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Calgary26004 Posts
On April 10 2011 06:35 Skank wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:31 ReTr0[p.S] wrote:On April 10 2011 06:19 s4life wrote:On April 10 2011 06:13 maliceee wrote:
Idra's prediction when finding out they were both on KR server=so right I cry.
Tyler's fine, its just a slump, people overreact over a two week period. Problem is Tyler's been in a slump since the beta started.. dunno people says it's because he WOWs too much... I think it's just because there is a lot more competition in SC2 as opposed to SC1. In other words, overrated.. he's still a fine fellow though, very likable guy. What? SC2 has more competition than SC1? SC2 is still a game of luck in most cases, nothing compared to SC1. SC2 tournaments have way more prize money than SC1 tournaments ever did. Fact. And seriously? Luck? Take your baseless hate and BW elitism somewhere else.
Luck isn't the right word - his intention was that BW build orders were much more mapped out and known, and he's correct in that assessment. It's not BW elitism.
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On April 10 2011 06:23 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:19 BryanSC wrote:On April 10 2011 06:16 s4life wrote:On April 10 2011 06:13 BryanSC wrote:On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories? What do you mean destroying SC1 players in every tournament? Naniwa is the only one to have won a major tournament, the other guys haven't done much. Holler. Kas hasn't done much? inform yourself before posting please. Kiwi lost to Naniwa but no other player in the MLG.. Happy just transitioned to SC2 a month ago but looks promising with a 94% w.r. and #1 spot in the global ranks Actually no, inform yourself please. Kas has no major win in any tournament, and if you're counting Go4SC2 as a major victory, then I don't know what to tell you. He wins almost every tournament he gets invited to.. just look at his stats, it's not his fault he can't travel to US and compete in LAN tournaments.. but what is your point? is there a better terran in europe at the moment? Kas and Thorzain are a clear cut above everyone else.
If you say so. GG man. 4 gate is besty.
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I really hope the Liquid players can get out of their slump soon. :< We all know they're much more gosu then they've been showing! Get the drive to win back!!
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On April 10 2011 06:30 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:29 shaman6ix wrote:
man it seems these days everything else than a clean-cut ''gg'' is BM or QQ. i feel bad for you haters. Except WhiteRa confirmed that his 4gate comment against San was sarcastic in an interview. Why should his 4gate comment against MC be any different?
how can whitera be sarcastic in game 3 about MC 4gating when he did 4gate in games 1 and 2?
i dont understand
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On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories?
I think mayyybe the BW players are trying to play this like BW, but in fact SC2 rewards more creative play over mechanical. And WC3 was a game that has been associated with needing to have creative and smart game plans over macro mechanics. But thats more my opinion than any kind of fact.
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I'm a new, and a very big noob when it comes to TSL, will/are there Vods up for these matches? Would love to watch oGsMC. Wasn't able to watch it live.
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On April 10 2011 06:38 danielsan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:19 Me1234 wrote:On April 10 2011 06:03 Qaatar wrote:
The second series had an expected result. Ra hasn't done anything in Korea other than getting owned left and right by all three races. His form just isn't good right now imo.
I'm shocked at Nony's performance, however, especially given the fact that he plays P, and PvT is a good match-up for him (see his previous games against Strelok).
As for those saying Thorzain has any chance against MC - sure he does, but MC after his poor performance in the FXOpen has tweeted that he's taking foreigners much more seriously, so I doubt there will be an element of surprise anymore. Those who think otherwise are misinformed. whaaat?? seeing that white-ra managed to win a game in the teamleague in korea, I had hope he could at least win some maps or even win but it was pretty much obvious that thorzain could defeat tyler easily. his win vs MC was 100% incidental.
I think that is not giving White-Ra enough credit. His win against MC in the team league was not 100% incidental. I like the Korean players, but that is simply not giving White-Ra enough credit.
He caught MC off guard, and did something MC didn't expect (in a PvP). People who think warp prism play was "unknown to MC" simply have not watched MC games because MC has used warp prisms in more than one occasion in his GSL play.
But after using that "ace" you could say, I think MC expected it a lot more.
I think White-Ra being so unhappy about losing to 4gate is unreasonable. If he truly wants to be a top top top player, he should be able to fend off the 4gate an out micro his opponent. PvP is about as "micro intensive" of a match up as you can get.
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On April 10 2011 06:46 BryanSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:23 s4life wrote:On April 10 2011 06:19 BryanSC wrote:On April 10 2011 06:16 s4life wrote:On April 10 2011 06:13 BryanSC wrote:On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories? What do you mean destroying SC1 players in every tournament? Naniwa is the only one to have won a major tournament, the other guys haven't done much. Holler. Kas hasn't done much? inform yourself before posting please. Kiwi lost to Naniwa but no other player in the MLG.. Happy just transitioned to SC2 a month ago but looks promising with a 94% w.r. and #1 spot in the global ranks Actually no, inform yourself please. Kas has no major win in any tournament, and if you're counting Go4SC2 as a major victory, then I don't know what to tell you. He wins almost every tournament he gets invited to.. just look at his stats, it's not his fault he can't travel to US and compete in LAN tournaments.. but what is your point? is there a better terran in europe at the moment? Kas and Thorzain are a clear cut above everyone else. If you say so. GG man. 4 gate is besty.
