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On June 02 2011 15:31 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:08 bwin wrote:
I mean, if your entire business is structured around the internet, it is your responsibility to make sure the internet is stable. I understand shit happens but to say that nothing could have been done to prevent this just sounds like you're trying to pass off blame. You are right. We literally could have an internet crew out every single day checking the infrastructure over and over again. But what if it happened anyways? Was it our fault for not hiring a better crew? But what if it happened to the best crew money could buy? Were we supposed to have it hard wired to the actual TV/Monitor of each viewer? At some point we say "sorry" and "we want to make sure it doesn't happen again" but that also doesn't mean you get to claim that we shoulda hired God to make sure there was no way it could happen.
Really Inc? THIS is what you respond to? Alot of people has asked valid questions and the one you actually adress is this. Is it just so you can use your extreme wit and skill with sarcasm or what, it just seems silly. Its not like anyone actually think its NASLs fault if the ISP goes down, or atleast noone with a brain.
What about the question to why you do not announce W/O precast instead of pregame, would be appreciated. Or does an answer to this grant to few opportunities to sarcasm?
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On June 02 2011 16:27 MrProb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:31 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:27 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:24 SpiritAshura wrote:On June 02 2011 15:23 Psyclon wrote:
Who knew Moon was capable of such monstrous play! anyone who saw him dominate wc3, perhaps this is moons coming out party for sc2? now grubby needs to...  Give it time. All the WC3 players are finally starting to come around... Grubby just came into the SC2 scene much later than any of the others so he has a ways to go. MVP played for around two months and won GSL, sixjax kitty has played for less time than Grubby and is way better. The excuse that Grubby "just needs more time" is really getting old. how about grubby 3-0'd and 2-0'd morrow lately ?
So ? Stop citing 2,3 bo3s wins plz. He got another brazillion losses and he did look territerribad and worse every time
And I'm the next one who stops buying that "just pick up the game" bullshit. He probably had played SC2 long before he "declared" the switch in early this year. It's the same with Moon, Lyn but they managed to get into GSL after 2 months and look formidable now. Therer more examples of how pros picked up the game and owning face so fast like mvp, Nestea (but I guess u guys can make another excuses). Srsly Grubby is bad at this game, fanboys should accept it.
On a side note, creating an one-man team was definitely an arrogant and stupid move. Hes not some kind of sc2 god whos above everyone else and can improve on his own, fact is that hes worse than 49 NASL players. Even BoxeR in his prime needed to build a team for himself.
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On June 02 2011 17:11 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 16:27 MrProb wrote:On June 02 2011 15:31 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:27 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:24 SpiritAshura wrote:On June 02 2011 15:23 Psyclon wrote:
Who knew Moon was capable of such monstrous play! anyone who saw him dominate wc3, perhaps this is moons coming out party for sc2? now grubby needs to... Give it time. All the WC3 players are finally starting to come around... Grubby just came into the SC2 scene much later than any of the others so he has a ways to go. MVP played for around two months and won GSL, sixjax kitty has played for less time than Grubby and is way better. The excuse that Grubby "just needs more time" is really getting old. how about grubby 3-0'd and 2-0'd morrow lately ? So ? Stop citing 2,3 bo3s wins plz. He got another brazillion losses and he did look territerribad and worse every time And I'm the next one who stops buying that "just pick up the game" bullshit. He probably had played SC2 long before he "declared" the switch in early this year. It's the same with Moon, Lyn but they managed to get into GSL after 2 months and look formidable now. Therer more examples of how pros picked up the game and owning face so fast like mvp, Nestea (but I guess u guys can make another excuses). Srsly Grubby is bad at this game, fanboys should accept it. On a side note, creating an one-man team was definitely an arrogant and stupid move. Hes not some kind of sc2 god whos above everyone else and can improve on his own, fact is that hes worse than 49 NASL players. Even BoxeR in his prime needed to build a team for himself.
haha, you make me laugh, Grubby started and turned to sc2 exclsuively in janurary so had had 6 months comapred to everyone else who played BETA and since release. The game has changed so much in the last 6 months comapred to the first 6 months. Moon and LYn have played since release and probbaly Beta and qualified for the GSLs when the kroeans were still finding the game. Grubby lost to artosis 2-0 yes, but in a PVP. Hi look at HuK's results in pvp. PvP was at the time pretty much random. He also came 3rd in copenhagon, and sa long as he keeps entering tournaments with his drive and experience will win more, if he still hasnt done anything after a year of playing the game exclusively (which is in another 6 months) then you can say he isnt delivering, problem is with WCG now going to use was it WC3? or was that ESWC im not sure, the is nothing to gurantee who wont start playing a bit more wc3 for those tournemanets incase he doesnt qualify for sc2.
