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Harrow
United States245 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:20 AndAgain wrote: Unpredictability is a good quality in and of itself. That's something that Idra doesn't understand and never ever will. I don't think you've been keeping up with Idra's recent play. | ||
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namedplayer
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:24 funkyfritter wrote: Being unpredictable and being willing to adapt quickly puts your opponent on the back foot before the game even begins. As good as Idra is one of his biggest weaknesses is that he almost never does early all-in aggression unless he planned to do so before the game even started. By comparison, what makes July so scary is that he's willing to go all-in the second his opponent makes a mistake or gets a little greedy. The argument definitely shouldn't be that Idra doesn't UNDERSTAND being aggressive or taking risks, though. Idra on risks: + Show Spoiler + its not cocky, its not arrogant, its not flash losing focus and its not stupid of him to take risks. terran is fragile. playing to minimize losses can work to an extent, if you're good enough. look at all the solid terrans there have been, people like midas and hwasin, theyre ridiculously good. they won, alot. they never won a title. because once you start playing against bisu and jaedong and effort, if you play to not lose you have no chance because that style can be abused very hard. thats why flash has always been able to win, he is one of the best mechanically anyway, but he takes risks. theyre normally very well calculated and based on scouting and knowledge, not pure luck, but they are risks none the less and sometimes that backfires and you look stupid no matter who you are. flash won game 2 cuz he left his base relatively open while mutas are out and goes to pressure effort's third. at that point hes way, way behind and if the attack doesnt go his way hes dead, but if he doesnt do anything with the situation hes in a lot of trouble anyway. so he takes his chance, and it works. game 4, if he just sits back and tries to turtle up effort runs him ragged with muta micro, given how fast mutas come off that build and the setup of fighting spirit. so he pushes out right before mutas will be out to try to pressure, hoping to catch effort off guard and force a sunken or lings, anything to lessen the effect of the mutas. but efforts prepared for this and it doesnt work. in both games hes in a tough situation and takes a risk to try to turn it in his favor. one game he looks great, the other he looks retarded. a more conservative player will sit back and turret up both games, he doesnt run the risk of dying immediately and he doesnt end up looking stupid and getting criticized. but hes never gonna win a starleague. | ||
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jarhead271
United States160 Posts
We are only in week three, but when this hits week 7 I think NASL is going to explode into something NA has yet to see. And after season 1 finals, I know I'm going to be super pumped about what season two will bring. | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On April 29 2011 14:08 epik640x wrote: July is so awesome like a Jigglypuff Snorlax god of fucking war. Ugh I always hated it when Snorlax used Rest to heal up and then counterattacked me with zerglings | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5251 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:37 Turgid wrote: The argument definitely shouldn't be that Idra doesn't UNDERSTAND being aggressive or taking risks, though. Idra on risks: + Show Spoiler + its not cocky, its not arrogant, its not flash losing focus and its not stupid of him to take risks. terran is fragile. playing to minimize losses can work to an extent, if you're good enough. look at all the solid terrans there have been, people like midas and hwasin, theyre ridiculously good. they won, alot. they never won a title. because once you start playing against bisu and jaedong and effort, if you play to not lose you have no chance because that style can be abused very hard. thats why flash has always been able to win, he is one of the best mechanically anyway, but he takes risks. theyre normally very well calculated and based on scouting and knowledge, not pure luck, but they are risks none the less and sometimes that backfires and you look stupid no matter who you are. flash won game 2 cuz he left his base relatively open while mutas are out and goes to pressure effort's third. at that point hes way, way behind and if the attack doesnt go his way hes dead, but if he doesnt do anything with the situation hes in a lot of trouble anyway. so he takes his chance, and it works. game 4, if he just sits back and tries to turtle up effort runs him ragged with muta micro, given how fast mutas come off that build and the setup of fighting spirit. so he pushes out right before mutas will be out to try to pressure, hoping to catch effort off guard and force a sunken or lings, anything to lessen the effect of the mutas. but efforts prepared for this and it doesnt work. in both games