Taken from the NASL site: After nine weeks of competition, group play in the first season of the North American Star League has come to a close. Ten players have punched their tickets for the Grand Finals and one additional player will secure their place by winning the NASL Open Tournament. Twenty more will attempt to secure one of five additional spots by coming through the playoff bracket. While seeding for the playoffs is based on league standings, many players have not played one another and are presently tied. As such, a series of tiebreakers will be played and broadcast this upcoming Tuesday to set the stage for playoff action.
Tiebreaker Scenario: This tiebreaker is slightly more complicated. Both the winner's and loser's opponent for the playoffs will be determined by a 4 man tiebreaker.
lol. Cruncher will take the higher seed. And plays against oGsMC. Actually, to be honest Nani and MC are probably two of the hardest players to make a choice to play against.
Actually, to be honest Nani and MC are probably two of the hardest players to make a choice to play against.
PvP wise it seems MC is the more feared opponent, at least judging from the MC vs. Naniwa games at MLG. MC just seems to be on a whole different level PvP
On June 15 2011 09:21 MCDayC wrote: lol. Cruncher will take the higher seed. And plays against oGsMC. Actually, to be honest Nani and MC are probably two of the hardest players to make a choice to play against.
Lol seriously this is one of those situations in which you know you are going up against a beast of a protoss regardless haha. I would be kinda sad whether i won or lost
But seriously i hope this influences NASL to change how their tournament runs.
I loved the select vs MC series as much as anyone seeing mass carrier against Mass Battlecruisers but players should never be in a position where they are losing a match on purpose for better seeding. It makes no sense. "If i lose this match, i have a worse seed.. which means i will have an easier round.." huh.
The object should be to win every match you go into. But obviously they want to win the tournament so i am not faulting them at all for knowing what matches they want to lose, but they shouldnt ever be in a situation where they go in wanting to lose.
On June 15 2011 10:38 Dexington wrote: I sincerely hope Idra doesn't make it to the finals at this point.
I laughed so hard, you realize that players can opt to literally coinflip for this? my god can you read? this is hardly meaningful to anything thats why players are taking coinflips and doing all-ins.
getting really sick of watching idra lately. He just gives off this i dont care stuff and his gg timings are practically predictable now which is kinda sad
On June 15 2011 10:43 00Visor wrote: Honestly this should just be decided by a coint toss. Idra just didn't care. Mana is not one of the stronger opponents here.
I think IdrA lost on purpose the first game against Sjow because if he won, he was either in MC group, either in Naniwa group, so he prefered to loose, and against Nada, he did'nt care because he was either in Morrow's group, either Zenio group
On June 15 2011 10:44 cmgillett wrote: Its a shame idras such a talented player but continues to disappoint the viewers with his careless and pre-mature ggs
would you rather him opt for a coinflip (literally) like the other players? or at least play his games
Argh, I was hoping Idra would show me some good games so I could figure out why everyone likes him so much, but... Is he really dropping these games? Either way I think he smells right now.
On June 15 2011 10:43 00Visor wrote: Honestly this should just be decided by a coint toss. Idra just didn't care. Mana is not one of the stronger opponents here.
SlayersMMA: I can kill my own CC/OC and Idra will still GG SlayersBoxer: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG SlayersNada: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG
I think the Cruncher vs Axslav coinflip made sense. Winner faces MC, loser faces Naniwa. I'd bet both of them wanted to lose, so they flipped a coin instead.
On June 15 2011 10:47 Vandal wrote: I think the Cruncher vs Axslav coinflip made sense. Winner faces MC, loser faces Naniwa. I'd bet both of them wanted to lose, so they coin flipped instead.
On June 15 2011 10:47 Vandal wrote: I think the Cruncher vs Axslav coinflip made sense. Winner faces MC, loser faces Naniwa. I'd bet both of them wanted to lose, so they coin flipped instead.