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On June 02 2011 15:42 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:33 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:31 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:27 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:24 SpiritAshura wrote:On June 02 2011 15:23 Psyclon wrote:
Who knew Moon was capable of such monstrous play! anyone who saw him dominate wc3, perhaps this is moons coming out party for sc2? now grubby needs to... Give it time. All the WC3 players are finally starting to come around... Grubby just came into the SC2 scene much later than any of the others so he has a ways to go. MVP played for around two months and won GSL, sixjax kitty has played for less time than Grubby and is way better. The excuse that Grubby "just needs more time" is really getting old. WC3 and BW are two completely different games. It takes way more time to adapt from a WC3 background than a BW background. Thorzain has been playing SC2 since the beta and it took him more than half a year before he really started to excel. Same with Naniwa. You're entitled to your opinion, but I guarantee you somewhere down the line Grubby will be a beast in the european scene. Maybe if Grubby actually showed signs of improvement I would buy into the excuses that he simply needs more time, but in the NASL he has displayed worse and worse results. His best days were (imo) against Moon and Fenix and since then he has steadily gone downhill, even losing to Artosis who doesn't even play the game full time. It is also not as though Grubby is the only WC3 player to recently switch. In fact, Happy and Violet both have WC3 backgrounds and made the transition far more seamlessly than Grubby has. Grubby simply hasn't delivered after all the hype was thrown on him. Show nested quote +MVP had been playing longer than two months before he won his GSL... GSL 2 (his competitive debut) started in early October last year and he won in late January. I'd imagine he was playing a little bit before that as well. The competition back then was not as good as it is now. Also, he lost to Zenio and choya, two people which most people overlook these days. You are right, from the time he debuted to when he beat MKP it was almost exactly 3 months. Hard to know for sure exactly when he started playing SC2 since he retired from BW only a few months before his debut in GSL.
Happy and viOlet have both been playing for ages...
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On June 02 2011 17:11 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 16:27 MrProb wrote:On June 02 2011 15:31 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:27 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:24 SpiritAshura wrote:On June 02 2011 15:23 Psyclon wrote:
Who knew Moon was capable of such monstrous play! anyone who saw him dominate wc3, perhaps this is moons coming out party for sc2? now grubby needs to... Give it time. All the WC3 players are finally starting to come around... Grubby just came into the SC2 scene much later than any of the others so he has a ways to go. MVP played for around two months and won GSL, sixjax kitty has played for less time than Grubby and is way better. The excuse that Grubby "just needs more time" is really getting old. how about grubby 3-0'd and 2-0'd morrow lately ? So ? Stop citing 2,3 bo3s wins plz. He got another brazillion losses and he did look territerribad and worse every time And I'm the next one who stops buying that "just pick up the game" bullshit. He probably had played SC2 long before he "declared" the switch in early this year. It's the same with Moon, Lyn but they managed to get into GSL after 2 months and look formidable now. Therer more examples of how pros picked up the game and owning face so fast like mvp, Nestea (but I guess u guys can make another excuses). Srsly Grubby is bad at this game, fanboys should accept it. On a side note, creating an one-man team was definitely an arrogant and stupid move. Hes not some kind of sc2 god whos above everyone else and can improve on his own, fact is that hes worse than 49 NASL players. Even BoxeR in his prime needed to build a team for himself.
he "probably" had played SC2 long before. . . probably huh
owning so fast like mvp, nestea. . . yea cuz they both started since forever just like everyone else when the metagame and build were still evolving (even now they're still evolving)
Grubby is bad at this game . . . yes, he is bad show me someone whos saying hes a great player ? zzzzzzz not even a fanboy has said that hes doing good.
