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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.

Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3361
Huk is from Aiur, where they breed professional gamers
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3362
On June 20 2011 21:01 WhurreOdu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


... actually we all have ancestors from Africa, SO ...

So Africa is actually the best breeder of ESPORTS talent. But didn't we establish earlier that Africa has lowest IQ and that IQ directly correlates with RTS talent?

A confusing topic indeed.
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3363
On June 20 2011 21:04 coko wrote:
Heard it here first, Huk is from Jupiter! Which has very high gravity (ducy?) :o


I thought it was THORzain?
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3364
On June 20 2011 21:00 Jampackedeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:53 CaptainTwig wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:48 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.

Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.

I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.


Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.

People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"

Bullshit.

Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.


Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.


This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.


Even then, training with Idra, Machine, Axslav, Incontrol and Strife Cro is not at all comparable to a house containing MC, Nada, Supernova, Inca, TOP, Zenio, Hyperdub, Ensnare, Cezanne, Huk and Jinro all being coached by theWind to ensure their practice is effective and copious.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3365
On June 20 2011 21:04 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:03 zestzorb wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that HuK is not Korean.

He represented Team USA against Team Korea back in GSL world championship.

You mean Team World.

Clearly you didn't watch the tournament
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3366
i think this is the 1st time that were not gonna see 1st,2nd,3rd place korean in international tournaments?
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:06:08
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3367
On June 20 2011 21:03 Tyree wrote:
I seriously hope the mods stomp on these people trolling and saying Huk is korean.

You have issues and a lack of understanding how the real world works, you are basically trolling and it is disruptive to this thread.


Well, in terms of Starcraft 2, HuK is korean.

Who cares about where he plopped out of his mothers vagina, it's about where and whom with you train.
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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3368
On June 20 2011 21:00 Imres wrote:
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On June 20 2011 21:00 jj33 wrote:
Its not just the training, its also talent. Not anyone can be as good as the really good progamers. Huk obviously had some talent from the beginning.

Guys like flash jaedong and bisu are once in a generation type of talent


and they're all 3 from the same generation...


Which is why its crazy and it prob wont happen again
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 20 2011 12:05 GMT
#3369
On June 20 2011 21:04 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:03 ManaO wrote:
People always make the same mistake, in sports before and in E-Sports now, which is to say "this guy - this team is superior overall"

There is no ABSOLUTE superiority, there is RELATIVE superiority. In one tournament one guy is better than the others and wins. The next tournament another guy is better at the time and wins. The next tournament someone else is better and wins.

Not because X player performed better than A in Y tournament, if on the next tournament X loses to A, X is still better overall - no, he was better than A previously, now A is better. That's all

And stop saying that a player won because the other player played bad, that's just a dumb reason imho (although there are exceptions). Usually if a player played bad is because the other player made him play bad


Nope July played like total crap.

Being forced to make Banelings by a Blink Stalker / Storm composition sounds like pretty crappy play to me.

ahh but he didn't know about the storms
mass blings mixed are almost always cost effective against non-aoe play
huk and mc seem to have mastered their timing on transitions pretty well
lalala
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3370
On June 20 2011 21:03 manloveman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:01 WhurreOdu wrote:
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


... actually we all have ancestors from Africa, SO ...


Maybe you darwin monkey boy. The rest of us are descendants of Adam/Eve.

Nice trolling though


ROFL, high level trolling right here
SC2, rip in pepperinos
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:07:20
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3371
On June 20 2011 20:59 Logo2010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:54 rpgalon wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Huk over july isn't the biggest upset in the world... now Huk over bomber would probably be the biggest upset I've seen in the past month especially in a bo5 regardless of how well Huk has been playing. I mean, bomber just took out MC. MC!!


MC made funfamental mistakes in mid/late in game 3, mistakes like not expanding, not upgrading armor, and he engaged before storm was ready, game 2 i don't even know what he was thinking when he let the expansion finish (and expanded early aggainst Bomber in XC).

I think Huk does have a chance, not like MC, but he is clearlly not out yet.

Eh no, he was under constant pressure at his natural, lost a ton of units and did extremely well to hold off Bombers attacks on 2 base. The 3rd was shut down by Bomber not because MC forgot to. And resources are tight when you are within an inch of losing, all resources go to units. And MC didn't engage before storm, Bomber forced the issue....

Bomber has a good chance against Huk.


It was almost game over when bomber started to pressure, the mistakes were allready beem made. He did a poor engagement, that put bomber ahead, then bomber just keep ahead till he won

but yeah bomber has a good chance against Huk
badog
coko
Profile Joined November 2002
United Kingdom570 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3372
On June 20 2011 21:05 zestzorb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:04 coko wrote:
Heard it here first, Huk is from Jupiter! Which has very high gravity (ducy?) :o


I thought it was THORzain?


Oh my god, the connections are growing. WE ARE NOT ALONE PEOPLE!
darlhet
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy548 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3373
huk isnt korean, he's a foreigner representing the korean's regiment therefore is not the "koreans" being superior is their regiment, stop it
"i feel like im wasting your time" qxc to whitera after getting crushed 0-4
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3374
On June 20 2011 21:02 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:58 hifriend wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:55 ForTheDr3am wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:51 hifriend wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:47 ondik wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:40 hifriend wrote:
That was some remarkably bad play by july, but spire vs blink is always a tough situation so..

