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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 17 2011 11:22 GMT
#1881
[B]On April 17 2011 17:15 Lightwish01 wrote:



Some Interesting Info:

- Is it just coincidence that the 3 biggest players in the tournament so far have missed their play times? White-Ra, OGSMC, Naniwa all missed there games. Is this coincidence or is there something organized behind the scenes to make sure NASL has troubles?




its like, some kind of evil european organisation is inviting all the players off to something else at the same time :O

CONSPIRACY?!?!
damorphy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands78 Posts
April 17 2011 11:25 GMT
#1882
On April 17 2011 19:56 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 17:15 Lightwish01 wrote:

Some Interesting Info:

- Is it just coincidence that the 3 biggest players in the tournament so far have missed their play times? White-Ra, OGSMC, Naniwa all missed there games. Is this coincidence or is there something organized behind the scenes to make sure NASL has troubles?



You can not be serious...


Well maybe if they had decent price money, the top players would care more... Oh Wait .

Oh it's ON !
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 11:29:46
April 17 2011 11:29 GMT
#1883
On April 17 2011 19:19 Trowa127 wrote:
I really don't understand the NASL whine in these threads. I paid the $25, thats like two hours work and I get 3 months worth of sick Starcraft games. The Nada games were awesome, well worth the money. Considering SC2 tournaments on this scale are still fairly new, I'd think the community would have a bit more patience, but I was wrong, which is disgusting considering 99% of people are watching a free stream. It actually makes me really sad to see the way people react to problems which are largely out of the control of the NASL, like player scheduling issues.

I'm not a big complainer, but this post prompted my reaction. Just FYI, I've paid 25 bucks for the VODs, and I'm one of those people who are willing to give the NASL a chance and I'm actually HOPING that it will succeed. However, I think that the biggest issue is not just about scheduling issues. It's about how screwed up the NASL has been since Day 1 (being the first day it was announced), when compared to leagues like GSL and TSL.

They've been plagued with controversy since they first arrived on the scene and while they've made many corrections to their mistakes, they are just making far too many for people not to be disappointed.

Speaking of which, it's beyond me how they couldn't foresee scheduling issues to be a problem especially given the multiple regions involved in the games and the many different LANs within the 3 months of tournament (it's ironic considering they were so quick to "foresee" that Demuslim might have trouble playing due to his injury, but couldn't foresee these). There are alternatives for NASL with regards to scheduling, (ie casting from replays, postponing games till another day - if players have valid reasons, not broadcasting some games). The fact that a game is pretty much cancelled just because NASL have a fixed broadcasting schedule is a little bit disappointing. It again goes back to planning, they should have foreseen these events and made contingencies for such a scenario where it is beyond their or the players control.

As for broadcasting issues. As many people have already mentioned, comparing the NASL which charges for content, and TSL which is pretty much free, the broadcasts have been absolutely poor. Yeah you can probably blame the poor production value and terrible commentary on inexperience, but I simply cannot accept the fact that I paid $25 and I'm getting choppy VODs, terrible sound quality and difficulty watching matches because of the high gamma settings on the graphics. Not only that, some of the VODs from a couple of days ago seem to be missing or are difficult to find. This is honestly unacceptable. TSL gets theirs up within 10-12 hours of the matches, and cut and edited perfectly. GOM gets theirs up within 8 hours, but usually less. Yeah, sure the recordings are on the justin.tv archives, but sifting through the video to look for a match and finding missing games (Catz v Goody game 1 seems to be missing today), is just not what you expect for having to pay $25. And for a league that is trying to pride itself on being the next best thing to the GSL.

I can go on about the mistakes the NASL are making, but I honestly hope that there won't make anymore and start rectifying the mistakes they've made. I think one of the problem they had is that when planning the league, they didn't seem to make much of a community interaction (that player voting thing was a terrible idea of community interaction). Announcements seemed to zip by the community (eg: the fact that the league was delayed 1 week without much of a big announcement + the news of the map pool was only posted on wellplayed.org before finally making its way to a new TL thread a day or so later + no one knowing about the use of old Tal'darim Altar till they played on it).