hes in a tough situation and takes a risk to try to turn it in his favor. one game he looks great, the other he looks retarded. a more conservative player will sit back and turret up both games, he doesnt run the risk of dying immediately and he doesnt end up looking stupid and getting criticized. but hes never gonna win a starleague. That spoilered quote is pretty interesting... Idra honoring aggressive tactics as necessary risks to be a true champion. If zerg's early aggresive options were more appealing Idra would probably incorportate them more often | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:20 AndAgain wrote: Unpredictability is a good quality in and of itself. That's something that Idra doesn't understand and never ever will. Hey, cheap shots for everyone! Also you're a moron. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:52 jarhead271 wrote: Damn I missed the matches tonight. I'll def be checking out the vods though. I was pretty happy/surpirsed at the results. Since I didn't see the matches I can't comment much, but a nagging feeling in the back of my mind has been that the Koreans have not been taking NASL 100% seriously. Seeing July and Ensnare 2-0 their opponents tonight gives me hope that this will be a world-wide, super-competitive league. We are only in week three, but when this hits week 7 I think NASL is going to explode into something NA has yet to see. And after season 1 finals, I know I'm going to be super pumped about what season two will bring. ... There is $50,000 on the line... they aren't treating it like some random ladder match... | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On April 29 2011 12:19 On_Slaught wrote: The two games Darkforce won were domination. Its a wonder he went 7pool (pretty sure it was 7) in game 2 when it really seemed like he hadn't practiced it. i had played like ~20 games of 6 pool on terminus re against my practise partner. he reacted slighty different to it though, my practise partner build his pylon on the side of the mineralline facing the natural (so he can slide when i attack the pylon), so when i saw that his pylon is on the other side, i was not sure whether i should go around and start attacking the pylon (then he has nothing to slide through, but i lose some time) or whether its good enough to just kill some probes. had i scouted his proxy quicker i think i would have been fine. in practise it was enough to kill a couple of probes and then just kill pylon and forge at the lowground and go from there. also it was a 6 pool. 7 pool comes alot later and does like no damage on cross position. to the other people talking about how good muta vs P is: its mostly good against people who have not practised against it much, if the opponent doesnt get thrown off as hard as TT1 and has a good plan against it, it does not work out very well, thats why i dont use it that often anymore (i used to play for basetrade in >50% of my ZvP). | ||
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
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dementrio
678 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:33 Harrow wrote: I don't think you've been keeping up with Idra's recent play. I think he's added a roach ling timing attacking against P and it's working for him, but this is something Koreans have been doing for a while. He's still a boorish player to watch though. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On April 29 2011 13:52 jarhead271 wrote: Damn I missed the matches tonight. I'll def be checking out the vods though. I was pretty happy/surpirsed at the results. Since I didn't see the matches I can't comment much, but a nagging feeling in the back of my mind has been that the Koreans have not been taking NASL 100% seriously. Seeing July and Ensnare 2-0 their opponents tonight gives me hope that this will be a world-wide, super-competitive league. We are only in week three, but when this hits week 7 I think NASL is going to explode into something NA has yet to see. And after season 1 finals, I know I'm going to be super pumped about what season two will bring. Your comment cannot be more insulting to the players, korean or non-korean alike. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
 And fuck yeah TT1, ba ha ha. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On April 29 2011 22:45 s4life wrote: I think he's added a roach ling timing attacking against P and it's working for him, but this is something Koreans have been doing for a while. He's still a boorish player to watch though. He's doing baneling drops, both on army an as multi pronged attacks. He uses infestors quite nicely in some games, he tried a 9 pool in one of the games I watched. And that was from a few hours one day of watching his stream. He's about as creative as the large majority of top zerg players. If that makes him boring to you I just think you find zergs in general boring or are extreemly picky. | ||
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GxZ
United States375 Posts
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
July vs MVP ro8 GSL WC. MVP punished him when he failed. | ||
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