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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:
Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.
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On June 20 2011 20:55 ForTheDr3am wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:51 hifriend wrote:On June 20 2011 20:47 ondik wrote:On June 20 2011 20:40 hifriend wrote:
That was some remarkably bad play by july, but spire vs blink is always a tough situation so..
At least I get to see bomber own him in the finals (seriously no chance for huk vs bomber).. dude..you already said you dislike HuK for being arrogant (what's interesting to me as you apparently like MC), why more hatred? It's annoying seeing him cruise through an easy group then bracket followed by july playing terribly. Superior protoss' like MC/Nani/White-Ra got tough opponents throughout the tournament and performed equally well without blindly going dt's half the time, yet now half the people in this thread are talking about huk as if he's suddenly the best protoss on the planet. Sigh. From what can you conclude that Naniwa and White-Ra are better than Huk? I mean, they both went 0-2 vs Moon while Huk won 2-0 against him. Huk has dropped a single game in this tournament, what should he have done better?
I'm not saying it's his fault that he only got to face easy opponents and a few decent opponents playing like absolute shit. Moon and july basically gave their series to huk.
I'm saying MC/White-Ra/Nani are better players because they have many more accomplishments and aren't prone to effortlessly dice rolling for BO wins all the time.
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On June 20 2011 20:57 -Strider- wrote:
Ok, this topic is hilarious. "Is Huk korean or foreigner, or american or canadian?".
Please end this topic
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On June 20 2011 20:56 Zaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:48 Fionn wrote:On June 20 2011 20:45 Rinnegan5 wrote:
I am just really glad koreans dont get first second and third place. Huk keeping up the pride for the foreigners! I dont know how others feel but only koreans finishing top places was getting old really fast. But Huk finishing so high just reinforces the fact that the Korean infrastructure is superior by miles to everyone else. The only foreign player to beat a Korean this weekend in the tournament was the guy who lives and trains with the oGs team. I think people look at the whole scene debate by just color of skin or how they look instead of where they play/practice. Having a coach, the living environment, schedule, and people like MC, Nada, and TOP around will make you a much better play. Ever since Idra left Korea, he's regressed mightily while Huk has become better and better. I am sure if Naniwa and Thorzain stay in Korea for a long amount of time and can practice with a Korean proteam, they'll also improve leaps and bounds. You need to be a genius to be good with minimal training. I can't wait to see the improvement of Naniwa and Thorzain. There is really nothing to prove here actually. Training in Korean is probably the best way to improve your skills for NOW. The skill ceilings there are much higher and everybody treat SC2 like a professional sports. So what if the price money is higher in the west, if you are truly serious about getting good in SC2, you NEED to go Korean.End of story We should all stop arguing about where the person originated from, it is ridiculously stupid.
I think it's crucial that Thorzain and Naniwa do more than just move to Korea. The main reason Huk has improved as he has is that he lives in the oGs house, he's coached by theWind, he sticks to their training regimes etc... Living in Seoul and laddering is not enough.
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Bomber-Huk Finals, my boy Chris takes it in a stunning upset!
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On June 20 2011 20:56 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:52 Maenander wrote:On June 20 2011 20:51 furymonkey wrote:On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo aren't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke. Only a few clueless people thinks nationality is the focus of discussion, this including you. What people are saying is the training style of Korean versus the foreigners, which still stands and clearly proven when the top 4 players all undergo the Korean style training. There is no foreigner style of training at all. Of course there is, streaming your ladder games for a couple hours every other day.
Haha this is so true, and so sad.
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On June 20 2011 20:54 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Huk over july isn't the biggest upset in the world... now Huk over bomber would probably be the biggest upset I've seen in the past month especially in a bo5 regardless of how well Huk has been playing. I mean, bomber just took out MC. MC!! MC made funfamental mistakes in mid/late in game 3, mistakes like not expanding, not upgrading armor, and he engaged before storm was ready, game 2 i don't even know what he was thinking when he let the expansion finish (and expanded early aggainst Bomber in XC). I think Huk does have a chance, not like MC, but he is clearlly not out yet.
Eh no, he was under constant pressure at his natural, lost a ton of units and did extremely well to hold off Bombers attacks on 2 base. The 3rd was shut down by Bomber not because MC forgot to. And resources are tight when you are within an inch of losing, all resources go to units. And MC didn't engage before storm, Bomber forced the issue....
Bomber has a good chance against Huk.
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Lol people voting huk is a foreigner because they dont want to admit that koreans are dominant in these tournies.. huk is pretty much korean. If they cant admit that, everyone should say dde, moonan, select are not NA players but korean players.
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On June 20 2011 20:57 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:55 ForTheDr3am wrote:On June 20 2011 20:51 hifriend wrote:On June 20 2011 20:47 ondik wrote:On June 20 2011 20:40 hifriend wrote:
That was some remarkably bad play by july, but spire vs blink is always a tough situation so..
