EPT[GSL] Up & Down groups. - Page 13
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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Poopi
France13023 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:05 ChickenLips wrote: yep incredibly lucky - with people like check, who has god awful shit ZvP, Trickster who has been in a slump since beta, TheWind who plays maybe 3 hours a day, Hongun who is god awful as well and ... to top it all off, Rain who is Code B material - to face either of 2 of the best Terrans in a BO1. so goddamn lucky It's BO3 isn't it? And MMA TvP is really not that good, he lost to SangHo in the last code A season, so HuK has a good chance if MKP beat MMA. MKP's TvP is not his best MU but he probably can beat any protoss, but he is not regular so it's hard to predict. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On the other hand, maybe he has not lived up to his lofty expectations during the beta and people expect more of him. Maybe his true talent level hasn't been shown, but what he has shown is pretty good. | ||
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Traven
United States160 Posts
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:29 Traven wrote: HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment. It's not the group of death, it has HuK. D is much scarier. | ||
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:05 ChickenLips wrote: yep incredibly lucky - with people like check, who has god awful shit ZvP, Trickster who has been in a slump since beta, TheWind who plays maybe 3 hours a day, Hongun who is god awful as well and ... to top it all off, Rain who is Code B material - to face either of 2 of the best Terrans in a BO1. so goddamn lucky lol you act like Huk deserves to be in Code S. sorry bro he's going back where he belongs. aside from his ro16 matchup in GSL March against SC Tester has had strong showings in each GSL he's been in. his PvT looked unstoppable against Ensnare and he's only in the up and downs because of how random and unforgiving PvP is. TheWind is a coach and is probably one of the most intelligent players in GSL and has showed flashes of brilliance like his match against San in GSL March. if Hongun is god awful what exactly does that make Huk then? Hongun has been one of the more consistent Protoss players since GSL Open 1. Rain has a GSL finals appearance which is more than Huk will ever accomplish in his career. Check is bad, I'll give you that. | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
On May 07 2011 06:23 Amui wrote: QFT. PvP is not a unstable matchup. It has a lot of fundamentals that reward EXTREMELY crisp execution and perfect micro. Even if Ryung did beat MC, MC will not lose to HongUn. MC has execution and micro down to the point where if you took most masters players who can execute the standard 4wg, MC would still win even though the other player had the ramp advantage because his 4wg comes earlier because of all the little things he does like stacking close minerals, and perfect timings, in addition to impeccable micro. I feel really sorry for Huk though, he really would've had a better chance if MVP had picked him. Huk is leagues better than Rain. Lol'd, quit throwing around the word 'trolling' over every little thing. If you actually went ahead and read my post correctly you would've noticed that I stated 'PvP is unstable' is still the general consensus of most fans as well as plenty of progamers, however there are certain players who have mastered it such as MC and InCa. Thanks. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
On May 06 2011 20:12 TheSilverfox wrote: oGsTheWind = Forever Code S? It's a possibility... He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ, Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz. Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. + Show Spoiler + What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose. | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:38 Cyanocyst wrote: He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ, Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz. Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. + Show Spoiler + What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose. Are people really mad that the Coach let his players beat him? lol | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:47 mikyaJ wrote: Are people really mad that the Coach let his players beat him? lol yes. Considering the match fixing history in Starcraft, I'd say it's a big deal. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. why would he let supernova win? just curious. edit: so that ogs team member goes thru? thats absurd, if he had beaten supernova it would've been 1-1 for all players and he would get a chance to take revenge on MC (who arogantly picked him and then cannon rushed him) | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
I'd be surprised if Jinro doesn't retain Code S and as for TheWind - lol i doubt he'll ever be a full time coach at this rate  | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:29 Traven wrote: HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment. That's no group of death, huk will lose easily. Group of death is clearly group D. Hongun is going to visit Code A apparently, MC is too good at PvP | ||
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theunseen
United States2 Posts
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doihy
668 Posts
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On May 07 2011 07:38 Cyanocyst wrote: He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ, Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz. Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. + Show Spoiler + What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose. There has been bad play before in the GSL which has made no sense. Accusing the coach of match fixing is a pretty big insult and accusation. It really seems like an unfair and unfortunate statement to make without any proof. There could be any number of reasons he played poorly (such as not having time to practice) that choosing the one that reflects so poorly on the Wind is pretty lame. | ||
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
Keen and San (Keen has won my heart with his ceremonies, and is an extremely powerful player. However, it will be quite scary for him, as his only showing in TvP so far is his game vs. banbassu, who is not a huge name in himself. Tester, however is underperforming, and without storm, San needs time to readjust his strategies, so I think he has a good chance in this group. Who will survive between Tester and San will truly come down to who wins the first game. If trickster wins, without storm [the basis of San's PvT and PvZ], he will lose to Keen's solid play. If Keen wins, however, San will probably win in a PvP, seeing has he's one of the few that has taken a game off of MC in PvP in a convincing fashion, and the only one to match and beat MC in a straight up 4-gate vs. 4-gate. Jinro and Zenio (I'm a big fan of oGs, so that's where my biase comes in... I also don't see coca as a hugely solid player. He took down squirtle who's been seriously underperforming, and Noblesse, who's a largely untested name from a up-and-coming team. He's good, but according to Jinro, Zenio is an oGs ace, and I don't think CoCa comes to that level) Alive and Byun (Kind of a subpar group here, TBH... Alive is solid, Byun is solid, Check is not, and so I really don't have a preference here, I just know that Check is not getting out) MC and Ryung (MC is MC, and Ryung is one of the Slayers Terran Beasts... Even if Ryung can take down MC, there's almost no way MC's gonna lose to HongUn. However, I'm not sure about Ryung's chances vs. Hongun, so if MC beats Ryung like he probably will, HongUn has a chance to make it out of the group, albeit a slim one.) MMA and MarineKingPrime (Sorry Huk, but once you improve and are code S material again, I will root for you as hard as I can!) Violet and TheWind (His game vs, san was AMAZING... And I just never liked Kyrix) MVP and Rain (Rainbow's play has been so bad, and I don't mind Rain as much as many other players) Bomber and Lyn (Ensnare's play has also been subpar since his win against NesTea) | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
San Trickster Jinro Zenio Alive Byun MC Ryung MMA MKP Violet Kyrix MVP Rainbow Bomber Ensnare Those should be the winners of the groups. Shocked there ended up being an all zerg group (how are these decided again?) | ||
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