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MC WHY? FOR FUCK SAKE WHY MC WHY 
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On May 27 2011 21:56 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 21:22 Lhar wrote:On May 27 2011 21:05 Talin wrote:On May 27 2011 20:53 TooN wrote:On May 27 2011 20:50 Deekin[ wrote:On May 27 2011 20:29 Deekin[ wrote:
MC gonna get stomped now! This is all I have to say And btw MC is so overrated. maybe he is in a slump. it doesnt make sense to say he is overrated when he has won like 2 GSLs, dreamhack, and copenhagen. People go on losing streaks. you should call people like LiquidTyler overrated. See, nobody is saying that Tyler is the best player in the world, or even the best player on NA at this point. But he is a foreign Starcraft legend, a lot of people love him, cheer for him and want him to do well - yet I don't think anybody ever called him a favorite to win an MLG or anything. If anything, he's underrated, because a lot of newer fans aren't aware of how talented and good he is while he's training and motivated. MC on the other hand is overrated BECAUSE he won two GSLs. People see the result and nothing else, and they instantly give him nicknames like "God" and call him a future bonjwa, or whatever. That kind of reasoning is pretty much the DEFINITION of a player being overrated. Especially since there's really nothing extraordinary to be seen in his play - a lot of his wins are due to developing build orders and timings, rather than being an overall solid player. Do you even know the definition of overrated? How can you rate someone higher than they actually are, because they won 2 championships, when the very measure by which one would be rated is how well they perform in tournaments. Using your logic, if we had a hypothetical player that won every single championship, and every single match he ever played, and then called him a "God", we would be overrating him because we're basing this statement on the fact that he always wins. How does that even make sense? What standards must one live up to before one can be called amazing before you feel it's overrating? Actually, there is and he is named Flash or Ultimate Weapon.
I suggest you go tie a rock around your neck and jump off a bridge. This is SC2 section, not BW you clown no one cares about flash.
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Why is everyone so shocked MC lost? MC was surely the favorite, but did everyone forget how good Alicia is? This is the same guy that sent MVP to code A.
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On May 27 2011 21:58 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 21:52 dunc wrote: it's still pretty clear that the favorites right now are MVP and nestea, maybe MKP, MMA and losira. Don't get too ahead of the facts. Can you please not put MMA/Losira on the same level as MarineKing. One of these 3 has proven he can make it into these finals.. 3 times and should be a favourite. That said I agree with the rest of your post. People overhype people like crazy(see MMA and Losira) just because Artosis yells out his bullsiht and everyone on TL feels like following suit. How about we wait until people actually accomplish something. Alicia is obviously very good but MC has proven himself, Alicia hasn't gotten nearly as far yet. You two are forgetting bomber. The thing is, you can't just look at previous results and back up a player on them. The older their impressive results are the less relevant they become. Losira made it further than MKP last GSL. MMA and Losira are easily at MKP's level. MMA barely lost 2-1 to MKP in the up and downs, if that's any indication that they're relatively close. MKP even mentioned in his interview that MMA is a toughie. The scene is hugely competitive and new players are always infiltrating the scene, don't be surprised that previously successful players are being outplayed.
MarineKing made it to the finals a month ago with much tougher opponents than Losira. MMA and Losira are nowhere near MarineKing's level. MMA can't even get into Code S and just rides on his fame from bo1's which don't mean anything at all.
The loss wasn't barely by the way. MarineKing made a huge mistake that I doubt he'll ever make again otherwise it would've looked like complete annihilation.
I like MMA, but the only one who comes close to MVP/MKP is Bomber.
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Didn't get to watch the games today, so I had to resort to seeing the results in the OP. I have to say, today was a sad day for me since two of my favorite players, Alicia and MC, had to eliminate each other. While I'm happy for Alicia, I'm deeply saddened by MC's loss. It's sad that he had to go out so early, I was confident that he could go all the way and win another one. Oh well. let's go Alicia, hope you make it far. 
