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Calgary26001 Posts
I hope you have casting experience. I'm interested to watch but if the production and commentary isn't there it can't hold my attention for more than a minute. If it's good I'll definitely check it out.
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On June 09 2011 10:36 Chill wrote:
I hope you have casting experience. I'm interested to watch but if the production and commentary isn't there it can't hold my attention for more than a minute. If it's good I'll definitely check it out.
It doesn't work that way, Chill. You have to check it out before you can know if it's good.
I think it could be fun, surely depends on the live commentary. The simple fact that girls are playing isn't particularly interesting in itself.
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Bluetea's gonna slaughter this tourney if she signs up.
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On June 09 2011 10:16 KiWiKaKi wrote:
i approve this
then it shall be... :D lol
No I really hope this does well I want to meet the women of SC2 I think its gonna be great only girl I have played in masters at one time was GosuGirl I think her name was, that was the only girl ive played in SC2 at a master league. I hope it goes well and i wish you GL .. if u need some help i will gladly help pm me if needed :D
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On June 09 2011 03:39 BeefyKnight wrote:
Phraxa if that post is legit its a REALLY bad idea to make all your contact info public like that (I didn't want to quote it for obvious reasons)
Great idea, 100% support female tournys. Hope you host more!
LOLLLLLLLL. Oh wow, I'm so sorry, I thought I sent it to the guy in a private message. Jesus I must've been tired, good thing I checked back.
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On June 06 2011 18:43 CheekyDuck wrote:
Time and Date:
Sydney (Australia - New South Wales) Saturday, 9 July 2011 at 10:00:00 AM EST
Guatemala (Guatemala) Friday, 8 July 2011 at 6:00:00 PM CST
Corresponding UTC (GMT) Saturday, 9 July 2011 at 00:00:00
Out of curiosity, what does Guatemala have to do with this tournament? o.O
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I'll show this to my sister... Maybe she gets some motivation to start playing :D And stop thinking that we are freaks >.<
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On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you.
Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter.
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On June 09 2011 23:04 LadyRevenge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you. Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter.
my opinion is that your opinion is dumb. Your username is sexist btw and a joke.
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This is gona bee good. Ill bee tuning in on the live stream.
I'll bee leaving sexism discussion out of my post.
I'll bee interested to see the skill level. No doubt above mine... bee
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Sweet, this is going to Bee a fun tournament to watch. I hope a Zerg girl wins ^_^
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On June 09 2011 03:26 LadyRevenge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:05 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 02:57 LadyRevenge wrote:
I am confused as to why there must be a seperate tournament. Why can't women play with everyone else? Why does gender matter? I feel this promotes sexism and further implies that women can't compete with men. Women are allowed to compete in other tournaments, there is no need to increase the gender gap and imply that women do not have the potential to compete against men. Furthermore, if this tournament was to be taken seriously I feel the original post should have been more professional. I'll agree with the last part. For the first part: when there is a gender gap, we tend to create a separate league for the other gender. This is a trend not just in starcraft but in real sports as well. Everyone recognizes that women have the potential to compete against men but because I think there are real barriers to that happening (i.e. harassment, social discouragement) I don't see the problem with creating a separate league here. There ARE barriers they face that men do not. There are only the barriers we create for ourselves. There is no need to advertise that we are female. I am relatively sure no one really cares if I am female or not. It doesn't matter. My gender does not affect my gameplay.
No they aren't. I wouldn't want to be in a community where I was sexually harassed. At the very least the increased stigma for a female playing a video game is real. Sure, guys might be seen as "nerdy" but I see gaming guys as generally more mainstream than gaming girls.
At the end of the day, I'm not sure why this is harmful to the cause of women in gaming. Let's say there are females out there who are incredibly good. This is a way they can showcase their skills to get picked up by pro teams. You may want everything to be "equal" with male gamers, but think of this as a sort of balance I guess--to make up for the higher barriers that women face.
Even if it was harmful, though, I think the harm would be fairly minimal since this tourney is pretty small and casual.
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On June 09 2011 23:08 CheekyDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 23:04 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you. Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter. my opinion is that your opinion is dumb. Your username is sexist btw and a joke.
And you imply that you are more expensive than a mothership and therefore a whore.
User was banned for this post.
