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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
May 15 2011 22:49 GMT
#8281
On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.

Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.
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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
May 15 2011 22:50 GMT
#8282
Uhhmm Sweden. May 16 2011 07:44. Posts 17 PM Profile Quote #
On May 16 2011 07:39 woob wrote:
Show nested quote +


if thorzain lost concentration he loses his 2 vikings to the many stalkers on the low ground. it goes both ways


That's true. I can't remember exactly how far ahead his vikings were when Chill lagged out, I'll have to rewatch the game.


It's unfortunate that chill caused lag and were disconnected. He has apologized but he caused unnecessary tension and in my opinion it affected naniwa more/worse.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
May 15 2011 22:51 GMT
#8283
On May 16 2011 07:47 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 06:51 MintMilk wrote:
So, when's Day[9] going to do a daily on Thorzain? He was so excited in that last game that I thought he'd explode. It was brilliant to see him be able to cast on his own so well, I'm not sure a better final was actually possible.


It was fate that led to day9 solo casting at the end, it was amazing. It's like day9 didn't have to hold back, he had the mic to himself to go all out.


It was amazing. day9 reacted perfectly and casted the shit out of those last 15 mins.

I was shivering in excitement since the colossus behind the expo
StuBob
Profile Joined March 2010
United States373 Posts
May 15 2011 22:53 GMT
#8284
On May 16 2011 07:26 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:05 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:57 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:54 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:53 TaKemE wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:48 thoradycus wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:41 Sight- wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer?

IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment.

MLG dallas was also longer

frankly,90% of it are eagle related or just straight out whining/raging/emoing


Day9 also got 900+


We are talking about tournaments only :p


offtopic: so happy to see your icon got changed to a ninja hahahahaha when did that happen?

also is there coverage of the afterparty?


I got it 2 days ago


Congrats, long overdue! I showed about 20 people that Halloween post and all of them laughed outrageously, I still laugh every time I go back and read it

btw is there a way to open these links in the pony tales in new tabs so it doesn't have to load the pdf every time I click a link?


What is this halloween post?


And Nice icon
I play RANDOM!
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
May 15 2011 22:53 GMT
#8285
On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.

Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.

Just taking the opportunity to say thanks for a great job casting this TSL. Don't worry about the haters
El_Deuz
Profile Joined April 2011
Mexico71 Posts
May 15 2011 22:53 GMT
#8286
wait... ThorZain dont build thors?
MVP I Polt I Bomber
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 15 2011 22:55 GMT
#8287
Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.

Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.
Enceladus
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden225 Posts
May 15 2011 22:55 GMT
#8288
On May 16 2011 07:53 El_Deuz wrote:
wait... ThorZain dont build thors?

The only game I could see Thors being to Thorzains advantage was the final game where Naniwa never got out any HT's. Even there, the Ghosts was more than enough to decimate Naniwas deathball.
5miley
Profile Joined January 2010
United States64 Posts
May 15 2011 22:59 GMT
#8289
where can you watch the replays?
lol in the pants
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
May 15 2011 22:59 GMT
#8290
I was expecting chill to be boring, but im very glad i was wrong

very very good casting combo, i especially liked the excitement when thorzain did that EPIC hold, which i wish the interviewer asked him about after the game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 15 2011 22:59 GMT
#8291
On May 16 2011 07:53 StuBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:26 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:05 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:57 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:54 IntoTheWow wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:53 TaKemE wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:48 thoradycus wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:41 Sight- wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:41 Ezekyle wrote:
On May 16 2011 06:37 zmansman17 wrote:
Could this end up being the longest TL thread or have there been longer?

IdrA's fanclub has over 527 pages at the moment.

MLG dallas was also longer

frankly,90% of it are eagle related or just straight out whining/raging/emoing


Day9 also got 900+


We are talking about tournaments only :p


offtopic: so happy to see your icon got changed to a ninja hahahahaha when did that happen?

also is there coverage of the afterparty?


I got it 2 days ago


Congrats, long overdue! I showed about 20 people that Halloween post and all of them laughed outrageously, I still laugh every time I go back and read it

btw is there a way to open these links in the pony tales in new tabs so it doesn't have to load the pdf every time I click a link?


