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LightWireEX
Profile Joined September 2010
United States387 Posts
April 17 2011 04:01 GMT
#1841
On April 17 2011 13:00 fush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 12:50 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:48 fush wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:45 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:44 ziggurat wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:43 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:42 jester- wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:41 LightWireEX wrote:
wow, im seriously going to stop watching nasl because of the damn commercials.


The NASL exists because of those commercials. Don't watch if you don't like it, no one cares to hear your whining.



I wouldn't mind the commercials if every single time I saw the damn Olive Garden commercial my sound didn't cut out 100%. I have to get off my couch walk over to the computer and manually fix it. It's not pleasant.


"I have to get off my couch ... it's not pleasant." lol



It's not. I'm usually exhausted by this time on the verge of passing out and it just gets me grumpy when I can't relax and tune out and watch some starcraft.


i can't believe it. you're actually serious. holy shit. you're actually complaining about getting off your ass to close an advertisement on a stream that you're not paying for.




it's not closing the fucking advertisement that im mad about dipshit. it messes up my entire sound, so i have to manually fix it after every commercial. it's frustrating getting up fixing the sound and then laying back down just to have another olive garden advertisement pop up. read my fucking post.


ok, change the part about closing the advertisement in my original post and replace it with whatever the hell you have to do. does it make it any less pathetic that you're complaining?



shut the fuck up

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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
April 17 2011 04:01 GMT
#1842
Also it's very easy for people to dodge the ads, so they really can't ruin the viewing experience or people will just do that(or stop watching). I think most people just don't like it breaking their game up, rather having ads between games and/or series, which personally I feel isn't a big request. That being said, like people have mentioned it might be outside NASL control and up to j.tv...
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
April 17 2011 04:05 GMT
#1843
On April 17 2011 12:58 Bear4188 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 12:56 Jman5 wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:43 fush wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:41 LightWireEX wrote:
wow, im seriously going to stop watching nasl because of the damn commercials.


for $25 you don't have to deal with them if they're such a hardship for you. remind me how much you're paying for this service again?

On April 17 2011 12:43 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:42 jester- wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:41 LightWireEX wrote:
wow, im seriously going to stop watching nasl because of the damn commercials.


The NASL exists because of those commercials. Don't watch if you don't like it, no one cares to hear your whining.



I wouldn't mind the commercials if every single time I saw the damn Olive Garden commercial my sound didn't cut out 100%. I have to get off my couch walk over to the computer and manually fix it. It's not pleasant.


sounds like you have a tough life.


This is a perfectly legitimate concern if commercials are screwing up his settings or activating during the matches. We're not second class citizens just because we didn't pay the $25. We are allowed to have opinions.

It seems like NASL needs to work closer with Justin.tv to iron out some of these commercial issues a lot of players are having. One idea is to edit in "tv timeouts" right before a match starts. Either way, it's clear they care a lot about feedback and improving the quality of the show. I'm confident that they are going to figure out a better way to implement commercials.


TV timeouts mean the people who paid are getting dead air. The simple fact of the matter is the free stream is a lower quality viewing experience. That makes total sense to me.


I think there is a difference between lower quality and frustrating quality. You could fill that "dead air" with a thousand and one things for the paying viewers. You could even package it as bonus content.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
April 17 2011 04:07 GMT
#1844
On April 17 2011 13:05 Jman5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 12:58 Bear4188 wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:56 Jman5 wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:43 fush wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:41 LightWireEX wrote:
wow, im seriously going to stop watching nasl because of the damn commercials.


for $25 you don't have to deal with them if they're such a hardship for you. remind me how much you're paying for this service again?

On April 17 2011 12:43 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:42 jester- wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:41 LightWireEX wrote:
wow, im seriously going to stop watching nasl because of the damn commercials.


The NASL exists because of those commercials. Don't watch if you don't like it, no one cares to hear your whining.



I wouldn't mind the commercials if every single time I saw the damn Olive Garden commercial my sound didn't cut out 100%. I have to get off my couch walk over to the computer and manually fix it. It's not pleasant.


sounds like you have a tough life.