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On June 09 2011 23:47 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 03:26 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 03:05 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 02:57 LadyRevenge wrote:
I am confused as to why there must be a seperate tournament. Why can't women play with everyone else? Why does gender matter? I feel this promotes sexism and further implies that women can't compete with men. Women are allowed to compete in other tournaments, there is no need to increase the gender gap and imply that women do not have the potential to compete against men. Furthermore, if this tournament was to be taken seriously I feel the original post should have been more professional. I'll agree with the last part. For the first part: when there is a gender gap, we tend to create a separate league for the other gender. This is a trend not just in starcraft but in real sports as well. Everyone recognizes that women have the potential to compete against men but because I think there are real barriers to that happening (i.e. harassment, social discouragement) I don't see the problem with creating a separate league here. There ARE barriers they face that men do not. There are only the barriers we create for ourselves. There is no need to advertise that we are female. I am relatively sure no one really cares if I am female or not. It doesn't matter. My gender does not affect my gameplay. No they aren't. I wouldn't want to be in a community where I was sexually harassed. At the very least the increased stigma for a female playing a video game is real. Sure, guys might be seen as "nerdy" but I see gaming guys as generally more mainstream than gaming girls. At the end of the day, I'm not sure why this is harmful to the cause of women in gaming. Let's say there are females out there who are incredibly good. This is a way they can showcase their skills to get picked up by pro teams. You may want everything to be "equal" with male gamers, but think of this as a sort of balance I guess--to make up for the higher barriers that women face. Even if it was harmful, though, I think the harm would be fairly minimal since this tourney is pretty small and casual.
I really don't want to derail this thread, but since the roll has already started... whatever.
I think it's slightly silly to say that a woman would get picked up by a pro team based on their performance in a female only tournament because there is no level of talent to judge against other than the other females they're playing against, if a team did pick them up, it would likely be for a female division which is kind of pointless at this point and would likely be for show. If a player gets picked up by a pro team, it'll be on their merit against actual pros, in tournaments where the requirement is to be good as opposed to being a specific gender.
I have problem with these tournaments at this level, while the prize pools remain small but to say that it could be a platform for recruitment for a pro team doesn't make sense to me.
On June 10 2011 00:40 LadyRevenge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 23:08 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 23:04 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you. Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter. my opinion is that your opinion is dumb. Your username is sexist btw and a joke. And you imply that you are more expensive than a mothership and therefore a whore.
Let's keep it civil.
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On June 10 2011 00:49 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 23:47 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 03:26 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 03:05 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 02:57 LadyRevenge wrote:
I am confused as to why there must be a seperate tournament. Why can't women play with everyone else? Why does gender matter? I feel this promotes sexism and further implies that women can't compete with men. Women are allowed to compete in other tournaments, there is no need to increase the gender gap and imply that women do not have the potential to compete against men. Furthermore, if this tournament was to be taken seriously I feel the original post should have been more professional. I'll agree with the last part. For the first part: when there is a gender gap, we tend to create a separate league for the other gender. This is a trend not just in starcraft but in real sports as well. Everyone recognizes that women have the potential to compete against men but because I think there are real barriers to that happening (i.e. harassment, social discouragement) I don't see the problem with creating a separate league here. There ARE barriers they face that men do not. There are only the barriers we create for ourselves. There is no need to advertise that we are female. I am relatively sure no one really cares if I am female or not. It doesn't matter. My gender does not affect my gameplay. No they aren't. I wouldn't want to be in a community where I was sexually harassed. At the very least the increased stigma for a female playing a video game is real. Sure, guys might be seen as "nerdy" but I see gaming guys as generally more mainstream than gaming girls. At the end of the day, I'm not sure why this is harmful to the cause of women in gaming. Let's say there are females out there who are incredibly good. This is a way they can showcase their skills to get picked up by pro teams. You may want everything to be "equal" with male gamers, but think of this as a sort of balance I guess--to make up for the higher barriers that women face. Even if it was harmful, though, I think the harm would be fairly minimal since this tourney is pretty small and casual. I really don't want to derail this thread, but since the roll has already started... whatever. I think it's slightly silly to say that a woman would get picked up by a pro team based on their performance in a female only tournament because there is no level of talent to judge against other than the other females they're playing against, if a team did pick them up, it would likely be for a female division which is kind of pointless at this point and would likely be for show. If a player gets picked up by a pro team, it'll be on their merit against actual pros, in tournaments where the requirement is to be good as opposed to being a specific gender. I have problem with these tournaments at this level, while the prize pools remain small but to say that it could be a platform for recruitment for a pro team doesn't make sense to me. Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:40 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 23:08 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 23:04 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you. Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter. my opinion is that your opinion is dumb. Your username is sexist btw and a joke. And you imply that you are more expensive than a mothership and therefore a whore. Let's keep it civil. Right, I didn't mean based on this tournament alone. Nor would female only competition be the only place a female could get exposure. However, let's keep in mind that this community is based, in large part, on invitations. Because of that the more exposure a player gets the better. Perhaps tournaments like this alone would do nothing but if a player gets noticed they could be seen by pro/semi-pro teams or smaller tournaments and get invited. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but I don't so how it would HURT the cause.
