NASL Week 4 Day 4 - Page 72

On May 08 2011 14:14 Amui wrote:
Surprised Machine doesn't know how to kill a scouted 2gate <.<

On May 08 2011 14:15 MonsieurGrimm wrote:

so far in this thread you've complained about complainers more than anyone else has complained about anything.

On May 08 2011 14:15 kvn4444 wrote:
mc lost to ret and ace, who was the other person he lost too?

On May 08 2011 14:18 udgnim wrote:


his other loss was a walkover because he was flying back to Korea from Sweden due to Dreamhack

his flight got delayed so he wasn't able to show up and play his NASL match

On May 08 2011 14:14 Enervate wrote:
Well that was kinda embarassing. Felt like a BW Korean vs foreginer game lol (which it kinda was).

On May 08 2011 14:16 Serpico wrote:

yes you can because you're saying if the best zerg in the world can do it all zergs can and that machine can do it against the best protoss in the world too. It doesnt make sense. Crossfire is just a bad map.

On May 08 2011 14:22 jmbthirteen wrote:


Let's walk through this. The first post was about how this is a bad map for Zerg. They the Nestea says wassup post. Then you say you can't use Nestea because he is the best Zerg in the world. So I bring up Catz winning on the map. And then you say this is machine vs MC who happens to be the best protoss in the world. The reason for not including the best players at their respective races is because they are most likely just better than their opponent, which is why they won the games rather than map fairness. So Nestea winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Just like MC winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Hence why you can't say you can't cite Nestea as an example and then cite MC as one.

On May 08 2011 15:15 ZasZ. wrote:


Nestea would have won that game 10 times over if it had been on any other map. Don't get me wrong, sC played fabulous (and I'm not one to like Bunker rushes) but Nestea was repeatedly stymied by the narrow chokes and ridiculous amount of varied high ground from which to tank push/drop.

Crossfire is a terrible map, balance wise. Most pros recognize this and I'm surprised every time I see it in a tournament map pool. Absolutely no reason to choke the map that much so that every screen has a ramp and/or elevation change from which you can shell your opponent.

And all this coming from someone who believes that race balance is fine (disregarding maps).

On May 08 2011 15:15 ZasZ. wrote:


Nestea would have won that game 10 times over if it had been on any other map. Don't get me wrong, sC played fabulous (and I'm not one to like Bunker rushes) but Nestea was repeatedly stymied by the narrow chokes and ridiculous amount of varied high ground from which to tank push/drop.

Crossfire is a terrible map, balance wise. Most pros recognize this and I'm surprised every time I see it in a tournament map pool. Absolutely no reason to choke the map that much so that every screen has a ramp and/or elevation change from which you can shell your opponent.

And all this coming from someone who believes that race balance is fine (disregarding maps).

On May 08 2011 14:22 jmbthirteen wrote:


Let's walk through this. The first post was about how this is a bad map for Zerg. They the Nestea says wassup post. Then you say you can't use Nestea because he is the best Zerg in the world. So I bring up Catz winning on the map. And then you say this is machine vs MC who happens to be the best protoss in the world. The reason for not including the best players at their respective races is because they are most likely just better than their opponent, which is why they won the games rather than map fairness. So Nestea winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Just like MC winning on Crossfire has to do with him being the best, not the map. Hence why you can't say you can't cite Nestea as an example and then cite MC as one.