I dont see anything wrong with creating a one-man team, in fact, i dont even care at all, its his decision.Who said hes sc2 god ? his fanboys ? me ? no, none . . actually it was you
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On June 02 2011 17:35 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:42 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:33 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:31 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:27 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:24 SpiritAshura wrote:On June 02 2011 15:23 Psyclon wrote:
Who knew Moon was capable of such monstrous play! anyone who saw him dominate wc3, perhaps this is moons coming out party for sc2? now grubby needs to... Give it time. All the WC3 players are finally starting to come around... Grubby just came into the SC2 scene much later than any of the others so he has a ways to go. MVP played for around two months and won GSL, sixjax kitty has played for less time than Grubby and is way better. The excuse that Grubby "just needs more time" is really getting old. WC3 and BW are two completely different games. It takes way more time to adapt from a WC3 background than a BW background. Thorzain has been playing SC2 since the beta and it took him more than half a year before he really started to excel. Same with Naniwa. You're entitled to your opinion, but I guarantee you somewhere down the line Grubby will be a beast in the european scene. Maybe if Grubby actually showed signs of improvement I would buy into the excuses that he simply needs more time, but in the NASL he has displayed worse and worse results. His best days were (imo) against Moon and Fenix and since then he has steadily gone downhill, even losing to Artosis who doesn't even play the game full time. It is also not as though Grubby is the only WC3 player to recently switch. In fact, Happy and Violet both have WC3 backgrounds and made the transition far more seamlessly than Grubby has. Grubby simply hasn't delivered after all the hype was thrown on him. MVP had been playing longer than two months before he won his GSL... GSL 2 (his competitive debut) started in early October last year and he won in late January. I'd imagine he was playing a little bit before that as well. The competition back then was not as good as it is now. Also, he lost to Zenio and choya, two people which most people overlook these days. You are right, from the time he debuted to when he beat MKP it was almost exactly 3 months. Hard to know for sure exactly when he started playing SC2 since he retired from BW only a few months before his debut in GSL. Happy and viOlet have both been playing for ages...
My information comes from TLPD, which has the earliest information on Happy dating back to March. I'm not going to debate on who started laddering first, but going by TLPD Happy started after Grubby and has accomplished much more.
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On June 02 2011 15:31 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 15:08 bwin wrote:
I mean, if your entire business is structured around the internet, it is your responsibility to make sure the internet is stable. I understand shit happens but to say that nothing could have been done to prevent this just sounds like you're trying to pass off blame. You are right. We literally could have an internet crew out every single day checking the infrastructure over and over again. But what if it happened anyways? Was it our fault for not hiring a better crew? But what if it happened to the best crew money could buy? Were we supposed to have it hard wired to the actual TV/Monitor of each viewer? At some point we say "sorry" and "we want to make sure it doesn't happen again" but that also doesn't mean you get to claim that we shoulda hired God to make sure there was no way it could happen.
Dude, I work in a random small company with 20 people, almost in the 3rd world, and we have main and 2(two) backup internet providers, so we can continue work if shit happens...
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That's because Happy only started playing in tournaments recently  He was spamming ladder playing games by the thousands which eventually turned him into a good player.
Grubby on the other hand kind of jumped into the deep end and went off to tournaments even though he was very inexperienced.
