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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:14 Amui wrote: Surprised Machine doesn't know how to kill a scouted 2gate <.< yeah a lot of zergs have been forgetting that protosses can 2gate, a lot of protosses have been forgetting they can do it as well. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
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Duoma
United States396 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:15 MonsieurGrimm wrote: so far in this thread you've complained about complainers more than anyone else has complained about anything. He's five levels deep =O | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:15 kvn4444 wrote: mc lost to ret and ace, who was the other person he lost too? his other loss was a walkover because he was flying back to Korea from Sweden due to Dreamhack his flight got delayed so he wasn't able to show up and play his NASL match | ||
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kvn4444
1510 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:18 udgnim wrote: his other loss was a walkover because he was flying back to Korea from Sweden due to Dreamhack his flight got delayed so he wasn't able to show up and play his NASL match ah ic, thx. thought i missed a game or vod or something. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:14 Enervate wrote: Well that was kinda embarassing. Felt like a BW Korean vs foreginer game lol (which it kinda was). yeah, Bisu vs that one german kid (Draco maybe?) i dont remember. had the same outcome though. I think Machine was betting on a fake double gate, where MC would send out only a few zealots and then follow up with quick stalkers to counter the roaches but he just kept sending them... oh well. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
I can't wait until we get to week 7/8/9. Looks like MC will atleast get out of the group stage. Even right now hes just barely outside of the top 30 so he should make it easily. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:16 Serpico wrote: yes you can because you're saying if the best zerg in the world can do it all zergs can and that machine can do it against the best protoss in the world too. It doesnt make sense. Crossfire is just a bad map. Let's walk through this. The first post was about how this is a bad map for Zerg. They the Nestea says wassup post. Then you say you can't use Nestea because he is the best Zerg in the world. So I bring up Catz winning on the map. And then you say this is machine vs MC who happens to be the best protoss in the world. The reason for not including the best players at their respective races is because they are most likely just better than their opponent, which is why they won the games rather than map fairness. So Nestea winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Just like MC winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Hence why you can't say you can't cite Nestea as an example and then cite MC as one. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
 but i'm glad Brat_OK pulled it out of the bag. Still, the only series i got wrong today. All in all, a good bunch of series. Good night all . | ||
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Lightwish01
65 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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UnknownReclaimer
United States146 Posts
But I have to say, I loved the edit with the monkey!!! I literally fell of my computer chair laughing so hard. Keep up the great work guys, love everything I've seen so far! | ||
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Saiwa
Germany789 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218068 | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:22 jmbthirteen wrote: Let's walk through this. The first post was about how this is a bad map for Zerg. They the Nestea says wassup post. Then you say you can't use Nestea because he is the best Zerg in the world. So I bring up Catz winning on the map. And then you say this is machine vs MC who happens to be the best protoss in the world. The reason for not including the best players at their respective races is because they are most likely just better than their opponent, which is why they won the games rather than map fairness. So Nestea winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Just like MC winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Hence why you can't say you can't cite Nestea as an example and then cite MC as one. Nestea would have won that game 10 times over if it had been on any other map. Don't get me wrong, sC played fabulous (and I'm not one to like Bunker rushes) but Nestea was repeatedly stymied by the narrow chokes and ridiculous amount of varied high ground from which to tank push/drop. Crossfire is a terrible map, balance wise. Most pros recognize this and I'm surprised every time I see it in a tournament map pool. Absolutely no reason to choke the map that much so that every screen has a ramp and/or elevation change from which you can shell your opponent. And all this coming from someone who believes that race balance is fine (disregarding maps). | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 15:15 ZasZ. wrote: Nestea would have won that game 10 times over if it had been on any other map. Don't get me wrong, sC played fabulous (and I'm not one to like Bunker rushes) but Nestea was repeatedly stymied by the narrow chokes and ridiculous amount of varied high ground from which to tank push/drop. Crossfire is a terrible map, balance wise. Most pros recognize this and I'm surprised every time I see it in a tournament map pool. Absolutely no reason to choke the map that much so that every screen has a ramp and/or elevation change from which you can shell your opponent. And all this coming from someone who believes that race balance is fine (disregarding maps). Oh I completely agree. I was just pointing out the flaws in his argument. | ||
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pieman819
Australia457 Posts
On May 08 2011 15:15 ZasZ. wrote: Nestea would have won that game 10 times over if it had been on any other map. Don't get me wrong, sC played fabulous (and I'm not one to like Bunker rushes) but Nestea was repeatedly stymied by the narrow chokes and ridiculous amount of varied high ground from which to tank push/drop. Crossfire is a terrible map, balance wise. Most pros recognize this and I'm surprised every time I see it in a tournament map pool. Absolutely no reason to choke the map that much so that every screen has a ramp and/or elevation change from which you can shell your opponent. And all this coming from someone who believes that race balance is fine (disregarding maps). I agree it's not the best map, some cool runarounds have happened on it though like July v Huk and Incontrol v Ensnare but in general zerg has a hard time with the chokes and positioning in the center grants too much of an advantage in the other matchups. I think Backwater is a map that is terribly imbalanced but not for a specific race but for specific spawn locations. If the counter clockwise thirds were moved closer (not sure on this) or cross positions forced it might have been a cool map | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On May 08 2011 14:22 jmbthirteen wrote: Let's walk through this. The first post was about how this is a bad map for Zerg. They the Nestea says wassup post. Then you say you can't use Nestea because he is the best Zerg in the world. So I bring up Catz winning on the map. And then you say this is machine vs MC who happens to be the best protoss in the world. The reason for not including the best players at their respective races is because they are most likely just better than their opponent, which is why they won the games rather than map fairness. So Nestea winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Just like MC winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Hence why you can't say you can't cite Nestea as an example and then cite MC as one. Player skill has nothing to do with Crossfire being a shitty map for zerg You can't point to a few zerg wins on the map and say therefore it must not be shitty If you're just discussing how this guy is using examples, you're practically arguing semantics, which would seem like kind of a worthless post to me MC is definitely better than Machine though. even if he has been slumping | ||
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