This is a perfectly legitimate concern if commercials are screwing up his settings or activating during the matches. We're not second class citizens just because we didn't pay the $25. We are allowed to have opinions.

It seems like NASL needs to work closer with Justin.tv to iron out some of these commercial issues a lot of players are having. One idea is to edit in "tv timeouts" right before a match starts. Either way, it's clear they care a lot about feedback and improving the quality of the show. I'm confident that they are going to figure out a better way to implement commercials.


TV timeouts mean the people who paid are getting dead air. The simple fact of the matter is the free stream is a lower quality viewing experience. That makes total sense to me.


I think there is a difference between lower quality and frustrating quality. You could fill that "dead air" with a thousand and one things for the paying viewers. You could even package it as bonus content.


Currently they seem to be trying to time them during player interviews and between-game analysis. People are complaining that they aren't getting that content. Any other content that the paid viewers get exclusive access to will also be complained about.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
April 17 2011 04:09 GMT
#1845
Didn't watch many of the games, was sort-of just switching back-and-forth between them. I did watch all of the Diggity-casted games. I can't wait for tomorrow!
Mashes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada441 Posts
April 17 2011 04:22 GMT
#1846
staaaalife!!
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
BBV
Profile Joined January 2010
213 Posts
April 17 2011 04:24 GMT
#1847
ret~ fighting!
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
April 17 2011 04:29 GMT
#1848
On April 17 2011 13:00 fush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 12:50 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:48 fush wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:45 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:44 ziggurat wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:43 LightWireEX wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:42 jester- wrote:
On April 17 2011 12:41 LightWireEX wrote:
wow, im seriously going to stop watching nasl because of the damn commercials.


The NASL exists because of those commercials. Don't watch if you don't like it, no one cares to hear your whining.



I wouldn't mind the commercials if every single time I saw the damn Olive Garden commercial my sound didn't cut out 100%. I have to get off my couch walk over to the computer and manually fix it. It's not pleasant.


"I have to get off my couch ... it's not pleasant." lol



It's not. I'm usually exhausted by this time on the verge of passing out and it just gets me grumpy when I can't relax and tune out and watch some starcraft.


i can't believe it. you're actually serious. holy shit. you're actually complaining about getting off your ass to close an advertisement on a stream that you're not paying for.




it's not closing the fucking advertisement that im mad about dipshit. it messes up my entire sound, so i have to manually fix it after every commercial. it's frustrating getting up fixing the sound and then laying back down just to have another olive garden advertisement pop up. read my fucking post.


ok, change the part about closing the advertisement in my original post and replace it with whatever the hell you have to do. does it make it any less pathetic that you're complaining?


You know i had a remote control TV in a broke ass post-soviet country way back in the 90s.

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Gijian
Profile Joined February 2011
United States273 Posts
April 17 2011 05:21 GMT
#1849
I lost a lot of interest in watching the NASL. I feel like I'm not the only one either. I notice a drastic drop in viewer count vs. the first day it aired. As for me though, I'm not discouraged at the commercial or streaming technicality but rather I feel a lacking sensation of a live presence. What makes GSL so great is the fact that all the players are presented and playing at the time of the live stream as well as the actual LIVE commentators. For some reason, I totally thought NASL going to have all players present at an area and have the match aired like that of GSL, but apparently, the whole thing is prerecorded with a non-existence competitive atmosphere. Since the thing isn't even "technically" live it's almost better off to get more audiences as well as less technical problems by posting it on youtube.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 05:44:13
April 17 2011 05:43 GMT
#1850
On April 17 2011 14:21 Gijian wrote:
I lost a lot of interest in watching the NASL. I feel like I'm not the only one either. I notice a drastic drop in viewer count vs. the first day it aired. As for me though, I'm not discouraged at the commercial or streaming technicality but rather I feel a lacking sensation of a live presence. What makes GSL so great is the fact that all the players are presented and playing at the time of the live stream as well as the actual LIVE commentators. For some reason, I totally thought NASL going to have all players present at an area and have the match aired like that of GSL, but apparently, the whole thing is prerecorded with a non-existence competitive atmosphere. Since the thing isn't even "technically" live it's almost better off to get more audiences as well as less technical problems by posting it on youtube.


