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LangJaiQQ
Vietnam38 Posts
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
On May 19 2011 02:32 LangJaiQQ wrote: drewbie is pretty bad idn why waste this showmatch. Should've put someone else. Thank you for your insightful post dood. By the way, I don't Know is not abbreviated to idn... | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason. There was some apparent lag in the first game with his Ghost micro, which is usually really good. However, I think the main reason he lost was because he missed a couple of clear timings that would have won him the first two games, those games were a lot closer than people might think. If Drewbie had attacked in that second game maybe 20 seconds earlier, he would probably have won. Either way, well played by both sides, I think Drewbie needs to figure out a couple of key timings, he has a very macro game but I'm always left sitting there going, "Just attack, just attack now, oh god just attack" and then he attacks like 30 seconds later and loses the fight where he would have won it if he had moved moments sooner. | ||
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason. Its Internet people will bash whoever they want, even if they are the best sc2 player in the world. Drewbie is a great player, i said in some previous threads that hes easily top3 terran in NA and of course there is no shame in losing to Whitera or Dimaga or even Beastyqt, and as someone said already, props to Drewbie for choosing the best EU players to play against and not some mid tier players. What i didnt like however has nothing to do with Drewbie but your first post tbh. U were saying how Drewbie is great player and hes TvZ is awesome because he beat Check and Zenio who played from Korea with far worse lag than u ever experienced in your gaming career at like 4 am in the morning, and after than u said how Drewbie played Dimaga in unfair conditions with lag and unfair timing, which i think is quite ironic to say after u mentioned Check and Zenio. Anyways GL to Drewbie, hope he does well in the future. | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
On May 19 2011 02:41 SuperStyle wrote: Its Internet people will bash whoever they want, even if they are the best sc2 player in the world. Drewbie is a great player, i said in some previous threads that hes easily top3 terran in NA and of course there is no shame in losing to Whitera or Dimaga or even Beastyqt, and as someone said already, props to Drewbie for choosing the best EU players to play against and not some mid tier players. What i didnt like however has nothing to do with Drewbie but your first post tbh. U were saying how Drewbie is great player and hes TvZ is awesome because he beat Check and Zenio who played from Korea with far worse lag than u ever experienced in your gaming career at like 4 am in the morning, and after than u said how Drewbie played Dimaga in unfair conditions with lag and unfair timing, which i think is quite ironic to say after u mentioned Check and Zenio. Anyways GL to Drewbie, hope he does well in the future. Ok that's great. But catz was responding to people bashing drewbie. I think Catz anger has nothing to do with which accomplishment was better, or who the better player is. The anger comes from drewbie setting up these awesome showmatches, then people just complain. Everyone please stop complaining and just enjoy stuff. Trust me, its a nice way to go through life. I'm gunna stop defending catz/drewbie cause they can defend themselves/prolly dont care what people say, but I'd really like TL'ers to be happier and not complain so much >.< | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason. I think most of the people are bashing the whole NA sc2 pro scene, not directly Drewbie (Even I in slight form :D)  . But all in all, we love him ^_^. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 19 2011 03:59 Huragius wrote: I think most of the people are bashing the whole NA sc2 pro scene, not directly Drewbie (Even I in slight form :D) . But all in all, we love him ^_^.Damm dont expose us.... jk. Btw Drewbie at least has the balls to try and take the EU best. Idra tried 2 tourneys and never again come to EU online event. Oh and On May 19 2011 02:02 Azarkon wrote: How many people would watch Drewbie vs. RandomEUZergFromLadder? White-Ra and Dimaga were picked likely because they are high-profile players who would attract a lot of spectators, not because they are necessarily the best opponents for Drewbie. Then again, there aren't many people on NA that I would put up against White-Ra and Dimaga, except for the expensive pro-gamers like Idra who generally do not play for anything less than $200. I can assure you that Endrey will always pick a good player to face off versus Drewbie. So i would expect a very nice TvT next even if by some chance the player would be rather unknown to the NA people (remember TSL and people asking who is Kas?). And i think this series will be good for Drewbie in the long run even if he will lose more matches. He will get more familiar to EU viewers and he will play versus different types of play-styles that would broaden his knowledge about game. Well his and Catz's (the Dimaga weird timings and so on). I really hope for epic TvT next time (man im repeating myself) | ||