They were honest at least. Idra just intentionally looses :/
On June 15 2011 10:46 twndomn wrote: SlayersMMA: I can kill my own CC/OC and Idra will still GG SlayersBoxer: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG SlayersNada: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG
Ah Moletrap and Diggity :D hell yeah! The only thing better would be Cholera and Rise haha. Or triple with Moletrap, Diggity, and Klazart . I'm glad I tuned in, I would've missed this blast from the past!
On June 15 2011 10:46 twndomn wrote: SlayersMMA: I can kill my own CC/OC and Idra will still GG SlayersBoxer: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG SlayersNada: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG
Tyler needed 1 probe to beat idra. MMA shows us that we need even less than a worker to beat idra.
On June 15 2011 10:46 twndomn wrote: SlayersMMA: I can kill my own CC/OC and Idra will still GG SlayersBoxer: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG SlayersNada: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG
On June 15 2011 10:46 twndomn wrote: SlayersMMA: I can kill my own CC/OC and Idra will still GG SlayersBoxer: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG SlayersNada: 2 Rax early pressure and Idra will GG
The BO1's were just to seed players in the correct seed. Obviously most of the players really didn't care where they were seeded. Afterall, they're all in the playoffs. As for the playoffs, the games are BO3's like normal.
Looking at the number of signups for the open tournament, I wonder if any of the players regret not just skipping the league and getting in the final 16 through the 1 spot for the open tourney
As it stands they'd just have needed to win a 128 man tourney to get into the finals
On June 15 2011 11:12 udgnim wrote: if I was Idra, I'd prefer to have Nada's spot in Group 2 than be in Group 1 with Sen & Zenio there
wonder if he'll regret not trying in his matches
IdrA said he feels more comfortable now in ZvZ after studying infestors more after losing to zenio
I know idra is more comfortable in ZvZ but group 2 looks like it would be much easier. Group 2 idra's big hurdle would be july while in group 1 he has sen and zenio. Plus as i recall july's ZvZ is not the best, not 100% sure about that though
"The 16-man finals will feature several casters who will switch off between matches. Andre "Gretorp" Hengchua and Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson will be joined by Sean "Day9" Plott and another very special guest!"
On June 15 2011 11:12 udgnim wrote: if I was Idra, I'd prefer to have Nada's spot in Group 2 than be in Group 1 with Sen & Zenio there
wonder if he'll regret not trying in his matches
IdrA said he feels more comfortable now in ZvZ after studying infestors more after losing to zenio
I know idra is more comfortable in ZvZ but group 2 looks like it would be much easier. Group 2 idra's big hurdle would be july while in group 1 he has sen and zenio. Plus as i recall july's ZvZ is not the best, not 100% sure about that though
-.- On good days, IdrA beats Sen and Zenio. On their good days, vice versa. I wouldn't say that it would be impossible to beat Sen and Zenio as he has done it more than a few times before.
On June 15 2011 11:18 nufcrulz wrote: Looking at the number of signups for the open tournament, I wonder if any of the players regret not just skipping the league and getting in the final 16 through the 1 spot for the open tourney
As it stands they'd just have needed to win a 128 man tourney to get into the finals
Thats for 1 spot. You can bet its going to be very tough to win.
Hopefully I'm not mistaken, but the bracket should look like this
#1 Ret #16 Open tournament
#8 Sheth #9 Squirtle
#5 July #12 MorroW/NaDa/TT1/Socke
#4 Moon #13 AcE/Fenix/HasuObs/BRAT_OK
#3 Strelok #14 NaNiwa/SjoW/DarKFoRcE/Axslav
#6 Sen #11 Zenio/IdrA/MaNa/dde
#7 SeleCT #10 WhiteRa
#2 SlayerS_BoxeR #15 MC/KiWiKaKi/MoMaN/CrunCher
Looking forward to potentially epic matches, July vs MorroW/NaDa?! Strelok vs NaNiwa Sen vs Zenio/IdrA
and last, hoping MC goes thru..
BoxeR vs MC?!
