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On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.
Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.
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Uhhmm Sweden. May 16 2011 07:44. Posts 17 PM Profile Quote #
On May 16 2011 07:39 woob wrote:
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if thorzain lost concentration he loses his 2 vikings to the many stalkers on the low ground. it goes both ways
That's true. I can't remember exactly how far ahead his vikings were when Chill lagged out, I'll have to rewatch the game.
It's unfortunate that chill caused lag and were disconnected. He has apologized but he caused unnecessary tension and in my opinion it affected naniwa more/worse.
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On May 16 2011 07:47 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 06:51 MintMilk wrote:
So, when's Day[9] going to do a daily on Thorzain? He was so excited in that last game that I thought he'd explode. It was brilliant to see him be able to cast on his own so well, I'm not sure a better final was actually possible. It was fate that led to day9 solo casting at the end, it was amazing. It's like day9 didn't have to hold back, he had the mic to himself to go all out.
It was amazing. day9 reacted perfectly and casted the shit out of those last 15 mins.
I was shivering in excitement since the colossus behind the expo
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On May 16 2011 07:26 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:05 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 16 2011 06:57 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 06:54 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 16 2011 06:53 TaKemE wrote:On May 16 2011 06:48 thoradycus wrote:On May 16 2011 06:41 Sight- wrote:On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG dallas was also longer frankly,90% of it are eagle related or just straight out whining/raging/emoing Day9 also got 900+ We are talking about tournaments only :p offtopic: so happy to see your icon got changed to a ninja hahahahaha when did that happen? also is there coverage of the afterparty? I got it 2 days ago Congrats, long overdue! I showed about 20 people that Halloween post and all of them laughed outrageously, I still laugh every time I go back and read it  btw is there a way to open these links in the pony tales in new tabs so it doesn't have to load the pdf every time I click a link?
What is this halloween post?
And Nice icon
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On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance. Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.
Just taking the opportunity to say thanks for a great job casting this TSL. Don't worry about the haters
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wait... ThorZain dont build thors?
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Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.
Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.
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Sweden225 Posts
On May 16 2011 07:53 El_Deuz wrote:
wait... ThorZain dont build thors?
The only game I could see Thors being to Thorzains advantage was the final game where Naniwa never got out any HT's. Even there, the Ghosts was more than enough to decimate Naniwas deathball.
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where can you watch the replays?
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I was expecting chill to be boring, but im very glad i was wrong
very very good casting combo, i especially liked the excitement when thorzain did that EPIC hold, which i wish the interviewer asked him about after the game
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On May 16 2011 07:53 StuBob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:26 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 07:05 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 16 2011 06:57 d(O.o)a wrote:On May 16 2011 06:54 IntoTheWow wrote:On May 16 2011 06:53 TaKemE wrote:On May 16 2011 06:48 thoradycus wrote:On May 16 2011 06:41 Sight- wrote:On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer? IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment. MLG dallas was also longer frankly,90% of it are eagle related or just straight out whining/raging/emoing Day9 also got 900+ We are talking about tournaments only :p offtopic: so happy to see your icon got changed to a ninja hahahahaha when did that happen? also is there coverage of the afterparty? I got it 2 days ago Congrats, long overdue! I showed about 20 people that Halloween post and all of them laughed outrageously, I still laugh every time I go back and read it btw is there a way to open these links in the pony tales in new tabs so it doesn't have to load the pdf every time I click a link? What is this halloween post? And Nice icon
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=33091
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It's unfortunate that chill caused lag and were disconnected. He has apologized but he caused unnecessary tension and in my opinion it affected naniwa more/worse.
It may have caused unnecessary tension, but the tension was obviously equal for both players. Then the players may handle it different, but thats also a matter of crisis managment. Possible tecnical issues must be taken into preparation for a live match.
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On May 16 2011 07:35 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:19 Talin wrote:On May 16 2011 07:08 archonOOid wrote:EightyFive May 16 2011 07:06. Posts 1 PM Profile Quote #
On May 16 2011 06:57 archonOOid wrote:
I think chill may have tilted naniwa in the last game... In the in-game chat naniwa seemed upset over the fact that chill didn't leave when he started to lag while thorzain kept his cool. This could have been a totally different game if he listened to naniwa. In a tense moment such as the last game in a bo7 the disconnection could have played a factor. Naniwa had to focus on whether chill would stay in the game or not and during that moment naniwa had a great opportunity to expand. Chill couldn't know that he would disconnect but I hope he prepared his computer for a lag free casting session. I think he should apologize to both players especially naniwa.
