep
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1699 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10841
On July 10 2011 11:14 intense33 wrote:
WHEN it starts please?


In 45 minutes, read the OP. Jesus.
閑静 しずか (ノ・_・)ノ
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10842
On July 10 2011 11:14 meep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:13 RHMVNovus wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:13 Olinim wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:11 oskarla wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:09 MechKing wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 Dommk wrote:

On July 10 2011 11:06 Alkior wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 Daralii wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:01 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Funny how this "terran president" is in code B, gimme a fucking break.

Plenty of incredible players in Code B, dude. Sage, BoxeR, MMA, DRG, etc.


MMA is code B?!? wow, I really need to keep up.


Who the hell is sage?


As of now, looks to be the second best Protoss in Korea. Even MC was impressed by his play during the GSTL

Second best protoss in korea? Are you serious?

He's sick man. Could might as well be THE best korean protoss imo, although he's pvp seems a little bit shaky.

ROFL Come on seriously, hes won no individual leagues. It's like your a robot and your primary function is false hype.


DongRaeGu sucks.


No.


Read what I was replying to and the implications of it.

His argument relies upon me being correct which, quite clearly, I'm not.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10843

On July 10 2011 11:09 Bobble wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.


Considering that MCs PvZ is his weakest matchup, I agree. But come on, it's Kratos himself.


You got that totally wrong. PvZ is his strongest match-up; much more so than even PvP where MC feels also agrees that it's a bit lucky at times.

If Sen plays standard, he really will get 3-0'd. Watch MC make people cry about imba after the match is over.
Someone call down the Thunder?
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10844
On July 10 2011 11:11 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:08 FLuE wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:00 Zanno wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:57 FLuE wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:53 Callosum wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:51 don_kyuhote wrote:
So this so called "16th seed" made it to the final.
I feel sorry for Ret.


Yea, not Puma's fault at all, he's playing awesome, but the league championship should have been closed to league members only. Otherwise there's not much incentive to be in the league.


First off, Ret would have had to beat him, or a very good player at some point. With how Ret played there were probably only 4-5 players he was going to beat out of the 16 so if it wasn't out in the first round it would have been the 2nd.

Also, in the league you are competing for 15 possible spots. Not in the league you are trying to fight through a massive talented open bracket that is single elimination for 1 spot. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that you'd want to be in the league, not to mention the notoriety of having weekly matches broadcast which makes sponsors happy and helps grow your name and brand.

Bah, shouldn't have even responded to comments. Either you aren't thinking through anything, or I'm getting trolled. Either way wasn't worth the time.
it sets a bad precedent though

if puma wins then other pros will be like oh well i'm not going to waste my time playing in the league i'll just play in the open and if i can beat everyone in that, then i'll be unstoppable in the tournament

you have to understand there's a finite number of hours in the day, and NASL is a huge time-sink for no potential reward, time that could better be spent streaming or playing in smaller cups


Actually that is a horrible way to think of it and NO pro would think that way. The NASL isn't a time sink, it is 1 day a week and a BO3. You are WAY better off playing in the NASL, for a chance at 50k, plus publicity which will grow your streams, brands, lessons for players, etc. than winning a bunch of 100-500 dollar cups. Just being on the NASL and seen, getting interviewed, hyped each week, etc. that is all a big deal. I think if you asked all the NASL players if they benefited from being in the league, even the ones that didn't win much, they'd all say def. I bet if you asked them, "Hey you can play in the league again, OR try to win a single elimination open bracket full of Koreans and other top gamers, which would you like to do?"

Seriously, read through what you actually wrote, It doesn't set a bad precedent at all. If anything it might have players who think they are better than Puma try to get into the league, so they would have an easier shot at securing 1 of those 15 spots and win the whole thing.

And just because you win the open doesn't mean you'll be unstoppable at an event that has some of the best talent in the world. He just happens to be playing really well.


it is a huge time sink for the top players like mc and naniwa. those people get invited to all the best tournies anyways and they have to wake up at odd times and play with latency (a huge disadvantage that becomes apparent when even class A koreans dominate lans)

Id say nasl is great for not so well known players because they get to expose themselves but itd be foolish to not see how it could be annoyingly long for some people.


It's a few hours ONE day a week for players that spend a ridiculous amount of time practicing the game anyway. The total time invested in the league for the benefits ... people just think of it to black and white. Gaining fans, popularity, etc. it all adds to your personal value. It is well worth a few hours one day a week. That isn't a time sink, learn what a time sink is. Go talk to MMO players, they know all about time sinks.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10845
On July 10 2011 11:14 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:12 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:11 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:09 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:08 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

I do and sort of hope he does althought darkforce winning it would be epic on a whole different level.


Why would it be? They're both foreign Zergs.


Sen and IdrA and MorroW are pretty much the only really known foreign zergs

Nerchio, Dimaga, Darkforce, etc are all good but have not stood out and are not talked about much right now

Darkforce would be an underdog win


Ah, I suppose that would indeed add to the epicness. Though I'm pretty sure Dimaga is on a whole different level of fame than Nerchio and Darkforce.


Indeed, Dimaga has more fame then sen and morrow.. his aggresive builds in the beta and early sc2 and also his achievements in bw give him that fame.

I think if Dimaga was to go and join a korean team, and change his aggresive style to similar to moon or julyzerg he could be winning so much right now..