Also hoping a strong competitor comes out from the open-bracket, whether that's ThorZaIN, DIMAGA or another of the strong "foreigners", or a Korean doesn't really matter.
I don't understand how this is working... I thought the top 2 of each group are in the playoffs/finals and the rest will play for 5 additional slots there and one player will get there frpom the open bracket. now here is something with seeds and groups and second place is some kind of "group winner" that has to play so get to the finals... Is this crazy thing explained anywhere that you can understand it without having three doctor titles?
On June 15 2011 15:32 Geisterkarle wrote: I don't understand how this is working... I thought the top 2 of each group are in the playoffs/finals and the rest will play for 5 additional slots there and one player will get there frpom the open bracket. now here is something with seeds and groups and second place is some kind of "group winner" that has to play so get to the finals... Is this crazy thing explained anywhere that you can understand it without having three doctor titles?
It's exactly what you think it is. The top 10 are already in the final bracket. The remaining players are put into 5 groups of 4 with the winners going into the final bracket and the open winner being the 16th participant.
The NASL is encouraging players to throw their games so they get into better groups, or making it so that the games don't matter. The result seems to be an entire day of weird or bad games.
Can the admins revise the rules so that this doesn't happen? I mean I don't think anyone minds an occasional game played for laughs but this is just too much.
ahhh poor boxer he may have to face MC in the first round T_T, i beleive in the emperor though XD. That would be a huge notch on his belt to take out MC. One step at a time though mc has to make it through the playoffs.
On June 15 2011 16:23 scrubtastic wrote: This is a subpar ruleset here.
The NASL is encouraging players to throw their games so they get into better groups, or making it so that the games don't matter. The result seems to be an entire day of weird or bad games.
Can the admins revise the rules so that this doesn't happen? I mean I don't think anyone minds an occasional game played for laughs but this is just too much.
Yea between the select and MC games (wich i was looking forward too) and then the games today, this is rather annoying.....
I was really lookiing forward to some of the matchups today, i think it was really dissapointing for the casters as well, they come in to cast some supposedly epic games, and are there for less than 50 minutes as no one took it seriously.
On June 15 2011 16:23 scrubtastic wrote: This is a subpar ruleset here.
The NASL is encouraging players to throw their games so they get into better groups, or making it so that the games don't matter. The result seems to be an entire day of weird or bad games.
Can the admins revise the rules so that this doesn't happen? I mean I don't think anyone minds an occasional game played for laughs but this is just too much.
Clearly somebody hasn't really thought the ruleset through. Then again, we're talking about a league that realized they were using outdated map versions 3 weeks into the playoffs. Between that, releasing the 'behind the scenes' Painuser video, the production quality actually getting worse after a brief improvement I can't see myself resubscribing after this season is over to be honest.
Why did BRAT_OK end up in the top 30 and EGiNcontrol didn't? They were both at 4-5 W/L record with -4 points, and yet BRAT_OK is mysteriously in and iNcontrol out without any tiebreak? Is there any other part of the ranking system that affected the outcome of this, or how did this happen, anyone knows?
On June 15 2011 22:56 Denia1 wrote: Why did BRAT_OK end up in the top 30 and EGiNcontrol didn't? They were both at 4-5 W/L record with -4 points, and yet BRAT_OK is mysteriously in and iNcontrol out without any tiebreak? Is there any other part of the ranking system that affected the outcome of this, or how did this happen, anyone knows?
Maybe because in their respective divisions BRAT_OK finished 6th, and iNcontroL finished 8th? Not sure though.
On June 15 2011 22:56 Denia1 wrote: Why did BRAT_OK end up in the top 30 and EGiNcontrol didn't? They were both at 4-5 W/L record with -4 points, and yet BRAT_OK is mysteriously in and iNcontrol out without any tiebreak? Is there any other part of the ranking system that affected the outcome of this, or how did this happen, anyone knows?
