it was a pretty one sided series, with a total of 16:2 in favour of Europe .
I am not talking about possible reasons or anything like that im just stating facts atm.
Beside from the results - the games where entertaining and we truly had some of the best players in EU playing against Drewbie.
Once again I apoligize for delays we had in the past. I tried my best to keep everyone entertained and provide some high quality commentary to some high quality matches - so thanks once again to Beastyqt , Kas , Tefel for providing us some out-of-the-main-part-conent
However the results were - I appreciate the discussions and the opinions by everyone here in the thread and in the chat as well and I hope to be able to deliver some high quality content in the future once again.
SO if anybody want to sponsor something similar or knows of a company who might be interested to do something like that feel free to contact me!
In addition to that - tell me what players you might want to see in the future for similar events, who do you want to see duke it out. Of course I am way better conected in Euope I still can try my best here. Keep in mind that my ressources are limited and getting IdrA to play some matches might not be too easy for me to achieve.
Starting this Tuesday, May 10 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) we will have 4 part Showmatch Series with ROOT's own Drewbie taking on various players from Europe once a week!
So it's time for our last opponent for Drewbie - this time he is not from the Ukraine but from Germany. NOW ITS GOODY TIME + Show Spoiler +
To start things off BIGTIME - Drewbie's opponent for this week will be none other than the nicest person who ever stood foot on this planet: White-Ra+ Show Spoiler +
in a Bo5 series. Drewbie's Next Opponent will be non other than DIMAGA! + Show Spoiler +
And since Drewbie said that this is prolly his best matchup, we should be seeing some entertaining matches =)
Glad it's on at a sensible time for the euro players and spectators, thanks for organising this Endrey. Thanks to the players and whoever is stumping up the cash.
Drewbie is going to be really sore by the end of these four weeks
That pic is in desperate need of some photoshop skills - four euro player heads and Endrey's. (Although looks as though White Ra has already been done)
drewbie vs whitera. battle for the palest guy in esports?
gl to both
On May 09 2011 22:49 Full.tilt wrote:
That pic is in desperate need of some photoshop skills - four euro player heads and Endrey's. (Although looks as though White Ra has already been done)
Maybe you could bring players we don't see in every tournament? Like Nerchio, diestar, bischu, tod, happy, grubby etc... it would be funnier than watching the same players over and over plus I don't think drewbie stand a chance against people like dimaga, nani, sjow, etc... Anyway I think white ra will win easily if he takes it seriously
Im in the White ra fanclub il be ROOTing for him ofcourse . 4-3 for White Ra is what i hope for a score but very unlikely since white ra is just to gosu and ofcourse his special taktix are just to awesome.
On May 11 2011 02:18 HaRxTears wrote: Im in the White ra fanclub il be ROOTing for him ofcourse . 4-3 for White Ra is what i hope for a score but very unlikely since white ra is just to gosu and ofcourse his special taktix are just to awesome.
its also unliekly becasue its a bo5 instead of bo7 hehe
Sweet, I'm afraid for Drewbie White-Ra will defeat him, but if he does some nice timing pushes (or maybe even SCV all-ins) he will have a chance as the majority of White-Ra's losses on ladder can be attributed to such kind of attacks
On May 11 2011 02:18 HaRxTears wrote: Im in the White ra fanclub il be ROOTing for him ofcourse . 4-3 for White Ra is what i hope for a score but very unlikely since white ra is just to gosu and ofcourse his special taktix are just to awesome.
its also unliekly becasue its a bo5 instead of bo7 hehe
Haha Excuse me then xD il go for a 3-2 for white ra then. Very nice thing you set up endrey :p
On May 10 2011 22:29 drooL wrote: wonder who the next contenders will be. white-ra 3 - 2 drewbie imo
Any requests?
I'd love to see an epic TvT with DeMuslim.
Good call, I would also like to see more DeMusliM play. Then maybe a couple of zergs. Dimaga then maybe Apollo so Drewbie has a chance to win one match at least? :D
Only joking, would like to see Nerchio have a shot instead of Apollo, he could play random too so you'd have a P, T, Z and R match.
On May 10 2011 22:29 drooL wrote: wonder who the next contenders will be. white-ra 3 - 2 drewbie imo
Any requests?
I'd love to see an epic TvT with DeMuslim.
Good call, I would also like to see more DeMusliM play. Then maybe a couple of zergs. Dimaga then maybe Apollo so Drewbie has a chance to win one match at least? :D
Talking shit eh?.. I think he has good chances against WhiteRA, he would tear DeMulsiM a new one and would lose to Dimaga... most likely heh.
White-Ra is streaming atm and Drewbie whispered him 'we have showmatch now xD?'. It seems White-Ra forgot they arranged this beforehand (at least, I assume they did)? Interesting. Anyway, people can watch it unfold at White-Ra's stream.
He hasn't forgotten. Patch is not up on EU yet and he has not had any experience with PvT since thee patch, so he arranged a training game with FXO Moonan. After this he will be playing.
On May 11 2011 05:15 dani` wrote: White-Ra is streaming atm and Drewbie whispered him 'we have showmatch now xD?'. It seems White-Ra forgot they arranged this beforehand (at least, I assume they did)? Interesting. Anyway, people can watch it unfold at White-Ra's stream.
Games are on NA... And NA got patched. Whitra needs to finish his 1.3 training since there is still no patch for EU.
On May 11 2011 05:16 Jinsho wrote: He hasn't forgotten. Patch is not up on EU yet and he has not had any experience with PvT since thee patch, so he arranged a training game with FXO Moonan. After this he will be playing.
Heh, well White-Ra did forget he just said it on his stream And apparently he also has to play NASL in 40 minutes, ouch. I think the showmatch will be postponed T_T.
From watching only from his stream he basically had zero units/minerals and it looked like terran had even more units coming. Probably mistake to put down his nexus.
Also he lost that prism full of all his zealots. Which was 2/3 of his army.
Yeah whitera definitely had that. All he had to do was pack that warp prism back up with a couple of zealots and hit drewbies mineral line, drewbie would have been forced to attack and even if whitera lost his expo he could have held his ramp with those sentries and colossus.
On May 11 2011 06:13 darlhet wrote: white ra had to go so he was like "wuteva" i think in a normal situation he would have won the second match with ez
What miracle would he have pulled out for that? He played his standard game and went for warp prism harass, but this time, Drewbie was ready.
Drewbie had already taken a second base and White-ra was behind, an all-in would likely have been an option most people would choose but White-ra chose to expand and try and play catch up, but against a player of Drewbie's level, that just doesn't work to well.
Also, pretty sure Drewbie had some marines left behind to deal with any Warp Prism cuteness, unless he already killed it with the Vikings.
On May 11 2011 06:13 darlhet wrote: white ra had to go so he was like "wuteva" i think in a normal situation he would have won the second match with ez
What miracle would he have pulled out for that? He played his standard game and went for warp prism harass, but this time, Drewbie was ready.
Drewbie had already taken a second base and White-ra was behind, an all-in would likely have been an option most people would choose but White-ra chose to expand and try and play catch up, but against a player of Drewbie's level, that just doesn't work to well.
Also, pretty sure Drewbie had some marines left behind to deal with any Warp Prism cuteness, unless he already killed it with the Vikings.
Ready? It was 28 workers vs drewbie's 10 after the first prism drop.
On May 11 2011 06:13 darlhet wrote: white ra had to go so he was like "wuteva" i think in a normal situation he would have won the second match with ez
What miracle would he have pulled out for that? He played his standard game and went for warp prism harass, but this time, Drewbie was ready.
Drewbie had already taken a second base and White-ra was behind, an all-in would likely have been an option most people would choose but White-ra chose to expand and try and play catch up, but against a player of Drewbie's level, that just doesn't work to well.
Also, pretty sure Drewbie had some marines left behind to deal with any Warp Prism cuteness, unless he already killed it with the Vikings.
Ready? It was 28 workers vs drewbie's 10 after the first prism drop.
Drewbie had an expansion did he not, and more army as it was? Regardless, White-ra was behind unless he managed to survive Drewbie's pokes, setup that expansion and then get a good engage.
It was by no means impossible, but he didn't just leave for time purposes or discard that game, he was solidly behind.
He traded at least 6 maybe 10? zealots to kill almost only scvs then laid down an expo. He did not deal the damage early enough for drewbie not to have an army and tech structures and an expansion. White Ra had too little at home, even if it was awesome. So he lost, that game was over when he left, drewbie had vikings and medivacs and had crushed all but what White-Ra was warping in.
On May 11 2011 06:13 darlhet wrote: white ra had to go so he was like "wuteva" i think in a normal situation he would have won the second match with ez
Lets not dimish the play here, he had no money to warp in units...
On May 11 2011 06:32 BansheeDK wrote: Beastyqt is really good. Respect to the caster to find some entertainment while WhiteRa plays his NASL games. Good job.
Yeah, indeed on both points. Beastyqt is awesome, and this extra "entertaintment" is awesome.
On May 11 2011 07:16 Bagi wrote: Have they played any games yet? Watching White-ras stream and he's in Russian mode atm, so I have no idea what's going on.
Well played White Ra, ul Drewbie. Like to see quite a large number of zealots like that in the ball with quick upgrades. Maybe some kiting would've helped but wasn't much room for terran to maneuver.
Fun to watch, looking forward to the next showmatch!
Well, Drewbie was pretty shit at TvP when he played White-ra, is slightly better now, and he's always been solid against Zerg, here's hoping we can see some really good games.
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i dont see a chance for drewbie here tbh. i dont mean to be a dick but this showmatchseries does not make that much sense to me, if u take players who outclass drewbie.
Dimaga cleans up game one with Ultra/Infestor/Ling.
Is anyone else encountering stream stuttering? Not just the picture, but the audio as well. I've been having intermittent connection issues all week so I'm just curious if it's me.
On May 18 2011 05:23 Maxentius wrote: Dimaga cleans up game one with Ultra/Infestor/Ling.
Is anyone else encountering stream stuttering? Not just the picture, but the audio as well. I've been having intermittent connection issues all week so I'm just curious if it's me.
Yeah I was having pretty big lag spikes, but it was only with the video. My audio was consistently working.
They're gonna keep playing the showmatch, despite Drewbie's latency disadvantage
On May 18 2011 05:23 Maxentius wrote: Dimaga cleans up game one with Ultra/Infestor/Ling.
Is anyone else encountering stream stuttering? Not just the picture, but the audio as well. I've been having intermittent connection issues all week so I'm just curious if it's me.
Yeah I was having pretty big lag spikes, but it was only with the video. My audio was consistently working.
They're gonna keep playing the showmatch, despite Drewbie's latency disadvantage
Funny, seeing how almost every single one of these showmatches is played on the US server. I guess acommodations should always be made so US players always get that small advantage.
On May 18 2011 05:23 Maxentius wrote: Dimaga cleans up game one with Ultra/Infestor/Ling.
Is anyone else encountering stream stuttering? Not just the picture, but the audio as well. I've been having intermittent connection issues all week so I'm just curious if it's me.
Yeah I was having pretty big lag spikes, but it was only with the video. My audio was consistently working.
They're gonna keep playing the showmatch, despite Drewbie's latency disadvantage
Funny, seeing how almost every single one of these showmatches is played on the US server. I guess acommodations should always be made so US players always get that small advantage.
Well, isn't this whole series of showmatches based around Drewbie?
Of course, it would be ideal if they could find a server where neither of them have any lag issues, sure.
Drewbie needs to tech up... he was ahead there and lost it all when his bio attempted to take on the usual speedling/ infestor/ ultralisk. Dimaga outplaying him. There needs to be some spread tanks or something.
Drewbie takes out the natural of Dimaga in the third game early on, but instead of pulling back and enjoying his own expansion, overcommits and throws away his huuuuge advantage x.x
Damn man. Too greedy. Now there are so many zerglings and a baneling nest on the way.
Dimaga runs up to Drewbie's natural with a load of lings. There's a bunker, but it gets swarmed under. Drewbie beats off the zerglings nonetheless. 23 harvesters to 21.
On May 18 2011 06:08 Moralez wrote: DImaga said 'lol' because of the creep spread on the water not because of the hellions.
Meh, well this caster isn't exactly the best.
On May 18 2011 06:10 IzieBoy wrote: is it done yet? i bet drewbie won lol judging by the player's histories... unless dimaga has some cool hidden tactics as usual....
I feel like drewbie has never played bel'shir beach before. Well, i guess it's likely that neither players have, but drewbie isn't playing to the map at all.
I feel like Drewbie's style just got raped by Dimaga the first two games... He was ahead on bases at one point, ahead on upgrades, but he never attacked... He missed every single timing he could have hit and then just got decimated by a fast tech, 200/200 Ultra, Infestor, Zergling composition the first two games.
