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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:23:29
June 19 2011 21:13 GMT
#12241
On June 20 2011 06:12 nvs. wrote:
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so when idra jetlagged that is legit excuse, but when MC was jetlagged at MLG that wasn't, i see idra fanboy logic now thx for clarifying


just thought the same thing. I love how the same situation is interpreted differently by some people.

It was probably a joke..like I said about how MC used jetlagged@MLG and now Idra is using it now...
leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
June 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#12242
On June 20 2011 06:10 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:09 leungwk01 wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 drox22 wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:02 haxard wrote:
5 Asia, 2 EU, 1 NA in a completely dominated EU tourny

9 Europeans
5 Asians
2 NA

in the ro16

most europeans lost to koreans, NA is still the worst out there together with SEA

Look at the groups and compare how many NA/ competed to EU.


Wtf is this 5 asia business.

It's 4 korea, 1 taiwan, 2 eu, 1 na.

Sen is a foreigner. Taiwanesee blood and doesn't even live in a korean house.

Lol, what are you talking about?
I'm refering to the amount of NA players competing which is about <5 whilst they're probably >30 EU players. So obvious NA is worst out of them all when there's like 6 times less players competing. Or w/e the stats are.
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
June 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#12243
One important point is that Huk, a foreigner, when placed in the korean training environment in the oGs house, is able to display similar results as the other "koreans".

Had nothing to do with nationality, just that if one group of people work together and devote their life into improving their game, they will exceed others. If all the support from team houses combined with the many hours of targetted training doesn't give them an edge, this game would be somewhat unfair.
Steamroller
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland756 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:15:15
June 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#12244
On June 20 2011 06:10 fartdra wrote:
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On June 20 2011 06:09 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:05 Kevan wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.


Thorzain beat him, Sase beat him and I'm pretty sure players like Naniwa, Nerchio, White Ra, Dimaga etc would be able to beat Idra. Naniwa and Thorzain are also going to Korea to improve and play in code A. Give them the time and the opportunity and they will be able to compete with anyone.


Idra was jetlagged day 1. Said so in interviews, on twitter etc.


so when idra jetlagged that is legit excuse, but when MC was jetlagged at MLG that wasn't, i see idra fanboy logic now thx for clarifying


So when MC jetlagged it was legit excuse? But when Idra jetlagged it wasn't? I see MC fanboy logic there.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#12245
On June 20 2011 06:11 ffadicted wrote:
4 Korean, 2 EU, 1 Asia, 1 NA



Sen was the only Asian, other than Koreans, invited, and Koreans are Asian, so I'm not seeing it.

Plus, I'm not sure Sen represents the Taiwanese scene, though he represents Taiwan as a player, as Taiwan really hasn't produced another player like him. Sen is in a class of his own.
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
June 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#12246
On June 20 2011 06:13 RevLesMis wrote:
after this shit i have to completely agree with CatZ. we need to get the koreans out of foreign tournaments. no racism just saying this is stupid if i wanted to see koreans playing every effing tournament i would watch the GSL,



lets get Barcelona and Manchester United out of the Champions League so we can watch worse teams as well
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#12247
On June 20 2011 06:14 leungwk01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 rysecake wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:09 leungwk01 wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 drox22 wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:02 haxard wrote:
5 Asia, 2 EU, 1 NA in a completely dominated EU tourny

9 Europeans
5 Asians
2 NA

in the ro16

most europeans lost to koreans, NA is still the worst out there together with SEA

Look at the groups and compare how many NA/ competed to EU.


Wtf is this 5 asia business.

It's 4 korea, 1 taiwan, 2 eu, 1 na.

Sen is a foreigner. Taiwanesee blood and doesn't even live in a korean house.

Lol, what are you talking about?
I'm refering to the amount of NA players competing which is about <5 whilst they're probably >30 EU players. So obvious NA is worst out of them all when there's like 6 times less players competing. Or w/e the stats are.