The stats page on nasl.tv is somewhat inflexible. If you remember way back in Week 1, MC was still stuck in an airport in Turkey and received a w/o. The resulting judgement is MC received a forfeit lost but was not deducted points, and Brat_OK receives a free-win and +2 points to his score.
The stats page seems to unable to reflect such a discrepency. Because of this, Brat_OK is actually 4-5 (-2pt) whereas incontrol is 4-5 (-4pt).
On June 15 2011 22:56 Denia1 wrote: Why did BRAT_OK end up in the top 30 and EGiNcontrol didn't? They were both at 4-5 W/L record with -4 points, and yet BRAT_OK is mysteriously in and iNcontrol out without any tiebreak? Is there any other part of the ranking system that affected the outcome of this, or how did this happen, anyone knows?
The stats page on nasl.tv is somewhat inflexible. If you remember way back in Week 1, MC was still stuck in an airport in Turkey and received a w/o. The resulting judgement is MC received a forfeit lost but was not deducted points, and Brat_OK receives a free-win and +2 points to his score.
The stats page seems to unable to reflect such a discrepency. Because of this, Brat_OK is actually 4-5 (-2pt) whereas incontrol is 4-5 (-4pt).
That could explain it, thanks. Formerly, I thought walkovers only counted as a win or a loss without any points to compensate the loser who hasn't actually lost and also not to unfairly put the winner who hasn't actually won at a further advantage through the points. But if it's just a statistics page discrepancy then the outcome of top 30 is comprehensible. I also thought iNcontroL may have voluntarily given up the spot to cast or that the standings in their respective divisions as mentioned in the above post may have been the cause, but your explanation works without trying to find solutions out of the system .
I doubled checked Xeris' numbers and found no foul play. I believe several others, including motbob, did the same. So we should believe Xeris, at least for this time.
iNcontroL has the unfortunate honor of being the lowest scoring 4-win player, which compound with the fact that there are a total of 31 players (not including the medical red-shirted TLO) players with 4 or more wins, means that he is the poor fellow that won't make the playoffs.
The games were pretty lame but I really enjoyed having moletrap and diggity cast, I hope that this is not a one time thing. Also eventually it would be nice if NASL eventually has some consistency in who they use for casters, my enjoyment of it varies greatly based on that (sorry gretorp) so it's kind of a crap shoot for me if it's worth tuning in or not.
On June 15 2011 23:55 Treemonkeys wrote: The games were pretty lame but I really enjoyed having moletrap and diggity cast, I hope that this is not a one time thing. Also eventually it would be nice if NASL eventually has some consistency in who they use for casters, my enjoyment of it varies greatly based on that (sorry gretorp) so it's kind of a crap shoot for me if it's worth tuning in or not.
I think moletrap mentioned yesterday that they will be casting this week, and incontrol and gretorp next week.
Ugh need beer for smartmaking.... can't someone make a nice graphic for this so it's easier to get a overall picture of what the hell they're fighting for and what happens when people win/lose?
MLG had some crazy rules and I didn't understand half of them but atleast the nice graphs made it easy to understand who would be playing who and somewhat why.
On June 15 2011 22:56 Denia1 wrote: Why did BRAT_OK end up in the top 30 and EGiNcontrol didn't? They were both at 4-5 W/L record with -4 points, and yet BRAT_OK is mysteriously in and iNcontrol out without any tiebreak? Is there any other part of the ranking system that affected the outcome of this, or how did this happen, anyone knows?
It has nothing to do with points or records, those just reflect your rank in your division, which is the only thing that matters.
On June 16 2011 00:34 Zeiryuu wrote: NaDa vs July will be good. If it's MC vs Boxer, I hope Alicia helps Boxer train ALOT!
Lol for some reason I don't think Alicia could TvP MC.
On June 16 2011 00:27 Krehlmar wrote: Ugh need beer for smartmaking.... can't someone make a nice graphic for this so it's easier to get a overall picture of what the hell they're fighting for and what happens when people win/lose?
MLG had some crazy rules and I didn't understand half of them but atleast the nice graphs made it easy to understand who would be playing who and somewhat why.
