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Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
December 11 2011 19:01 GMT
#8681
On December 11 2011 23:24 xtruder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 23:22 zerious wrote:
Does this mean MVP is the first grand slam winner of SC2?

-GSL
-Blizzcon
-MLG
-WCG


what about IEM?


AFAIK, IEM doesn't hold qualifiers for their Korean invites. They also don't like inviting just the super stars, they like inviting some of the lower level Koreans to give them a chance to shine.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
jimmydu444
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada250 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 19:22:59
December 11 2011 19:19 GMT
#8682
Xigua Interview:
(source:http://news.replays.net/page/20111211/1641349.html)

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Q: So you've finally met up with a Korean player in the final, how do you compare yourself with the tip top player in Korea?
A: I don't actually feel there is that much of a difference between us in terms of skills, the main problem was me not performing very well in the finals.

Q: Can you please summarize what mistakes you've made in those games.
A: The first game I've made the mistake of not scouting his first barrack in time and ended up wasting a lot of scouting time, thus did not have enough time to prepare for his rush.

I've thought a lot about the second game, but his initial push with the 3 tanks caught me off guard as I was preparing for his drops instead. Usually by the time he starts dropping I would have about 24 mutalisks in play. After his tank push had ended, I figured his tech would be slowed from the push and thus I stopped producing mutas to start teching myself. As a result of this, I did not have enough mutas to properly deal with his drops.

Q: Do you think the difference in skills between you (or the Chinese gamers in general, there is no pronoun that indicate this) and the Koreans will change in the upcoming year.
A:This will largely depends on the event organizers in China. Currently, the biggest obstacle that is facing the Chinese players are in the maps that we are using at home. In China, the maps we play on are either very old or custom made. Maps like the ones used in GSL, MLG are very hard to come come by. This puts us at a great disadvantage when playing against international gamers. We hope the chinese tournament organizers will take this into consideration in the future.

Q: Do you plan to go to Korea next year and what are your thoughts on HOTS.
A: Our fanclub (team) is already looking at sending its player to Korea to compete. I do not have a good outlook on HOTS as I believe zerg will still be underpowered in the expansion.

Remark: The literal translation of the part in regards to Xigua's view on HOTS is given below for comparison
Transliteration: I believe after HOTS, zergs will still be in a state of tragedy. Because HOTS has not finish being translated yet, It should rather be called "Broken heart of the Swarms."

Q: Would you like to thank anyone beside your fans.
A: I would like to thank my fanclub (team) iG
I believe in Sets, The Rationals, LQG and PoltPrime.WE
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
December 11 2011 19:22 GMT
#8683
On December 12 2011 03:46 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 03:14 emucxg wrote:
after the WCG, former Warcraft3 progamers lyc posted some drama related to XiGua

http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-790164-1-1.html

basically, in 2007, XiGua, who was still a Warcraft players, borrowed ~100 dollars (800RMB) from lyc claiming his family has financial problem...
after that XiGua refused to return the money back, by blocking lyc from his QQ(Chinese MSN), and refusing to answer the phone calls. XiGua have not responded to this drama yet.

but imho there is no reason for lyc to lie since he is retired from progaming scene already.

edit. lyc's profile: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/database.php?id=2305


Who cares this? They are not running for office. They are just kids playing games. Everybody make mistakes.


Actually come to think of it, the fact that this is the best gossip people can make drama out of from this event... it shows how bad this event was! :p
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
December 11 2011 19:28 GMT
#8684
Is that interview real ? so he hasnt played hots , but he already thinks zergs will be worse than they are now... lol

ahhh the comunists...

User was warned for this post
ja foste
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
December 11 2011 19:50 GMT
#8685
I like how people act as if the series being bo5 would've changed the outcome. XiGua didn't have a chance from the start :p
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 11 2011 19:59 GMT
#8686
On December 12 2011 04:50 namste wrote:
I like how people act as if the series being bo5 would've changed the outcome. XiGua didn't have a chance from the start :p


it could be bo(insert any number) and mvp would still win decisively. hes skill is not on par with mvp sorry. i mean how do you not see a 2rax bunker rush coming on skakuras and actually die to it. 90% of the code s Ts do it vs Z on that map.
Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 20:03:12
December 11 2011 20:03 GMT
#8687
Well, that was as disappointing as the GSL finals.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 11 2011 20:11 GMT
#8688
On December 12 2011 05:03 Shadow_Dog wrote:
Well, that was as disappointing as the GSL finals.


the last 2 gsl finals were amazing
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
December 11 2011 20:13 GMT
#8689
when the replays will be uploaded?
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 20:52:28
December 11 2011 20:43 GMT
#8690
On December 11 2011 20:09 Shortizz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:07 hmsrenown wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:04 Luppy1 wrote:
On December 11 2011 14:58 darkest44 wrote:
Xigua really didn't play "brilliant game" lets be honest... what did he do at all that was brilliant? All game he killed 1 CC and like 1 drop ship lol. MVP was toying with him.