The first game, he probably could have made it work with Ghosts, the second game, he didn't even have the ghosts for the Infestors.
There were 3-4 moments in those games where if Drewbie had just attacked, he would have won the game, but he never attacked.
On May 18 2011 06:18 Mordiford wrote: I feel like Drewbie's style just got raped by Dimaga the first two games... He was ahead on bases at one point, ahead on upgrades, but he never attacked... He missed every single timing he could have hit and then just got decimated by a fast tech, 200/200 Ultra, Infestor, Zergling composition the first two games.
The first game, he probably could have made it work with Ghosts, the second game, he didn't even have the ghosts for the Infestors.
There were 3-4 moments in those games where if Drewbie had just attacked, he would have won the game, but he never attacked.
I totally agree. Game 1 could have gone either way if he made the ghosts work. Game two he either needed to try and make ghosts work again or pressure way earlier. These games were/could have been a lot closer than everyone is making them out to be.
On May 18 2011 09:46 IceMan80 wrote: ROFL!!! LOL!!! Great idea by drewbie. Who will pwn him next week? ^^
Why are 9 out of 13 of your posts (10 including this one) either completely whining about the 'lack of quality' with North American events, or flaming someone?
Stop being such a jerk
Drewbie's had really tough opponents so far lol, Dimaga is one of the best Euro Z's as well as one of the best foreign Z's, and same goes for White-Ra, and Beastyqt is an awesome player too. Drewbie has been in a slump recently
On May 18 2011 09:46 IceMan80 wrote: ROFL!!! LOL!!! Great idea by drewbie. Who will pwn him next week? ^^
Without knowing exactly what goes on behind the scenes, I am pretty sure showmatches are not initiated by the players. drewbie is just showing how to be a good sport. Accepting all these showmatches, providing us spectators great entertainment. He could easily have declined the requests for showmatch series, but fortunately for us he didn't.
Starting off going vs Whitera and moving on to DIMAGA aren't really easy tasks, kudos to drewbie for taking the challenge and the best of luck for next week.
On May 18 2011 16:00 ParasitJonte wrote: No disrespect but, it would've been more interesting with someone like Kiwikaki. Just saying...
maybe go fund some showmatches with KiWiKaKi in them then, lol. Drewbie is a great player, he JUST won the first Zotac NA cup not long ago, as of for TvZ he beat CheckPrime and oGsZenio BOX in tournaments recently, there's always people bitching about everything, its sort of annoying. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I was watching drewbie's screen during his match with Dimaga, Dimaga took a lot of risks and they payed off hoping drewbie wouldn't move out and killed at many points in time, and being aggressive at unlikely timings.
I thought Dimaga's play was fantastic and very clever, that's why he's in my opinion one of the best zergs in the world. But also I was watching drewbie's screen while he was playing, its pretty annoying latency to the EU server a lot of the time, its pretty random, but playing with lagspikes and right after you wake up/exercise without any warm-up isn't ideal either. props to Dimaga <3 he played a great series. Better luck to drew next time, I know for a fact he can beat anyone.
On May 11 2011 06:29 s4life wrote: Beastyqt is so underrated.. but so is drewbie, he can take the next game.
Who is Beastyqt, he beat Drewbie 3-0.
I feel like the ROOT players have sort of plateaued lately, with the exception of Kiwikaki and Destiny perhaps (since Destiny HAS admittedly improved a lot since joining a Team, but still isn't at the same level as some of the other pros, despite making IPL 2).
On May 18 2011 16:00 ParasitJonte wrote: No disrespect but, it would've been more interesting with someone like Kiwikaki. Just saying...
maybe go fund some showmatches with KiWiKaKi in them then, lol. Drewbie is a great player, he JUST won the first Zotac NA cup not long ago, as of for TvZ he beat CheckPrime and oGsZenio BOX in tournaments recently, there's always people bitching about everything, its sort of annoying. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I was watching drewbie's screen during his match with Dimaga, Dimaga took a lot of risks and they payed off hoping drewbie wouldn't move out and killed at many points in time, and being aggressive at unlikely timings.
I thought Dimaga's play was fantastic and very clever, that's why he's in my opinion one of the best zergs in the world. But also I was watching drewbie's screen while he was playing, its pretty annoying latency to the EU server a lot of the time, its pretty random, but playing with lagspikes and right after you wake up/exercise without any warm-up isn't ideal either. props to Dimaga <3 he played a great series. Better luck to drew next time, I know for a fact he can beat anyone.
I have to agree with CatZ ,even though im a Dimaga fan, i say that drewbie played very good in first 2 games, it was much closer than it looked, too bad he mismicroed ghosts on terminus.
On May 18 2011 20:21 zende wrote: this is not good for americans.. us europeans will have this as such a good argument that EU is better than NA. oh well, eu pride :DD
On May 18 2011 16:00 ParasitJonte wrote: No disrespect but, it would've been more interesting with someone like Kiwikaki. Just saying...
maybe go fund some showmatches with KiWiKaKi in them then, lol. Drewbie is a great player, he JUST won the first Zotac NA cup not long ago, as of for TvZ he beat CheckPrime and oGsZenio BOX in tournaments recently, there's always people bitching about everything, its sort of annoying. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I was watching drewbie's screen during his match with Dimaga, Dimaga took a lot of risks and they payed off hoping drewbie wouldn't move out and killed at many points in time, and being aggressive at unlikely timings.
I thought Dimaga's play was fantastic and very clever, that's why he's in my opinion one of the best zergs in the world. But also I was watching drewbie's screen while he was playing, its pretty annoying latency to the EU server a lot of the time, its pretty random, but playing with lagspikes and right after you wake up/exercise without any warm-up isn't ideal either. props to Dimaga <3 he played a great series. Better luck to drew next time, I know for a fact he can beat anyone.
Its not like EU players play every single NA tournament on EU server, they play them all on NA, with latency also in bad time of the day for them. Although what i find ironic in ur post is that u praise Drewbie for beating Check and Zenio who played with even worse lag than Drewbie had on EU but u blame the lag for him losing to Dimaga. I guess now u know how every EU player feels when they play NASL or IPL or anything else.
On May 18 2011 16:00 ParasitJonte wrote: No disrespect but, it would've been more interesting with someone like Kiwikaki. Just saying...
maybe go fund some showmatches with KiWiKaKi in them then, lol. Drewbie is a great player, he JUST won the first Zotac NA cup not long ago, as of for TvZ he beat CheckPrime and oGsZenio BOX in tournaments recently, there's always people bitching about everything, its sort of annoying. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I was watching drewbie's screen during his match with Dimaga, Dimaga took a lot of risks and they payed off hoping drewbie wouldn't move out and killed at many points in time, and being aggressive at unlikely timings.
I thought Dimaga's play was fantastic and very clever, that's why he's in my opinion one of the best zergs in the world. But also I was watching drewbie's screen while he was playing, its pretty annoying latency to the EU server a lot of the time, its pretty random, but playing with lagspikes and right after you wake up/exercise without any warm-up isn't ideal either. props to Dimaga <3 he played a great series. Better luck to drew next time, I know for a fact he can beat anyone.
All i can say for the lag issue is that's what you guys expect out of Europeans and Koreans playing in North American tournaments. Pulling that as an explanation doesn't reflect well.
I mean, Drewbie played against Cloud, Socke and Boxer when they had to play on NA server and he still lost, what's the reasoning there? Is it really a lag issue or the people he's up against just being better players.
I'm a bit confused though, you use the wakeup/no exercise explanation, but doesn't Drewbie know he's going to be playing at that time?
On May 18 2011 20:21 zende wrote: this is not good for americans.. us europeans will have this as such a good argument that EU is better than NA. oh well, eu pride :DD
I think we've pretty much established through various threads on this forum that EU skill-wise is superior to NA.
I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
On May 18 2011 21:25 Cri du Chat wrote: I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
On May 18 2011 21:25 Cri du Chat wrote: I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
Ah yes, Drewbie doing this is great. But CatZ coming here and citing lag and scheduling is not so great.
There's nothing shameful in admitting that the people he is up against are simply BETTER players.
I think the reason that people are bashing NA players, is that their reputation is too good, and they receive too much money in sponsorships for being relatively mediocore players. A lot of the "top" NA players would barely be grand master players in europe. In europe there are a lot of "unknown" players that skillwise would be top 10 in NA.
On May 18 2011 23:51 Hider wrote: I think the reason that people are bashing NA players, is that their reputation is too good, and they receive too much money in sponsorships for being relatively mediocore players. A lot of the "top" NA players would barely be grand master players in europe. In europe there are a lot of "unknown" players that skillwise would be top 10 in NA.
On May 18 2011 21:25 Cri du Chat wrote: I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
Actually I think that EmpireBeastyq can easily be one of TOP 5 Terran's in EU. He is taking a lot of cups at the moment and his games are solid as hell.
On May 18 2011 21:25 Cri du Chat wrote: I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
Actually I think that EmpireBeastyq can easily be one of TOP 5 Terran's in EU. He is taking a lot of cups at the moment and his games are solid as hell.
i agree that beastyqt is rly good, but he isnt anywhere near top 5 terran. I wouldnt really put him above Happy, Kas, Thorzain, Bratok, Demuslim, Sjow, Cloud, Strelok.
On May 18 2011 21:25 Cri du Chat wrote: I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
Actually I think that EmpireBeastyq can easily be one of TOP 5 Terran's in EU. He is taking a lot of cups at the moment and his games are solid as hell.
i agree that beastyqt is rly good, but he isnt anywhere near top 5 terran. I wouldnt really put him above Happy, Kas, Thorzain, Bratok, Demuslim, Sjow, Cloud, Strelok.
Well, I have a lot of replays of every single player you mentioned, and Bestyq games are nothing worse than theirs. But yeah, I see your point. Also, Bestyq is really solid in all matchups, while some players you mentioned aren't. Like BratOk losing 2:0 to Nerchio, and Beastyq winning cup finals against Nerchio score 3:2. It's really hard to decide Europe's TOP 5 Terrans, because there are so many of them, and all of them are really good. This is why I said he can be.
People should give props to Drewbie. He accepted to play the challenge. And its not always on EU. He played White-Ra on NA. He played Dimaga on EU cause Dimaga before that day said he had insane lags on NA that day(didn't know why).
And on the matter on the next match. Endrey plans to get some Terran so lets take some quesses (i think Beastyqt dont count cause he already played). I think it could be either Kas, Tlo, Diestar or Happy. Since i think Drewbie would veto the Goody.
Oh. And Catz i would love to see you in similar series. I think you are the most creative Zerg (or crazy) since retail. TLO has that title from beta ;P
Wow I can't believe some people. Drewbie is one of the best Terrans in NA, and by far the most underrated. I'm not judging this on results (even though he does have results). I'm judging this on his play style/mechanics. He's super solid and he doesn't rely on gimmicks. I can't wait till he becomes one of the top terrans, and the results reflect that, then we won't have to deal with all the negative comments.
Nothing bad towards drewbie as i enjoy watching him play but it's kinda funny that he doesn't do to well with this when he's the main attraction of it all .p
How many people would watch Drewbie vs. RandomEUZergFromLadder?
White-Ra and Dimaga were picked likely because they are high-profile players who would attract a lot of spectators, not because they are necessarily the best opponents for Drewbie. Then again, there aren't many people on NA that I would put up against White-Ra and Dimaga, except for the expensive pro-gamers like Idra who generally do not play for anything less than $200.
On May 18 2011 21:25 Cri du Chat wrote: I think that these showmatches are a great idea. It's a bit sad that Drewbie recieves so much negative feedback for this. Yes, he lost all three matches, but that's because he played excellent players. Dimaga and White-Ra certainly belong to the top 5 or even top 3 of their respective races on EU. Maybe not everyone would name Beasty as top 5 terran on EU, but if you look at the sheer number of super strong Terrans on Europe, that is no wonder. He is a very strong player and there is no shame losing to him. I applaud Drewbie that he did not chose some second tier players, just to look good. .
Actually I think that EmpireBeastyq can easily be one of TOP 5 Terran's in EU. He is taking a lot of cups at the moment and his games are solid as hell.
i agree that beastyqt is rly good, but he isnt anywhere near top 5 terran. I wouldnt really put him above Happy, Kas, Thorzain, Bratok, Demuslim, Sjow, Cloud, Strelok.
I agree with you, those guys are the best terrans. People shouldnt bash Drewbie though, any one of those guys mentioned could lose to dimaga and white-ra.