Sorry misunderstanding. I was just pointing out how korea and sen are not under 1 category. Sen is in his own category (or mixed into the foreigner tab). Korea is a category by itself, not asia.
The Notorious Winkles
Scratchasaurus
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1 Post
June 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#12248
Sorry if this has been asked, but are there any vods and/or reccomended games for day1 or 2?
Tarot
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada440 Posts
June 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#12249
On June 20 2011 06:10 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:08 thefreed wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:03 mordk wrote:
Koreans dominating again. How do they fare in series now? Like.. 15-1??

Not too surprising though. Perhaps the only surprise for me was moon 2-0'ing White-Ra. I mean, White-Ra is an amazing player, I thought he would be capable of beating moon, who's not that impressive.

That said, I think that while moon isn't that good at SC2, he's got sort of a "champion's heart", he always seems to pull off some ridiculous unheard of skill when playing in LANs, that's why I never count him out. His WC3 stage experience has made him a tremendous competitor.

Lol you call White ra amazing and call Moon not that impressive when he just 2-0d white ra? I mean that's pretty biased.
... You have to be good at sc2 to perform in a stage like this... I mean his gotten so far in most of the foreign tournaments his been in.


I call him not too impressive based on seeing his games and watching him not being able to even enter code A anymore. He's not a top korean. He performs well in LANs, I'm pretty sure that's because of his extensive tournament experience and success, but his SC2 skill isn't too high, that's been shown multiple times on GSL.

I think Moon just seems weak because code A / code A qualifiers are probably harder than most (if not all foreigner events). ~16 spots for qualifiers, and people like ganzi, drg, all of fxo couldn't even make it.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:16:14
June 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#12250
On June 20 2011 06:14 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 fartdra wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:09 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:05 Kevan wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.


Thorzain beat him, Sase beat him and I'm pretty sure players like Naniwa, Nerchio, White Ra, Dimaga etc would be able to beat Idra. Naniwa and Thorzain are also going to Korea to improve and play in code A. Give them the time and the opportunity and they will be able to compete with anyone.


Idra was jetlagged day 1. Said so in interviews, on twitter etc.


so when idra jetlagged that is legit excuse, but when MC was jetlagged at MLG that wasn't, i see idra fanboy logic now thx for clarifying


So when MC jetlagged it weas legit excuse? But when Idra jetlagged it wasn't? I see MC fanboy logic there.


IdrA was in Sweden for a day ro two and knew he was going, MC had a couple hours notice, boarded a plane at 7AM, and played that day. IdrA says he was sick, not sure if that means jetlag or not though.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#12251
On June 20 2011 06:14 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 fartdra wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:09 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:05 Kevan wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.


Thorzain beat him, Sase beat him and I'm pretty sure players like Naniwa, Nerchio, White Ra, Dimaga etc would be able to beat Idra. Naniwa and Thorzain are also going to Korea to improve and play in code A. Give them the time and the opportunity and they will be able to compete with anyone.


Idra was jetlagged day 1. Said so in interviews, on twitter etc.


so when idra jetlagged that is legit excuse, but when MC was jetlagged at MLG that wasn't, i see idra fanboy logic now thx for clarifying


So when MC jetlagged it was legit excuse? But when Idra jetlagged it wasn't? I see MC fanboy logic there.


That's not what he said at all... he was simply pointing out what other people said, not what he personally said.

Either way, he is an IdrA hater, not necessarily an MC fan.
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12252
I cant wait for some korean on korean action tomorrow.
epik16
Profile Joined June 2011
United States43 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12253
USA doesn't even dominate at sports other nations actually play.

Even with their own sports, they've been falling behind as well. World football, we're horrible we have holden and howard who are EPL players but the rest are meh. American football, in international tournaments i think spain and japan beat us.

Basketball we are still fairly competitive but that is one of the least skill based sports out there, just be really tall.

Baseball we are bad now and korea and japan are both solid. Hockey canada won.

