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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.

Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 20 2011 12:02 GMT
#3341
On June 20 2011 20:59 clusen wrote:
What, there was an IQ debate? Why?

Asia has a higher average, someone was trying to imply that was the reason for Korean's dominance.

And why must HuK be classified as a Korean? Why is he not classified as an extremely hardworking foreigner? Is there some rule that when someone is really good and trains in Korea that it means he's automatically Korean?
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Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 20 2011 12:02 GMT
#3342
On June 20 2011 21:00 coko wrote:
Marketing wise - can we all at least agree that Moon has done the best job of getting himself into all these foreigner tournaments and making prize money a lot of the time (I haven't checked, but is it always?), even though a lot of people don't rate him as the best Korean player by a mile.

They just invite Moon to all these foreign tournaments just to guarantee the foreigners will have at least one win.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
June 20 2011 12:02 GMT
#3343
I think HuK's parent will be very dissapointed by this thread, discussing if their son is a foreigner or not..

Can we please stop this?
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 12:03:31
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3344
On June 20 2011 21:00 Jampackedeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:53 CaptainTwig wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:48 ChickenLips wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.

Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.

I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.


Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.

People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"

Bullshit.

Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.


Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.


This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.



Well, that's actually bullshit as well.

If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more.

And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible.

None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less)
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coReY425
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark86 Posts
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3345
HUK is an Arctic Elephant trained by a Rabbit. Stop trying to make Elephants look better, he was clearly trained by a superior Rabbit and thats the only reason he even managed to turn on his computer. Pff.
ManaO
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy185 Posts
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3346
People always make the same mistake, in sports before and in E-Sports now, which is to say "this guy - this team is superior overall"

There is no ABSOLUTE superiority, there is RELATIVE superiority. In one tournament one guy is better than the others and wins. The next tournament another guy is better at the time and wins. The next tournament someone else is better and wins.

Not because X player performed better than A in Y tournament, if on the next tournament X loses to A, X is still better overall - no, he was better than A previously, now A is better. That's all

And stop saying that a player won because the other player played bad, that's just a dumb reason imho (although there are exceptions). Usually if a player played bad is because the other player made him play bad
No fear, Dr. Smith is here
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3347
Nice to see Korean training paying off for Huk.
I hope he comes to all foreign tournaments and win everything so people like iNcontroL can stop saying going to Korea is a waste.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3348
I think it's pretty clear that HuK is not Korean.

He represented Team USA against Team Korea back in GSL world championship.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3349
I seriously hope the mods stomp on these people trolling and saying Huk is korean.

You have issues and a lack of understanding how the real world works, you are basically trolling and it is disruptive to this thread.
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manloveman
Profile Joined April 2011
424 Posts
June 20 2011 12:03 GMT
#3350
On June 20 2011 21:01 WhurreOdu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


... actually we all have ancestors from Africa, SO ...


Maybe you darwin monkey boy. The rest of us are descendants of Adam/Eve.

Nice trolling though


User was temp banned for this post.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3351
On June 20 2011 21:00 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:58 Stolat wrote:
It makes me sad, that Moon needs to win so much, more and more, and ppl still consider him as "weak" or easy to beat!

He already proven that he might lose some games, but at the end he finishes every tournament in TOP8 at least.

I think skill wise he isn't anything special (for now) but he has tons of tournament experience so he has that ability to just find a win from somewhere.

you dont just find a win at a tournament with the player pool of dreamhack. moon is playing well and deserves to be in the semi finals
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Bobble
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1493 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3352
On June 20 2011 21:00 manloveman wrote:
HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants


look, if everyone is going to claim him, I'll throw my hat in the ring as well.
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3353
On June 20 2011 21:03 ManaO wrote:
People always make the same mistake, in sports before and in E-Sports now, which is to say "this guy - this team is superior overall"

There is no ABSOLUTE superiority, there is RELATIVE superiority. In one tournament one guy is better than the others and wins. The next tournament another guy is better at the time and wins. The next tournament someone else is better and wins.

Not because X player performed better than A in Y tournament, if on the next tournament X loses to A, X is still better overall - no, he was better than A previously, now A is better. That's all

And stop saying that a player won because the other player played bad, that's just a dumb reason imho (although there are exceptions). Usually if a player played bad is because the other player made him play bad


Nope July played like total crap.

Being forced to make Banelings by a Blink Stalker / Storm composition sounds like pretty crappy play to me.
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coko
Profile Joined November 2002
United Kingdom570 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3354
Heard it here first, Huk is from Jupiter! Which has very high gravity (ducy?) :o
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3355
On June 20 2011 21:02 Loxley wrote:
I think HuK's parent will be very dissapointed by this thread, discussing if their son is a foreigner or not..

Can we please stop this?

The discussion came up so much yesterday, you can't stop it so easily
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Imres
Profile Joined March 2011
515 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3356
On June 20 2011 21:04 coko wrote:
Heard it here first, Huk is from Jupiter! Which has very high gravity (ducy?) :o


Huk is from his pillow. That's the only truth.
samaNo4
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Spain245 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3357
On June 20 2011 20:56 ribboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 20:55 Nerdslayer wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:53 ribboo wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:52 Nerdslayer wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:49 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.

Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo aren't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.

I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.


Messi plays a Spanish style of football though, even Argentinians say that while Messi is an Argentine national he is a product of Spanish football.

Just like Huk is a Canandian but is a product of Korean Starcraft.


wtf are you talking about Messi is a product of the argentinians football school.

You have no idea wtf you talking about Brazil and Argentina got some of the best football schools in the world.

Jesus crist some of you people just plain silly

barca signed messi when he was 13.


So you got no idea how the argentina schools work. The best players from age 5-6 get recruited into those schools.

Messi was allrdy a wunderkid when he was 13 just like Maradona was when he was 10. just like Ronaldo was when he was 15 and moved to Amsterdam

Plz stop talking about football stick to sc2


yes, those 6 early years obviously has meant a lot more for him than the 11 he have had in spain.
lol.


Argentina and Brazil schools are awful for teamplay. They produce good players, but not good teams.Btw that's the problem Brazil has always had, awesome players, but 0 teamwork.

When messi came to Spain he was average. And the proof is that no Argentinian team dared to pay for his treatment. He moved the ball like god but he had no sprint and his stamina was VERY poor. Do you see the sprints nad rythm changes where he breaks the defence? It's a product from La Masia.

If Huk trains in Korea and plays like a korean he's technically korean. When people say foreigners can't compete with koreans, they mean the foreigner training system can't compete with the korean one. The majority of great foreigners (exceptuating some like Naniwa and Sen) are great because they went to korea to train.
And then do you know what happens all of a sudden? Trumpets!!
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3358
This constant fixation on race and nationality is getting old.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3359
If only Kennegit would post in here and claim HuK as a fellow Canadian everything would be settled!
I had a good night of sleep.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 20 2011 12:04 GMT
#3360
On June 20 2011 21:03 zestzorb wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that HuK is not Korean.

He represented Team USA against Team Korea back in GSL world championship.

You mean Team World.
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