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Darathor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States327 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1401
InControl dares to speak out of turn! However, the Emperor forgives you
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1402
On April 25 2011 12:50 Rhyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 12:47 Scribble wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:44 Azarkon wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:42 Scribble wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:41 Rhyme wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:38 RajaF wrote:
That was pretty stupid from Cloud. He know there are infestors out and he clumps all his marines into one big "please fungal us now" ball.


there's nothing you can do against muta/ling/infestor/broodlord without vikings, tbh. it was over regardless of how he microd


He could absolutely have spread his marines manually. This is why I don't get the "It's just better to deathball in SC2" attitude.


You could but you have to focus fire the Broods, and not just with 1-2 marines but with a whole group of marines. This tends to clump them back up.


That's the tendency, yes. My point is that with better manual control he could have kept them spread while focusing the broods and taken minimal damage from fungals. I'm not saying this is the level every player is or should be at right now, but I wanted to point this out because things like this are where the game should be eventually and there are a large number of people here who believe that deathballing is just more viable than small manually controlled groups in SC2, and I think that situation was evidence to the contrary.


here's one problem you have to think about though: speedlings are at their most effective when marines are split (ie no deathball), so you're sorta in a ctach-22 as terran in that situation.

split your marines and avoid some huge fungals, but get flooded by speedlings
don't split your marines, and be able to stutter step against speedlings, but get fungal'd instead.

the only answer is to have vikings, honestly.


I just found out that PDD apparently blocks 20 broodlings per cast. 2-3 ravens could produce some really interesting results, but between broods/mutas and even some fungals/NPs it might not be a viable tactic. I'd still love to see someone experiment with that.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1403
That army sacrifice just lost Boxer the game, I think
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1404
oh no boxer beware the banes!!!
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1405
Sen going for a baneling bust.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1406
On April 25 2011 12:53 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 12:49 emecee wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:47 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:43 Ezekyle wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:35 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:33 Whole wrote:
i'm so proud to be IdrA's #1 fan.


Meh, I don't know how you can be a '#1 fan' of someone who rages like a little child.

I'm not a idrA hater, just a casual player. It's an observation anyone make.

If you don't get pissed off when you lose you don't care enough.

LOL, is that what idrA said? xD You really ate it up huh?

I'd give him credit if he was at least CONSISTENT with his BM. He only BMs to those who he thinks less of. And he's scared to BM to others who's more established than him.

on topic: gj idra, cloud was terribly outmatched.

??????
are you serious? of course he only BMs people who are worse than him because he thinks they are bad and do coinflip builds. he dosent BM people who are better than him because he respects them.

Who did he say he respects in current SC2 players?

I never believed in 'bad / coinflip builds'. I also never liked the label 'cheese' (I intend on make a thread on this actually).

The game has its design. Within that anything goes. Who says you have to play it a certain way? What right do you have to get mad at someone for beating your predictable strat?

It's no better than the old SC1 bnet days: "NO RUSH 20 MINS KK?"


He respects a lot of high-level players, but only the ones who don't have a reputation for cheesing or going all-in frequently.

Not sure why you don't believe in coinflip builds, they definitely do exist and they're a risk like any other. Command Center first against Zerg without scouting is pretty much a coinflip. He's hoping that IdrA is cross positions or is dead-set on playing a macro game, and neither were true.

Cheese is just a term for a risky strategy that relies on your opponent's lack of scouting to be really successful. It has its place in tournaments since it can be an easy way to take a game off of your opponent, but don't kid yourself and think that the better player always wins when cheese is involved. There is a reason players get mad when they are cheesed and why nobody has respect for players that cheese/all-in more often than they should.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1407
DAMNIT SEN. He's trying to demoralize the god emperor.
rip passion
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2011 03:57 GMT
#1408
I kept wondering if he was refering to the xelnaga throughout that battle >.<
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1409
lol is every Zerg going to win today?
MKP||TSL
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1410
GG, Baneling bust takes the win easily.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1411
That was... rough. Boxer had a quick marine push which was completely stopped into a baneling counter which straight up ended the game. That wasn't very close.
ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1412
nice move sen
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1413
wtf is with this music
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1414
On April 25 2011 12:56 ct2299 wrote:
If this was the world of finance or pretty much any other actual job, the editor for NASL would have been fired already for his poor job of checking player names and such.

Each small mistake builds up and leaves a bad taste in the viewership's mouth.


In some of the more sensitive viewership. I could not care less if the picture they showed was of ren and stimpy as long as the game is casted properly.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1415
Poor BoxeR. Good attack by Sen. Great response to destroying the early group of marines.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
RaneStari
Profile Joined October 2010
United States116 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1416
Ouch. Boxer committed too hard with those marines.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1417
Very smart play to counter with that Bling bust. Shame the game was too short, but it was intelligent.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1418
That counter-attack was very effective. Good decision making, GG.
o choro é livre
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1419
On April 25 2011 12:53 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 12:49 emecee wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:47 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:43 Ezekyle wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:35 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:33 Whole wrote:
i'm so proud to be IdrA's #1 fan.


Meh, I don't know how you can be a '#1 fan' of someone who rages like a little child.

I'm not a idrA hater, just a casual player. It's an observation anyone make.

If you don't get pissed off when you lose you don't care enough.

LOL, is that what idrA said? xD You really ate it up huh?

I'd give him credit if he was at least CONSISTENT with his BM. He only BMs to those who he thinks less of. And he's scared to BM to others who's more established than him.

on topic: gj idra, cloud was terribly outmatched.

??????
are you serious? of course he only BMs people who are worse than him because he thinks they are bad and do coinflip builds. he dosent BM people who are better than him because he respects them.

Who did he say he respects in current SC2 players?

I never believed in 'bad / coinflip builds'. I also never liked the label 'cheese' (I intend on make a thread on this actually).

The game has its design. Within that anything goes. Who says you have to play it a certain way? What right do you have to get mad at someone for beating your predictable strat?

It's no better than the old SC1 bnet days: "NO RUSH 20 MINS KK?"

boxer
tyler
mvp
kiwikaki
skew
nada
sen
sheth
machine
artosis
genius (I think)
mondragon
nestea
incontrol
gretorp (I think)
ret
jinro
day[9] (even though he doesnt really play anymore)

to name a few. Basically most people who were good at BW and then some.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
April 25 2011 03:58 GMT
#1420
supply depot wall
How do you mine minerals?
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