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Canada13389 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:27 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 21:24 btxmonty wrote:On May 27 2011 21:17 shaman6ix wrote:On May 27 2011 21:13 btxmonty wrote:On May 27 2011 21:09 shaman6ix wrote:On May 27 2011 20:56 btxmonty wrote:
LOL it's so funny all these MC fanboys... It wasn't MC's mismicro, it was Alicia's SUPERIOR micro. They were both microing the best they could and Alicia was just better. classic example of the 'idiots' i was referring to. you know what youre saying right? that mc on his best day will have inferior micro to alicia's on his best day. yeah, thats what i thought.. idiot. gratz to alicia tho. That's EXACTLY what I was saying, that when BOTH are on their best capable micro Alicia is going to come on top. Did you not understand? Idiot? lol I didnt said you misunderstood i said you are an idiot for believing that alicia has better micro than mc. plain and simple I'm sorry but your logic is quite wrong. Even though MC might have more titles to his belt that's something from the past, TODAY Alicia won two games outmicroing MC. I can support my statement that Alicia has better micro than MC thanks to today's results. And that is purely MY opinion and beliefs, deal with it? lol you angry little boy... Like I said in my earlier post, watch the games instead of listening to Artosis. You think a probe stopping an almost dead zealot from moving slightly forward changes anything? But he acted like Alicia had just landed a nuke on MC's army. You think a stalker getting one more shot off before getting picked off because it was left in the red is a big deal? It's not. It came down to build order losses. Alicia was able to stall his ramp long enough for an immortal to come out, which means he won. Second game he had the unit advantage. Micro had nothing to do with those games whatsoever. Rewatch the vods. Besides letting those stalkers live his micro was impeccable and he was able to hold off for an amazing amount of time despite behind down in units.
Im sorry but you clearly do not understand PvP. Keeping one red zealot in a choke towards the mineral line there IS important since it meant the zealots following that zealot could be attacked by Alicia's zealots and sentries. It also meant those zealots were not killing anywhere near as many probes as they could have been. If the immortal came out and Alicia didnt have as many units then MC could have won because one immortal while good dies pretty quickly to 5 stalkers. Forcefielding 3 stalkers in a crack at the bottom of the ramp with the last forcefield is really important too.
In the second game leaving a stalker in the red means that they still have a stalker. Keeping the stalker means you can do more damage with that stalker. Regardless of HP stalkers still do full damage to other units. When it comes down to total shots available leaving a stalker alive more than once in a micro battle means that the stalkers can continue to shoot you and widdle your units down. In PvP situations like that its all micro and you cant say it was a build order loss :/
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Canada13389 Posts
On May 27 2011 22:01 Playerone111 wrote:MC WHY? FOR FUCK SAKE WHY MC WHY
because now we get to see alicia play who can provide us with timings and micro as well as macro play. I think Alicia is overall a more rounded player than MC but we will need to see if his decisions are able to take him just as far
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On May 27 2011 22:01 Seditary wrote:
Hey MrCon, isn't it 4 hours earlier not 3?
In fact, I think it's even 6 hours :D
edit : no it's 4
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Legalmind said about today's match(translation needs).