On May 19 2011 01:57 Beef Noodles wrote: Wow I can't believe some people. Drewbie is one of the best Terrans in NA, and by far the most underrated. I'm not judging this on results (even though he does have results). I'm judging this on his play style/mechanics. He's super solid and he doesn't rely on gimmicks. I can't wait till he becomes one of the top terrans, and the results reflect that, then we won't have to deal with all the negative comments.
im afraid the issue here is that the fact that he's one of the best in NA doesnt mean he's close to being one of the best in Eu due to the bigger competitive scene Also i agree that people shouldbt bash him (really good) play and should try to enjoy the showmatches thanking the players offering them but i gotta say that catz's post was pretty bad made, with a lot of wrong points and bad arguments
Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason.
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason.
There was some apparent lag in the first game with his Ghost micro, which is usually really good. However, I think the main reason he lost was because he missed a couple of clear timings that would have won him the first two games, those games were a lot closer than people might think. If Drewbie had attacked in that second game maybe 20 seconds earlier, he would probably have won.
Either way, well played by both sides, I think Drewbie needs to figure out a couple of key timings, he has a very macro game but I'm always left sitting there going, "Just attack, just attack now, oh god just attack" and then he attacks like 30 seconds later and loses the fight where he would have won it if he had moved moments sooner.
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason.
Its Internet people will bash whoever they want, even if they are the best sc2 player in the world. Drewbie is a great player, i said in some previous threads that hes easily top3 terran in NA and of course there is no shame in losing to Whitera or Dimaga or even Beastyqt, and as someone said already, props to Drewbie for choosing the best EU players to play against and not some mid tier players.
What i didnt like however has nothing to do with Drewbie but your first post tbh. U were saying how Drewbie is great player and hes TvZ is awesome because he beat Check and Zenio who played from Korea with far worse lag than u ever experienced in your gaming career at like 4 am in the morning, and after than u said how Drewbie played Dimaga in unfair conditions with lag and unfair timing, which i think is quite ironic to say after u mentioned Check and Zenio.
Anyways GL to Drewbie, hope he does well in the future.
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason.
Its Internet people will bash whoever they want, even if they are the best sc2 player in the world. Drewbie is a great player, i said in some previous threads that hes easily top3 terran in NA and of course there is no shame in losing to Whitera or Dimaga or even Beastyqt, and as someone said already, props to Drewbie for choosing the best EU players to play against and not some mid tier players.
What i didnt like however has nothing to do with Drewbie but your first post tbh. U were saying how Drewbie is great player and hes TvZ is awesome because he beat Check and Zenio who played from Korea with far worse lag than u ever experienced in your gaming career at like 4 am in the morning, and after than u said how Drewbie played Dimaga in unfair conditions with lag and unfair timing, which i think is quite ironic to say after u mentioned Check and Zenio.
Anyways GL to Drewbie, hope he does well in the future.
Ok that's great. But catz was responding to people bashing drewbie. I think Catz anger has nothing to do with which accomplishment was better, or who the better player is. The anger comes from drewbie setting up these awesome showmatches, then people just complain. Everyone please stop complaining and just enjoy stuff. Trust me, its a nice way to go through life.
I'm gunna stop defending catz/drewbie cause they can defend themselves/prolly dont care what people say, but I'd really like TL'ers to be happier and not complain so much >.<
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason.
I think most of the people are bashing the whole NA sc2 pro scene, not directly Drewbie (Even I in slight form :D) . But all in all, we love him ^_^.
On May 19 2011 02:29 CatZ.root wrote: Latency from EU to NA and NA to EU its random, at least for us, sometimes its fine, sometimes its not, don't wanna sound like I was making excuses for drewbie or anything like that, he played against one of the best zergs in the world, and lost 1-3, under bad circumstances for him. But he also consistently proves how good of player he is, I just dont understand all the bashing for no reason.
I think most of the people are bashing the whole NA sc2 pro scene, not directly Drewbie (Even I in slight form :D) . But all in all, we love him ^_^.
Damm dont expose us.... jk.
Btw Drewbie at least has the balls to try and take the EU best. Idra tried 2 tourneys and never again come to EU online event.
Oh and
On May 19 2011 02:02 Azarkon wrote: How many people would watch Drewbie vs. RandomEUZergFromLadder?
White-Ra and Dimaga were picked likely because they are high-profile players who would attract a lot of spectators, not because they are necessarily the best opponents for Drewbie. Then again, there aren't many people on NA that I would put up against White-Ra and Dimaga, except for the expensive pro-gamers like Idra who generally do not play for anything less than $200.
I can assure you that Endrey will always pick a good player to face off versus Drewbie. So i would expect a very nice TvT next even if by some chance the player would be rather unknown to the NA people (remember TSL and people asking who is Kas?).
And i think this series will be good for Drewbie in the long run even if he will lose more matches. He will get more familiar to EU viewers and he will play versus different types of play-styles that would broaden his knowledge about game. Well his and Catz's (the Dimaga weird timings and so on).
I really hope for epic TvT next time (man im repeating myself)
Why are people basing Drewbie so hard? Especially when most of the people that post probably are in masters or lower and will most likely never ever take a game off White-Ra, Dimaga or Drewbie.
I think it's great to see Drewbie battling Europeans, and yes most of the players he's going to face in these showmatches are ''better'', but it's cool to see those showmatches nonetheless ^.^! And I wish him luck in the next matches.
On May 19 2011 02:32 LangJaiQQ wrote: drewbie is pretty bad idn why waste this showmatch. Should've put someone else.
Thank you for your insightful post dood. By the way, I don't Know is not abbreviated to idn...
Hahaha.
Besides, Drewbie isn't so bad that he can't beat Europeans. A lot of the games so far have been good or close, and have just happened to end up in favor of the other player.
The reason we played the 1st series on NA was simply becasue WhiteRa was already on there since he practiced with moonan and others some games because at this time the patch was already out on NA but not on EU. Drewbie thought all matches will be played on NA. I thought all matches will be played on EU (because he is playing european players, so he is basicly on 'enemy territory' hehe). I know the connection between NA <> EU can be but not neccessarily has to be shitty. E.g. my connection to NA is just fine, but I know that beasty (who lives in serbia) has a shitty connection (he even changed his ISP and still got no improvement) to the NA servers. This means it can go the other way around aswell and sometimes it's just luck deciding wether your connection is good or not. Drewbie told me that he only had lags in the 1st game and no other lags in the remaining games. And still after the 1st game with fifty dollars on the line - he said - "ok we can continue to play on EU" very very nice and mannered by him!
The Players:
I do the player selection. It's my choice who he plays against Drew. I am really greatful for WhiteRa and Dimaga to play the games even tho 50$ might not be THAT much compared to what they got offered sometimes by others. I'm not really sure what people who are saying I should select more medicore players 'who drewbie has a chance against', want to see. I mean, I was not too sure about his playstyle since I mostly cast European players/tours. So I informed myself about him (talked to other players, checked TLPD etc.etc.) And judging by his accomplishments recently and in general (win over Zenio, winning Zotac NA, win a TL Open etc.etc.) and the fact the he is living in a teamhouse with catz, tt1, fenix etc. is a good thing aswell regarding a good practice enviroment, so I dont see the point in letting him play against other less good players. Yeah sure, he might be the underdog, but hes still playing on a level where he is able to compete. It's no shame to get beaten by those two guys. I mean in Korea for the WC Ra won vs MC and Dimaga vs Nestea! Does that mean that PoltPrime who won his last 4 games vs oGsMC is the better player? Hell no. I won't deny having 'big names' plays a role as well in the player selection but the main reason is just simple entertainment. The games were entertaining - mission accomplished ! =)
One more thing about Beasty. People consider him not that good in general because he is not a big "name". I would easily put him on Top5 Terran on EU. He is allkilling teams from NA +EU in teammatches. His teammates beeing Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. gives him nothing but the best to practice with and beside from winning tons of the weekly cups here on EU he has proven himself even in my own tournament where he was able to beat WhiteRa in Bo5 3:1 in a pretty convincing fashion. Other than that he was ranked #1 world on the new ladder season at least twice. If he would play nasl - he would destroy.
The Manners:
Another reason for me why I have choosen the players that are playing in this series is simply that those people are nice people. Dimaga still playing even tho he had troubles with his computer (the vehicle of eSports trololol :D ) and saying "ok lets do this" to my suggestion to play on the new GSTL map Bel'Shir Beach even though he never played on this map before.
WhiteRa for still playing this Series even tho NASL said that he had to play a match basicly at the same time (he got told 1 day before the showmatch), so he played 2 matches before the nasl games - played the nasl games - and then still said ok lets play another bo5. and after his victory said "gg, very close game".
Drewbie for his manners regarding the issues he is having on EU sometimes (the internet infrastucture in most parts of the US is just bullcrap - i know people who know people hehe), and still saying "ok lets play here on EU anyway" his decision to accept Bel'Shit Beach as a map, even though he was behind 1:2 and never played a single game on this map.
TL;DR I will continue to go look for strong opponents. The series is bringing some good entertainment to the audience. Drewbie is a good player who is able to compete.
GL HF to us all
p.s. as soon as i have a new opponent ill let you all know.
On May 19 2011 04:29 Special Endrey wrote: ok people just to clarify some things:
The Server:
The reason we played the 1st series on NA was simply becasue WhiteRa was already on there since he practiced with moonan and others some games because at this time the patch was already out on NA but not on EU. Drewbie thought all matches will be played on NA. I thought all matches will be played on EU (because he is playing european players, so he is basicly on 'enemy territory' hehe). I know the connection between NA <> EU can be but not neccessarily has to be shitty. E.g. my connection to NA is just fine, but I know that beasty (who lives in serbia) has a shitty connection (he even changed his ISP and still got no improvement) to the NA servers. This means it can go the other way around aswell and sometimes it's just luck deciding wether your connection is good or not. Drewbie told me that he only had lags in the 1st game and no other lags in the remaining games. And still after the 1st game with fifty dollars on the line - he said - "ok we can continue to play on EU" very very nice and mannered by him!
The Players: I do the player selection. It's my choice who he plays against Drew. I am really greatful for WhiteRa and Dimaga to play the games even tho 50$ might not be THAT much compared to what they got offered sometimes by others. I'm not really sure what people who are saying I should select more medicore players 'who drewbie has a chance against', want to see. I mean, I was not too sure about his playstyle since I mostly cast European players/tours. So I informed myself about him (talked to other players, checked TLPD etc.etc.) And judging by his accomplishments recently and in general (win over Zenio, winning Zotac NA, win a TL Open etc.etc.) and the fact the he is living in a teamhouse with catz, tt1, fenix etc. is a good thing aswell regarding a good practice enviroment, so I dont see the point in letting him play against other less good players. Yeah sure, he might be the underdog, but hes still playing on a level where he is able to compete. It's no shame to get beaten by those two guys. I mean in Korea for the WC Ra won vs MC and Dimaga vs Nestea! Does that mean that PoltPrime who won his last 4 games vs oGsMC is the better player? Hell no. I won't deny having 'big names' plays a role as well in the player selection but the main reason is just simple entertainment. The games were entertaining - mission accomplished ! =)
One more thing about Beasty. People consider him not that good in general because he is not a big "name". I would easily put him on Top5 Terran on EU. He is allkilling teams from NA +EU in teammatches. His teammates beeing Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. gives him nothing but the best to practice with and beside from winning tons of the weekly cups here on EU he has proven himself even in my own tournament where he was able to beat WhiteRa in Bo5 3:1 in a pretty convincing fashion. Other than that he was ranked #1 world on the new ladder season at least twice. If he would play nasl - he would destroy.
The Manners:
Another reason for me why I have choosen the players that are playing in this series is simply that those people are nice people. Dimaga still playing even tho he had troubles with his computer (the vehicle of eSports trololol :D ) and saying "ok lets do this" to my suggestion to play on the new GSTL map Bel'Shir Beach even though he never played on this map before.
WhiteRa for still playing this Series even tho NASL said that he had to play a match basicly at the same time (he got told 1 day before the showmatch), so he played 2 matches before the nasl games - played the nasl games - and then still said ok lets play another bo5. and after his victory said "gg, very close game".
Drewbie for his manners regarding the issues he is having on EU sometimes (the internet infrastucture in most parts of the US is just bullcrap - i know people who know people hehe), and still saying "ok lets play here on EU anyway" his decision to accept Bel'Shit Beach as a map, even though he was behind 1:2 and never played a single game on this map.
TL;DR I will continue to go look for strong opponents. The series is bringing some good entertainment to the audience. Drewbie is a good player who is able to compete.
GL HF to us all
p.s. as soon as i have a new opponent ill let you all know.
Maybe Kas ? ^^ He is very mannered and one of Europe's TOP players
EDIT: I share the same opinion as you about Beastyq.