What is this halloween post?


And Nice icon


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=33091
Hi.
sLakke
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden6 Posts
May 15 2011 23:01 GMT
#8292


It's unfortunate that chill caused lag and were disconnected. He has apologized but he caused unnecessary tension and in my opinion it affected naniwa more/worse.


It may have caused unnecessary tension, but the tension was obviously equal for both players. Then the players may handle it different, but thats also a matter of crisis managment. Possible tecnical issues must be taken into preparation for a live match.


PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
May 15 2011 23:02 GMT
#8293
On May 16 2011 07:35 Uhhmm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:19 Talin wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:08 archonOOid wrote:
EightyFive May 16 2011 07:06. Posts 1 PM Profile Quote #
On May 16 2011 06:57 archonOOid wrote:
I think chill may have tilted naniwa in the last game... In the in-game chat naniwa seemed upset over the fact that chill didn't leave when he started to lag while thorzain kept his cool. This could have been a totally different game if he listened to naniwa. In a tense moment such as the last game in a bo7 the disconnection could have played a factor. Naniwa had to focus on whether chill would stay in the game or not and during that moment naniwa had a great opportunity to expand. Chill couldn't know that he would disconnect but I hope he prepared his computer for a lag free casting session. I think he should apologize to both players especially naniwa.


I think it also had to do with being 3-1 up.


yes that was certainly also a factor but the disconnection was another factor that played into the hands of thorzain


How did Chill lagging play into the hands of Thorzain? It affected both players equally, there was no advantage for one player or the other. Thorzain kept his cool in the situation while Nani didn't.


Naniwa was in a much more vulnerable position. Had he lost concentration for even a second vikings could have killed his collosi, and he also had to worry about ghosts. Thorzain was in a much more comfortable spot, having the high ground and knowing Naniwa had to go all the way around to attack with his whole army. Since Thorzaine also had the reactive role being on the defensive, any extra seconds to think about his next move would also benefit him.

Maybe it didn't matter and shit happens, but if it benefited any player it was Thorzaine, even disregarding nerves.


This has got to stop.

Every time someone lags in a game now, there's this ridiculous discussion about whether it "affected" them. What does that even mean? You can stretch the phrase "affected" to cover damn near anything, and it's annoying to see every NASL thread and the TSL finals thread filled with people using contorted logic to explain away why their favorite player lost.

I mean, look at the text of your post. You're trying to say that a 10-second pause hurt Naniwa. Naniwa, who had a 30 SUPPLY LEAD, better tech, and a fantastic position at Thorzain's nat.

That 10-second pause didn't make Naniwa try to break Thorzain. It didn't force him to make a bad decision and attack when he could have expanded again, added on gateways and maintained his light contain. It didn't affect him in any meaningful way, it doesn't mitigate the fact that he was outplayed, and it doesn't excuse his loss or take anything away from Thorzain.

Now can we please put this ridiculous bullshit to rest and stop bringing up latency or lag or pausing in every TL thread?
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
Rossweazel
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom135 Posts
May 15 2011 23:02 GMT
#8294
On May 16 2011 07:55 TheHova wrote:
Guys, Chill made a mistake. We all do it. We're all human after all. It just happened to be at possibly the worst time for it to ever happen. There's no point banging on about it, he's apologised. What more can he do? It's not like he can go back in time and prevent it from happening. Only make sure it never happens again.

Tbh i respect his honesty. He could have bullshitted us all and just said his computer froze or played dumb. A recent major tournament did do this and got caught out. He admitted it was his fault and apologised. Let's move on and not let it take away from one of the best series in SCII to date.


This man speaks sense.