He did well. I mean, he couldnt attack into the terran because his entire army would get sniped (Point proven by what xigua tried to do at the end) At the same time, his ultralisk army cant respond to cheap and effective drops being done all over the place. Do tell me what xigua could have done better. This guy won everyone else 2-0 all the way through. Why are you trying to make it sound like he's bad or something.

The problem is because he had poor showing in IEM and against MVP, everyone and their facebook friend is ready to completely shit on a young player in need of further development. I'm glad that he won't hear most of the stuff he's gonna receive from NA/EU observers.


I think outside of NA/EU, everyone already knows the chinese players are catching up fast. In fact, it shldnt surprise you if the standard of leagues are as following

KR > CN > EU > NA.

It was that way in BW and WC3, and imo, it already is that way in SC2.

Ppl just needs to drop their fan boy attitude and recognise that Xigua played a great tournament and was 2nd only to MVP. Its ironic that some ppl are basing his performance by ''1 CC and 1 Medivac killed all game'' when half the ppl are so blinded by favoritism, they cant tell a good player from an avg player in this tournament.


I don't think I agree.

CN was and is not behind KR in WC 3.

CN was and is not ahead of EU/NA in SC 2.

For WC 3 - in tournaments, someone has to win, and someone has to lose. Two players of equal skill playing a Bo3 will still inevitably result in a 2-1, not a tie. I did not get the impression that Lyn outclassed Fly or Sky. He barely edged out the win in both cases, and had the home field in WCG to boot. Not to mention, I heard that Lyn (and other KR WC 3 players) mostly train on CN, kind of like how top foreigners train on KR for SC 2.

For SC 2 - XiGua was outclassed by MVP, as was every other foreigner except the Protoss players, who managed to take games off of him and managed to beat Supernova in PvT. Outside of that, well, Kas beat MKP in TvT. Hardly a case for calling CN > EU/NA, especially if you also factor in F91's loss to Snute, and one WCG isn't enough to tell, anyhow.

My personal opinion is that the best EU/NA players, when properly prepared, are still a bit ahead of CN players at the moment. Perhaps if SC 2 becomes bigger in China, this will change, but the very top EU/NA players are capable of taking games from the very top Koreans. I don't think XiGua looked like that this tournament.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 11 2011 21:02 GMT
#8691
CN did will this tournament, but I hope they keep impressing me.
I had a good night of sleep.
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 21:10:14
December 11 2011 21:09 GMT
#8692
On December 12 2011 03:14 emucxg wrote:
after the WCG, former Warcraft3 progamers lyc posted some drama related to XiGua

http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-790164-1-1.html

basically, in 2007, XiGua, who was still a Warcraft players, borrowed ~100 dollars (800RMB) from lyc claiming his family has financial problem...
after that XiGua refused to return the money back, by blocking lyc from his QQ(Chinese MSN), and refusing to answer the phone calls. XiGua have not responded to this drama yet.

but imho there is no reason for lyc to lie since he is retired from progaming scene already.

edit. lyc's profile: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/database.php?id=2305


=.= Just because he has an id called lyc on neotv forum doesn't mean he is the lyc. Neotv forum is very unofficial and I know people who have id like ST_Bomber. You simply cannot confirm his identity.

ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
December 11 2011 21:16 GMT
#8693
Wow, MVP getting 3 slots for the Blizz cup...congratz to him. Who gets the other spot? Xigua?
"more gg, more skill"
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
December 11 2011 21:42 GMT
#8694
On December 12 2011 06:16 ravemir wrote:
Wow, MVP getting 3 slots for the Blizz cup...congratz to him. Who gets the other spot? Xigua?