On May 19 2011 04:29 Special Endrey wrote: ok people just to clarify some things:
The Server:
The reason we played the 1st series on NA was simply becasue WhiteRa was already on there since he practiced with moonan and others some games because at this time the patch was already out on NA but not on EU. Drewbie thought all matches will be played on NA. I thought all matches will be played on EU (because he is playing european players, so he is basicly on 'enemy territory' hehe). I know the connection between NA <> EU can be but not neccessarily has to be shitty. E.g. my connection to NA is just fine, but I know that beasty (who lives in serbia) has a shitty connection (he even changed his ISP and still got no improvement) to the NA servers. This means it can go the other way around aswell and sometimes it's just luck deciding wether your connection is good or not. Drewbie told me that he only had lags in the 1st game and no other lags in the remaining games. And still after the 1st game with fifty dollars on the line - he said - "ok we can continue to play on EU" very very nice and mannered by him!
The Players: I do the player selection. It's my choice who he plays against Drew. I am really greatful for WhiteRa and Dimaga to play the games even tho 50$ might not be THAT much compared to what they got offered sometimes by others. I'm not really sure what people who are saying I should select more medicore players 'who drewbie has a chance against', want to see. I mean, I was not too sure about his playstyle since I mostly cast European players/tours. So I informed myself about him (talked to other players, checked TLPD etc.etc.) And judging by his accomplishments recently and in general (win over Zenio, winning Zotac NA, win a TL Open etc.etc.) and the fact the he is living in a teamhouse with catz, tt1, fenix etc. is a good thing aswell regarding a good practice enviroment, so I dont see the point in letting him play against other less good players. Yeah sure, he might be the underdog, but hes still playing on a level where he is able to compete. It's no shame to get beaten by those two guys. I mean in Korea for the WC Ra won vs MC and Dimaga vs Nestea! Does that mean that PoltPrime who won his last 4 games vs oGsMC is the better player? Hell no. I won't deny having 'big names' plays a role as well in the player selection but the main reason is just simple entertainment. The games were entertaining - mission accomplished ! =)
One more thing about Beasty. People consider him not that good in general because he is not a big "name". I would easily put him on Top5 Terran on EU. He is allkilling teams from NA +EU in teammatches. His teammates beeing Kas, Nerchio, Happy etc. gives him nothing but the best to practice with and beside from winning tons of the weekly cups here on EU he has proven himself even in my own tournament where he was able to beat WhiteRa in Bo5 3:1 in a pretty convincing fashion. Other than that he was ranked #1 world on the new ladder season at least twice. If he would play nasl - he would destroy.
The Manners:
Another reason for me why I have choosen the players that are playing in this series is simply that those people are nice people. Dimaga still playing even tho he had troubles with his computer (the vehicle of eSports trololol :D ) and saying "ok lets do this" to my suggestion to play on the new GSTL map Bel'Shir Beach even though he never played on this map before.
WhiteRa for still playing this Series even tho NASL said that he had to play a match basicly at the same time (he got told 1 day before the showmatch), so he played 2 matches before the nasl games - played the nasl games - and then still said ok lets play another bo5. and after his victory said "gg, very close game".
Drewbie for his manners regarding the issues he is having on EU sometimes (the internet infrastucture in most parts of the US is just bullcrap - i know people who know people hehe), and still saying "ok lets play here on EU anyway" his decision to accept Bel'Shit Beach as a map, even though he was behind 1:2 and never played a single game on this map.
TL;DR I will continue to go look for strong opponents. The series is bringing some good entertainment to the audience. Drewbie is a good player who is able to compete.
GL HF to us all
p.s. as soon as i have a new opponent ill let you all know.
Well said Endrey, couldnt agree more, specially about Beastyqt. Good luck with this and other stuff u plan for us in the future. Id like to see Happy to be honest, hes probably the most beastly terran outside of Korea atm(yes people i said Happy not Thorzain) and i would love to see him play because it hard to catch him in these weekly tournaments.
On May 19 2011 01:57 Beef Noodles wrote: Wow I can't believe some people. Drewbie is one of the best Terrans in NA, and by far the most underrated. I'm not judging this on results (even though he does have results). I'm judging this on his play style/mechanics. He's super solid and he doesn't rely on gimmicks. I can't wait till he becomes one of the top terrans, and the results reflect that, then we won't have to deal with all the negative comments.
I guess a lot of the negative comments is because a lot of people, like you, say he's one of the most underrated players, when his results in MLG lately and NASL haven't been that impressive. Sure he won ZOTAC, but it's not even that important of a tourney. I think that's where a lot of people's comments are coming from.
On May 19 2011 04:11 nYaLa wrote: Why are people basing Drewbie so hard? Especially when most of the people that post probably are in masters or lower and will most likely never ever take a game off White-Ra, Dimaga or Drewbie.
I think it's great to see Drewbie battling Europeans, and yes most of the players he's going to face in these showmatches are ''better'', but it's cool to see those showmatches nonetheless ^.^! And I wish him luck in the next matches.
I'll never understand the logic behind these arguments. Most of us "in masters or lower" aren't playing this game for a living. When comparing players who are professional, you compare them to other professional players. It's like how we don't compare NFL or NBA players to high school students. Totally different level. Or we don't compare professional football players such as Rooney to average Joe who plays football for fun.
Us comparing Drewbie or whatever professional player, to any other player professional player has nothing to do without own personal play. It's easy to tell sometime when there is a skill gap between players, I don't think we have to be Grandmaster to be able to tell that, similar to how we can tell there is a difference between Kobe Bryant/Michael Jordan to a bench player on any NBA team, even if I'm horrible at basketball.
On May 19 2011 01:57 Beef Noodles wrote: Wow I can't believe some people. Drewbie is one of the best Terrans in NA, and by far the most underrated. I'm not judging this on results (even though he does have results). I'm judging this on his play style/mechanics. He's super solid and he doesn't rely on gimmicks. I can't wait till he becomes one of the top terrans, and the results reflect that, then we won't have to deal with all the negative comments.
I guess a lot of the negative comments is because a lot of people, like you, say he's one of the most underrated players, when his results in MLG lately and NASL haven't been that impressive. Sure he won ZOTAC, but it's not even that important of a tourney. I think that's where a lot of people's comments are coming from.
Just curious, how does his results in MLG Dallas qualify to use of the term 'not that impressive'?
- Went undefeated in the seeded groupplay against Tyler, Machine and AGH. - Lost to Naniwa who didnt drop a single BOx in a month or so around MLG. - Lost to TLO who finished 5th.
I think this is exactly why we feel drewbie is among the most underrated players. No, he hasn't won a MLG yet, but in all 4 he has placed really well(5th, 12th, 11th, 8th), but most people seem to consider it 'not that impressive'.
People are looking to much at results and accomplishments of both players and comparing them like that which ofcourse does not mean their skill level. People fan favor Dimaga and thats not strange because he is a monster same for white ra the in first showmatch.
Oke now the games.
Its very simple Drewbie lost because he was to passive which is the last thing you need to do against Dimaga. Dimaga took risks to tech fast and drewbie stayed in base....Dimaga was very vulnerable to drop play since he didnt go muta and that was the only way to win the games and not going for a straight fight after turtleling 15 minutes against a known Macro zerg.
I've always wondered why Drewbie gets so much hate. It is probably because IdrA said he was a scrub terran (don't remember his exact words) and was only good because of race imbalance.
But no one can cry race imbalance anymore and drewbie is still a solid player. I loved the drewbie/dimaga games and I can't wait to watch some more. Keep up the good work Endrey and Drewbie.
Also, Catz, rofl. You and I both know there are haters hating against every player. Drewbie seems to have more than others sure. But you can't take it seriously. You gotta ignore the haters. If you sit here reading/commenting you're going to waste your life responding to trolls on the internet. Drewbies a solid player. Any idiot that watches him knows that. No need to waste your time defending him.
EDIT: Also, awesome choice with Bel'shir beach. Loved watching the players interpretation of how to play it. Dimaga's hyperaggressive style is difficult to handle on that map. Keep up the awesome map choices.
bad news is - sjow vs drewbie will not be played today :& due to some last minute sheduling changes we were not able to go with it and it will be postponed
good news is that as a 'replacement' terran i got none other than TSL 3rd place player Kas to play vs drewbie
now i need to find a tl admin to changle the calendar. the gsl raffel is still up btw!
lol, I really appreciate that you give us the best of the best from Europe but is there a possibility that you don't always chose players who will totally rape drewbie in the future?^^
I mean you could say even Beastyqt won 3:0 but maybe try with some other players like Grubby, Lowely,, Xlord, Naama or Nightend before you send in more players like Kas who will win a bo5 for sure?
Or how about this, from another thread:
On May 22 2011 06:19 drewbie.root wrote: haha desrow just ignore darkforce i'm like 20-0 agaisnt him but i'm just a noob american to him
Darkforce has a really good ZvT, kinda doubt drewbie could beat him in a bo5. So I would be really interested in Darkforce vs drewbie!
hey, i was thinking about that too but darkforce has to play his nasl games today so he wont be available and i wanted a terran player so drewbie wont be too confused about it
On May 25 2011 02:08 Ragoo wrote: lol, I really appreciate that you give us the best of the best from Europe but is there a possibility that you don't always chose players who will totally rape drewbie in the future?^^
I mean you could say even Beastyqt won 3:0 but maybe try with some other players like Grubby, Lowely,, Xlord, Naama or Nightend before you send in more players like Kas who will win a bo5 for sure?
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
Top 3 Terran on NA though, I don't even known any top tier Terrans players from NA apart from Select.
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
Top 3 Terran on NA though, I don't even known any top tier Terrans players from NA apart from Select.
poor drewbie, perfect gg timing to be honest, everything he did was countered in advance of him even doing it, no reason to waste everyone's time to the inevitable conclusion
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
Top 3 Terran on NA though, I don't even known any top tier Terrans players from NA apart from Select.
Would qxc count as top tier?
Not anymore, I don't think... unfortunately he's fallen off quite a bit. He's probably still like in the higher echelon, but not at the absolute top, I don't think.
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
Top 3 Terran on NA though, I don't even known any top tier Terrans players from NA apart from Select.
Would qxc count as top tier?
I wouldn't consider him on the level of Select who imo is the only top tier Terran from the NA server, aka someone who can hold there own against Europeans, Koreans whatever it may be. 0 6 in NASL also.
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
Top 3 Terran on NA though, I don't even known any top tier Terrans players from NA apart from Select.
Would qxc count as top tier?
I wouldn't consider him on the level of Select who imo is the only top tier Terran from the NA server, aka someone who can hold there own against Europeans, Koreans whatever it may be. 0 6 in NASL also.
As far as I know QXC's living in Spain and attending classes, so I doubt he has as much time to put into the game, which would explain his preformance dropping so sharply.
this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
On May 25 2011 02:18 vdale wrote: I feel bad for drewbie. First White-ra, then Dimaga and now Kas. There aren't many players who would even win one series.
Yeah... He's gone up against the absolute best of the best from Europe so far, no one can argue that.
He' also put on some great showing, those games against Dimaga... I was actually yelling at my screen for a second for him to just attack, he missed such a key timing, made me sad.
Hopefully we see some good games, Kas is probably a top 2-3 Terran in Europe, but I'd consider Drewbie a top 3 for NA so...
Top 3 Terran on NA though, I don't even known any top tier Terrans players from NA apart from Select.
Would qxc count as top tier?
I wouldn't consider him on the level of Select who imo is the only top tier Terran from the NA server, aka someone who can hold there own against Europeans, Koreans whatever it may be. 0 6 in NASL also.
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
Missed this last night as I was watching imba.tv, sounds as though I didn't miss much though. Maybe next time it would be better to have different Euro's vs different NA players next time. Europe vs Backstreet Boys so to speak.
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
i dont uderstand one thing if EU > US why dont US play more on EU or KR or just participant in some go4sc2 or somthing it starts like 8am US so its not imoposible to play it those cups and you can improve so much : / or just ladder on KR . NA have many good players or promising players ... LZ is playing EU ladder and i hope he will kick some ass on MLG
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
That's the spirit! It doesn't matter if you lose. You are awesome anyways ^^ Besides, you have been playing against some of EU's finest.
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
i dont uderstand one thing if EU > US why dont US play more on EU or KR or just participant in some go4sc2 or somthing it starts like 8am US so its not imoposible to play it those cups and you can improve so much : / or just ladder on KR . NA have many good players or promising players ... LZ is playing EU ladder and i hope he will kick some ass on MLG
A lot of the NA players are actually playing on the EU server.
Kiwikaki, Select, Drewbie, Sheth etc. they are all laddering there for practice.
Ladder on KR is not worth it for NA or EU I think. The delay is too much of a factor there, while the delay NA -> EU or EU -> NA is quite manageable.