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nYaLa
Uzbekistan295 Posts
I think it's great to see Drewbie battling Europeans, and yes most of the players he's going to face in these showmatches are ''better'', but it's cool to see those showmatches nonetheless ^.^! And I wish him luck in the next matches. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44052 Posts
On May 19 2011 02:35 Beef Noodles wrote: Thank you for your insightful post dood. By the way, I don't Know is not abbreviated to idn... Hahaha. Besides, Drewbie isn't so bad that he can't beat Europeans. A lot of the games so far have been good or close, and have just happened to end up in favor of the other player. | ||
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
The Server: The reason we played the 1st series on NA was simply becasue WhiteRa was already on there since he practiced with moonan and others some games because at this time the patch was already out on NA but not on EU. Drewbie thought all matches will be played on NA. I thought all matches will be played on EU (because he is playing european players, so he is basicly on 'enemy territory' hehe). I know the connection between NA <> EU can be but not neccessarily has to be shitty. E.g. my connection to NA is just fine, but I know that beasty (who lives in serbia) has a shitty connection (he even changed his ISP and still got no improvement) to the NA servers. This means it can go the other way around aswell and sometimes it's just luck deciding wether your connection is good or not. Drewbie told me that he only had lags in the 1st game and no other lags in the remaining games. And still after the 1st game with fifty dollars on the line - he said - "ok we can continue to play on EU" very very nice and mannered by him! The Players: I do the player selection. It's my choice who he plays against Drew. I am really greatful for WhiteRa and Dimaga to play the games even tho 50$ might not be THAT much compared to what they got offered sometimes by others. I'm not really sure what people who are saying I should select more medicore players 'who drewbie has a chance against', want to see. I mean, I was not too sure about his playstyle since I mostly cast European players/tours. So I informed myself about him (talked to other players, checked TLPD etc.etc.) And judging by his accomplishments recently and in general (win over Zenio, winning Zotac NA, win a TL Open etc.etc.) and the fact the he is living in a teamhouse with catz, tt1, fenix etc. is a good thing aswell regarding a good practice enviroment, so I dont see the point in letting him play against other less good players. Yeah sure, he might be the underdog, but hes still playing on a level where he is able to compete. It's no shame to get beaten by those two guys. I mean in Korea for the WC Ra won vs MC and Dimaga vs Nestea! Does that mean that PoltPrime who won his last 4 games vs oGsMC is the better player? Hell no. I won't deny having 'big names' plays a role as well in the player selection but the main reason is just simple entertainment. The games were entertaining - mission accomplished ! =) One more thing about Beasty. People consider him not that good in general because he is not a big "name". I would easily put him on Top5 Terran on EU. He is allkilling teams from NA +EU in teammatches. His teammates beeing Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. gives him nothing but the best to practice with and beside from winning tons of the weekly cups here on EU he has proven himself even in my own tournament where he was able to beat WhiteRa in Bo5 3:1 in a pretty convincing fashion. Other than that he was ranked #1 world on the new ladder season at least twice. If he would play nasl - he would destroy. The Manners: Another reason for me why I have choosen the players that are playing in this series is simply that those people are nice people. Dimaga still playing even tho he had troubles with his computer (the vehicle of eSports trololol :D ) and saying "ok lets do this" to my suggestion to play on the new GSTL map Bel'Shir Beach even though he never played on this map before. WhiteRa for still playing this Series even tho NASL said that he had to play a match basicly at the same time (he got told 1 day before the showmatch), so he played 2 