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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.

Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3441
Huk to the finals so damn impressive, haters gunna hate, but hes playing great and taking out some good players. The finals are going to be his toughest match yet by far though. HuK Fighting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3442
On June 20 2011 21:09 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:07 eggs wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:07 Femari wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:05 Sneakyz wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:04 Femari wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:03 zestzorb wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that HuK is not Korean.

He represented Team USA against Team Korea back in GSL world championship.

You mean Team World.

Clearly you didn't watch the tournament

No but I also see that no foreigner in that tournament was actually American.


Coach Artosis

Liquipedia doesn't show coaches


It wasn't that, it was when they were interviewing the coaches of each team, Artosis called his team 'Team USA' when they had, what, a Canadian, an Australian, some Euros and (I'm gonna get this wrong), a Taiwanese.

Then it just became a running joke.
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3443
OH MY GOD now he's playing Hell March? This Totalbiscuit guy... has totally changed my opinion.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3444
On June 20 2011 21:11 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:04 Bobble wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


look, if everyone is going to claim him, I'll throw my hat in the ring as well.


Yeah, let's make our Australia dream team, who else can we claim? Didn't ST_Ace once play in Australia? Makes him Australian.

Yeah!
FXO is a sea-based team and since Australia is OBVIOUSLY the major players in SEA, we can claim everyone in FXO.

Hell, FXO is probably teaching WeMadeFox our tactics so let's just grab their entire roster too.
lalala
qwaykee
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway266 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3445
people should focus more on being happy for Huk rather then discussing things like if he's korean or not. it's insignificant
anemoneya
Profile Joined October 2010
58 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3446
In Korea, people don't consider you korean if you don't look korean (meaning you must be born between korean parents). You can be white/black/other asian and have korean nationality but koreans will still treat you as foreiner even if you speak perfect korean, etc. Ethinicity/Race is the first thing people consider when they differentiate themselves from foreiner. (They would say Select is Korean even after Select obtains US citizenship in the future.)

Conclusion: There's no way koreans think Huk is Korean. It's just ridiculous. Those who claim Huk is Korean is just trolling here.
Kuhva
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:20:04
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3447
On June 20 2011 20:49 dcemuser wrote:
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On June 20 2011 20:47 CubEdIn wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:37 Mandalor wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:34 CubEdIn wrote:
Can someone please explain to me how is "Advancing forward" correct in English? Cuz it sounds pretty stupid from where I'm standing. Can you advance backwards or sideways?


I'd say you can advance sideways if you're advancing to a specific location or in this case advancing towards your opponent. Advancing backwards sounds weird but should be correct anyway.


ad·vance/ədˈvans/
Noun: A forward movement: "the rebels' advance on Madrid"; "the advance of civilization".
Verb: Move forward, typically in a purposeful way: "the troops advanced on the capital".

So yeah, "is Advancing" implies moving forward. Day9 is constantly saying he's moving forward forward, and it's annoying as heck.
Other than that, DreamHack rocks! :D


It's not just Day9 though, it is commonly used in English.

A lot of English phrases are redundant and useless, but so are a lot of things about the language.


That's the charm of English, we have many words for the same thing and words can mean many things. Disclaimer, despite being a native of the the Great Isles that make Britain, my written English is actually terrible. I blame our education system and the fact I am an engineer!

Anyway advance can mean to 'make progress' (as a verb'). If you lose a game you cannot progress any further, therefore you cannot advance any further in the tournament. Therefore, logically, every game Huk wins he advances forward.' It is also in a slow and purposeful way, i.e. on step at a time (or in this case, one game at a time). Just because you can't go another direction doesn't mean you can't just stop.

Another similar use that is common English is 'to advance ones knowledge' or to 'advance in age'

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advancing
Brotoss Fighting!!!!
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3448
If HuK beats Bomber to take DH, he's the best foreigner player.

Anyone disagree?
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:18:56
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3449
Whatever you may call Huk he is clearly a product of MC and the oGs house training. Korean or foreigner he's been trained by the best in Korea.

I think it's a decent enough proof that it's not a matter of nationality but it is very much a matter of training style. Huk without jet lag seems extremely solid, only one that I know could own him is MC tbh, due to playing in the same place.

If he keeps his (apparently new found) motivation I can see him doing great for the rest of this year, maybe one day surpassing his master :D.

It's not like it's anything new. I assume every player knew that eventually, to be good at this game, one had to stop playing and start working which for the time being the Koreans do best. When the Swedish house starts taking the idea of a pro house seriously we might see results from them also. Same with every other group/team out there, mucking around for 8h a day is not training, goals and focus is what it takes and some won't cut it because it is hard work and they don't want to work for 8-10h a day, they want to have fun playing for 8-10h a day.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 20 2011 12:13 GMT
#3450
On June 20 2011 21:12 TheRidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:09 Femari wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:07 eggs wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:07 Femari wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:05 Sneakyz wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:04 Femari wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:03 zestzorb wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that HuK is not Korean.