I think it also had to do with being 3-1 up. yes that was certainly also a factor but the disconnection was another factor that played into the hands of thorzain How did Chill lagging play into the hands of Thorzain? It affected both players equally, there was no advantage for one player or the other. Thorzain kept his cool in the situation while Nani didn't. Naniwa was in a much more vulnerable position. Had he lost concentration for even a second vikings could have killed his collosi, and he also had to worry about ghosts. Thorzain was in a much more comfortable spot, having the high ground and knowing Naniwa had to go all the way around to attack with his whole army. Since Thorzaine also had the reactive role being on the defensive, any extra seconds to think about his next move would also benefit him. Maybe it didn't matter and shit happens, but if it benefited any player it was Thorzaine, even disregarding nerves.
This has got to stop.
Every time someone lags in a game now, there's this ridiculous discussion about whether it "affected" them. What does that even mean? You can stretch the phrase "affected" to cover damn near anything, and it's annoying to see every NASL thread and the TSL finals thread filled with people using contorted logic to explain away why their favorite player lost.
I mean, look at the text of your post. You're trying to say that a 10-second pause hurt Naniwa. Naniwa, who had a 30 SUPPLY LEAD, better tech, and a fantastic position at Thorzain's nat.
That 10-second pause didn't make Naniwa try to break Thorzain. It didn't force him to make a bad decision and attack when he could have expanded again, added on gateways and maintained his light contain. It didn't affect him in any meaningful way, it doesn't mitigate the fact that he was outplayed, and it doesn't excuse his loss or take anything away from Thorzain.
Now can we please put this ridiculous bullshit to rest and stop bringing up latency or lag or pausing in every TL thread?
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On May 16 2011 07:55 TheHova wrote:
Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.
Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.
This man speaks sense.
We must immediately burn him at the stake, lest this spreads.
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It didn't happen 6 out of 7 games...it was a fluke, lets move on.
edit: This is what you get when the community complains until they get what they want (live games).
edit 2: The fact of the matter is it affected both players equally in technical terms, if NaNiwa got metagamed because of it that is his problem and it's part of the game.
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On May 16 2011 08:02 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:35 Uhhmm wrote:On May 16 2011 07:19 Talin wrote:On May 16 2011 07:08 archonOOid wrote:EightyFive May 16 2011 07:06. Posts 1 PM Profile Quote #
On May 16 2011 06:57 archonOOid wrote:
I think chill may have tilted naniwa in the last game... In the in-game chat naniwa seemed upset over the fact that chill didn't leave when he started to lag while thorzain kept his cool. This could have been a totally different game if he listened to naniwa. In a tense moment such as the last game in a bo7 the disconnection could have played a factor. Naniwa had to focus on whether chill would stay in the game or not and during that moment naniwa had a great opportunity to expand. Chill couldn't know that he would disconnect but I hope he prepared his computer for a lag free casting session. I think he should apologize to both players especially naniwa.
I think it also had to do with being 3-1 up. yes that was certainly also a factor but the disconnection was another factor that played into the hands of thorzain How did Chill lagging play into the hands of Thorzain? It affected both players equally, there was no advantage for one player or the other. Thorzain kept his cool in the situation while Nani didn't. Naniwa was in a much more vulnerable position. Had he lost concentration for even a second vikings could have killed his collosi, and he also had to worry about ghosts. Thorzain was in a much more comfortable spot, having the high ground and knowing Naniwa had to go all the way around to attack with his whole army. Since Thorzaine also had the reactive role being on the defensive, any extra seconds to think about his next move would also benefit him. Maybe it didn't matter and shit happens, but if it benefited any player it was Thorzaine, even disregarding nerves. This has got to stop. Every time someone lags in a game now, there's this ridiculous discussion about whether it "affected" them. What does that even mean? You can stretch the phrase "affected" to cover damn near anything, and it's annoying to see every NASL thread and the TSL finals thread filled with people using contorted logic to explain away why their favorite player lost. I mean, look at the text of your post. You're trying to say that a 10-second pause hurt Naniwa. Naniwa, who had a 30 SUPPLY LEAD, better tech, and a fantastic position at Thorzain's nat. That 10-second pause didn't make Naniwa try to break Thorzain. It didn't force him to make a bad decision and attack when he could have expanded again, added on gateways and maintained his light contain. It didn't affect him in any meaningful way, it doesn't mitigate the fact that he was outplayed, and it doesn't excuse his loss or take anything away from Thorzain. Now can we please put this ridiculous bullshit to rest and stop bringing up latency or lag or pausing in every TL thread?
couldn't agree more, in fact it gave naniwa more time to think how he should play it out ;P
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thorzain was right, nani killed enough scvs and buildings, it was time to go home get 3rd, but got too greedy and lost
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Lol 10sec pause affects naniwa to lose? Why not pause the game everytime player faces naniwa, free win... not
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I really think people are reading too much into the lag. Anyways, I'm personally going to ignore that, but seriously, what an AWESOME series!!!
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On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance. Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.
You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile if you need an uninterrupted connection. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.
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