- Drastic drop is probably because it is the weekend.
- The TSL isn't Live either but that is great to watch, the atmosphere is there.
- NASL broadcast virtually everyday, it would be near impossible to try organize 50 different players from around the world to show up every week
luftrofl
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 05:50:37
April 17 2011 05:49 GMT
#1851
On April 17 2011 14:21 Gijian wrote:
I lost a lot of interest in watching the NASL. I feel like I'm not the only one either. I notice a drastic drop in viewer count vs. the first day it aired. As for me though, I'm not discouraged at the commercial or streaming technicality but rather I feel a lacking sensation of a live presence. What makes GSL so great is the fact that all the players are presented and playing at the time of the live stream as well as the actual LIVE commentators. For some reason, I totally thought NASL going to have all players present at an area and have the match aired like that of GSL, but apparently, the whole thing is prerecorded with a non-existence competitive atmosphere. Since the thing isn't even "technically" live it's almost better off to get more audiences as well as less technical problems by posting it on youtube.


Yeah, I sorta feel the same way. I was hoping it would be similar to the GSL but in my timezone... but today IdrA's stream had more viewers and I'm starting to see why. =/

Plus, TSL just outclasses NASL on so many levels and most people don't want to sit around watching SC2 all day.
I play random so I can blame my losses as being off-race... ;)
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
April 17 2011 05:54 GMT
#1852
On April 17 2011 14:49 luftrofl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 14:21 Gijian wrote:
I lost a lot of interest in watching the NASL. I feel like I'm not the only one either. I notice a drastic drop in viewer count vs. the first day it aired. As for me though, I'm not discouraged at the commercial or streaming technicality but rather I feel a lacking sensation of a live presence. What makes GSL so great is the fact that all the players are presented and playing at the time of the live stream as well as the actual LIVE commentators. For some reason, I totally thought NASL going to have all players present at an area and have the match aired like that of GSL, but apparently, the whole thing is prerecorded with a non-existence competitive atmosphere. Since the thing isn't even "technically" live it's almost better off to get more audiences as well as less technical problems by posting it on youtube.


Yeah, I sorta feel the same way. I was hoping it would be similar to the GSL but in my timezone... but today IdrA's stream had more viewers and I'm starting to see why. =/

Plus, TSL just outclasses NASL on so many levels and most people don't want to sit around watching SC2 all day.


Wait, idra's stream broke 12k viewers? Wtf? O.o
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Debonair
Profile Joined October 2010
United States146 Posts
April 17 2011 06:07 GMT
#1853
On April 17 2011 14:54 Oreo7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 14:49 luftrofl wrote:
On April 17 2011 14:21 Gijian wrote:
I lost a lot of interest in watching the NASL. I feel like I'm not the only one either. I notice a drastic drop in viewer count vs. the first day it aired. As for me though, I'm not discouraged at the commercial or streaming technicality but rather I feel a lacking sensation of a live presence. What makes GSL so great is the fact that all the players are presented and playing at the time of the live stream as well as the actual LIVE commentators. For some reason, I totally thought NASL going to have all players present at an area and have the match aired like that of GSL, but apparently, the whole thing is prerecorded with a non-existence competitive atmosphere. Since the thing isn't even "technically" live it's almost better off to get more audiences as well as less technical problems by posting it on youtube.


Yeah, I sorta feel the same way. I was hoping it would be similar to the GSL but in my timezone... but today IdrA's stream had more viewers and I'm starting to see why. =/

Plus, TSL just outclasses NASL on so many levels and most people don't want to sit around watching SC2 all day.