matches before the nasl games - played the nasl games - and then still said ok lets play another bo5. and after his victory said "gg, very close game". Drewbie for his manners regarding the issues he is having on EU sometimes (the internet infrastucture in most parts of the US is just bullcrap - i know people who know people hehe), and still saying "ok lets play here on EU anyway" his decision to accept Bel'Shit Beach as a map, even though he was behind 1:2 and never played a single game on this map. TL;DR I will continue to go look for strong opponents. The series is bringing some good entertainment to the audience. Drewbie is a good player who is able to compete. GL HF to us all p.s. as soon as i have a new opponent ill let you all know. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:29 Special Endrey wrote: ok people just to clarify some things: The Server: The reason we played the 1st series on NA was simply becasue WhiteRa was already on there since he practiced with moonan and others some games because at this time the patch was already out on NA but not on EU. Drewbie thought all matches will be played on NA. I thought all matches will be played on EU (because he is playing european players, so he is basicly on 'enemy territory' hehe). I know the connection between NA <> EU can be but not neccessarily has to be shitty. E.g. my connection to NA is just fine, but I know that beasty (who lives in serbia) has a shitty connection (he even changed his ISP and still got no improvement) to the NA servers. This means it can go the other way around aswell and sometimes it's just luck deciding wether your connection is good or not. Drewbie told me that he only had lags in the 1st game and no other lags in the remaining games. And still after the 1st game with fifty dollars on the line - he said - "ok we can continue to play on EU" very very nice and mannered by him! The Players: I do the player selection. It's my choice who he plays against Drew. I am really greatful for WhiteRa and Dimaga to play the games even tho 50$ might not be THAT much compared to what they got offered sometimes by others. I'm not really sure what people who are saying I should select more medicore players 'who drewbie has a chance against', want to see. I mean, I was not too sure about his playstyle since I mostly cast European players/tours. So I informed myself about him (talked to other players, checked TLPD etc.etc.) And judging by his accomplishments recently and in general (win over Zenio, winning Zotac NA, win a TL Open etc.etc.) and the fact the he is living in a teamhouse with catz, tt1, fenix etc. is a good thing aswell regarding a good practice enviroment, so I dont see the point in letting him play against other less good players. Yeah sure, he might be the underdog, but hes still playing on a level where he is able to compete. It's no shame to get beaten by those two guys. I mean in Korea for the WC Ra won vs MC and Dimaga vs Nestea! Does that mean that PoltPrime who won his last 4 games vs oGsMC is the better player? Hell no. I won't deny having 'big names' plays a role as well in the player selection but the main reason is just simple entertainment. The games were entertaining - mission accomplished ! =) One more thing about Beasty. People consider him not that good in general because he is not a big "name". I would easily put him on Top5 Terran on EU. He is allkilling teams from NA +EU in teammatches. His teammates beeing Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. gives him nothing but the best to practice with and beside from winning tons of the weekly cups here on EU he has proven himself even in my own tournament where he was able to beat WhiteRa in Bo5 3:1 in a pretty convincing fashion. Other than that he was ranked #1 world on the new ladder season at least twice. If he would play nasl - he would destroy. The Manners: Another reason for me why I have choosen the players that are playing in this series is simply that those people are nice people. Dimaga still playing even tho he had troubles with his computer (the vehicle of eSports trololol :D ) and saying "ok lets do this" to my suggestion to play on the new GSTL map Bel'Shir Beach even though he never played on this map before. WhiteRa for still playing this Series even tho NASL said that he had to play a match basicly at the same time (he got told 1 day before the showmatch), so he played 2 matches before the nasl games - played the nasl games - and then still said ok lets play another bo5. and after his victory said "gg, very close game". Drewbie for his manners regarding the issues he is having on EU sometimes (the internet infrastucture in most parts of the US is just bullcrap - i know people who know people hehe), and still saying "ok lets play here on EU anyway" his decision to accept Bel'Shit Beach as a map, even though he was behind 1:2 and never played a single game on this map. TL;DR I will continue to go look for strong opponents. The series is bringing some good entertainment to the audience. Drewbie is a good player who is able to compete. GL HF to us all p.s. as soon as i have a new opponent ill let you all know. Maybe Kas ? ^^ He is very mannered and one of Europe's TOP players  EDIT: I share the same opinion as you about Beastyq. | ||