It's not good for anyone involved... organizers, players, or spectators to have a system that lets a person intentionally throw a match to get in a more favorable group. For next season I hope the NASL considers allowing the winner of each match to choose their bracket therefore making the game VERY important rather than something you throw or forfeit.
I'd also like to see NASL do a better job keeping their site up to date. I see no reason someone can't take 5 minutes to update the stats after the broadcast. If NASL wasn't aiming to be the premier foreigner tournament I wouldn't care too much, but the flagship of esports needs to be well polished imo.
such a fail idea ... really might as well show the coin tossing as well. I enjoy the NASL but some rules are just so weird like this tie-breaker, or the qualifier facing the number 1 seed, i mean come on that's not a reward to a number one seed. There is a reason SeleCT did not even bother, you don't want things like that happen to a competition it just makes it all look very amateur style.
On June 16 2011 02:24 starcraft911 wrote: It's not good for anyone involved... organizers, players, or spectators to have a system that lets a person intentionally throw a match to get in a more favorable group. For next season I hope the NASL considers allowing the winner of each match to choose their bracket therefore making the game VERY important rather than something you throw or forfeit.
I'd also like to see NASL do a better job keeping their site up to date. I see no reason someone can't take 5 minutes to update the stats after the broadcast. If NASL wasn't aiming to be the premier foreigner tournament I wouldn't care too much, but the flagship of esports needs to be well polished imo.
completely agree, if Cruncher and Axslav played it out they would both have tried to lose to avoid the MC mu. obviously the coinflip is both players wanted to play naniwa instead (who is definitely not as good at his PvP as MC).
Either way i highly doubt NASL is going to return. no one is going to buy HD passes after the snore that has been NASL season one, so they'll prob cancel it or atleast re-do the whole thing (which they should)
I for one have enjoyed NASL greatly. There are some things they could polish, and I think some of the casters were a little bland. I like Gretorp and Incontrol, and I found Idra's commentary very informative and insightful but I really didn't like any of the other casters. Overall though I've had the privilege of watching 100's of pro games for free with solid production and I will continue to watch NASL every chance I get. I don't know why people are giving them a hard time about so many things, I feel like NASL and MLG are the backbone of esports in NA.
I've said it many times but I really hope all of the big leagues in NA form a unified circuit where players earn points towards a single yearly or semi yearly (2x per year) playoffs for a true NA championship.
On June 16 2011 03:01 Reborn8u wrote: I for one have enjoyed NASL greatly. There are some things they could polish, and I think some of the casters were a little bland. I like Gretorp and Incontrol, and I found Idra's commentary very informative and insightful but I really didn't like any of the other casters. Overall though I've had the privilege of watching 100's of pro games for free with solid production and I will continue to watch NASL every chance I get. I don't know why people are giving them a hard time about so many things, I feel like NASL and MLG are the backbone of esports in NA.
I've said it many times but I really hope all of the big leagues in NA form a unified circuit where players earn points towards a single yearly or semi yearly (2x per year) playoffs for a true NA championship.
NASL has been a lot of fun, but there are definitely some bizarre things that have come out of it. This playoff seeding mess being one of the stranger things.
On June 16 2011 07:21 Xeris wrote: what seeding mess?
Everyone throwing games/not caring about seeds
Yeah it felt somewhat uneventful in some games. Didn't seem like it mattered too much. Ah well, I'm sure they've noticed themselves and are thinking about it.
On June 16 2011 07:21 Xeris wrote: what seeding mess?
Everyone throwing games/not caring about seeds
Yeah it felt somewhat uneventful in some games. Didn't seem like it mattered too much. Ah well, I'm sure they've noticed themselves and are thinking about it.
Tiebreaks is to break seeding. Players are already qualified. If they don't care who they play, why try in those games. I.E. MC or Naniwa are both insanely hard opponents, it honestly doesn't matter
Tiebreak games were never meant to have a lot of meaning.
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