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On June 02 2011 17:44 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 17:35 AxionSteel wrote:On June 02 2011 15:42 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:33 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:31 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 15:27 DoomsVille wrote:On June 02 2011 15:24 SpiritAshura wrote:On June 02 2011 15:23 Psyclon wrote:
Who knew Moon was capable of such monstrous play! anyone who saw him dominate wc3, perhaps this is moons coming out party for sc2? now grubby needs to... Give it time. All the WC3 players are finally starting to come around... Grubby just came into the SC2 scene much later than any of the others so he has a ways to go. MVP played for around two months and won GSL, sixjax kitty has played for less time than Grubby and is way better. The excuse that Grubby "just needs more time" is really getting old. WC3 and BW are two completely different games. It takes way more time to adapt from a WC3 background than a BW background. Thorzain has been playing SC2 since the beta and it took him more than half a year before he really started to excel. Same with Naniwa. You're entitled to your opinion, but I guarantee you somewhere down the line Grubby will be a beast in the european scene. Maybe if Grubby actually showed signs of improvement I would buy into the excuses that he simply needs more time, but in the NASL he has displayed worse and worse results. His best days were (imo) against Moon and Fenix and since then he has steadily gone downhill, even losing to Artosis who doesn't even play the game full time. It is also not as though Grubby is the only WC3 player to recently switch. In fact, Happy and Violet both have WC3 backgrounds and made the transition far more seamlessly than Grubby has. Grubby simply hasn't delivered after all the hype was thrown on him. MVP had been playing longer than two months before he won his GSL... GSL 2 (his competitive debut) started in early October last year and he won in late January. I'd imagine he was playing a little bit before that as well. The competition back then was not as good as it is now. Also, he lost to Zenio and choya, two people which most people overlook these days. You are right, from the time he debuted to when he beat MKP it was almost exactly 3 months. Hard to know for sure exactly when he started playing SC2 since he retired from BW only a few months before his debut in GSL. Happy and viOlet have both been playing for ages... My information comes from TLPD, which has the earliest information on Happy dating back to March. I'm not going to debate on who started laddering first, but going by TLPD Happy started after Grubby and has accomplished much more.
Grubby just announced about switching to sc2 not long ago... you can google it
He was still competing in wc3 tourneys not long before
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So this WO for Rainbow, does it give map points too?
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Great games, thanks guys 
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Moon able to stomp Kiwikaki? Signs of things to come at MLG? I don't think he can be counted out or overlooked like he generally has been.
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Looks like this group is in for a nice finish with Morrow-Sheth and Moon-Fenix. Morrow is leading the pack of those four on 7-1, and the other three are on 6-2. They are the only ones now with legitimate chances of getting top two.
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So artosis doesn't play because of a lack of internet? Isn't korea the land of infinite pc bangs? I feel for nasl with the amount of wo's, it's getting a bit embarrassing. Hopefully they'll be able to come up with a system in season two, which either adds a more severe penalty for not playing or a more flexible way of scheduling.
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On June 02 2011 19:21 m0ck wrote:
So artosis doesn't play because of a lack of internet? Isn't korea the land of infinite pc bangs? I feel for nasl with the amount of wo's, it's getting a bit embarrassing. Hopefully they'll be able to come up with a system in season two, which either adds a more severe penalty for not playing or a more flexible way of scheduling.
I am not all too familiar with korean PC bangs, but i'd guess they arent open at 05:00 in the morning? Not to mention that you'd need an american client...
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If artosis wanted to have any chance to stay in this league he needed to win this match.
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On June 02 2011 19:48 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:21 m0ck wrote:
So artosis doesn't play because of a lack of internet? Isn't korea the land of infinite pc bangs? I feel for nasl with the amount of wo's, it's getting a bit embarrassing. Hopefully they'll be able to come up with a system in season two, which either adds a more severe penalty for not playing or a more flexible way of scheduling. I am not all too familiar with korean PC bangs, but i'd guess they arent open at 05:00 in the morning? Not to mention that you'd need an american client...
I'm sure it's possible to find an all night cafe, but the point about the american client is well taken. All the same, it does seem doable. Couldn't he have gone to the TL-house?
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On June 02 2011 19:48 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:21 m0ck wrote:
So artosis doesn't play because of a lack of internet? Isn't korea the land of infinite pc bangs? I feel for nasl with the amount of wo's, it's getting a bit embarrassing. Hopefully they'll be able to come up with a system in season two, which either adds a more severe penalty for not playing or a more flexible way of scheduling. I am not all too familiar with korean PC bangs, but i'd guess they arent open at 05:00 in the morning? Not to mention that you'd need an american client...
They're pretty much all 24 hours. But yeah the client thing would be a pain. You'd have to download it first I guess.
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To all the fags out there that are saying Grubby is a 'bad player'
His BO and game sense sucks......
Time will fix these problems and soon he will own everybody.
F.Y.I
grubby is still playing a little warcraft
he has a wife ( woman takes time geezus )
Morrow used a new gay strat
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Gotta feel bad for Grubby, losing after playing sooo well.
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