He represented Team USA against Team Korea back in GSL world championship.

You mean Team World.

Clearly you didn't watch the tournament

No but I also see that no foreigner in that tournament was actually American.


Coach Artosis

Liquipedia doesn't show coaches



They were ALL Americans!

+ Show Spoiler +
Artosis called it by accident Team America and that's why we joke about this :p

Ahhhhh

lol I'm extremely new to SC2 I've only been into it for like 3 weeks so I only get some things like top 3 control and dont worry thats halo.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#3451
Huk was just solid. But in the awesome solid way.
Always ready, no missmicro, no missmacro, just pure solid and good play. Always the good move at the right moment, good attack timings, good defense timings.
No more febrile like he was 2 GSL seasons ago, just a very good player <3
I'll say again that his play on stream was very good for a long time, but he always disappointed on TV. No anymore !
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
June 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#3452
On June 20 2011 21:10 Rarak wrote:
I think its great that Huk has done well here, as it is showing that it was a good idea for him to go to korea and stick it out.

Hopefully this will convince more top foreigners to try their hand in the GSL and GSTL.

Gogo nani, thorzain and sase! (and huk/jinro + fxo ofcourse!)



foreigners are too lazy, they prefer the easy money on online invitationals but try a qualify tournament.

huk proof hard work bring skill.
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
June 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#3453
On June 20 2011 21:13 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:11 bittman wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:04 Bobble wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


look, if everyone is going to claim him, I'll throw my hat in the ring as well.


Yeah, let's make our Australia dream team, who else can we claim? Didn't ST_Ace once play in Australia? Makes him Australian.

Yeah!
FXO is a sea-based team and since Australia is OBVIOUSLY the major players in SEA, we can claim everyone in FXO.

Hell, FXO is probably teaching WeMadeFox our tactics so let's just grab their entire roster too.


I know I claim everyone in FXO as playing for Australia. . That's why I like qxc now.
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
June 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#3454
On June 20 2011 21:11 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:04 Bobble wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


look, if everyone is going to claim him, I'll throw my hat in the ring as well.


Yeah, let's make our Australia dream team, who else can we claim? Didn't ST_Ace once play in Australia? Makes him Australian.


Anyone who is good at anything that has mentioned the word Australia in hearing distance of another person is Australian.

Known and irrefutable fact.
Love is more fun than hate.
Sacro
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway237 Posts
June 20 2011 12:14 GMT
#3455
Impressed by Huk reaching the finals. Hope bomber cruches moon though and that it will be a close finals.

A bit dissapointed by the fact that it's bo3 in the semis though, what will the finals be?
Zyphen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:15:46
June 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#3456
On June 20 2011 21:09 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:03 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:00 Jampackedeon wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:53 CaptainTwig wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:48 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.

Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.

I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.


Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.

People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"

Bullshit.

Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.


Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.


This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.



Well, that's actually bullshit as well.

If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more.

And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible.

None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less)


Because it's that easy. Goodbye family and friends, whole lifestyle, bills, commitments/dependents, culture, girlfriend if i have one, country i love... etc etc... I'm just gonna drop everything and move over to a country where i don't speak a word of the spoken language and try and compete for 1 tournament. It will for a long time probably cost me more money than i make but what the hell, there's a chance i might be better for it so it's worth the risk.


Well, Huk's investment just gave him a shot at winning Dreamhack so it's not just 1 tournament. There's nothing stopping people from taking the skills they acquire and competing in foreign tournaments. Think of it as a future investment in tournament winnings. Look at Idra. You think he would be doing as well as he does without the time and effort he put in while in Korea? He's basically been living off his training disparity for his entire SC2 career. He only needs 3 hours to maintain his edge over other foreigners. And now he just wants the easy money instead of continuing his quest to be the best.
adeptz
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia220 Posts
June 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#3457
Typical TL to bicker over insignificant issues instead of being happy that Huk's hard work has paid off so far.
Chickenlegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden451 Posts
June 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#3458
Basicly there were 3 koreans and a foreigner who trains in korea with the korean mentality and schedule in the finals.

The key is not the race but where they trained and the top 4 shows that quite clearly.
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
June 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#3459
Perhaps this will clear things up
I noticed people are talking in different context.

Poll: In terms of Nationality, Huk is a...

Foreigner (159)
 
90%

Korean (17)
 
10%

176 total votes

Your vote: In terms of Nationality, Huk is a...

(Vote): Foreigner
(Vote): Korean



Poll: In terms of Starcraft 2 and training, Huk is a...

Korean (138)
 
73%

Foreigner (51)
 
27%

189 total votes

Your vote: In terms of Starcraft 2 and training, Huk is a...

(Vote): Foreigner
(Vote): Korean


Leenock the Punisher
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 20 2011 12:15 GMT
#3460
On June 20 2011 21:13 Yaotzin wrote:
If HuK beats Bomber to take DH, he's the best foreigner player.

Anyone disagree?


Yes, one Bo5 doesn't make you the best XYZ
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