Wait, idra's stream broke 12k viewers? Wtf? O.o

During the entire time IdrA was streaming he had a lead on viewers. The closest I saw the viewer numbers was 8700ish to 8k.
Then IdrA's stream crashed a couple of times and he left soon thereafter - this is when NASL reached the 12k you're talking about.
BluePabs
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
April 17 2011 06:20 GMT
#1854
All this talk about viewership dropping...it's also saturday. People are out doing stuff on the weekend. Normally during the weekdays after work and school people have no plans and will tune in.
Debonair
Profile Joined October 2010
United States146 Posts
April 17 2011 06:24 GMT
#1855
On April 17 2011 15:20 BluePabs wrote:
All this talk about viewership dropping...it's also saturday. People are out doing stuff on the weekend. Normally during the weekdays after work and school people have no plans and will tune in.

Not only that but this is only ro16 and the best match of the day ended up being a walkover.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
April 17 2011 06:37 GMT
#1856
On April 17 2011 15:24 Debonair wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 15:20 BluePabs wrote:
All this talk about viewership dropping...it's also saturday. People are out doing stuff on the weekend. Normally during the weekdays after work and school people have no plans and will tune in.

Not only that but this is only ro16 and the best match of the day ended up being a walkover.


This isn't the round of 16, it's the first round for the 10-player round robin for the 4th group.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
luftrofl
Profile Joined November 2010
United States27 Posts
April 17 2011 07:08 GMT
#1857
On April 17 2011 15:20 BluePabs wrote:
All this talk about viewership dropping...it's also saturday. People are out doing stuff on the weekend. Normally during the weekdays after work and school people have no plans and will tune in.


I'd be interested to see the stats for that. (Link please!) I think your argument makes sense but I can't be sure of the exact effect of this.

However, it doesn't account for IdrA (emphasis on the fact that this is ONE player) having more viewers than NASL which IMO is far more interesting and telling of NASL's quality compared to say, GSL & TSL (basically an online GSL, which speaks a lot to the guys behind it).
I play random so I can blame my losses as being off-race... ;)
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 07:17:23
April 17 2011 07:15 GMT
#1858
I think the biggest problem is that its too long and too big right now.

Like knowing that its going to last 3 months and that these first 2 months are barely important, really deters from the event and removes a lot of the fun factor.

I mean people want to see important matches that mean something, fighting for big money so everything is on the line, but knowing these matches are sort of a prequel to the main thing is kind of ruining the fun.

Also since its not live and over the internet having absolutely nothing interesting to show or talk about between the matches really hurts the experience.

Also there needs to be some kind of graphics, like show a graphic of the bracket, show a graphic of the players, show a graphic of the map, etc...

I mean they should have probably started with a smaller prize pool, something like 30k and use more resources into production and build from there.

I mean I really want to support e-sports, but this is not the way you do stuff, you don't go from 400.000 dollars prize pool to 150.000 and no production. You really need to start small and build up.

Also people were expecting a lot more, $400.000 prize pool and people were 100% sure its going to be a really professional, really great production with everything in perfect order.
And people have every right to think that way, because they advertised it as such and they failed.
Ruseter
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada17 Posts
April 17 2011 07:34 GMT
#1859
Let's not go crazy about the viewership right now. With five nights a week and five bo3s, it's only fair to assume the viewership won't be insane every night. I have a feeling that when the top16 final is broadcast it will seem much more epic and exciting to everyone. They're doing a great job at providing a lot of sc2 content for anyone who wants to watch it. With all the games and all the players, you can pretty much pick and choose which games/nights you'd like to watch. Also what some people are overlooking, especially the ones who are comparing to dreamhack, is that the time it's being presented is much less ideal for viewership in Europe. The first night of NASL people were making stupid comments about how dreamhack owned NASL viewership. Dreamhack had like 45k viewers and NASL around 25-30k. Dreamhack was a one day event, and during the afternoon in NA, night in EU. Obviously they'll get more viewership..
Me1234
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 07:49:59
April 17 2011 07:49 GMT
#1860
I noticed that It's not running smoothly for me, even when watching VODs, am I the only one with that problem? I made a short video and put it on youtube:



just look how the probes move. VOD and livestream, same problem for me.

please let me know if i'm the only one with that problem and how I can change that.
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