아...운영만 준비해갔는데. 나름 젤나가만큼은 운영승률 엄청높아서 자신있었는데 소환 늦게해서 그걸못막냐ㅠㅠ 일경기는 넥스에서 내 부캐 아는거 경기전에 알아서 기세적인게 필요하다느낌...삼경긴 맵이 ㅅㅂ 그거막기넘힘듬ㅠ
From: http://gall.dcinside.com/starcraft2/1886491
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On May 27 2011 21:48 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 21:27 Heavenly wrote:On May 27 2011 21:24 btxmonty wrote:On May 27 2011 21:17 shaman6ix wrote:On May 27 2011 21:13 btxmonty wrote:On May 27 2011 21:09 shaman6ix wrote:On May 27 2011 20:56 btxmonty wrote:
LOL it's so funny all these MC fanboys... It wasn't MC's mismicro, it was Alicia's SUPERIOR micro. They were both microing the best they could and Alicia was just better. classic example of the 'idiots' i was referring to. you know what youre saying right? that mc on his best day will have inferior micro to alicia's on his best day. yeah, thats what i thought.. idiot. gratz to alicia tho. That's EXACTLY what I was saying, that when BOTH are on their best capable micro Alicia is going to come on top. Did you not understand? Idiot? lol I didnt said you misunderstood i said you are an idiot for believing that alicia has better micro than mc. plain and simple I'm sorry but your logic is quite wrong. Even though MC might have more titles to his belt that's something from the past, TODAY Alicia won two games outmicroing MC. I can support my statement that Alicia has better micro than MC thanks to today's results. And that is purely MY opinion and beliefs, deal with it? lol you angry little boy... Like I said in my earlier post, watch the games instead of listening to Artosis. You think a probe stopping an almost dead zealot from moving slightly forward changes anything? But he acted like Alicia had just landed a nuke on MC's army. You think a stalker getting one more shot off before getting picked off because it was left in the red is a big deal? It's not. It came down to build order losses. Alicia was able to stall his ramp long enough for an immortal to come out, which means he won. Second game he had the unit advantage. Micro had nothing to do with those games whatsoever. Rewatch the vods. Besides letting those stalkers live his micro was impeccable and he was able to hold off for an amazing amount of time despite behind down in units. Last game was a mirrror build basically with alicia slightly edging out MC microwise. It wasn't a build order win at all. First game was a build order win as a defensive robo build beats 4 gate nowadays but it's still crazy hard to perform. MC's tactics have never been his strongest point imo and the fact PvP has become tactically more demanding as 4 gate isn't as good anymore has hurt his chances I'd say. Also facing someone equal to him in micro and he lost.
Markwerf summed up the 3 main points: MC's over reliance on Hard-microing his opponents to death in P v P, his BO disadvantage straight up to 3 gate robo and Alicia being a total sIcK baller nerd
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On May 27 2011 22:13 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Alicia being a total sIcK baller nerd
Alicia is a sick baller nerd, thus sayeth the Lord.
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On May 27 2011 22:03 shaman6ix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 21:56 antilyon wrote:On May 27 2011 21:22 Lhar wrote:On May 27 2011 21:05 Talin wrote:On May 27 2011 20:53 TooN wrote:On May 27 2011 20:50 Deekin[ wrote:On May 27 2011 20:29 Deekin[ wrote:
MC gonna get stomped now! This is all I have to say And btw MC is so overrated. maybe he is in a slump. it doesnt make sense to say he is overrated when he has won like 2 GSLs, dreamhack, and copenhagen. People go on losing streaks. you should call people like LiquidTyler overrated. See, nobody is saying that Tyler is the best player in the world, or even the best player on NA at this point. But he is a foreign Starcraft legend, a lot of people love him, cheer for him and want him to do well - yet I don't think anybody ever called him a favorite to win an MLG or anything. If anything, he's underrated, because a lot of newer fans aren't aware of how talented and good he is while he's training and motivated. MC on the other hand is overrated BECAUSE he won two GSLs. People see the result and nothing else, and they instantly give him nicknames like "God" and call him a future bonjwa, or whatever. That kind of reasoning is pretty much the DEFINITION of a player being overrated. Especially since there's really nothing extraordinary to be seen in his play - a lot of his wins are due to developing build orders and timings, rather than being an overall solid player. Do you even know the definition of overrated? How can you rate someone higher than they actually are, because they won 2 championships, when the very measure by which one would be rated is how well they perform in tournaments. Using your logic, if we had a hypothetical player that won every single championship, and every single match he ever played, and then called him a "God", we would be overrating him because we're basing this statement on the fact that he always wins. How does that even make sense? What standards must one live up to before one can be called amazing before you feel it's overrating? Actually, there is and he is named Flash or Ultimate Weapon. I suggest you go tie a rock around your neck and jump off a bridge. This is SC2 section, not BW you clown no one cares about flash.