And this is just a personal opinion, but I really felt the official NASL thread on TL was terribly formatted making it lose so much of its professionalism. Thinking about all the errors they've been making just frustrates and disappoints me. But I'm not going to harp on it. I just felt this needed to be said.

Anyway, with the GSL coming up, I don't think I'll be watching the NASL much. But I'll keep my HD pass and hope to see improvements in the tournament.

TL;DR: While they've been making efforts to improve, the NASL have been making too many mistakes to be considered professional and be worth the $25 that some people have paid for it. They have the potential to be better, but they need to take active steps to plan better and interact with the community better.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
April 17 2011 11:35 GMT
#1884
I do think people are judging this way to quick - this is the group stages. Regarding scheduling problems, why aren't people giving NASL more of a priority in their own schedules? The prize pool is enourmous.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
April 17 2011 12:32 GMT
#1885
On April 17 2011 20:35 Trowa127 wrote:
I do think people are judging this way to quick - this is the group stages. Regarding scheduling problems, why aren't people giving NASL more of a priority in their own schedules? The prize pool is enourmous.

50k over 3 months, some of these other tourneys are 5/10k a weekend/day. These are also just the group games and theirs 9 more chances to perform.
Hi
ttomelle
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden243 Posts
April 17 2011 12:47 GMT
#1886
On April 17 2011 17:23 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 17:15 Lightwish01 wrote:
NASL - I really dont like the German commentator you had for a number of reasons:

1. He was not in studio so it looks un-professional to have an empty seat

2. He is kinda of loud, sometimes inaccurate and overpowers Diggity (Diggity does a great job btw)

Other than that things seem to be improving (I am a paying subscriber) so I hope you will listen to my feedback

Positive feedback:

- Diggity Rocks! Find one more guy that leaves near L.A. that is pro to help commentate, and if there isnt one stick with InControl

- The InControl/Gretorp commentating combo while still raw is getting better, but still not pro


Some Interesting Info:

- Is it just coincidence that the 3 biggest players in the tournament so far have missed their play times? White-Ra, OGSMC, Naniwa all missed there games. Is this coincidence or is there something organized behind the scenes to make sure NASL has troubles?

- Also: NASL you shouldnt listen to prolific complainers unless there is a lot saying the same thing. For the most part it is non-subscribers anyways. OVERALL you are doing a good job!! So keep your chins up!


I think khaldor and diggity is a much better casting combo then INC and gretorp, they did really well today, they have better chemistry then inc and gretorp after casting 1 best of 3 together wich is a bit ridiculous.


i agree as well
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 17 2011 12:51 GMT
#1887
[B]On April 17 2011 17:15 Lightwish01 wrote:



Some Interesting Info:

- Is it just coincidence that the 3 biggest players in the tournament so far have missed their play times? White-Ra, OGSMC, Naniwa all missed there games. Is this coincidence or is there something organized behind the scenes to make sure NASL has troubles?



Whitera and MC both missed their games because of dreamhack...white ra couldn't ply cause he was stil at the venue and MC's plane was delayed. Jinro even posted about the plane being delayed. Seriously wtf can we start banning stupid comments like this?
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
raist
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada90 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 13:18:13
April 17 2011 13:12 GMT
#1888
Maybe the NASL should just cut their losses, pack up and give up on the league. It sure seems that's what everyone wants.


This community has got to be the worst of any other gaming community and is only gonna shoot themselves in the foot. Everyone says hey want e-sports to thrive in NA yet it never will because most of you will never give it a chance. This community is gonna be the death of north american e-sports (for SC2anyways) not some league that has a few minor issues that will be resolved no doubt.