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:35 Huragius wrote: Maybe Kas ? ^^ He is very mannered and one of Europe's TOP players EDIT: I share the same opinion as you about Beastyq. I would love to see drewbie vs Kas... or Happy now that I think about it. I definitely haven't seen enough of Happy playing. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:55 Egyptian_Head wrote: I would love to see drewbie vs Kas... or Happy now that I think about it. I definitely haven't seen enough of Happy playing. I'd love to see Kas too. Although it might be slighty onesided. | ||
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Ruseter
Canada17 Posts
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
On May 19 2011 04:29 Special Endrey wrote: ok people just to clarify some things: The Server: The reason we played the 1st series on NA was simply becasue WhiteRa was already on there since he practiced with moonan and others some games because at this time the patch was already out on NA but not on EU. Drewbie thought all matches will be played on NA. I thought all matches will be played on EU (because he is playing european players, so he is basicly on 'enemy territory' hehe). I know the connection between NA <> EU can be but not neccessarily has to be shitty. E.g. my connection to NA is just fine, but I know that beasty (who lives in serbia) has a shitty connection (he even changed his ISP and still got no improvement) to the NA servers. This means it can go the other way around aswell and sometimes it's just luck deciding wether your connection is good or not. Drewbie told me that he only had lags in the 1st game and no other lags in the remaining games. And still after the 1st game with fifty dollars on the line - he said - "ok we can continue to play on EU" very very nice and mannered by him! The Players: I do the player selection. It's my choice who he plays against Drew. I am really greatful for WhiteRa and Dimaga to play the games even tho 50$ might not be THAT much compared to what they got offered sometimes by others. I'm not really sure what people who are saying I should select more medicore players 'who drewbie has a chance against', want to see. I mean, I was not too sure about his playstyle since I mostly cast European players/tours. So I informed myself about him (talked to other players, checked TLPD etc.etc.) And judging by his accomplishments recently and in general (win over Zenio, winning Zotac NA, win a TL Open etc.etc.) and the fact the he is living in a teamhouse with catz, tt1, fenix etc. is a good thing aswell regarding a good practice enviroment, so I dont see the point in letting him play against other less good players. Yeah sure, he might be the underdog, but hes still playing on a level where he is able to compete. It's no shame to get beaten by those two guys. I mean in Korea for the WC Ra won vs MC and Dimaga vs Nestea! Does that mean that PoltPrime who won his last 4 games vs oGsMC is the better player? Hell no. I won't deny having 'big names' plays a role as well in the player selection but the main reason is just simple entertainment. The games were entertaining - mission accomplished ! =) One more thing about Beasty. People consider him not that good in general because he is not a big "name". I would easily put him on Top5 Terran on EU. He is allkilling teams from NA +EU in teammatches. His teammates beeing Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. gives him nothing but the best to practice with and beside from winning tons of the weekly cups here on EU he has proven himself even in my own tournament where he was able to beat WhiteRa in Bo5 3:1 in a pretty convincing fashion. Other than that he was ranked #1 world on the new ladder season at least twice. If he would play nasl - he would destroy. The Manners: Another reason for me why I have choosen the players that are playing in this series is simply that those people are nice people. Dimaga still playing even tho he had troubles with his computer (the vehicle of eSports trololol :D ) and saying "ok lets do this" to my suggestion to play on the new GSTL map Bel'Shir Beach even though he never played on this map before. WhiteRa for still playing this Series even tho NASL said that he had to play a match basicly at the same time (he got told 1 day before the showmatch), so he played 2 matches before