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Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21961

On June 06 2011 07:38 Fubi wrote:
MMA plays like a random diamond level player when he's not pressured...

Why do people say stuff like this? I wish I could play as well as MMA at his worst.

thefreed

United States222 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21962

On June 06 2011 07:38 YodaGoneMad wrote:

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On June 06 2011 07:15 SKC wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

I found it kinda funny how he talks about growing the NA scene and you talk about 2 europeans. How far is it okay to fly to steal your money? And since he quoted the first prize, $5k, why didn't he mention the other first prize, Code S?

Everyone besides the Koreans paid their own way. The Koreans get a free invite to get some free money and kill the western scene. There is a huge difference. If a Korean wants to pay to come to an event and he wins I would support that and cheer him on.

Also, as has been discussed, CODE A is the only thing available this tourny, and most all the pro's agree that Code A is a joke and they wouldn't even bother accepting.

Gsl paid for foreigners flights in world tournament.

DonaldLee

586 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21963

On June 06 2011 07:39 Trawler wrote:

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This

NO ONE GETS CODE S FROM THIS MLG.

CODE S WILL BE AWARDED FROM ANAHEIM FORWARD.

Kantutan

Canada1319 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21964

Admins really need to add to that thread disclaimer that no Code S will be granted based off this tournament and IdrA, Naniwa, and Slush have the opportunity to take a Code A spot.

mholden02

387 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21965

Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.

If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three.

Serpico

4285 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21966

On June 06 2011 07:39 CellTech wrote:

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I dont see why High level zergs dont double-up on CRUCIAL buildings at far expos.

No reason to have the entire game riding on a single structure.

oh, and inb4 ban

because it's extremely inefficient? Might as well say terran should have 3 bunkers at each expo and 5 turrets just to be super safe. It's inefficient and a waste of resources.

Maskedsatyr

Singapore1245 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21967

On June 06 2011 07:39 Fleebenworth wrote:
This MLG has been great on nearly every front, but I think we can all agree that the next one could use slightly less generic, shitty rock/metal with obnoxious drum rolls and power chords. I'm not asking them to play Shpongle, but honestly any variation would be a relief.

And thats why euro events are better

Sylverin

United States480 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21968

On June 06 2011 07:37 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
O shi- a ZvP after Idra lost to a P... incoming 500+ pages of balance QQ...

I'm 100% MC fan but I kind of hope Losira wins to put this balance whine to rest....

The balance whine will never end despite most zergs doing outrageously good this tournament IdrA still said to MC Zerg isnt meant to win against protoss. People will never just accept things how they are and adapt themselves.

OT: I really wanted LosirA to win that but now that its him vs. mc, MC ALL THE WAY BABY! HAIL TO THE KING

Niruz

Sweden169 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21969

Why is the losira vs mc match coming up? Isnt the third place match before the finals?

Svartstol

Sweden171 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21970

On June 06 2011 07:35 Serpico wrote:

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On June 06 2011 07:33 Svartstol wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:29 Munchkin wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:23 Serpico wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:22 Heavenly wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:18 YodaGoneMad wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:06 Fionn wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:05 YodaGoneMad wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:01 DueSs wrote:

On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.

yes.. random koreans. they are random. july, mma, MC, and losira are random koreans. truly random.

gtfo

Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players.

Then don't watch?

What do you want? Not let them play because they're better than the players you know? Let Idra win the tournament because he is someone you know?

And Koreans do stream. They do do twitter. Not your fault you don't follow them.

Not in english.

Yes, I wish the biggest Western tournament would not invite any more Koreans. If they want to fly over and own the open bracket with their own money then go for it. But giving them free flight, free hotel, free placement, just so they can sweep the money and kill the western scene, that makes me angry.

Maybe they should take the game seriously if they want to consider themselves pros? The biggest tournament in Korea that has a $25000 monthly prize allows seeds into it from MLG, it is FULLY the fault of the foreigners that they simply are not good enough to take that prize.

LOL you really think foreigners dont take this seriously? ok, so it's either mimic korean's exactly or be called an amateur.

It is well known that prominen foreginer players don't practice as much as even they self feel they should.
Players who we know have admitted this:
- Liquid'Ret
- Liquid'Tyler
- EGiNcontroL
- EGIdra

This is like.. the top of the top of foregin SC2 scene...

I can see why, they are making more money streaming and goofing around in sotg etc than if they where just practising.
I understand that they need to get food on their tables and they really do alot for the esports but practise should be their no1 priority imo.

I'm almost certain idra has said he feels he plays better when he doesnt grind out games practicing. Might have misheard that.

That might be true for Idra, but for the rest of them?
I don't know though.. It's such a shame that all westerners got beaten. I hope they recognize the need for more practise otherwise it'll just be another GSL rather than "who is the best in the western scene" as MLG used to be.

KimJongChill

United States6429 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21971

On June 06 2011 07:38 Heavenly wrote:
I'm gonna so be disappointed if Losira seriously tries to roach/ling all in MC. It hasn't worked a single time today but every single zerg has tried and failed. It's really weird too, MC just seems to be able to completely crush it maybe losing a couple units where I've seen a ton of protoss downright fall to it. Maybe one gate expo into 3gate stargate is the new 3gate expo?