Polt
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 22:27:56
December 11 2011 22:20 GMT
#8695
On December 12 2011 06:09 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 03:14 emucxg wrote:
after the WCG, former Warcraft3 progamers lyc posted some drama related to XiGua

http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-790164-1-1.html

basically, in 2007, XiGua, who was still a Warcraft players, borrowed ~100 dollars (800RMB) from lyc claiming his family has financial problem...
after that XiGua refused to return the money back, by blocking lyc from his QQ(Chinese MSN), and refusing to answer the phone calls. XiGua have not responded to this drama yet.

but imho there is no reason for lyc to lie since he is retired from progaming scene already.

edit. lyc's profile: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/database.php?id=2305


=.= Just because he has an id called lyc on neotv forum doesn't mean he is the lyc. Neotv forum is very unofficial and I know people who have id like ST_Bomber. You simply cannot confirm his identity.


it is lyc, confirm from ZhouNing(Admin of NeoTV)
and ya, 100$ is not a big deal im agree with TLers.
moreover even if its was a true story, everyone has different options on this, some ppl simply think it was a "mistake", or something, but here in Finland, this wrong and illegal, ppl in Finland would report this shit to police even it was only 20 dollars.

yet again, this is not confirmed by XiGua yet.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 22:42:58
December 11 2011 22:42 GMT
#8696
On December 12 2011 04:01 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 23:24 xtruder wrote:
On December 11 2011 23:22 zerious wrote:
Does this mean MVP is the first grand slam winner of SC2?

-GSL
-Blizzcon
-MLG
-WCG


what about IEM?


AFAIK, IEM doesn't hold qualifiers for their Korean invites. They also don't like inviting just the super stars, they like inviting some of the lower level Koreans to give them a chance to shine.


Neither does MLG. You're right about the quality, though.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 12 2011 00:03 GMT
#8697
On December 12 2011 07:20 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 06:09 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 12 2011 03:14 emucxg wrote:
after the WCG, former Warcraft3 progamers lyc posted some drama related to XiGua

http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-790164-1-1.html

basically, in 2007, XiGua, who was still a Warcraft players, borrowed ~100 dollars (800RMB) from lyc claiming his family has financial problem...
after that XiGua refused to return the money back, by blocking lyc from his QQ(Chinese MSN), and refusing to answer the phone calls. XiGua have not responded to this drama yet.

but imho there is no reason for lyc to lie since he is retired from progaming scene already.

edit. lyc's profile: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/database.php?id=2305


=.= Just because he has an id called lyc on neotv forum doesn't mean he is the lyc. Neotv forum is very unofficial and I know people who have id like ST_Bomber. You simply cannot confirm his identity.


it is lyc, confirm from ZhouNing(Admin of NeoTV)
and ya, 100$ is not a big deal im agree with TLers.
moreover even if its was a true story, everyone has different options on this, some ppl simply think it was a "mistake", or something, but here in Finland, this wrong and illegal, ppl in Finland would report this shit to police even it was only 20 dollars.

yet again, this is not confirmed by XiGua yet.

whatever man
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
December 12 2011 00:19 GMT
#8698
On December 12 2011 03:14 emucxg wrote:
after the WCG, former Warcraft3 progamers lyc posted some drama related to XiGua

http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-790164-1-1.html

basically, in 2007, XiGua, who was still a Warcraft players, borrowed ~100 dollars (800RMB) from lyc claiming his family has financial problem...
after that XiGua refused to return the money back, by blocking lyc from his QQ(Chinese MSN), and refusing to answer the phone calls. XiGua have not responded to this drama yet.

but imho there is no reason for lyc to lie since he is retired from progaming scene already.

edit. lyc's profile: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/database.php?id=2305


Who cares? It was in 07. I bet if you go that far back I owe someone $100 somewhere.

I could see the issue if he stole a ton of $ but let's not get riled up over $100.....
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 12 2011 00:31 GMT
#8699
-_- Ok I do not have to eat my words that MVP will take this tourney
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 00:43:09
December 12 2011 00:40 GMT
#8700
On December 12 2011 09:19 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 03:14 emucxg wrote:
after the WCG, former Warcraft3 progamers lyc posted some drama related to XiGua

http://bbs.neotv.cn/thread-790164-1-1.html

basically, in 2007, XiGua, who was still a Warcraft players, borrowed ~100 dollars (800RMB) from lyc claiming his family has financial problem...
after that XiGua refused to return the money back, by blocking lyc from his QQ(Chinese MSN), and refusing to answer the phone calls. XiGua have not responded to this drama yet.

but imho there is no reason for lyc to lie since he is retired from progaming scene already.

edit. lyc's profile: http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/database.php?id=2305


Who cares? It was in 07. I bet if you go that far back I owe someone $100 somewhere.

I could see the issue if he stole a ton of $ but let's not get riled up over $100.....


great morals you have there. and 100usd in china is 1/3 the monthly income of an average job.
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