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
i dont uderstand one thing if EU > US why dont US play more on EU or KR or just participant in some go4sc2 or somthing it starts like 8am US so its not imoposible to play it those cups and you can improve so much : / or just ladder on KR . NA have many good players or promising players ... LZ is playing EU ladder and i hope he will kick some ass on MLG
Many NA players ladder on EU, Drewbie does of course too. Cups are in general worse practice than ladder.
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
For me it's more that we as spectators want to see even matches and not 3:0. Thus Darkforce or other players I mentioned -could- be more interesting
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
i dont uderstand one thing if EU > US why dont US play more on EU or KR or just participant in some go4sc2 or somthing it starts like 8am US so its not imoposible to play it those cups and you can improve so much : / or just ladder on KR . NA have many good players or promising players ... LZ is playing EU ladder and i hope he will kick some ass on MLG
Many NA players ladder on EU, Drewbie does of course too. Cups are in general worse practice than ladder.
But you have a chance at winning a prize money! If more skilled players play from NA, then more people would watch those cups. If more audience, then more interest from sponsors. More sponsors equals more prize money equals more good players equals??? PROFIT!
On May 25 2011 14:09 drewbie.root wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
E-sports has always been more popular in Europe than it is in NA, not sure if that will ever change. It's more of a reality to become a pro-gamer in Europe than NA, so naturally the European players will practice more. Especially in somewhere like Sweden where E-sports is just so much more popular than anywhere in NA. I feel like Sc2 is getting pretty big in NA though, bigger than any PC e-sports game has been in NA..so we could see more people trying to become pro.
ill try to make something happen - cant guarentee it yet coz of a lot of people traveling to MLG from europe who were on my mind - as soon as i know more ill let you know
On May 31 2011 00:42 Special Endrey wrote: ill try to make something happen - cant guarentee it yet coz of a lot of people traveling to MLG from europe who were on my mind - as soon as i know more ill let you know
I really think that the opponents so far (apart from beastyqt imo) were a little too much for drewbie. I agree that DarkForce would be great. I can also see a series with Bischu, Sarens, Stephano (actually all of M should be good) to be entertaining and close.
gl drewbie, I've been enjoying these showmatches nevertheless
On June 01 2011 18:53 Mandalor wrote: I really think that the opponents so far (apart from beastyqt imo) were a little too much for drewbie. I agree that DarkForce would be great. I can also see a series with Bischu, Sarens, Stephano (actually all of M should be good) to be entertaining and close.
gl drewbie, I've been enjoying these showmatches nevertheless
Wow, I thought nobody wanted to play TvT with Goody
Joking aside,this will be extremely interesting,I like how drewbie always selects good opponents even though he's been losing pretty hard. I will definately check this out at some point,this Bo5 could be going on for hours
On June 15 2011 06:17 DailYLeet wrote: hm EU just got the better players then NA in the moment.
I don't contest that, but Drewbie isn't exactly the best NA player (I know that GoOdy isn't among the best EU players either, but the other three are all up there). I'd love to see one of these showmatch series featuring someone like IdrA, KiWiKaKi, Naniwa, or Dimaga, but these players are obviously hard to get a hold of for several weeks in a row. You'd need to have pretty good prizes for the winners.
This doesn't help my impression of drewbie in any way, some serious attitude problems going on there (and it's been that way forever). In any case, the games he decided to play were decent and very enjoyable. Good cast too!
Great sportsmanship here... really. Destroying his own CC just because so called "pros" are not able to win a game against Goody even IF they know how he plays basicly every (fucking) game especially in TvT. Gj there, white dood.
On May 25 2011 14:09 coL.drewbie wrote: this thread is funny. IMO EU is definitely > NA and that is just a fact, the europeans just work harder than us in NA, and I will try to step it up to keep pace with them These showmatches are just for fun though, I don't mind losing at all, it is a good way to motivate me to improve and get some practice vs top european players :D
i think Drewbie was just so irritated with the issue or Root merge with Complexity and all the bad reactions by people in that thread. I think his poor showing vs Goody was enough for him to get seriously pissed. But than again... Thats not what a progamer should do (only reserved for Idra)...
Just wanted to say that you're a hero for doing all these nice showmatches Endrey, and drewbie is just a dick for doing this...
I mean yeah, we all know tvt against Goody is pretty awful, nobody wants to do it and we already have seen a player like Sjow forfeit a bo3 in a tournament after the first game but... this is a SHOWmatch ffs.
goody vs kas is very nice and classic matchup. still remember the day's when goody had the best tvt in europe and kas and goody had those epic bo5's
edit: if you have another NA player please pick a decent one like Sheth...
Drewbie just dropping out of his own showmatch series. I think he doesn't deserve to come back again. Get another NA player who cares (and most likely plays better).
Awesome job by Goody playing the third match against another player. And awesome job by Endrey getting motherfucking Kas to play.
Kas proxy starport w/ banshee completely catches goody off guard and gets like 8 scvs right off the bat. Stealth up now and 2 banshees are doing major dmg in goodys main.
On June 15 2011 06:29 Nerdslayer wrote: I wanna see Nerchio vs NA Endrey
Hm, There are only a few NA players that could handle Nerchio... and out of those few there are quite some ZvZ's (Idra, Sheth, Slush,..) and who would set up a ZvZ showmatch
I was going to say Sheth vs EU (since Endrey is an EU caster so networking to find multiple EU opponents might be easier than NA) but then I remembered he's off to Korea soon
Poor Goody not scouting proxy banshees while doing a build that cuts a lot of marines xD
On June 15 2011 06:45 norlock wrote: Yes we are getting more and more top zergs in europe. Dimaga, morrow, nerchio, darkforce and now tefel, lalush and stephano as well.
biGs won a number of smaller cups too, though he's gone a bit quiet lately (or maybe I've just had less time to follow)
Tefel is very solid though, it's fun times with racial variety in EU lately.
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Oh god those blueflame hellions just destroyed sooo many drones.
Drewbie ... really ? are you a pro gamer ? you wanted showmatches against the top of europe, special Endrey apply's and gives you a great opertunity for some awsome showmatches ... and you ragequit. Oh well Kas owning it up :D /love to Goody aswell, man europe sure is kick ass
On June 15 2011 06:52 Ocedic wrote: So basically Drewbie has lost every series in this and they weren't even close. Sounds about right, that's the North American scene for ya.
Maybe he was hoping that if he destroyed his own CC his opponent would GG! It worked for MMA yo....
Kuba showing us the worst possible spire position vs Goody (who never drops in the back to kill tech buildings but always sieges in front of the nat) lol
edit: And I'm definitely not gonna copy that Goody build. How random was that :D
On June 15 2011 06:52 Ocedic wrote: So basically Drewbie has lost every series in this and they weren't even close. Sounds about right, that's the North American scene for ya.
NA got alot of great players like Sheth,Idra, kiwi and some nice upcomming talants like Spanishwa problem with the NA scene atm is its not very competive.
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
well, cant say i expected anyting else from drewbie, in all fairness, be doesnt come close to the likes of dimaga or whitera, im surprised they even agreed to play him, the best in eu vs some comparatively mediocre na player. Drewbie should have been happy to play such better players, the disrepect he showed in game 3 v goody was horrendous, and he should be ashamed of himself.
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
There is huge difference between ladder and tourney you cant even compare it
On June 15 2011 06:52 Ocedic wrote: So basically Drewbie has lost every series in this and they weren't even close. Sounds about right, that's the North American scene for ya.
Well,Drewbie is just a player who works hard and devotes a lot of time into Starcraft 2,but he's not really talented,so I can see why he's getting destroyed by the top EU players. That being said,he should be thankful that he gets a chance to test his skill against them. Instead,he rages without good reason and disrepspects both Goody and Special Endrey,that's just sad. And all this after just getting into a new team
On June 15 2011 07:28 Bear4188 wrote: Well that's a good way to embarrass your new team I guess.
For people thinking Drewbie represents the top of the NA scene, lol.
Who is the top then beside Idra, Sheth, kiwi, Select, Drewbies achievement speaks for himself If I recall right MLG dallas he got like top 5 or 6?
Yeah, Incontrol also managed to get 4th, so don't let those results fool you. Also, you just named a bunch of top NA players who are probably better than a lot of Europeans. Drewbie is nothing special, and saying he's representative of NA is laughable.
On June 15 2011 07:28 Bear4188 wrote: Well that's a good way to embarrass your new team I guess.
For people thinking Drewbie represents the top of the NA scene, lol.
Who is the top then beside Idra, Sheth, kiwi, Select, Drewbies achievement speaks for himself If I recall right MLG dallas he got like top 5 or 6?
Yeah, Incontrol also managed to get 4th, so don't let those results fool you. Also, you just named a bunch of top NA players who are probably better than a lot of Europeans. Drewbie is nothing special, and saying he's representative of NA is laughable.
Really so you dont think Drewbie belongs in the top 25 in the NA name me 20 better then Drewbie in the NA scene beside Incontrol,Idra Sheth,Kiwi,Select
PS. Endrey plz keep doing these showmatch get Kiwi, select, Idra next time
Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
I am fairly sure most of sixjax plays on NA server if not all and they have all been showing impressive finishes. Drewbie isn't the best player on his own team so yah....
On June 15 2011 07:41 coL.drewbie wrote: Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
You couldn't play out Game 3 graciously with a bit of dignity on your shoulders? I mean one more game, that's not much at all is it, when people put a lot of effort in to arrange these show-matches it's just quite disrespectful. You apologised though so at least there's something.
On June 15 2011 07:41 coL.drewbie wrote: Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
Next time, just cheese until you lose like everyone else.
On June 15 2011 07:41 coL.drewbie wrote: Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
There is huge difference between ladder and tourney you cant even compare it
I disagree, I'm not saying there isn't one, I just don't htink it's that different.
so many more ways he could have gone about this, its a show match, people would LOVE to see someone rush battlecruisers or some other funky stuff that he could have done to lose in a fun way, rather then kill his own CC.
On June 15 2011 07:41 coL.drewbie wrote: Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
It's always good to appologize. One can make mistakes, next time u know better
Drewbie: you should be ashamed of yourself. What could have been an excellent opportunity to silence the "haters" since ROOT's move to compLexity.....ended up becoming one of the most embarrassing moments I have witnessed in the history of SC2. I was once a fan...but this childish display has turned me against you.
On June 15 2011 08:22 arpeggi wrote: Drewbie: you should be ashamed of yourself. What could have been an excellent opportunity to silence the "haters" since ROOT's move to compLexity.....ended up becoming one of the most embarrassing moments I have witnessed in the history of SC2. I was once a fan...but this childish display has turned me against you.
wtf give Drewbie a break. He just sayd he was frustated and tired what more do you want him todo. I cant belive im defending Drewbie more then his own countrymen
Im sure everyone in there life has done something stupide no need to hang the man for it
I like how everyone gets pissed off at Drewbie when he acts like an asshole, then he gives a meek excuse for being an asshole, then everyone's all over him. Pretty big flip.
On June 15 2011 08:22 arpeggi wrote: Drewbie: you should be ashamed of yourself. What could have been an excellent opportunity to silence the "haters" since ROOT's move to compLexity.....ended up becoming one of the most embarrassing moments I have witnessed in the history of SC2. I was once a fan...but this childish display has turned me against you.
I don't think anyone needs a fan as overdramatic and judgemental as you lol
I like how everyone gets pissed off at Drewbie when he ragequits a game and even the fact that he publicly apologizes doesn't extinct their eagerness for public lynching. While I'm sure very few people here actually know him personnally.
On June 15 2011 08:22 arpeggi wrote: Drewbie: you should be ashamed of yourself. What could have been an excellent opportunity to silence the "haters" since ROOT's move to compLexity.....ended up becoming one of the most embarrassing moments I have witnessed in the history of SC2. I was once a fan...but this childish display has turned me against you.
I read this in the iNcontroL dramatic voice.
and lol@post above. Are you kidding me dude, god forbid anyone BMs... jesus christ, this community is so soft sometimes.
On June 15 2011 07:41 coL.drewbie wrote: Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
There's no need for these sensationalist hangings every so often.
Many of the people who are attacking Drewbie (I'm guessing, you can disprove me if you'd like) aren't progamers and have no idea what it's like. I imagine it's quite easy to get stressed out. When you add a losing streak, just getting home from weeks of travel, no practice, not to mention the flak Drewbie and Catz have been getting over their merge, I think it's perfectly normal for a slip to happen.
lol there's your answer hahahaha. Also, hate to break it to you, but being "top on NA" clearly means nothing. It's how you benchmark against foreign terrans in general that matters. And if you include European terrans as well, hate to break it to you but Drewbie is pretty average.