Whose on Dimaga's team now anyways (it still is mtw right?)?
Pyskee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States620 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10846
On July 10 2011 11:12 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:11 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:09 oskarla wrote:
Will the next game start in 50 minutes? It's already 4am here and if that's the case I'll probably go to bed now.


stay up buddy, you can sleep when you're dead haha :b

that's actually a myth, you cant sleep when dead because youre dead

But...ehhh...hmmmm....

Shit, he's right.
"If you really don't give a shit what brand you chew, chew Stride." - Liquid'Tyler. Gives shoutouts like a boss.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10847
On July 10 2011 11:11 starcraft2rush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:08 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 iamthedave wrote:
I think people bandwagon hop a bit too often. Puma's had a good run, that doesn't make him the best Terran in the world. MMA won MLG then got hammered in GSL. Puma may win NASL but he hasn't made much impact in GSL either.

MVP's lost a lot of his shine, but I still think at his best he's the current Terran President.


Got hammered? He made it to the ST Finals... that's pretty impressive. And then he proceeded to lose to a very strong Toss player in his worst matchup. Not really indicative of anything at all.


MMA got hyped up too soon. Sure he owned a bunch of foreigners at MLG but he got 4-0'd in the ST by Polt . in addition he let his team down in the recent GSTL. I can't remember what else but there have been a few others..in fact I have not witnessed MMA winning a match since MLG Columbus.


he beat ryung and MKP coming back from columbus in the super tournament
you live and you learn
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10848
On July 10 2011 11:14 BlindKill wrote:
im not sure if this is correct but MC's strongest MU is PvZ followed closely by PvP. MC 4-0 July in the GSL finals and his PvP has to be good if his training with Inca.


Well, apparently, I was wrong, but I can assure you, his PvT is very good. He was Terran Killer before he was Kratos.
hmc
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10849
On July 10 2011 11:13 RHMVNovus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:13 Olinim wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:11 oskarla wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:09 MechKing wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 Dommk wrote:

On July 10 2011 11:06 Alkior wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 Daralii wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:01 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Funny how this "terran president" is in code B, gimme a fucking break.

Plenty of incredible players in Code B, dude. Sage, BoxeR, MMA, DRG, etc.


MMA is code B?!? wow, I really need to keep up.


Who the hell is sage?


As of now, looks to be the second best Protoss in Korea. Even MC was impressed by his play during the GSTL

Second best protoss in korea? Are you serious?

He's sick man. Could might as well be THE best korean protoss imo, although he's pvp seems a little bit shaky.

ROFL Come on seriously, hes won no individual leagues. It's like your a robot and your primary function is false hype.


DongRaeGu sucks.

Nope.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10850
On July 10 2011 11:14 BlindKill wrote:
im not sure if this is correct but MC's strongest MU is PvZ followed closely by PvP. MC 4-0 July in the GSL finals and his PvP has to be good if his training with Inca.

naniwa and huk beat him in pvp tho, its impossible to call mc on his weakest matchup they shift so fast and he has such a high win rate in all of them.
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10851
Go Sen

Rooting for you man !
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10852
On July 10 2011 11:12 Bobble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:11 TooN wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:09 Bobble wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.


Considering that MCs PvZ is his weakest matchup, I agree. But come on, it's Kratos himself.


wait since when did PvZ become his weakest matchup?


since his PvP and PvT are just godly, it's the only one left.


Well considered as a whole, his PvP has been the best, and then his PvZ, and his PvT. His PvT used to be godly in season 3, or so i heard, although it got worse for a while. His PvP has gotten worse since the warpgate nerf, while his PvZ has consistently remained dominant, despite the current state of the game favoring Z over P (or maybe that's not the case I don't really know too much lol).
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10853
man, i love sen, but last time mc completely destroyed him ><

go sen!!!!!!!!!1
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-10 02:16:35
July 10 2011 02:15 GMT
#10854
MC lost in Dreamhack and then GSL to bomber, who probably has the second best TvP after Poltimus. I would say that with the way Puma is playing, he and MC will be about equal, provided MC makes it to the finals. I have to say, however, that MC is on another level in PvZ right now, and I think that it will takes the likes of a Nestea or Losira to beat him in the matchup. He's probably undisputably the best PvZer currently. He's completely innovated the matchup so many times, and from MLG Columbus and since, he's still kept the lead. I'm slightly favoring the bosstoss in this tournament, but I'm definitely not counting out Puma, the guy's on a huge roll, and was hecka good already.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#10855
that intro never gets old.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
KuKKi
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany73 Posts
July 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#10856
On July 10 2011 11:14 Sc2Null wrote:
I wonder who would win beween Nestea and MC. Nestea boasting the highest ZvP record and MC boasting highest PvZ record...hm...


sadly inca beat mc in ro4 last GSL,

and inca vs Nestea was just ridiculous.

I would bet Nestea 4-2 MC
kwondoo
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands100 Posts
July 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#10857
i just came out of the pub and what is this?
Zeburial
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden1126 Posts
July 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#10858
Day9 blowing up my speakers! =DDDDDDDDD
Empires are not brought down by outside forces - they are destroyed by weaknesses from within
Klosetmonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway208 Posts
July 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#10859
will the finals be tomorrow?
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else
quen
Profile Joined March 2011
201 Posts
July 10 2011 02:16 GMT
#10860
On July 10 2011 11:11 KimJongChill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:09 oskarla wrote:
Will the next game start in 50 minutes? It's already 4am here and if that's the case I'll probably go to bed now.


you can sleep when you're dead haha :b


Also, pain don't hurt!


Re: the actual NASL itself, the wait between matches is mind breaking, I'd almost watch Swayze's epic film right about now, out of boredom.
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