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On June 10 2011 00:57 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:49 Mordiford wrote:On June 09 2011 23:47 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 03:26 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 03:05 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 02:57 LadyRevenge wrote:
I am confused as to why there must be a seperate tournament. Why can't women play with everyone else? Why does gender matter? I feel this promotes sexism and further implies that women can't compete with men. Women are allowed to compete in other tournaments, there is no need to increase the gender gap and imply that women do not have the potential to compete against men. Furthermore, if this tournament was to be taken seriously I feel the original post should have been more professional. I'll agree with the last part. For the first part: when there is a gender gap, we tend to create a separate league for the other gender. This is a trend not just in starcraft but in real sports as well. Everyone recognizes that women have the potential to compete against men but because I think there are real barriers to that happening (i.e. harassment, social discouragement) I don't see the problem with creating a separate league here. There ARE barriers they face that men do not. There are only the barriers we create for ourselves. There is no need to advertise that we are female. I am relatively sure no one really cares if I am female or not. It doesn't matter. My gender does not affect my gameplay. No they aren't. I wouldn't want to be in a community where I was sexually harassed. At the very least the increased stigma for a female playing a video game is real. Sure, guys might be seen as "nerdy" but I see gaming guys as generally more mainstream than gaming girls. At the end of the day, I'm not sure why this is harmful to the cause of women in gaming. Let's say there are females out there who are incredibly good. This is a way they can showcase their skills to get picked up by pro teams. You may want everything to be "equal" with male gamers, but think of this as a sort of balance I guess--to make up for the higher barriers that women face. Even if it was harmful, though, I think the harm would be fairly minimal since this tourney is pretty small and casual. I really don't want to derail this thread, but since the roll has already started... whatever. I think it's slightly silly to say that a woman would get picked up by a pro team based on their performance in a female only tournament because there is no level of talent to judge against other than the other females they're playing against, if a team did pick them up, it would likely be for a female division which is kind of pointless at this point and would likely be for show. If a player gets picked up by a pro team, it'll be on their merit against actual pros, in tournaments where the requirement is to be good as opposed to being a specific gender. I have problem with these tournaments at this level, while the prize pools remain small but to say that it could be a platform for recruitment for a pro team doesn't make sense to me. On June 10 2011 00:40 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 23:08 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 23:04 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you. Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter. my opinion is that your opinion is dumb. Your username is sexist btw and a joke. And you imply that you are more expensive than a mothership and therefore a whore. Let's keep it civil. Right, I didn't mean based on this tournament alone. Nor would female only competition be the only place a female could get exposure. However, let's keep in mind that this community is based, in large part, on invitations. Because of that the more exposure a player gets the better. Perhaps tournaments like this alone would do nothing but if a player gets noticed they could be seen by pro/semi-pro teams or smaller tournaments and get invited. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but I don't so how it would HURT the cause.
If it's for the novelty of being female, that's wrong as well and I wouldn't support it. If it's on their skill that they get an invite to a bigger tournament, then it'll be on their performance in an existing open tournament where they compete with no restrictions based on gender, anything else would be quite wrong in my opinion, a girl getting invited to an invitational tournament based on their results in a female only tournament over any top-mid-low tier pro would be really stupid in my opinion.
Like I said, these tournaments can encourage women to get involved, which is fine, but I'm starting to slowly see the prize pools in some of these increase and that's something I don't want to see. It's a good tool to push women into the scene, but you shouldn't be able to sustain yourself as a competitor playing against limited opponents when there's no reason to believe you have any physical limitations barring you from competing against a wider array of opponents.