On June 15 2011 09:21 Homosax wrote: There's no need for these sensationalist hangings every so often.
Many of the people who are attacking Drewbie (I'm guessing, you can disprove me if you'd like) aren't progamers and have no idea what it's like. I imagine it's quite easy to get stressed out. When you add a losing streak, just getting home from weeks of travel, no practice, not to mention the flak Drewbie and Catz have been getting over their merge, I think it's perfectly normal for a slip to happen.
He apologized, put the goddamn pitchforks away.
I think regardless of the public lynching and accusations of BM, one thing is shown here at least; Drewbie is not competitive enough to take on Europe's best. And simply that means that he should be practicing practicing practicing instead of participating in showmatches where he will get crushed and humiliated, then rage quit out of, regardless of the reason for it. Hopefully his move to complexity will allow him to improve, because at the moment he is falling further and further from the title of "top NA terran".
On June 15 2011 07:41 coL.drewbie wrote: Sorry about game 3 guys, I had agreed to play vs whoever Endrey got to play vs me, and I just got home yesterday from 2-3 weeks of travelling and almost 0 practice. I really did not want to play vs GoOdY but I said that I would and Endrey did a really awesome job with these showmatches, but I was very very very frustrated after the first 2 games and did not want to play anymore. Sorry about that Endrey, I shouldn't have done that
I wonder how complexity management feels about this? I know if I just hired a new guy to work for me, I would expect him to not be a complete prick while on the job, especially during the first week of work.
People are looking at this from the completely wrong angle. Drewbie wasn't killing his own command center because he was mad, he was imitating the MMA build, and when he saw that Goody didn't gg he just left.
On June 15 2011 07:29 Bagi wrote: What better terran players does the NA server have? I can only think of Select and Major.
Its not like Drewbie is some low-tier player there.
For what it's worth here's the numbers from TLPD:
TLPD? You're kidding, right? How many of those guys would do better against EU's best?
Although I'll admit that Fenix is probably up there as well, if we count him despite being originally from the LA scene. Possibly QXC and DDE.
So that would make Drewbie roughly a top5 terran in the NA scene. I don't think thats too generous?
I think you guys are trying too hard. Being top 5 in NA is basically meaningless, let alone top 5 NA Terran. Idra and Huk are basically the only rays of light in an otherwise awful region. The worst part is that the top players in our region are also the most arrogant, self-entitled and vocal, despite not having the results to back it up.
I tried to open up something from this thread, and it sent me to a page warning me about editing others posts. It even said my IP has been sent to the admins!
"So it's time for our last opponent for Drewbie - this time he is not from the Ukraine but from Germany. NOW ITS GOODY TIME + Show Spoiler +"
The spoiler'd item is what I tried to open. Did I unknowingly do something wrong here? I'm sorry
On June 15 2011 07:29 Bagi wrote: What better terran players does the NA server have? I can only think of Select and Major.
Its not like Drewbie is some low-tier player there.
For what it's worth here's the numbers from TLPD:
TLPD? You're kidding, right? How many of those guys would do better against EU's best?
Although I'll admit that Fenix is probably up there as well, if we count him despite being originally from the LA scene. Possibly QXC and DDE.
So that would make Drewbie roughly a top5 terran in the NA scene. I don't think thats too generous?
I think you guys are trying too hard. Being top 5 in NA is basically meaningless, let alone top 5 NA Terran. Idra and Huk are basically the only rays of light in an otherwise awful region. The worst part is that the top players in our region are also the most arrogant, self-entitled and vocal, despite not having the results to back it up.
Indeed. Europeans are also a lot scarier than US players in general anyway, and drewbie was just kinda outclassed here anyway
Being a professional gamer is a legitimate job, which comes with all the good and bad things any regular job comes. It's not all candy and rainbows as many imagine. When you have a job you have to do your best at all times to deliver results. "Not feeling like it" is never an option.
On that basis, Drewbie did not deliver. It's understandable he was upset, everyone has those moments. We are all human and make stupid mistakes. I feel that Drewbie's apology was needed and he delivered it to us, his fans. Thank you Drewbie, I accept it. It may not mean much in this avalanche of posts, but I want to let you know it was the right thing and it was well received by me.
On June 15 2011 08:22 arpeggi wrote: Drewbie: you should be ashamed of yourself. What could have been an excellent opportunity to silence the "haters" since ROOT's move to compLexity.....ended up becoming one of the most embarrassing moments I have witnessed in the history of SC2. I was once a fan...but this childish display has turned me against you.
I read this in the iNcontroL dramatic voice.
Ding ding ding. But seriously....in a televised match? At least TRY to show a little class in honor of your new organization.
tilt modes happen, especially in tvts. Just copy that one terran from bw, who switched from terran to zerg if his opponents were terran. I wish though that more terrans would play tvt like goody ^.^ i just love watching mech.
On June 15 2011 09:47 ct2299 wrote: Lol. Watching people's blind defense of certain players is truly an interesting thing to watch.
Just trying to offset the blind hate.
Except there is nothing blind about the hate. Endrey put on this show match to get viewers and Drewbie leaves in a way that makes you wonder if he is a professional gamer.
The fact Endrey had to go search out and find Kas and tefel to fill the time says something. Thankfully he took it in stride.
I don't think Drewbie should be crucified. He simply acted like a child and showed something about his character as a progamer. This doesn't mean you should hate him or not watch him play etc.
Have to say. The part I enjoy most is that he pulled this stunt right after joining Complexity as well. Way to make a team that is already fighting to improve their rep in the Starcraft 2 community look even worse. They must be thrilled with their recent acquisitions: CatZ, Drewbie, no KiwiKaki or Slush, and now the guy they acquired goes and pulls an unprofessional stunt like this with his new coL tag. lol.
Well, usually people include SelecT as being an American Terran now right? At least you guys sure use him as an "American" when it suits the whole foreigner vs Korean argument. So therefore, I would think SelecT stands a way better chance against the Europeans than Drewbie does.
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
There is huge difference between ladder and tourney you cant even compare it
Yeah huge difference and Drewbie is raping shit left and right in every tournament. Good joke!
To kill his own CC and no gg in his own showmatch. Yeah that's professional.. It's hard to make it as a professional gamer, and this doesn't improve his chances to become good. I mean, 4 wins and 11 losses since april is impressive.
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
There is huge difference between ladder and tourney you cant even compare it
Yeah huge difference and Drewbie is raping shit left and right in every tournament. Good joke!
That's sarcasm right? Did you see his MLG performance? lol Zotac cup means nothing.
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
There is huge difference between ladder and tourney you cant even compare it
Yeah huge difference and Drewbie is raping shit left and right in every tournament. Good joke!
That's sarcasm right? Did you see his MLG performance? lol Zotac cup means nothing.
And what did he achieve at MLG? Zotac what? Your actually trying to convince me that he is good and successful?
Look, please don't BM people in their own fanclub. Fanclubs are where people go to have fun and relax and post about their favourite player and players go to tank delicious fanergy. Even if they suck sometimes, they could still show a good performance so don't be so "fair-weather".
On June 15 2011 21:33 Jinsho wrote: Look, please don't BM people in their own fanclub. Fanclubs are where people go to have fun and relax and post about their favourite player and players go to tank delicious fanergy. Even if they suck sometimes, they could still show a good performance so don't be so "fair-weather".
On June 15 2011 07:15 FabledIntegral wrote: Personally I don't think Drewbie is that good, I went 2-0 vs him on ladder pretty handedly the only two times I've been matched up vs him.
With all respect Sir... that was LADDER...
And? It's not as if he wasn't trying, in fact, on his stream (as I opened it after the second game was over), he was raging hardcore (ie. "FUCK can't believe I just lost this") so he seemed quite into it.
There shouldn't be a massive difference between ladder and tourney, to be honest.
There is huge difference between ladder and tourney you cant even compare it
Yeah huge difference and Drewbie is raping shit left and right in every tournament. Good joke!
That's sarcasm right? Did you see his MLG performance? lol Zotac cup means nothing.
And what did he achieve at MLG? Zotac what? Your actually trying to convince me that he is good and successful?
Nevermind rofl, I thought you were being serious. And no, I would never for the life of me try to convince you that Drewbie is good and successful haha.
On June 15 2011 21:33 Jinsho wrote: Look, please don't BM people in their own fanclub. Fanclubs are where people go to have fun and relax and post about their favourite player and players go to tank delicious fanergy. Even if they suck sometimes, they could still show a good performance so don't be so "fair-weather".
Such a terrible behaviour of someone who claims to take the game as business.. really unprofessional and I hope things rings a bell at compLexity gaming.
So much hate this thread--it's just silly. Anonymity really does turn people into jerkwads.
Drewbie tapped out in what was a friendly showmatch. This was not a tourney, nothing depended on it, there were no sponsors. There's nothing weird or unsportsmanlike about that.
On June 16 2011 00:38 dizzy101 wrote: So much hate this thread--it's just silly. Anonymity really does turn people into jerkwads.
Drewbie tapped out in what was a friendly showmatch. This was not a tourney, nothing depended on it, there were no sponsors. There's nothing weird or unsportsmanlike about that.
Get a life already people.
There were sponsors... Someone forked the pricemoney making that person a sponsor.
On June 16 2011 00:38 dizzy101 wrote: So much hate this thread--it's just silly. Anonymity really does turn people into jerkwads.
Drewbie tapped out in what was a friendly showmatch. This was not a tourney, nothing depended on it, there were no sponsors. There's nothing weird or unsportsmanlike about that.
Get a life already people.
Drewbie didn't simply forfeit the match in a polite way. He just started the game and attacked his CC without saying anything, then 1-2 minutes afterward he whispers to Endrey "ggs thx for showmatches" in all caps and then Endrey has to find new opponents for Goody cause Drewbie is too lazy to play or whatever.
"there was no sponsor" such a stupid statement. The money is not coming from nowhere, Endrey gave Drewbie the opportunity to win 50 bucks and give us viewers a good show and Drewbie is just like "whatever don't care...". And Endrey -was- depending on Drewbie to play to give us a good show, that's totally disrespecting his hard work...
I don't hate Drewbie now or anything, for me he's pretty neutral, but don't say he didn't do anything.
I was a little disappointed and I do think that it was pretty silly behavior from Drewbie but you know who else feels that way? Drewbie, which is why he laid out an apology in this thread pretty quickly.
He's clearly got a lot going on right now and while that doesn't excuse any bad behavior, it should at least allow for some understanding. Besides, over the last few weeks, Endrey has done nothing but praise Drewbie and generally his opponent's manner and politeness, he's always been friendly towards his opponents and open to things like new maps and time-filler series for fun. This time around, he was in a bit of a poor mindset and displayed some bad manner, alright, not cool, but he realized he messed up and apologized for it immediately afterwards.
So let's put the pitchforks away and not bombard the guy with hatred for something he said sorry for, and something that honestly wasn't that big of a deal. Here's to hoping Drewbie can get back into face-crushing form again really soon.
Im not basing my opinion on him from these showmatches. He have always sucked at 1v1 in scbw. That havent changed in sc2 as far as im concerned. He can have a fanclub and a fanbase as big as korea itself i dont give a shit. Still people should cut the crap with all of that imaginery hype how good he is because he have never been anything more than average.
Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
The first part is obviously trolling but I'm not sure about the second. Goddamn.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
You take SC 2 too seriously methinks.
I disagree. Shouldn't one take one's job/livelihood seriously? If I were to destroy my own CC on ladder, no one would give two shits. I'm a lowly masters player with no illusions of going pro.
Drewbie, however, no longer represents himself only. He now wears the tag of a venerable esports organization and represents their management, his teammates, etc. It's bad business, all around.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
You take SC 2 too seriously methinks.
I disagree. Shouldn't one take one's job/livelihood seriously? If I were to destroy my own CC on ladder, no one would give two shits. I'm a lowly masters player with no illusions of going pro.
Drewbie, however, no longer represents himself only. He now wears the tag of a venerable esports organization and represents their management, his teammates, etc. It's bad business, all around.
I agree, he pretty much went and kicked Goody's computer and then shat himself. Your comparison was entirely accurate. In fact, I'd go as far to say it's like he did all that, and then threw feces at Endrey and then blew projectile vomit all over the banner of his new team all the while punching random children in the street.
It was a friendly show match, he wasn't in the mood, he got frustrated but it wasn't the big deal you're making it out to be. But no, he must be wholly tarnishing the reputation of everyone from Complexity. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
You take SC 2 too seriously methinks.
I disagree. Shouldn't one take one's job/livelihood seriously? If I were to destroy my own CC on ladder, no one would give two shits. I'm a lowly masters player with no illusions of going pro.