What a douche comment... but ok.
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Surprised to read that staff predictions/liquid bets were so much in favor of Tyler, you might have though people would realize by now that Thorzain ain't to be underestimated. The NA server/players are miles behind EU and Korea by now and I expect the skill gap to get even wider. We are 9 million people in Sweden yet we have more top Starcraft 2 players (or equal) compared to USA who has 300 million people.
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On April 10 2011 06:50 shaman6ix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:30 HolyArrow wrote:On April 10 2011 06:29 shaman6ix wrote:
man it seems these days everything else than a clean-cut ''gg'' is BM or QQ. i feel bad for you haters. Except WhiteRa confirmed that his 4gate comment against San was sarcastic in an interview. Why should his 4gate comment against MC be any different? how can whitera be sarcastic in game 3 about MC 4gating when he did 4gate in games 1 and 2? i dont understand
Just like how he was sarcastic in his match against San even though he did a 4gate in game 2.
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On April 10 2011 06:53 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories? I think mayyybe the BW players are trying to play this like BW, but in fact SC2 rewards more creative play over mechanical. And WC3 was a game that has been associated with needing to have creative and smart game plans over macro mechanics. But thats more my opinion than any kind of fact.
for the first time anyone has posted this i think i agree with tyler. It seems like hes treating it like BW where his mechanics were 1.5x as good as most ppl, especially relatively unknowns so he loves going ultra safe builds. The problem is this is sc2 where the gap between top players mechanics is pretty small. I really hate his super early robo build. It puts him slightly behind like 90% of T builds and even with the last 10%, its only advantage is that hes pretty much safe against most things T can throw at him early game. He shouldve definitely done some 1g expos or the alicia 3g attack+expo builds instead of the super early robo -.-
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On April 10 2011 06:44 Me1234 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 06:38 danielsan wrote:On April 10 2011 06:19 Me1234 wrote:On April 10 2011 06:03 Qaatar wrote:
The second series had an expected result. Ra hasn't done anything in Korea other than getting owned left and right by all three races. His form just isn't good right now imo.
I'm shocked at Nony's performance, however, especially given the fact that he plays P, and PvT is a good match-up for him (see his previous games against Strelok).
As for those saying Thorzain has any chance against MC - sure he does, but MC after his poor performance in the FXOpen has tweeted that he's taking foreigners much more seriously, so I doubt there will be an element of surprise anymore. Those who think otherwise are misinformed. whaaat?? seeing that white-ra managed to win a game in the teamleague in korea, I had hope he could at least win some maps or even win but it was pretty much obvious that thorzain could defeat tyler easily. his win vs MC was 100% incidental. of course, it was like MC accidentally writing GG at the beginning and leaving the game seriously, he earned his win against MC in the teamleague, far from 100% incidental
that kind of attitude is never constructive. The only reason W Ra won was because MC thought he's facing a 4 gate and decided to go defensive 4 gate. And it turned you he was defensive 4gating vs a 3 gate robo. instant win.
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On April 10 2011 06:53 AndyBear wrote:
I'm a new, and a very big noob when it comes to TSL, will/are there Vods up for these matches? Would love to watch oGsMC. Wasn't able to watch it live.
http://www.youtube.com/teamliquidnet
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Wow, vods already up. Nice job on that.
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On April 10 2011 06:53 AndyBear wrote:
I'm a new, and a very big noob when it comes to TSL, will/are there Vods up for these matches? Would love to watch oGsMC. Wasn't able to watch it live.
You can find all TSL uploads here http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet and they all ready started uploading today's games so it shouldn't be to long for all of them to be up.
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Does TSL releases replays as well? If so, where can I find them? (preferably as a package, such as "RO32 Pack") Thanks in advance.
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Tylers play is shiite tbh... He has room to bash mc and trickster, tylers strats and micro r crusty and nowhere near the level of the top protoss in the world
User was banned for this post.
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On April 10 2011 07:01 usethis2 wrote:
Does TSL releases replays as well? If so, where can I find them? (preferably as a package, such as "RO32 Pack") Thanks in advance.
they do not release replays.
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On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories?
I think it's because they are practicing harder.
I saw Tyler saying he practices 6 hours a day, idra is also not practicing like he used to do in the CJ house, ret same thing...
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On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories?
WC 3 was actually played professionally, as an eSports, in Europe until recently. BW, at least for the past half a dozen years or so, was not. TL was basically the one site sustaining the entire BW scene and even then it was slim pickings in the foreigner's scene. Foreigner BW players largely spent their time watching Korean pro-gamers and trying to imitate them. It was not considered a viable career unless, like IdrA, you moved to Korea.
This was not true in WC 3. There was a professional scene in WC 3 in Europe and the pro-gamers involved were career gamers. People like Thorzain, Infernal, Happy, Kas, and of course Grubby played at the highest levels of competition internationally, against the best from Korea and China, and were able to hold their own. So the WC 3 players were not only experienced pro-gamers (as opposed to the mostly amateurs and semi-pros who played BW), but they also never took to believing in any sort of Korean invincibility or depended on Koreans for strategies and ideas. They were confident in their own abilities and their own scene, developed their own training techniques, and perhaps these have something to do with why they win.
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