the nasl games - played the nasl games - and then still said ok lets play another bo5. and after his victory said "gg, very close game". Drewbie for his manners regarding the issues he is having on EU sometimes (the internet infrastucture in most parts of the US is just bullcrap - i know people who know people hehe), and still saying "ok lets play here on EU anyway" his decision to accept Bel'Shit Beach as a map, even though he was behind 1:2 and never played a single game on this map. TL;DR I will continue to go look for strong opponents. The series is bringing some good entertainment to the audience. Drewbie is a good player who is able to compete. GL HF to us all p.s. as soon as i have a new opponent ill let you all know. Well said Endrey, couldnt agree more, specially about Beastyqt. Good luck with this and other stuff u plan for us in the future. Id like to see Happy to be honest, hes probably the most beastly terran outside of Korea atm(yes people i said Happy not Thorzain) and i would love to see him play because it hard to catch him in these weekly tournaments. | ||
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
 Drewbie vs DIMAGA Bo5: Game1, Game2, Game3, Game4, Game 5 | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
On May 19 2011 01:57 Beef Noodles wrote: Wow I can't believe some people. Drewbie is one of the best Terrans in NA, and by far the most underrated. I'm not judging this on results (even though he does have results). I'm judging this on his play style/mechanics. He's super solid and he doesn't rely on gimmicks. I can't wait till he becomes one of the top terrans, and the results reflect that, then we won't have to deal with all the negative comments. I guess a lot of the negative comments is because a lot of people, like you, say he's one of the most underrated players, when his results in MLG lately and NASL haven't been that impressive. Sure he won ZOTAC, but it's not even that important of a tourney. I think that's where a lot of people's comments are coming from. On May 19 2011 04:11 nYaLa wrote: Why are people basing Drewbie so hard? Especially when most of the people that post probably are in masters or lower and will most likely never ever take a game off White-Ra, Dimaga or Drewbie. I think it's great to see Drewbie battling Europeans, and yes most of the players he's going to face in these showmatches are ''better'', but it's cool to see those showmatches nonetheless ^.^! And I wish him luck in the next matches. I'll never understand the logic behind these arguments. Most of us "in masters or lower" aren't playing this game for a living. When comparing players who are professional, you compare them to other professional players. It's like how we don't compare NFL or NBA players to high school students. Totally different level. Or we don't compare professional football players such as Rooney to average Joe who plays football for fun. Us comparing Drewbie or whatever professional player, to any other player professional player has nothing to do without own personal play. It's easy to tell sometime when there is a skill gap between players, I don't think we have to be Grandmaster to be able to tell that, similar to how we can tell there is a difference between Kobe Bryant/Michael Jordan to a bench player on any NBA team, even if I'm horrible at basketball. | ||
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fabulously
Norway724 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:37 ct2299 wrote: I guess a lot of the negative comments is because a lot of people, like you, say he's one of the most underrated players, when his results in MLG lately and NASL haven't been that impressive. Sure he won ZOTAC, but it's not even that important of a tourney. I think that's where a lot of people's comments are coming from. Just curious, how does his results in MLG Dallas qualify to use of the term 'not that impressive'? - Went undefeated in the seeded groupplay against Tyler, Machine and AGH. - Lost to Naniwa who didnt drop a single BOx in a month or so around MLG. - Lost to TLO who finished 5th. I think this is exactly why we feel drewbie is among the most underrated players. No, he hasn't won a MLG yet, but in all 4 he has placed really well(5th, 12th, 11th, 8th), but most people seem to consider it 'not that impressive'. | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
Oke now the games. Its very simple Drewbie lost because he was to passive which is the last thing you need to do against Dimaga. Dimaga took risks to tech fast and drewbie stayed in base....Dimaga was very vulnerable to drop play since he didnt go muta and that was the only way to win the games and not going for a straight fight after turtleling 15 minutes against a known Macro zerg. | ||
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