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On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote: Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!
A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.
Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.
Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)
Sincearly, Concerned fan.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH!
This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.
Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?
Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.
Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?
I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.
Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.
Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....
They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?
+1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers
I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney. Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000. You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.
And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.
I'm not saying "BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG. I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.
These aren't really the best Koreans. And to tell you the truth, they made the games at MLG 10 times better than they would of been. I wouldn't be staying up watching this if the games weren't brought up to such high levels by the Koreans.
On June 06 2011 07:36 SoSexy wrote: And they say zerg is the most mobile race. A nerf for dropships is seriously needed
I dont see why High level zergs dont double-up on CRUCIAL buildings at far expos.
No reason to have the entire game riding on a single structure.
I agree with you whole heartedly, i find it astonishing at times when zergs put all there main structures at one location allowing drops to devastate them. I mean whats another 200 minerals on a spawning pool on 3-4 base?
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote: Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!
A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.
Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.
Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)
Sincearly, Concerned fan.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH!
This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.
I found it kinda funny how he talks about growing the NA scene and you talk about 2 europeans. How far is it okay to fly to steal your money? And since he quoted the first prize, $5k, why didn't he mention the other first prize, Code S?
Everyone besides the Koreans paid their own way. The Koreans get a free invite to get some free money and kill the western scene. There is a huge difference. If a Korean wants to pay to come to an event and he wins I would support that and cheer him on.
Also, as has been discussed, CODE A is the only thing available this tourny, and most all the pro's agree that Code A is a joke and they wouldn't even bother accepting.
Gsl paid for foreigners flights in world tournament.
Also GSL actually pays more in this exchange seeing as they provide housing for over a month. I believe they even drive players to and from the studio.
On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote: So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.
These are pretty close to the top Koreans. MC is generally recognized as #1 Protoss, Losira/July as arguably the best non-Nestea Zergs, and MMA is one of the best Korean Terrans.
Korea could have sent a stronger crew, but not by much.
On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote: So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.
Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.
Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter.
There has to be some kind of wrap up show of this MLG with SotG. Dont want to hear only the EG talk their bias at inside the game. Need the opinion of tyler and Day9 with JP lighting the fire with some troll talk.
On June 06 2011 07:39 Fleebenworth wrote: This MLG has been great on nearly every front, but I think we can all agree that the next one could use slightly less generic, shitty rock/metal with obnoxious drum rolls and power chords. I'm not asking them to play Shpongle, but honestly any variation would be a relief.
I'd say a bit more Benny Hill Theme would suffice. And maybe some
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote: Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!
A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.
Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.
Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)
Sincearly, Concerned fan.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH!
This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.
Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?
Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.
Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?
I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.
Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.
Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....
They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?
+1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers
I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney. Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000. You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.
And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.
I'm not saying "BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG. I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.
The point is its an exchange program, americans dont have to fight for their points in the GSL anymore if they placle high in MLG so its the same on both ends, the difference is that the general consensus of koreans is they want to see more foreigners in the GSL and then we have a bunch of people over here who want white only tournaments =/
Edit: I think its more inspiring for kids to look up to players with the highest skill level korean or not , not someone who won because they played in a tournament with only average players, race has nothing to do with who you look up to unless you are racist or you were raised that way, sounds like you were raised that way and its kind of a shame.
The most amazing thing about this MLG is you're going to be able to get a ton of replays of Korean players in pro matches and you'll be able to analyze them to your heart's content.
On June 06 2011 07:33 cheesemaster wrote: so losira plays mc? and then the winner of that plays mma?
Yes.
And this might be the first MLG without an extended series finals!
Idra-Select at DC.
Are there ever extended series in the finals? :s
I'm pretty sure Kiwikaki simply beat Naniwa 2-1 in the first series of the final and then lost 2-0 the second. I could be wrong though, but afaik the finlas are never extended series, but two series instead.
EPT