We must immediately burn him at the stake, lest this spreads.
Klogbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 23:07:56
May 15 2011 23:04 GMT
#8295
It didn't happen 6 out of 7 games...it was a fluke, lets move on.

edit: This is what you get when the community complains until they get what they want (live games).

edit 2: The fact of the matter is it affected both players equally in technical terms, if NaNiwa got metagamed because of it that is his problem and it's part of the game.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
May 15 2011 23:05 GMT
#8296
On May 16 2011 08:02 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:35 Uhhmm wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:19 Talin wrote:
On May 16 2011 07:08 archonOOid wrote:
EightyFive May 16 2011 07:06. Posts 1 PM Profile Quote #
On May 16 2011 06:57 archonOOid wrote:
I think chill may have tilted naniwa in the last game... In the in-game chat naniwa seemed upset over the fact that chill didn't leave when he started to lag while thorzain kept his cool. This could have been a totally different game if he listened to naniwa. In a tense moment such as the last game in a bo7 the disconnection could have played a factor. Naniwa had to focus on whether chill would stay in the game or not and during that moment naniwa had a great opportunity to expand. Chill couldn't know that he would disconnect but I hope he prepared his computer for a lag free casting session. I think he should apologize to both players especially naniwa.


I think it also had to do with being 3-1 up.


yes that was certainly also a factor but the disconnection was another factor that played into the hands of thorzain


How did Chill lagging play into the hands of Thorzain? It affected both players equally, there was no advantage for one player or the other. Thorzain kept his cool in the situation while Nani didn't.


Naniwa was in a much more vulnerable position. Had he lost concentration for even a second vikings could have killed his collosi, and he also had to worry about ghosts. Thorzain was in a much more comfortable spot, having the high ground and knowing Naniwa had to go all the way around to attack with his whole army. Since Thorzaine also had the reactive role being on the defensive, any extra seconds to think about his next move would also benefit him.

Maybe it didn't matter and shit happens, but if it benefited any player it was Thorzaine, even disregarding nerves.


This has got to stop.

Every time someone lags in a game now, there's this ridiculous discussion about whether it "affected" them. What does that even mean? You can stretch the phrase "affected" to cover damn near anything, and it's annoying to see every NASL thread and the TSL finals thread filled with people using contorted logic to explain away why their favorite player lost.

I mean, look at the text of your post. You're trying to say that a 10-second pause hurt Naniwa. Naniwa, who had a 30 SUPPLY LEAD, better tech, and a fantastic position at Thorzain's nat.

That 10-second pause didn't make Naniwa try to break Thorzain. It didn't force him to make a bad decision and attack when he could have expanded again, added on gateways and maintained his light contain. It didn't affect him in any meaningful way, it doesn't mitigate the fact that he was outplayed, and it doesn't excuse his loss or take anything away from Thorzain.

Now can we please put this ridiculous bullshit to rest and stop bringing up latency or lag or pausing in every TL thread?


couldn't agree more, in fact it gave naniwa more time to think how he should play it out ;P
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alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 23:06:48
May 15 2011 23:06 GMT
#8297
thorzain was right, nani killed enough scvs and buildings, it was time to go home get 3rd, but got too greedy and lost
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
May 15 2011 23:06 GMT
#8298
Lol 10sec pause affects naniwa to lose? Why not pause the game everytime player faces naniwa, free win... not
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
May 15 2011 23:07 GMT
#8299
I really think people are reading too much into the lag. Anyways, I'm personally going to ignore that, but seriously, what an AWESOME series!!!
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
Seldon
Profile Joined March 2011
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 23:08:37
May 15 2011 23:07 GMT
#8300
On May 16 2011 07:49 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:29 CursedFeanor wrote:
Chill probably wasn't taking all the precautions to ensure lag-free play (he stated that he had the irc window open, which was spammed like hell....... would have been a good idea to close it no?). But I don't really mind since Day9 made an incredible job casting the end of the game and I don't believe this had any significant impact in the player's performance.

Hot_Bid specifically told us to close anything that could lag. I rebooted my computer and shutdown my laptop to make sure I didn't lag. I had IRC open because I liked to see the feedback. I honestly never thought it could be a potential lag source which was simply an oversight.


You shouldn't get shit for having IRC open because there's no way that was causing the lag unless a dedicated attack is going on by a person with a botnet in a channel you are in. I find it amazing people still don't understand that the Internet is just very fragile if you need an uninterrupted connection. ISPs are rebooting routers for update and changing routes all the time so random lagging while routes re-establish is a given and there's nothing you can do about it. The way people assumes all lag is client-end pisses me off.
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