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Good luck girls, hope someone finally breaks through like Tossgirl did in the BW scene! (better hopefully). Been a long long wait for a strong female player 
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On June 10 2011 01:03 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 00:57 DamageControL wrote:On June 10 2011 00:49 Mordiford wrote:On June 09 2011 23:47 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 03:26 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 03:05 DamageControL wrote:On June 09 2011 02:57 LadyRevenge wrote:
I am confused as to why there must be a seperate tournament. Why can't women play with everyone else? Why does gender matter? I feel this promotes sexism and further implies that women can't compete with men. Women are allowed to compete in other tournaments, there is no need to increase the gender gap and imply that women do not have the potential to compete against men. Furthermore, if this tournament was to be taken seriously I feel the original post should have been more professional. I'll agree with the last part. For the first part: when there is a gender gap, we tend to create a separate league for the other gender. This is a trend not just in starcraft but in real sports as well. Everyone recognizes that women have the potential to compete against men but because I think there are real barriers to that happening (i.e. harassment, social discouragement) I don't see the problem with creating a separate league here. There ARE barriers they face that men do not. There are only the barriers we create for ourselves. There is no need to advertise that we are female. I am relatively sure no one really cares if I am female or not. It doesn't matter. My gender does not affect my gameplay. No they aren't. I wouldn't want to be in a community where I was sexually harassed. At the very least the increased stigma for a female playing a video game is real. Sure, guys might be seen as "nerdy" but I see gaming guys as generally more mainstream than gaming girls. At the end of the day, I'm not sure why this is harmful to the cause of women in gaming. Let's say there are females out there who are incredibly good. This is a way they can showcase their skills to get picked up by pro teams. You may want everything to be "equal" with male gamers, but think of this as a sort of balance I guess--to make up for the higher barriers that women face. Even if it was harmful, though, I think the harm would be fairly minimal since this tourney is pretty small and casual. I really don't want to derail this thread, but since the roll has already started... whatever. I think it's slightly silly to say that a woman would get picked up by a pro team based on their performance in a female only tournament because there is no level of talent to judge against other than the other females they're playing against, if a team did pick them up, it would likely be for a female division which is kind of pointless at this point and would likely be for show. If a player gets picked up by a pro team, it'll be on their merit against actual pros, in tournaments where the requirement is to be good as opposed to being a specific gender. I have problem with these tournaments at this level, while the prize pools remain small but to say that it could be a platform for recruitment for a pro team doesn't make sense to me. On June 10 2011 00:40 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 23:08 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 23:04 LadyRevenge wrote:On June 09 2011 09:59 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 09 2011 03:41 vOdToasT wrote:On June 07 2011 09:46 CheekyDuck wrote:On June 07 2011 09:43 StarStruck wrote:
Cheeky I think the trophy should be pink. O; I thought so too, but i was told that would be too sexist. lol. You make a female only tournament and worry about sexism, lol. that was the joke =/ LadyRevenge: something is wrong with you. Thank you for proving how incredibly unprofessional you are. Sexism is not a joke and there is nothing wrong with me simply because of my opinion on this matter. my opinion is that your opinion is dumb. Your username is sexist btw and a joke. And you imply that you are more expensive than a mothership and therefore a whore. Let's keep it civil. Right, I didn't mean based on this tournament alone. Nor would female only competition be the only place a female could get exposure. However, let's keep in mind that this community is based, in large part, on invitations. Because of that the more exposure a player gets the better. Perhaps tournaments like this alone would do nothing but if a player gets noticed they could be seen by pro/semi-pro teams or smaller tournaments and get invited. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but I don't so how it would HURT the cause. If it's for the novelty of being female, that's wrong as well and I wouldn't support it. If it's on their skill that they get an invite to a bigger tournament, then it'll be on their performance in an existing open tournament where they compete with no restrictions based on gender, anything else would be quite wrong in my opinion, a girl getting invited to an invitational tournament based on their results in a female only tournament over any top-mid-low tier pro would be really stupid in my opinion. Like I said, these tournaments can encourage women to get involved, which is fine, but I'm starting to slowly see the prize pools in some of these increase and that's something I don't want to see. It's a good tool to push women into the scene, but you shouldn't be able to sustain yourself as a competitor playing against limited opponents when there's no reason to believe you have any physical limitations barring you from competing against a wider array of opponents.
So in other words, organizations like FIBA, the swedish elite league for hockey or MLS shouldn't exist because there are no physical limitations preventing those players from playing in the NBA, NHL or premier league?
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Calgary26001 Posts
This is no different than a gold-only tournament, German-only tournament or Zerg-only tournament. It's just a fun event. Not every event has to be all-enclusive or playing at the highest level.
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