At least I get to see bomber own him in the finals (seriously no chance for huk vs bomber)..


dude..you already said you dislike HuK for being arrogant (what's interesting to me as you apparently like MC), why more hatred?

It's annoying seeing him cruise through an easy group then bracket followed by july playing terribly. Superior protoss' like MC/Nani/White-Ra got tough opponents throughout the tournament and performed equally well without blindly going dt's half the time, yet now half the people in this thread are talking about huk as if he's suddenly the best protoss on the planet. Sigh.


From what can you conclude that Naniwa and White-Ra are better than Huk? I mean, they both went 0-2 vs Moon while Huk won 2-0 against him. Huk has dropped a single game in this tournament, what should he have done better?

I'm not saying it's his fault that he only got to face easy opponents and a few decent opponents playing like absolute shit. Moon and july basically gave their series to huk.

I'm saying MC/White-Ra/Nani are better players because they have many more accomplishments and aren't prone to effortlessly dice rolling for BO wins all the time.

just stop already. moon and july have been tearing through this tournament only to lose to huk 0-2. nani and white ra both lost to moon 0-2. you are clearly just a hater trying to cope with the fact that someone you dont like for some dumb reason is doing extremely well, better than players you like.

'dominating' predy/socke/fury/lalush/bischu etc or even july in that state isn't "doing extremely well".. but what ever.
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3375
On June 20 2011 21:05 DisaFear wrote:
Huk is from Aiur, where they breed professional gamers

QFT
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:07:25
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3376
Huk is really good though he plays on korean server everytime
Imres
Profile Joined March 2011
515 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3377
On June 20 2011 21:04 samaNo4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:56 ribboo wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:55 Nerdslayer wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:53 ribboo wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:52 Nerdslayer wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:49 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.

Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo aren't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.

I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.


Messi plays a Spanish style of football though, even Argentinians say that while Messi is an Argentine national he is a product of Spanish football.

Just like Huk is a Canandian but is a product of Korean Starcraft.


wtf are you talking about Messi is a product of the argentinians football school.

You have no idea wtf you talking about Brazil and Argentina got some of the best football schools in the world.

Jesus crist some of you people just plain silly

barca signed messi when he was 13.


So you got no idea how the argentina schools work. The best players from age 5-6 get recruited into those schools.

Messi was allrdy a wunderkid when he was 13 just like Maradona was when he was 10. just like Ronaldo was when he was 15 and moved to Amsterdam

Plz stop talking about football stick to sc2


yes, those 6 early years obviously has meant a lot more for him than the 11 he have had in spain.
lol.

Do you see the sprints nad rythm changes where he breaks the defence? It's a product from La Masia.



yep, seems that drugs are better in Spain than in other countries nowadays (joking aside, it's a real problem in spanish sport, with a bigger extend than most of the other countries)
Paradice
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand431 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3378
On June 20 2011 21:04 Bobble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


look, if everyone is going to claim him, I'll throw my hat in the ring as well.


Goddamn Australians always stealing our stuff. HuK's a kiwi, damnit!
Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3379
On June 20 2011 21:04 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:03 zestzorb wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that HuK is not Korean.

He represented Team USA against Team Korea back in GSL world championship.

You mean Team World.


No, he means team USA. You must of missed the running joke.
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:08:45
June 20 2011 12:06 GMT
#3380
On June 20 2011 21:01 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:58 hifriend wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:55 ForTheDr3am wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:51 hifriend wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:47 ondik wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:40 hifriend wrote:
That was some remarkably bad play by july, but spire vs blink is always a tough situation so..

At least I get to see bomber own him in the finals (seriously no chance for huk vs bomber)..


dude..you already said you dislike HuK for being arrogant (what's interesting to me as you apparently like MC), why more hatred?

It's annoying seeing him cruise through an easy group then bracket followed by july playing terribly. Superior protoss' like MC/Nani/White-Ra got tough opponents throughout the tournament and performed equally well without blindly going dt's half the time, yet now half the people in this thread are talking about huk as if he's suddenly the best protoss on the planet. Sigh.


From what can you conclude that Naniwa and White-Ra are better than Huk? I mean, they both went 0-2 vs Moon while Huk won 2-0 against him. Huk has dropped a single game in this tournament, what should he have done better?

I'm not saying it's his fault that he only got to face easy opponents and a few decent opponents playing like absolute shit. Moon and july basically gave their series to huk.

I'm saying MC/White-Ra/Nani are better players because they have many more accomplishments and aren't prone to effortlessly dice rolling for BO wins all the time.


None of HuK's builds so far have been dice roll wins. All have been standard macro games as far as I can tell.. WhiteRa doesn't have better accomplishments than HuK on any measure.

You are just straight up watching the games with biased glasses on. HuK is playing well and making his opponents look bad. Not the other way around.

HuK is definitely playing well, but the saying, "he makes his opponents look bad," is really annoying. Nobody's play makes someone look bad, if they play like crap, it's on their ass.

You're basically assuming people are unable to analyze a game, as if we always assume the loser "played like crap."

edit: Not trying to argue against HuK being among the top foreigner toss, I always thought he was. He just rarely plays to his potential when he needs to.
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