Drewbie, however, no longer represents himself only. He now wears the tag of a venerable esports organization and represents their management, his teammates, etc. It's bad business, all around.
I agree, he pretty much went and kicked Goody's computer and then shat himself. Your comparison was entirely accurate. In fact, I'd go as far to say it's like he did all that, and then threw feces at Endrey and then blew projectile vomit all over the banner of his new team all the while punching random children in the street.
It was a friendly show match, he wasn't in the mood, he got frustrated but it wasn't the big deal you're making it out to be. But no, he must be wholly tarnishing the reputation of everyone from Complexity. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Apologists are funny. I disagree, we'll leave it at that.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
You take SC 2 too seriously methinks.
I disagree. Shouldn't one take one's job/livelihood seriously? If I were to destroy my own CC on ladder, no one would give two shits. I'm a lowly masters player with no illusions of going pro.
Drewbie, however, no longer represents himself only. He now wears the tag of a venerable esports organization and represents their management, his teammates, etc. It's bad business, all around.
I agree, he pretty much went and kicked Goody's computer and then shat himself. Your comparison was entirely accurate. In fact, I'd go as far to say it's like he did all that, and then threw feces at Endrey and then blew projectile vomit all over the banner of his new team all the while punching random children in the street.
It was a friendly show match, he wasn't in the mood, he got frustrated but it wasn't the big deal you're making it out to be. But no, he must be wholly tarnishing the reputation of everyone from Complexity. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Apologists are funny. I disagree, we'll leave it at that.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
You take SC 2 too seriously methinks.
I disagree. Shouldn't one take one's job/livelihood seriously? If I were to destroy my own CC on ladder, no one would give two shits. I'm a lowly masters player with no illusions of going pro.
Drewbie, however, no longer represents himself only. He now wears the tag of a venerable esports organization and represents their management, his teammates, etc. It's bad business, all around.
I agree, he pretty much went and kicked Goody's computer and then shat himself. Your comparison was entirely accurate. In fact, I'd go as far to say it's like he did all that, and then threw feces at Endrey and then blew projectile vomit all over the banner of his new team all the while punching random children in the street.
It was a friendly show match, he wasn't in the mood, he got frustrated but it wasn't the big deal you're making it out to be. But no, he must be wholly tarnishing the reputation of everyone from Complexity. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
Apologists are funny. I disagree, we'll leave it at that.
No thanks. I'm well aware that many people dislike the very word esports, the concept of legitimizing it, taking our hobby/passion seriously, etc. I think all of that is bunk but thanks for the recommendation.
It's not joking the term esports, it's joking the people who flip shit when someone like Drewbie does something like this and try to bash him in the name of ESPORTS!!!!!!11
On June 16 2011 06:22 Mailing wrote: It's not joking the term esports, it's joking the people who flip shit when someone like Drewbie does something like this and try to bash him in the name of ESPORTS!!!!!!11
I see your point. I'm mainly saying that he misrepresented his employer, an organization I have a lot of respect for. I realize it was a show match; I just feel as a "pro gamer" you have certain obligations to not act like a child or a tool. It comes with the territory. I'm probably being naive but a man can dream.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
You serious? I normally don´t give a shit about what people say/write... but you are just trying to make Drewbie look bad. Did he cheese you on the ladder? Really... your behavior is disgusting!
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
You serious? I normally don´t give a shit about what people say/write... but you are just trying to make Drewbie look bad. Did he cheese you on the ladder? Really... your behavior is disgusting!
Im serious. Im not trying to make him look bad since he is bad. He havent cheesed me on the ladder. By the way ive played him enough times in scbw to know what im talking about (trashed him 99% of our games so yeah)
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
And im saying i dont care about your conclusions. You know nothing about me. Period.
IdrA is not my buddy and i doubt he will ever be. Mentioned him because he is one of the few people who speaks his mind. You cant expect someone like White-Ra to say that Drewbie is trash even if he thinks it. Lets be serious here - Drewbie havent achieved anything more than an average semi-good player would achieve.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
And im saying i dont care about your conclusions. You know nothing about me. Period.
IdrA is not my buddy and i doubt he will ever be. Mentioned him because he is one of the few people who speaks his mind. You cant expect someone like White-Ra to say that Drewbie is trash even if he thinks it. Lets be serious here - Drewbie havent achieved anything more than an average semi-good player would achieve.
Speaks his mind... About how almost everyone who has ever beaten him is trash. Let's not derail this thread with IdrA nonsense.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
And im saying i dont care about your conclusions. You know nothing about me. Period.
IdrA is not my buddy and i doubt he will ever be. Mentioned him because he is one of the few people who speaks his mind. You cant expect someone like White-Ra to say that Drewbie is trash even if he thinks it. Lets be serious here - Drewbie havent achieved anything more than an average semi-good player would achieve.
At least Drewbie achieved more than you...(I just assume this ´cause i´ve never heard of you...)
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
The first part is obviously trolling but I'm not sure about the second. Goddamn.
He's making pretty sound comparison. Trolling would be something like, "Drewbie made a good decision by killing his own cc."
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
he said this numerous times about huk. I've heard him say kiwi is good on numerous occasions.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
The first part is obviously trolling but I'm not sure about the second. Goddamn.
He's making pretty sound comparison. Trolling would be something like, "Drewbie made a good decision by killing his own cc."
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
The first part is obviously trolling but I'm not sure about the second. Goddamn.
He's making pretty sound comparison. Trolling would be something like, "Drewbie made a good decision by killing his own cc."
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
he said this numerous times about huk. I've heard him say kiwi is good on numerous occasions.
Yeah, that's not a very sound comparison and the second part is slightly fanatical if anything. But hey, to each his own.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
And im saying i dont care about your conclusions. You know nothing about me. Period.
IdrA is not my buddy and i doubt he will ever be. Mentioned him because he is one of the few people who speaks his mind. You cant expect someone like White-Ra to say that Drewbie is trash even if he thinks it. Lets be serious here - Drewbie havent achieved anything more than an average semi-good player would achieve.
Speaks his mind... About how almost everyone who has ever beaten him is trash. Let's not derail this thread with IdrA nonsense.
You're essentially trolling at this point.
Nah hes just trash talking a lot. He have enough respect for players like Ret and Mondragon for example.
Im not trolling ive said what i had to say. People can think whatever they want i dont care.
On June 16 2011 05:26 IPA wrote: Drewbie's behavior translated into my life: returning from a work trip, only to begin drop kicking the fax machine while simultaneously shitting my pants.
It's not professional and it's not right. That's a great representation of the brand new "ESPORTS" team you've just signed with. All the drewbie defenders have no respect for professionalism. I just expected more, I suppose.
The first part is obviously trolling but I'm not sure about the second. Goddamn.
He's making pretty sound comparison. Trolling would be something like, "Drewbie made a good decision by killing his own cc."
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
he said this numerous times about huk. I've heard him say kiwi is good on numerous occasions.
Yeah, that's not a very sound comparison and the second part is slightly fanatical if anything. But hey, to each his own.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
And im saying i dont care about your conclusions. You know nothing about me. Period.
IdrA is not my buddy and i doubt he will ever be. Mentioned him because he is one of the few people who speaks his mind. You cant expect someone like White-Ra to say that Drewbie is trash even if he thinks it. Lets be serious here - Drewbie havent achieved anything more than an average semi-good player would achieve.
At least Drewbie achieved more than you...(I just assume this ´cause i´ve never heard of you...)
Your right,hehe. Still im not playing seriously sc2 so its a hard comparison. I dont think im that behind since he havent achieved anything meaningful yet. Lol
On June 15 2011 06:17 DailYLeet wrote: hm EU just got the better players then NA in the moment.
I don't contest that, but Drewbie isn't exactly the best NA player (I know that GoOdy isn't among the best EU players either, but the other three are all up there). I'd love to see one of these showmatch series featuring someone like IdrA, KiWiKaKi, Naniwa, or Dimaga, but these players are obviously hard to get a hold of for several weeks in a row. You'd need to have pretty good prizes for the winners.
You realize only 2 of those are NA, right? Naniwa = Sweden and Dimaga = Ukraine.
This thread is hilarious. Put some perspective on it guys. If you had a colleague, has been good mannered the whole time, but decides after travelling for 2-3 weeks, comes back to work, decides he doesn't really want to do work, so he throws his computer on the floor and walks out of the office without saying anything. What do you think would happen to that individual? Pretty sure his past reputation wouldn't help much, and the guy would probably be fired ore put on probation.
Just because Drewbie is a "pro gamer" doesn't mean he gets a get out of jail pass. Also, I'm honestly not very jealous of the pro gamer life. I know for sure if I had to play any game 7-8 hours a day every day, I'd get pretty sick of it.
Replays, Results - (Spoiler free) VODs are updated in the OP.
Thanks to Drew for playing and thanks to White-Ra, Beastyqt, Dimaga, Kas, Goody for playing the matches. Taking a look at the results+ Show Spoiler +
it was a pretty one sided series, with a total of 16:2 in favour of Europe .
I am not talking about possible reasons or anything like that im just stating facts atm.
Beside from the results - the games where entertaining and we truly had one of the best players in EU playing against Drewbie.
Once again I apoligize for delays we had in the past. I tried my best to keep everyone entertained and provide some high quality commentary to some high quality matches - so thanks once again to Beastyqt , Kas , Tefel for providing us some out-of-the-main-part-conent
However the results were - I appreciate the discussions and the opinions by everyone here in the thread and in the chat as well and I hope to be able to deliver some high quality content in the future once again.
SO if anybody want to sponsor something similar or knows of a company who might be interested to do something like that feel free to contact me!
In addition to that - tell me what players you might want to see in the future for similar events, who do you want to see duke it out. Of course I am way better conected in Euope I still can try my best here. Keep in mind that my ressources are limited and getting IdrA to play some matches might not be too easy for me to achieve.
On June 16 2011 09:41 ct2299 wrote: This thread is hilarious. Put some perspective on it guys. If you had a colleague, has been good mannered the whole time, but decides after travelling for 2-3 weeks, comes back to work, decides he doesn't really want to do work, so he throws his computer on the floor and walks out of the office without saying anything. What do you think would happen to that individual? Pretty sure his past reputation wouldn't help much, and the guy would probably be fired ore put on probation.
Just because Drewbie is a "pro gamer" doesn't mean he gets a get out of jail pass. Also, I'm honestly not very jealous of the pro gamer life. I know for sure if I had to play any game 7-8 hours a day every day, I'd get pretty sick of it.
so what you are saying is that your posts have been objectively to discuss his BM towards goody, and you did not repeatedly try to convince people he is without the doubt a terrible progamer
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
My point is only the truth. Why dont you ask someone like IdrA what he thinks about Drewbie? Or any top player who will give you an honest answer? Keep your conclusions about imposing,being always right and anonymity on the internet to yourself. Im talking about Drewbie the player and i guess its really hard for some people to fully understand it.
you really dont see your posting patterns do you? im talking about you as a poster being the nonconstructive keyboard warrior that you are, i guess some people just cant understand
as far as idra, he say's kiwikaki and huk is shit, you just keep believing your buddy idra
And im saying i dont care about your conclusions. You know nothing about me. Period.
IdrA is not my buddy and i doubt he will ever be. Mentioned him because he is one of the few people who speaks his mind. You cant expect someone like White-Ra to say that Drewbie is trash even if he thinks it. Lets be serious here - Drewbie havent achieved anything more than an average semi-good player would achieve.
At least Drewbie achieved more than you...(I just assume this ´cause i´ve never heard of you...)
depends on how we look at our achievements, in sc2 sure i dont have the time to be a progamer, the car i drive vs his car, the amount of money i make vs the amount of money he makes, im willing to be i come out ahead.
Replays, Results - (Spoiler free) VODs are updated in the OP.
Thanks to Drew for playing and thanks to White-Ra, Beastyqt, Dimaga, Kas, Goody for playing the matches. Taking a look at the results+ Show Spoiler +
it was a pretty one sided series, with a total of 16:2 in favour of Europe .
I am not talking about possible reasons or anything like that im just stating facts atm.
Beside from the results - the games where entertaining and we truly had one of the best players in EU playing against Drewbie.
Once again I apoligize for delays we had in the past. I tried my best to keep everyone entertained and provide some high quality commentary to some high quality matches - so thanks once again to Beastyqt , Kas , Tefel for providing us some out-of-the-main-part-conent
However the results were - I appreciate the discussions and the opinions by everyone here in the thread and in the chat as well and I hope to be able to deliver some high quality content in the future once again.
SO if anybody want to sponsor something similar or knows of a company who might be interested to do something like that feel free to contact me!