Why so mad bro?It's just a joke, you know flash's nickname is "God", don't you?And last year Flash's performance was up to what Lhar described.
It's just a joke, jeez.
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On May 27 2011 19:56 nihlon wrote:
MC will be knocked out. Believe it!
I have to quote myself here since I'm never right about predictions. Just made my own day. :D 
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On May 27 2011 20:56 ichimarugin680 wrote:
Huk wil roll this alicia chickdude
Considering that Huk is 1000times worse than MC, and MC just lost to Alicia, No.
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Yes I totally predicted Alicia to win here... People seem to under rate him so much. :/
Would have had a 3/4 on liquidbet if I hadn't misclicked Rainbow.
A Huk win tomorrow will make me super happy.
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Eh, I still think San could be the 3rd best Toss in Korea after MC/Alicia. I actually thought during his Ro4 in the GSL that he was the second best in the world and improving rapidly. Then they took out the amulet, his main weapon with all his storms, and he even complained in a World Championship interview that he had to change his whole style.
I think with the changes in PvP, that he could have an upswing coming.
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On May 27 2011 21:01 Deekin[ wrote:
I dont hate MC, why would I?
He is good, I mean he wouldnt have won 2 GSLs otherwise right?
Though I think he is the most overrated person of those who have won GSLs (except Fruitdealer).
Now he gets beaten in PvP and I think that he is just above average in that matchup, Alicia has mastered it quite well as we can see from his play and in result is superior.
just above average? i believe this is the first televized BoX pvp mc has actually lost in his sc2 career and vs someone that many consider the second best korean protoss including MC himself.
thats like saying nestea is just above average in zvz because he lost a BoX vs dimaga.
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It is common knowledge when 1 protoss beats another he will go and eat his heart so that he gain that protoss's strength and courage. Alicia is now op.
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On May 27 2011 22:03 shaman6ix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 21:56 antilyon wrote:On May 27 2011 21:22 Lhar wrote:On May 27 2011 21:05 Talin wrote:On May 27 2011 20:53 TooN wrote:On May 27 2011 20:50 Deekin[ wrote:On May 27 2011 20:29 Deekin[ wrote:
MC gonna get stomped now! This is all I have to say And btw MC is so overrated. maybe he is in a slump. it doesnt make sense to say he is overrated when he has won like 2 GSLs, dreamhack, and copenhagen. People go on losing streaks. you should call people like LiquidTyler overrated. See, nobody is saying that Tyler is the best player in the world, or even the best player on NA at this point. But he is a foreign Starcraft legend, a lot of people love him, cheer for him and want him to do well - yet I don't think anybody ever called him a favorite to win an MLG or anything. If anything, he's underrated, because a lot of newer fans aren't aware of how talented and good he is while he's training and motivated. MC on the other hand is overrated BECAUSE he won two GSLs. People see the result and nothing else, and they instantly give him nicknames like "God" and call him a future bonjwa, or whatever. That kind of reasoning is pretty much the DEFINITION of a player being overrated. Especially since there's really nothing extraordinary to be seen in his play - a lot of his wins are due to developing build orders and timings, rather than being an overall solid player. Do you even know the definition of overrated? How can you rate someone higher than they actually are, because they won 2 championships, when the very measure by which one would be rated is how well they perform in tournaments. Using your logic, if we had a hypothetical player that won every single championship, and every single match he ever played, and then called him a "God", we would be overrating him because we're basing this statement on the fact that he always wins. How does that even make sense? What standards must one live up to before one can be called amazing before you feel it's overrating? Actually, there is and he is named Flash or Ultimate Weapon. I suggest you go tie a rock around your neck and jump off a bridge. This is SC2 section, not BW you clown no one cares about flash.
That's a bit harsh, people still care about Flash. I know I do,
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yhea i got to agree with mc protoss is really the underdog race at the moment
both game mc had a huge bo disadvantage that could be turned up only by opponents messing up
alicia doesnt mess up. end of the story
senorchange internet badass
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