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Crytch
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany135 Posts
May 15 2011 23:08 GMT
#8301
don't we all love thorzain? ♥

he just played better in the last game.
Very nice EMPs, while nani was too greedy to split his sentrys, or to get blink/charge, weapon/armor upgrades or even a 4. base while he contained Thorzain...
You: Quick idra, answer this: 3 men walk into a bar. is one of them gay? EGIdrA: depends on whether or not anyone of them plays protoss
Meatpuppet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
May 15 2011 23:10 GMT
#8302
Keep 'em coming asperger I haven't seen any yet, I tried to get on the live stream too late, =(. Thank you so much. Btw, asperger, like asperger's syndrome? haha, autism is great
I am the walrus
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
May 15 2011 23:11 GMT
#8303
I just wish the last game would had looked different. Would had been better if Thorzain would had dominate the last game instead of pretty much be given the win from Naniwa. A bit of an anticlimactic ending to a great series.
Velocity`
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom343 Posts
May 15 2011 23:11 GMT
#8304
On May 16 2011 08:07 Seldon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.

Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.


You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile if you need an uninterrupted connection. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.

Yeah, seriously, people talking a lot on IRC in no way should lag your internet so hard that you need to leave the game. IRC by itself runs on such a low requirement of bandwidth anyway.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
May 15 2011 23:12 GMT
#8305
Rossweazel United Kingdom. May 16 2011 08:02. Posts 78

This man speaks sense.

We must immediately burn him at the stake, lest this spreads.


On May 16 2011 07:55 TheHova wrote:
Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.

Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.


Well... as a naniwa fan I primarily don't wanna bash naniwa for possible mistakes but rather external factors


You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.


That is true but Chill had the opportunity to leave at the beginning of the lag problems but he choose not to leave.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
May 15 2011 23:13 GMT
#8306
Stop blowing everything out of proportion. Chill's minor lag problem did not have as much effect as people here are arguing.
Klogbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States139 Posts
May 15 2011 23:14 GMT
#8307
On May 16 2011 08:13 Mickey wrote:
Stop blowing everything out of proportion. Chill's minor lag problem did not have as much effect as people here are arguing.


actually I haven't seen anyone post anything about it affecting the game in quite a few pages...so you are furthering the shitstorm...gg.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
May 15 2011 23:14 GMT
#8308
Omg this is so epic.
EPIC run by thorzain, he deserved to be crowned champion.
Try another route paperboy.
Magnus Strongchest
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia89 Posts
May 15 2011 23:15 GMT
#8309
Games 1 & 2 are up on youtube.
itsmeOrchiD
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden50 Posts
May 15 2011 23:15 GMT
#8310
game 2 up!
http://www.youtube.com/teamliquidnet#p/u/0/F6Jc8dL3AzM
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
May 15 2011 23:15 GMT
#8311
On May 16 2011 08:07 Seldon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.

Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.


You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile if you need an uninterrupted connection. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.

Maybe someone got his IP off IRC and then ran some DoS script or something.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
May 15 2011 23:15 GMT
#8312
On May 16 2011 07:26 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:05 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:57 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:54 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:53 TaKemE wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:48 thoradycus wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:41 Sight- wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer?

IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment.

MLG dallas was also longer

frankly,90% of it are eagle related or just straight out whining/raging/emoing


Day9 also got 900+


We are talking about tournaments only :p


offtopic: so happy to see your icon got changed to a ninja hahahahaha when did that happen?

also is there coverage of the afterparty?


I got it 2 days ago


Congrats, long overdue! I showed about 20 people that Halloween post and all of them laughed outrageously, I still laugh every time I go back and read it

btw is there a way to open these links in the pony tales in new tabs so it doesn't have to load the pdf every time I click a link?


Here's what I do:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222587#2

It works for me :p
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 15 2011 23:15 GMT
#8313
On May 16 2011 08:12 archonOOid wrote:
Rossweazel United Kingdom. May 16 2011 08:02. Posts 78

Show nested quote +
This man speaks sense.

We must immediately burn him at the stake, lest this spreads.


Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:55 TheHova wrote:
Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.

Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.


Well... as a naniwa fan I primarily don't wanna bash naniwa for possible mistakes but rather external factors

Show nested quote +

You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.


That is true but Chill had the opportunity to leave at the beginning of the lag problems but he choose not to leave.


because the lag was fixed, then they played for a minute or w/e without lag and it started up again so he left.
Hi.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
May 15 2011 23:17 GMT
#8314
On May 16 2011 08:15 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 08:07 Seldon wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.

Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.


You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile if you need an uninterrupted connection. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.

Maybe someone got his IP off IRC and then ran some DoS script or something.


That is 100x more likely than IRC causing lag.

Lots of people in IRC don't cause lag. That's an absolutely miniscule amount of bandwidth.
daemonjr
Profile Joined January 2011
United States48 Posts
May 15 2011 23:17 GMT
#8315
The lag happened at really two slow parts in the game. It didn't happen in the middle of a giant micro filled fight. It happened in the beginning when spamming workers, and later when nothing was really happening.

Lag did not cause nani to lose game 7, nani losing game 5,6 caused him to lose game 7.

all in all though,absolutely amazing series, both players lived up to the hype, and even better, I predicted 4-3 T-Zain.

GREAT TOURNY TSL!!!!!
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
May 15 2011 23:18 GMT
#8316
On May 16 2011 08:10 Meatpuppet wrote:
Keep 'em coming asperger I haven't seen any yet, I tried to get on the live stream too late, =(. Thank you so much. Btw, asperger, like asperger's syndrome? haha, autism is great

I just linked it from the Team Liquid Youtube channel, so keep it open, the second VOD is already up!
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Aranaukin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States60 Posts
May 15 2011 23:19 GMT
#8317
On May 16 2011 08:12 archonOOid wrote:
Rossweazel United Kingdom. May 16 2011 08:02. Posts 78

Show nested quote +
This man speaks sense.

We must immediately burn him at the stake, lest this spreads.


Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:55 TheHova wrote:
Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.

Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.


Well... as a naniwa fan I primarily don't wanna bash naniwa for possible mistakes but rather external factors

Show nested quote +

You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.


That is true but Chill had the opportunity to leave at the beginning of the lag problems but he choose not to leave.


Listen guy, you keep harping on this and its apparent you're upset that the player you were supporting lost. YOU cannot know if it affected Naniwa more or less, you have no idea unless you were there and in Naniwa's head at the time. The facts are both players experienced the same thing, and it's up to them to deal with it. Besides that fact, chill's lag was completely irrelevant, neither player lost a unit or extremely important positioning due to it.

Get over the fact that the player you were rooting for threw the game away after having a ~30 food lead. Stop making excuses and blaming external factors, Naniwa had 3 chances to close out the finals anyway if anything it's his fault for losing 3 in a row...
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 23:27:05
May 15 2011 23:21 GMT
#8318
I really dislike Terrans mass repair, just me but it feels kind of BM when you bring a ton of SCV's to repair/ attack... = ( unless its TvT because both plays can do that lol
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
May 15 2011 23:25 GMT
#8319
Aww c'mon guys, let's not end a great event on notes like this. I (stubbornly) believe the community is better then that. This was a great event with great casting, big upsets, awesome games and an awesome final. Can't we just be happy with that? (yes yes kumbaya)
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
pksens
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom156 Posts
May 15 2011 23:25 GMT
#8320
I LOVE YOU THORZAIN!!! This is the most epic run through a tournament EVER!
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