At least I get to see bomber own him in the finals (seriously no chance for huk vs bomber).. dude..you already said you dislike HuK for being arrogant (what's interesting to me as you apparently like MC), why more hatred? It's annoying seeing him cruise through an easy group then bracket followed by july playing terribly. Superior protoss' like MC/Nani/White-Ra got tough opponents throughout the tournament and performed equally well without blindly going dt's half the time, yet now half the people in this thread are talking about huk as if he's suddenly the best protoss on the planet. Sigh. From what can you conclude that Naniwa and White-Ra are better than Huk? I mean, they both went 0-2 vs Moon while Huk won 2-0 against him. Huk has dropped a single game in this tournament, what should he have done better? Naniwa has performed better in foreign tournaments for a long time now. Apart from the game versus Moon he has been just as dominating as HuK at Dreamhack. Losing one game against a player with a style that you might not be accustomed tot while one guy beats that style doesn't necessarily make the second player better.
It means Huk is having a better tournament than Naniwa. Simple as that. Doesn't mean Huk is more skilled than Naniwa or Naniwa is more skilled than Huk. I don't get why people have to take an isolated look at tournaments and only conclude skill from there.
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I think the problem isn't so much the foreigners not training enough, but in the foreign scene it's still only the players that get sponsored. The only real "pro-house" is TLO's in sweden and there's not a single coach that I heard of really doing that job full time.
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What, there was an IQ debate? Why?
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On June 20 2011 20:58 Megaliskuu wrote:HE IS A FOREIGNER WITH KOREAN TRAINING GOD FUCKING DAMMIT Now lets begin discussing Moon vs Bomber 
So you're saying cease all discussions?
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On June 20 2011 20:57 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:53 Imres wrote:On June 20 2011 20:52 Maenander wrote:On June 20 2011 20:51 furymonkey wrote:On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo aren't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke. Only a few clueless people thinks nationality is the focus of discussion, this including you. What people are saying is the training style of Korean versus the foreigners, which still stands and clearly proven when the top 4 players all undergo the Korean style training. There is no foreigner style of training at all. Yes there is one. Stream your games, do coaching, play in minor cups/leagues to get some money, and practice not that much. There are foreigners who really train a lot like Naniwa, Sase and Morrow. But everyone trains using his own, individual methods on servers that haven't reached the same level of gameplay the korean server has. I wouldn't call that a "style".
Oh yes there is some foreigners that do things differently, but in Europe it's typically the training regiment of snd tiers pros, because there is no other way to make money from gaming.
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Its not just the training, its also talent. Not anyone can be as good as the really good progamers. Huk obviously had some talent from the beginning.
Guys like flash jaedong and bisu are once in a generation type of talent
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On June 20 2011 20:56 ribboo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:55 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 20 2011 20:53 ribboo wrote:On June 20 2011 20:52 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 20 2011 20:49 lunchforthesky wrote:On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo aren't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke. Messi plays a Spanish style of football though, even Argentinians say that while Messi is an Argentine national he is a product of Spanish football. Just like Huk is a Canandian but is a product of Korean Starcraft. wtf are you talking about Messi is a product of the argentinians football school. You have no idea wtf you talking about Brazil and Argentina got some of the best football schools in the world. Jesus crist some of you people just plain silly barca signed messi when he was 13. So you got no idea how the argentina schools work. The best players from age 5-6 get recruited into those schools. Messi was allrdy a wunderkid when he was 13 just like Maradona was when he was 10. just like Ronaldo was when he was 15 and moved to Amsterdam Plz stop talking about football stick to sc2 yes, those 6 early years obviously has meant a lot more for him than the 11 he have had in spain. lol.
The point im making is that if Messi didnt exist there would be another "messi" or another Maradona. You bet you life that in 10 years time you will still see some of the best Argentina and Brazilian football players in the world
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Marketing wise - can we all at least agree that Moon has done the best job of getting himself into all these foreigner tournaments and making prize money a lot of the time (I haven't checked, but is it always?), even though a lot of people don't rate him as the best Korean player by a mile.
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On June 20 2011 20:59 clusen wrote:
What, there was an IQ debate? Why?
obviously
july -> fat -> pizza -> dumb
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Man, if we count HuK as Korean then Koreans have been performing a lot worse than expexcted - Ret, Jinro and Haypro all losing to white dudes.
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HUK is european, since us/canada is euro immigrants
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On June 20 2011 20:58 Stolat wrote:
It makes me sad, that Moon needs to win so much, more and more, and ppl still consider him as "weak" or easy to beat!
He already proven that he might lose some games, but at the end he finishes every tournament in TOP8 at least.
I think skill wise he isn't anything special (for now) but he has tons of tournament experience so he has that ability to just find a win from somewhere.
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On June 20 2011 20:53 CaptainTwig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 20:48 ChickenLips wrote:On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote:
This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke. Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene. People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be" Bullshit.Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea. Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.
This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.
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