I pray you will all get what you ask for and end up watching small shit no name tourneys with a $200.00 prize pool, with a few larger ones sprinkled in on the weekend which is taped from some dudes webcam

It's been fun TL.net but I can't stand to come here no more, even most of your team members don't even want to come to this site because of all the garbage that is posted here
Go Jinro!!
ultramafia
Profile Joined August 2010
221 Posts
April 17 2011 13:18 GMT
#1889
I've been waiting for something like NASL for 10 years. Def. some kinks to work out but i'm on cloud 9. Its been 4 days and has already produced some pretty great games (nada...) kinks will get figured out. <3 NASL...
毒爆虫 | CJ Entus fight
Ohdamn
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 16:19:17
April 17 2011 16:18 GMT
#1890
no restream today? or did i miss something
edit: nvm stream didn't work
"If you can chill....chill!"
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 16:24:12
April 17 2011 16:21 GMT
#1891
On April 17 2011 20:22 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On April 17 2011 17:15 Lightwish01 wrote:



Some Interesting Info:

- Is it just coincidence that the 3 biggest players in the tournament so far have missed their play times? White-Ra, OGSMC, Naniwa all missed there games. Is this coincidence or is there something organized behind the scenes to make sure NASL has troubles?




its like, some kind of evil european organisation is inviting all the players off to something else at the same time :O

CONSPIRACY?!?!


That conspiracy is called Dreamhack Invitational. White-Ra and MC was playing in the finals while NaNiwa was in attendance. White-Ra couldn't play since he makes the finals, MC got stuck in the airport on the return trip, and NaNiwa came home too late from the event.
Thank God and gunrun.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 17 2011 16:21 GMT
#1892
Wooop. Can't wait to watch Restream :D. Sounds like there were some good games from Recommended section .
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
April 17 2011 16:22 GMT
#1893
On April 17 2011 21:47 ttomelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 17:23 Executor1 wrote:
On April 17 2011 17:15 Lightwish01 wrote:
NASL - I really dont like the German commentator you had for a number of reasons:

1. He was not in studio so it looks un-professional to have an empty seat

2. He is kinda of loud, sometimes inaccurate and overpowers Diggity (Diggity does a great job btw)

Other than that things seem to be improving (I am a paying subscriber) so I hope you will listen to my feedback

Positive feedback:

- Diggity Rocks! Find one more guy that leaves near L.A. that is pro to help commentate, and if there isnt one stick with InControl

- The InControl/Gretorp commentating combo while still raw is getting better, but still not pro


Some Interesting Info:

- Is it just coincidence that the 3 biggest players in the tournament so far have missed their play times? White-Ra, OGSMC, Naniwa all missed there games. Is this coincidence or is there something organized behind the scenes to make sure NASL has troubles?

- Also: NASL you shouldnt listen to prolific complainers unless there is a lot saying the same thing. For the most part it is non-subscribers anyways. OVERALL you are doing a good job!! So keep your chins up!


I think khaldor and diggity is a much better casting combo then INC and gretorp, they did really well today, they have better chemistry then inc and gretorp after casting 1 best of 3 together wich is a bit ridiculous.


i agree as well


Well Diggity and Khaldor are very experienced casters. Honestly they need to hire Diggity or something.
Saiwa
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany789 Posts
April 17 2011 16:39 GMT
#1894
Stream started !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM_P7eLbY48&feature=player_detailpage#t=359s YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO ME CLIDE ! Artosis
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
April 17 2011 16:55 GMT
#1895
Hey NASL. You can check on Brat_OK's pronunciation in his application video.
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
April 17 2011 17:01 GMT
#1896
Is it only me or had Ret gotten really really bad? O.o
He is so underperforming and just plays plain stupid lately, like when he was agaisnt Naniwa at TSL3 and now its NASL first round... nah I cant support that kinda player anymore! Sorry ret!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
April 17 2011 17:05 GMT
#1897
LOL that girl is looking so scared of SeleCT!
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
April 17 2011 17:05 GMT
#1898
Who's that inverviewer chick and what is her number ?!@?
Yeah, whatever
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 17 2011 17:05 GMT
#1899
heeeeeey cutiepie!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
April 17 2011 17:05 GMT
#1900
random girl interviewer
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