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Glad to see MC be knocked out too :p
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
Glad to see MC be knocked out too :p | ||
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annedeman
Netherlands350 Posts
On May 27 2011 22:40 laurine90 wrote: yhea i got to agree with mc protoss is really the underdog race at the moment both game mc had a huge bo disadvantage that could be turned up only by opponents messing up alicia doesnt mess up. end of the story senorchange internet badass i wouldnt say he got a large BO disadvantage both game,3 gate robo doesnt seem hugely favored vs a 4 gate build, and generally defensive 4 gate is favored over aggresive 4 gate. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Fenrisulf
United States325 Posts
On May 27 2011 22:51 zarepath wrote: Wait -- protoss is the underdog race in a PvP? MC means protoss overall has been doing poorly, not giving excuses for his loss. He hopes Alicia (and other protoss in tournament still) do well since hes gone now. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:04 Fenrisulf wrote: MC means protoss overall has been doing poorly, not giving excuses for his loss. He hopes Alicia (and other protoss in tournament still) do well since hes gone now. I cannot say anything else but agree with him totally. Maybe people complain protoss is just so "op" but fact is on the top level it isn't even close to that. At least the chinese protosses are really beasty right now, hope they will come to GSL soon maybe and dominate! ^_^ | ||
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andrea20
Canada441 Posts
Go Clide go~ | ||
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human_ko
Russian Federation676 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6232 Posts
On May 27 2011 20:28 R3N wrote: Alicia is also a bit too overhyped by artosis IMO. Yes he's good, might even be really good but he looks like an average Code S'er rather than the destroyer of the worlds Artosis make him to be. Quoting this for irony. Despite it actually being quite a reasonable statement at the time, I think Alicia is pretty much now the destroyer of worlds. Also lol at the guy saying those were build order losses and micro had nothing to do with it. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:28 Belisarius wrote: Quoting this for irony. Despite it actually being quite a reasonable statement at the time, I think Alicia is pretty much now the destroyer of worlds. Also lol at the guy saying those were build order losses and micro had nothing to do with it. You could say Alicia is overhyped. But let's take a look at his list of kills: MVP, MC, MKP, LosirA, Nestea, Bomber, NaDa Sure, not all those were Bo3s. But the ones that were (MVP, MC, Bomber) is already insane enough. Look at that and then call him overhyped. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:04 Fenrisulf wrote: MC means protoss overall has been doing poorly, not giving excuses for his loss. He hopes Alicia (and other protoss in tournament still) do well since hes gone now. Protosses are in a very hard period actually. Not that they are UP or OP, but because all their matchups changed at the same time. Terrans too had some periods like this, but never in all 3 matchups. PvP was just patched and now often go late game. A lot of new things to learn. PvZ was not changed by patches, but by zergs creating news punishing builds and unit compositions. A lot of new things to learn. PvT has changed less drastically, but 2-3 months ago P had a period of great dominance in this matchup, that ended about the day of the GSL world championship semi finals. Since then, neither race is really favored, but we are still in an adapting phase for both races. A lot of things to learn. I think all in all, that explain the current P state at the moment. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:35 MrCon wrote: Protosses are in a very hard period actually. Not that they are UP or OP, but because all their matchups changed at the same time. Terrans too had some periods like this, but never in all 3 matchups. PvP was just patched and now often go late game. A lot of new things to learn. PvZ was not changed by patches, but by zergs creating news punishing builds and unit compositions. A lot of new things to learn. PvT has changed less drastically, but 2-3 months ago P had a period of great dominance in this matchup, that ended about the day of the GSL world championship semi finals. Since then, neither race is really favored, but we are still in an adapting phase for both races. A lot of things to learn. I think all in all, that explain the current P state at the moment. Glad to see that the intelligent people have begun to move out of the Protoss OP mindset that developed from the period of dominance that's pretty long gone :D | ||
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mage36
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On May 27 2011 23:39 HolyArrow wrote: Glad to see that the intelligent people have begun to move out of the Protoss OP mindset that developed from the period of dominance that's pretty long gone :D All of the above, QFT. People who still cry Protoss OP are ignorant people who refuse to believe anything but their own ideas and those who agree with them. Fact of the matter is, Protoss players are having harder times as late; I see it as Zergs adjusting and finally creating solutions, the overall skill level up of Terrans, and the recent patch which forced the PvP matchup to be rethought and re-analyzed. I have faith though, in due time Protoss players will find solutions and re-adjust, just like how they did after MC's first GSL win. | ||
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MrSweetNess
Australia312 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:05 Talin wrote: See, nobody is saying that Tyler is the best player in the world, or even the best player on NA at this point. But he is a foreign Starcraft legend, a lot of people love him, cheer for him and want him to do well - yet I don't think anybody ever called him a favorite to win an MLG or anything. If anything, he's underrated, because a lot of newer fans aren't aware of how talented and good he is while he's training and motivated. MC on the other hand is overrated BECAUSE he won two GSLs. People see the result and nothing else, and they instantly give him nicknames like "God" and call him a future bonjwa, or whatever. That kind of reasoning is pretty much the DEFINITION of a player being overrated. Especially since there's really nothing extraordinary to be seen in his play - a lot of his wins are due to developing build orders and timings, rather than being an overall solid player. I don't quite understand this post. So because he is equal first for GSLs won as well as winning Copenhagen and Dreamhack he is overrated? I would understand if he was being called 'God' Protoss without the results (Which is a good argument against someone like MKP who has much more 2nd placings, even though he isn't considered the best Terran). Also as of the present moment MC happens to be 4th in the Korean TLPD and 2nd in the International. If it takes more than that to deserve to be a top rated player I'd hate to be in their shoes. Also wouldn't the wins due to build orders and timings prove that he is that good if no one can beat them? I just don't see how you can be over hyped if you get the results. And as for nothing extraordinary, he has been considered to have the best micro in PvP for a long while now, and if he won so many games with the timings you mentioned, wouldn't he also have to have extraordinary timings? | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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julianto
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 28 2011 00:21 sjschmidt93 wrote: I wonder what GOM employee thought it'd be a good idea to put the best two protoss in the world against each other in the first round. Joe RandomNumberGenerator | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
I mean, if it were me making the brackets, it would be rank 1 vs rank 64, rank 2 vs rank 63 and so on and so forth, like seeds in the NBA Playoffs. But I guess I'm just sad that there hasn't been any MC beyond the first round for two GSLs in a row (Up/Down notwithstanding). | ||
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