In addition to that - tell me what players you might want to see in the future for similar events, who do you want to see duke it out. Of course I am way better conected in Euope I still can try my best here. Keep in mind that my ressources are limited and getting IdrA to play some matches might not be too easy for me to achieve.
I would like to maybe see an underexposed but talented European take on some up and comers from Korea. Maybe someone like Beasty or Happy against some lesser known younger koreans like Creative or DongRaeGu.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
"People who disagree with me are trying to impose their opinions! And they aren't MY opinions!"
That's all I gathered from your post. I don't see what gives you the right to post any more than anyone else in this thread. No one is on an anti-Drewbie crusade. I haven't seen anyone post anything in this thread that wasn't a fact, such as the fact that he gave up in a showmatch or that he went 2-16.
The funny thing is that if you weren't rushing to be an Internet white knight, this thread would probably die sooner and this thread would get less exposure.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
"People who disagree with me are trying to impose their opinions! And they aren't MY opinions!"
That's all I gathered from your post. I don't see what gives you the right to post any more than anyone else in this thread. No one is on an anti-Drewbie crusade. I haven't seen anyone post anything in this thread that wasn't a fact, such as the fact that he gave up in a showmatch or that he went 2-16.
The funny thing is that if you weren't rushing to be an Internet white knight, this thread would probably die sooner and this thread would get less exposure.
to be honest, telling someone to not post at all is pretty shitty of me, you're right they are entitled to their opinions
but i am disappointing at the mentality that people come into threads with intent to belittle drewbie. if drewbie is so bad why even bother watching the show match? and if you didnt even watch the show match why comment on it at all? yeah he bm'd endrey pretty badly by not even finishing the series properly, but why bring up his bw background? many of the koreans that are dominating the GSL didnt have much bw success, why say zotac cup aint shit? its not like it was a silver league tournament
id rather be an internet white knight than an internet cynical ass any day of the week, and if you weren't paying attention this thread was extended by them way more than me
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
"People who disagree with me are trying to impose their opinions! And they aren't MY opinions!"
That's all I gathered from your post. I don't see what gives you the right to post any more than anyone else in this thread. No one is on an anti-Drewbie crusade. I haven't seen anyone post anything in this thread that wasn't a fact, such as the fact that he gave up in a showmatch or that he went 2-16.
The funny thing is that if you weren't rushing to be an Internet white knight, this thread would probably die sooner and this thread would get less exposure.
to be honest, telling someone to not post at all is pretty shitty of me, you're right they are entitled to their opinions
but i am disappointing at the mentality that people come into threads with intent to belittle drewbie. if drewbie is so bad why even bother watching the show match? and if you didnt even watch the show match why comment on it at all? yeah he bm'd endrey pretty badly by not even finishing the series properly, but why bring up his bw background? many of the koreans that are dominating the GSL didnt have much bw success, why say zotac cup aint shit? its not like it was a silver league tournament
id rather be an internet white knight than an internet cynical ass any day of the week, and if you weren't paying attention this thread was extended by them way more than me
I said that for an averagely good gamer he gets too much hype. Your asking why should anyone watch him if he is bad? Well you dont have to be a top player to get attention. I bringed his scbw background to prove my point that he have never been anything more than an average 1v1 player. . Zotac cup aint shit because hundreds of other players have shared the same "success" as him in such tournaments and they still are average.
On June 16 2011 05:33 flamekin wrote: lol i love how so many of you have time to come shit on drewbie, i think most of you are just jealous that even though drewbie doesnt have great results that he gets to live his life as a progamer.
guess what, you can quit your 9-5 and if you get to that level at sc2 you can display all the professionalism you want
but seriously drewbie wtf? at least cheese him or something
We have time to express our opinion sure. Your suggesting that only people like u who suck up on him should talk?
To be honest im really jealous that Drewbie sucks. He can live whatever life he wants yet the point still stands that he is bad or average if u like.
im saying people like you shouldnt post at all. you have one point stuck in your head that drewbie sucks, and keep re-engaging in the thread to repeat the same point.you dont only want to share your opinion but you want to impose your opinion that drewbie is bad. you are so self-important that you have to be right on an internet forum. its not only a problem with you, but with the anonymity of the internet
im not gonna deny drewbie doesnt have the results to show for sc2, or his unprofessionalism vs goody
"People who disagree with me are trying to impose their opinions! And they aren't MY opinions!"
That's all I gathered from your post. I don't see what gives you the right to post any more than anyone else in this thread. No one is on an anti-Drewbie crusade. I haven't seen anyone post anything in this thread that wasn't a fact, such as the fact that he gave up in a showmatch or that he went 2-16.
The funny thing is that if you weren't rushing to be an Internet white knight, this thread would probably die sooner and this thread would get less exposure.
to be honest, telling someone to not post at all is pretty shitty of me, you're right they are entitled to their opinions
but i am disappointing at the mentality that people come into threads with intent to belittle drewbie. if drewbie is so bad why even bother watching the show match? and if you didnt even watch the show match why comment on it at all? yeah he bm'd endrey pretty badly by not even finishing the series properly, but why bring up his bw background? many of the koreans that are dominating the GSL didnt have much bw success, why say zotac cup aint shit? its not like it was a silver league tournament
id rather be an internet white knight than an internet cynical ass any day of the week, and if you weren't paying attention this thread was extended by them way more than me
I said that for an averagely good gamer he gets too much hype. Your asking why should anyone watch him if he is bad? Well you dont have to be a top player to get attention. I bringed his scbw background to prove my point that he have never been anything more than an average 1v1 player. . Zotac cup aint shit because hundreds of other players have shared the same "success" as him in such tournaments and they still are average.
you didn't say he was averagely good, you said he was bad
my question was interpreted incorrectly, it was that in the hypothetical that if you think he's so bad why give him any attention at all?
and im curious what hype does he really get? people want him to do well, sure, but i have never heard anyone say "oh drewbie's gonna take MLG easy."
finally your point is from scbw, that drewbie will never succeed? thats saying before sc2 was ever released, you could determine MC would never win a huge championship cause in brood war he was an "average" progamer
meh yeah drewbie is so stupid to run his whole army in a goody tank line .. doesnt surprise me that he wants to kill his own stuff. how stupid one have to be to not know that all goody does is ... tanks and use them well
Very unprofessional drewbie. I don't recall anyone going out of a match like that, nevertheless a SHOWMATCH. It doesn't matter HOW frustrated you are, no matter if you haven't practiced in a year, you can't bm like that. I would be appalled if a bronze leaguer did that.
To all the people saying that he's apologized etc, I respect that drewbie. But seriously, what you did CANNOT be forgiven and forgotten overnight. I don't think even IdrA has done that. Let's just say it's a pinnacle in the SC2 scene.
Also, I seriously feel sorry for Endrey (and I hope drewbie has apologised suffienciently, for leaving Endrey to clean up his mess. Think for other people, man!) as he organised all the showmatches, contacted all the players and put so much time and effort for us to enjoy the showmatches. Words cannot express how bad I felt for Endrey after that match... I mean how were you supposed to react lol?
On a minor note, compLexity must not be feeling to happy either, as drewbie just embarassed them hardcore ^^.
Finally, to anyone that hates on me, I'm not trying to troll/hate on drewbie, I'm just trying to point out how badly he has messed up. Atleast he has apologised - that takes courage after what he did.
On June 17 2011 19:21 zeOllie wrote: Very unprofessional drewbie. I don't recall anyone going out of a match like that, nevertheless a SHOWMATCH. It doesn't matter HOW frustrated you are, no matter if you haven't practiced in a year, you can't bm like that. I would be appalled if a bronze leaguer did that.
To all the people saying that he's apologized etc, I respect that drewbie. But seriously, what you did CANNOT be forgiven and forgotten overnight. I don't think even IdrA has done that. Let's just say it's a pinnacle in the SC2 scene.
Also, I seriously feel sorry for Endrey (and I hope drewbie has apologised suffienciently, for leaving Endrey to clean up his mess. Think for other people, man!) as he organised all the showmatches, contacted all the players and put so much time and effort for us to enjoy the showmatches. Words cannot express how bad I felt for Endrey after that match... I mean how were you supposed to react lol?
On a minor note, compLexity must not be feeling to happy either, as drewbie just embarassed them hardcore ^^.
Finally, to anyone that hates on me, I'm not trying to troll/hate on drewbie, I'm just trying to point out how badly he has messed up. Atleast he has apologised - that takes courage after what he did.
GG
Stop being so emotional. You are not watching the dreamhack finals ore something, this is a showmatch that is really easy to host. Drewbie's action was not nice but people are acting like it was the lowest deed possible.
And remember stacraft2 is still playing video games for fun, it is not that we are on the same level as football(soccer) or tennis. yet!
On June 17 2011 19:21 zeOllie wrote: Very unprofessional drewbie. I don't recall anyone going out of a match like that, nevertheless a SHOWMATCH. It doesn't matter HOW frustrated you are, no matter if you haven't practiced in a year, you can't bm like that. I would be appalled if a bronze leaguer did that.
To all the people saying that he's apologized etc, I respect that drewbie. But seriously, what you did CANNOT be forgiven and forgotten overnight. I don't think even IdrA has done that. Let's just say it's a pinnacle in the SC2 scene.
Also, I seriously feel sorry for Endrey (and I hope drewbie has apologised suffienciently, for leaving Endrey to clean up his mess. Think for other people, man!) as he organised all the showmatches, contacted all the players and put so much time and effort for us to enjoy the showmatches. Words cannot express how bad I felt for Endrey after that match... I mean how were you supposed to react lol?
On a minor note, compLexity must not be feeling to happy either, as drewbie just embarassed them hardcore ^^.
Finally, to anyone that hates on me, I'm not trying to troll/hate on drewbie, I'm just trying to point out how badly he has messed up. Atleast he has apologised - that takes courage after what he did.
GG
Stop being so emotional. You are not watching the dreamhack finals ore something, this is a showmatch that is really easy to host. Drewbie's action was not nice but people are acting like it was the lowest deed possible.
And remember stacraft2 is still playing video games for fun, it is not that we are on the same level as football(soccer) or tennis. yet!
It's a showmatch that is hosted around him, and he decided to attack his own cc and you think it's fine? This has nothing to do with playing games, this is about a guy who acts like a jerk to an audience that came to see him. Literary dozens of people were disappointed when they watched this live, because I can't imagine anyone seeing this after he has been getting owned every time, and it was a tvt vs the most boring (tvt) player.
On June 15 2011 06:17 DailYLeet wrote: hm EU just got the better players then NA in the moment.
I don't contest that, but Drewbie isn't exactly the best NA player (I know that GoOdy isn't among the best EU players either, but the other three are all up there). I'd love to see one of these showmatch series featuring someone like IdrA, KiWiKaKi, Naniwa, or Dimaga, but these players are obviously hard to get a hold of for several weeks in a row. You'd need to have pretty good prizes for the winners.
You realize only 2 of those are NA, right? Naniwa = Sweden and Dimaga = Ukraine.
This post was made a few days ago, but yeah, I realize that. I mean that I'd like to see "X vs. Continent" showmatches involving players like that, not necessary NA players only.
Yeah seriously... I used to think of drewbie as one of my favourite terrans now he isn't on that list at all and won't be anytime soon I think. This + complexity's handling of the destiny situation I don't think I'll be supporting much coL. stuff or drewbie shenanigans anytime soon
drewbie was just angry because he finally recongnized how bad he is in comparison to the euro players and that he cant just play like that and even hope to have a chance
On July 13 2011 20:58 sVnteen wrote: drewbie was just angry because he finally recongnized how bad he is in comparison to the euro players and that he cant just play like that and even hope to have a chance
Overall in reading this and the Catz thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic hate filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not.
On July 13 2011 20:58 sVnteen wrote: drewbie was just angry because he finally recongnized how bad he is in comparison to the euro players and that he cant just play like that and even hope to have a chance
Overall in reading this and the Catz thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic hate filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not.
Why would we not criticize him though? He's a shitty pro player, he's BM, and he doesn't have anything going for him. Literally, name one reason why I should like him. I can't like him for his play, his personality, and those are the only 2 things you really know about a progamer. So yeah, we can criticize him.
On July 13 2011 20:58 sVnteen wrote: drewbie was just angry because he finally recongnized how bad he is in comparison to the euro players and that he cant just play like that and even hope to have a chance
Overall in reading this and the Catz thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic hate filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not.
Why would we not criticize him though? He's a shitty pro player, he's BM, and he doesn't have anything going for him. Literally, name one reason why I should like him. I can't like him for his play, his personality, and those are the only 2 things you really know about a progamer. So yeah, we can criticize him.
EPT
White-Ra, 
Beastyqt, 
DIMAGA, 
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i almost feel bad for him
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Select 2158![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/flags/ca.png)
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