Haha i'd love to see a third hatch cancel 7rr running into a 2 cannon wall-in with a void-ray chronoing on the way :b

FliedLice

Germany7494 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21972

On June 06 2011 07:37 BlackOmega wrote:

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You care less for the Koreans because they don't participate in tournaments you watch. So they are boring to watch when they participate in tournaments you watch?

Don't play dumb, it's pretty easy to understand what he means.
Koreans flying to western events is a relatively new thing, if you watch western tournaments you obviously are way more familiar with western players than players like MMA, Losira or July.

instant

84 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21973

On June 06 2011 07:39 bkrow wrote:

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I don't get it; i think he displayed a lot more strengths than weaknesses in that game. He went for a really risky opener and managed to come back from being busted and having lings in his main and nat a few times. Sure he didn't show bonjwa level play, but appreciate the beauty of what he just accomplished

sniping spawning pools and baneling nests while pushing into Losira's expansions was really clutch play and the multi tasking he displayed was pretty sexy

gotta agree with you here. simply astounding play from MMA. I've believed from the beginning!

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21974

nice back home in time for loser's finals

chocopaw

2072 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21975

On June 06 2011 07:35 Stenstyren wrote:

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On June 06 2011 07:30 jj33 wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:22 Ryka wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:20 jj33 wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:18 hmmm... wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:14 YodaGoneMad wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:04 mordk wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:00 Genome852 wrote:
MMA did "wall in" with the CC at first. But he made the mistake of not realizing that the CC has a rounded model, even if the grid is a square... so lings just ran by the sides of the CC.

What? Are you implying games aren't worth watching just because of the players' nationality? They aren't "random Koreans" either. So stupid....

Don't reply to these comments.. people watch games for different reasons. I do because I love starcraft, which means I'll be happy to watch koreans at the top if they are truly the best. Other people watch for the hype, and they feel more excited when their homies play. I understand the feelings of many people, although I feel that shouldn't make them miss quality starcraft games.

There is no shortage of quality games, what makes MLG and other tournaments special to me is cheering for personalities I know. Just having random amazing players, that don't speak the language, that are not involved in the western scene (don't stream, don't go on shows, don't contribute) I just don't care about their results.

A korean wins, which one? I certainly don't care, in fact, koreans will take home all the big money, because they are top 3.

bitter foreigner much?

you're a fucking racist.

he absolutely is.

It's not racist to only be interested in watching players you know.

I don't care about watching barcelona vs real madrid in the champions league, but as soon as a british team's involved I will watch!

No he is racist. If Koreans were considered a "white race" he'd have no problem with it.

His whining comes down to racist under the guise of all his other bullshit he's spouting.

Oh and also players he knows? this is a global game, anybody who follows sc2, knows alot of korean players. please.

It's not racist, I care much less for the Koreans, not because they are Koreans but because they don't participate in any tournaments I watch. This means that I neither love not hate them and thus their games become boring to watch, no emotions at all from my side.

I am unfortunately not a big enough Starcraft fan to watch games just because the player who plays them is good, I'm mostly watching for excitement.

How does that even make sense? Excitement comes from good games. Can anybody who likes Starcraft watch the GSL and not get excited?

"No he is racist. If Koreans were considered a "white race" he'd have no problem with it."
This. /discussion.

johnnyspazz

Taiwan1470 Posts

June 05 2011 22:40 GMT

#21976

On June 06 2011 07:38 SpecFire wrote:

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Agreed man agreeed

WEEEE CANT BE DEFEATEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

WEE YOOO WEE YOO WE YOO WE YOOOO WE YAAA!

GOGOGOGO MMA GET THAT CODE S SPOT!

question: please answer, is MMA guarenteed CODE S SLOT??? He is GUARANTEED SECOND PLACE and BOTH MC and LOSIRA are in Code S.

no one is getting into gsl from this mlg

doffe

Sweden636 Posts

June 05 2011 22:41 GMT

#21977

On June 06 2011 07:38 iyoume wrote:

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I was referring to the CODE A spots, they are in fact not avaliable for Koreans.. Code S is not awarded in this MLG I am aware.

how many times does it need to be said for people to understand. Code S spot isn't being given in this MLG

FILM

United States663 Posts

June 05 2011 22:41 GMT

#21978

I do like what someone said, MMA "created" timing for himself. Interesting.

Necro)Phagist(

Canada6657 Posts

June 05 2011 22:41 GMT

#21979

On June 06 2011 07:37 BlackOmega wrote:

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You care less for the Koreans because they don't participate in tournaments you watch. So they are boring to watch when they participate in tournaments you watch?

lol Circular logic FTW xD

on a serious not complaining about having only Koreans left is one of the dumbest things I have ever herd... its like complaining because the two best teams in(Insert sport here) are meeting in the finals.... even if its not you're favourite team its still going to be entertaining, and is that not what sports and e-sports is supposed to be about?