So yea americans better learn to lose gracefully quick because it likely won't get any better since the reason we were so far ahead in the first place was almost purely due to an economical advantage where other countries were busy trying to feed themselves and live decently rather than chasing sporting opportunities. Tables have turned there as well.
Tommie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
China658 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12254
MC looking really strong. Only mistakes I have seen were the 2 Colossi being sniped in game 1 vs Idra. Huge mistakes, but the only ones. He is looking more convincing than Bomber thus far. We'll see. Can't wait.
Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:17:18
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12255
On June 20 2011 06:13 RevLesMis wrote:
after this shit i have to completely agree with CatZ. we need to get the koreans out of foreign tournaments. no racism just saying this is stupid if i wanted to see koreans playing every effing tournament i would watch the GSL,


No thanks, I'd rather see the best players playing when possible.

If I want to watch EU only players battle it out I'll watch some of the bigger online cups/smaller lans since they are usually so well attended =)

For big events though the level of play is just substantially raised by having a decent Korean presence.
holycrapitsTony
Profile Joined October 2010
United States330 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12256
On June 20 2011 05:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:33 Swagasaurus wrote:
Tired of watching someone get outplayed but win because they know how to abusive broken mechanics.

Very disappointed by this series.


Oh please. IdrA played a very sub-par game, making terrible decision mid-late game.


... what? IdrA played amazingly well.
NYE: when the match loading screen comes up "zvz" it's like finding out you have hiv
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12257
On June 20 2011 06:14 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 fartdra wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:09 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:05 Kevan wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level.


Thorzain beat him, Sase beat him and I'm pretty sure players like Naniwa, Nerchio, White Ra, Dimaga etc would be able to beat Idra. Naniwa and Thorzain are also going to Korea to improve and play in code A. Give them the time and the opportunity and they will be able to compete with anyone.


Idra was jetlagged day 1. Said so in interviews, on twitter etc.


so when idra jetlagged that is legit excuse, but when MC was jetlagged at MLG that wasn't, i see idra fanboy logic now thx for clarifying


So when MC jetlagged it weas legit excuse? But when Idra jetlagged it wasn't? I see MC fanboy logic there.


I think the point is that when MC was no longer jetlagged, he 4-0 Idra. And today Idra shouldn't have the jetlag excuse, and he still lost.

I heard he was sick, which may be a factor. Either way, it wouldn't be fanboy logic to point out that MC has a better record against Idra.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
drox22
Profile Joined April 2011
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:16:54
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12258
On June 20 2011 06:14 leungwk01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 rysecake wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:09 leungwk01 wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 drox22 wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:02 haxard wrote:
5 Asia, 2 EU, 1 NA in a completely dominated EU tourny

9 Europeans
5 Asians
2 NA

in the ro16

most europeans lost to koreans, NA is still the worst out there together with SEA

Look at the groups and compare how many NA/ competed to EU.


Wtf is this 5 asia business.

It's 4 korea, 1 taiwan, 2 eu, 1 na.

Sen is a foreigner. Taiwanesee blood and doesn't even live in a korean house.

Lol, what are you talking about?
I'm refering to the amount of NA players competing which is about <5 whilst they're probably >30 EU players. So obvious NA is worst out of them all when there's like 6 times less players competing. Or w/e the stats are.


Europe is way better than NA, Europe even dominates MLG and NASL for the most part and they are NA tournaments.
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12259
On June 20 2011 06:13 RevLesMis wrote:
after this shit i have to completely agree with CatZ. we need to get the koreans out of foreign tournaments. no racism just saying this is stupid if i wanted to see koreans playing every effing tournament i would watch the GSL,


We should also get the USA out of basketball at the Olympics (and the Olympics in general).
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
June 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#12260
On June 20 2011 06:14 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:11 ffadicted wrote:
4 Korean, 2 EU, 1 Asia, 1 NA



Sen was the only Asian, other than Koreans, invited, and Koreans are Asian, so I'm not seeing it.

Plus, I'm not sure Sen represents the Taiwanese scene, though he represents Taiwan as a player, as Taiwan really hasn't produced another player like him. Sen is in a class of his own.


4 Korean 2 EU, 1 NA, 1 Sen-ean

Fixed D:
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