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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
March 25 2011 07:07 GMT
#881
Well with Moon and Ace invited so far it seems the NASL is inviting Koreans based on international experience. Incontrol promised us oGs players so I'm guessing TOP and Inca will be participating since they played at Dreamhack.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
March 25 2011 07:09 GMT
#882
I don't know why people are calling it the "EGSL" or whatever.

There're more ROOT players than EG, I don't think there's much evidence to back these claims of bias.
Doraemon.doraemon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States335 Posts
March 25 2011 07:11 GMT
#883
damn a certain percentage of TL is so elitist and so in love with koreans...

they are somewhat better right now but what's the point of hosting a sc2 league based in california with 90% koreans... eeshh, go watch the gsl...

good list so far... and they should invite all EGs, fnatics, roots etc... support NA clans in the NASL duh!
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
March 25 2011 07:15 GMT
#884
No matter what, there will be bias in the initial season. It is picked by humans after all, and there are a lot of factors that are weighed differently by different people.

However, with so much talent to chose from, you can't go wrong. And where you go wrong, it will be corrected the following season. Fear not Team Liquidians, we will enjoy this!
We talkin about PRACTICE
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 25 2011 07:27 GMT
#885
Groups 4+5 look like Groups of Death. Damn, this league is going to be so good.
Writer@WriterYamato
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
March 25 2011 07:30 GMT
#886
I'm not impressed with Idra and Tyler being in the same group.
I hope this wasn't intentional by NASL.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
March 25 2011 07:31 GMT
#887
I like how people are complaining about groups of death. There is 5 more people to add to each group, and I expect them all to be top class. It is meant to be a competitive tournament, guys.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
March 25 2011 07:31 GMT
#888
Interesting list so far. I don't follow the NA / EU scene much because there aren't as many big tournaments - I watch MLG, IEM, Dreamhack, but those are fairly limited and you don't really get to know the players well, so I'm actually looking forward to seeing some players that I don't know a lot about. I mean, it's the same with GSL or GSTL, right? There are big stars, but then there are relatively unknown players that play great and surprise you, and that's half the fun of watching a tournament.

I wouldn't complain about a lack of "top" Korean invites until they've released the whole list. I do wish they would just release it all at once, though - all this is doing is building speculation, and not much hype imo. I also think some of the complaining in this thread comes from the fact that they billed the NASL as the "best players in the world," right? But it's also an NA-based tournament, which will hopefully help take the NA scene to the next level. Those two goals conflict with each other somewhat, and while both are fine, I think people are just having different expectations. Some want to see the very best (which would presumably include a lot of Koreans) and some want to see a real NA-centric tournament. Either way, I wish they'd just release all the players' names already so we know what's actually going on.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
March 25 2011 07:41 GMT
#889
On March 25 2011 16:07 red4ce wrote:
Well with Moon and Ace invited so far it seems the NASL is inviting Koreans based on international experience. Incontrol promised us oGs players so I'm guessing TOP and Inca will be participating since they played at Dreamhack.


if that is their aproach to koreans, i like it alot

i mean sure we all love MC, MVP ect, but there is other very good koreans players. we will see
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
March 25 2011 07:47 GMT
#890
On March 25 2011 16:11 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
damn a certain percentage of TL is so elitist and so in love with koreans...

they are somewhat better right now but what's the point of hosting a sc2 league based in california with 90% koreans... eeshh, go watch the gsl...

good list so far... and they should invite all EGs, fnatics, roots etc... support NA clans in the NASL duh!


Is it wrong to like . . want to see better games from a spectator's point of view? Clearly, Koreans represent the highest level of skill right now, and a tournament that claims to be of the best players in the world only inviting a handful of lower tier Koreans is a complete joke.
powerade = dragoon blood
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
March 25 2011 07:53 GMT
#891
On March 25 2011 16:47 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 16:11 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
damn a certain percentage of TL is so elitist and so in love with koreans...

they are somewhat better right now but what's the point of hosting a sc2 league based in california with 90% koreans... eeshh, go watch the gsl...

good list so far... and they should invite all EGs, fnatics, roots etc... support NA clans in the NASL duh!


Is it wrong to like . . want to see better games from a spectator's point of view? Clearly, Koreans represent the highest level of skill right now, and a tournament that claims to be of the best players in the world only inviting a handful of lower tier Koreans is a complete joke.


Oh hey, there's already a league exactly like what you described: the GSL.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 07:56:37
March 25 2011 07:53 GMT
#892
Going to be really shame if MC,Nestea,Marineking etc doesn't get in. MMA from Slayers would be a nice add also. IMO 2-4 Koreans from Dreamhack and IEM ain't enough.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
March 25 2011 07:54 GMT
#893
On March 25 2011 16:53 seiferoth10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2011 16:47 chenchen wrote:
On March 25 2011 16:11 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
damn a certain percentage of TL is so elitist and so in love with koreans...

they are somewhat better right now but what's the point of hosting a sc2 league based in california with 90% koreans... eeshh, go watch the gsl...

good list so far... and they should invite all EGs, fnatics, roots etc... support NA clans in the NASL duh!


Is it wrong to like . . want to see better games from a spectator's point of view? Clearly, Koreans represent the highest level of skill right now, and a tournament that claims to be of the best players in the world only inviting a handful of lower tier Koreans is a complete joke.


Oh hey, there's already a league exactly like what you described: the GSL.


Hmm . . good point, I'll go watch that instead.
powerade = dragoon blood
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 25 2011 07:57 GMT
#894
90% koreans... eeshh, go watch the gsl...


where do these retarded claims like "90% Koreans" and "all Koreans" keep coming from...
Wettis
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden20 Posts
March 25 2011 07:59 GMT
#895
I think this looks awesome! Rooting for HayPrO!
"Have a good time, all the time"
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
March 25 2011 08:00 GMT
#896
I'm all for Koreans getting invites, but I'd rather them be dark horses like MMA, Yonghwa, Bomber, and any others who haven't made a splash in the GSL yet. Inviting the same old MC/MVP/MKP/Nestea/etc that we see all the time can get old quickly.
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
March 25 2011 08:03 GMT
#897
the fact that they billed the NASL as the "best players in the world," right?


Seems like they are striving for a combination of best, and interesting as well. There are so many good players out there, it can't be easy and some players will get left out. But they've said they are trying to develop storylines, player back-stories, things like that to help drive this.

And to be honest, I agree with that approach. I don't find watching high level GSL Koreans more entertaining then slightly lower level European or NA play. In fact, sometimes watching Koreans execute perfect builds right back and forth at each other without any creativity is boring. Then you get an interview with a stone faced person who shows no emotion after they win, great. We already have the GSL, if they are going to just do another version of the GSL it won't be as good and we already have that anyway. This needs some features to make it unique, and having to many Koreans that show no emotion regardless of how good they are is not appealing to me. I just want some Koreans mixed in so I can see them get beaten, or at least see how NA/Europe matches up, but having 16 or 20 Koreans with a final 8 being 6 or 7 Korean players? No thanks. Boring.

This is why I've enjoyed the GSTL, the players actually show some personality but that doesn't carry into the GSL. I'm hoping that the NASL has players that will show some personality, speak a language I understand, and offer something a bit different.

xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
March 25 2011 08:13 GMT
#898
As far as I'm concerned, the NASL is and SHOULD BE the NORTH AMERICAN (ok Europe too) STAR LEAGUE. Inviting a few koreans is fine, but the whole point of having a north american star league is so players from NORTH AMERICA compete (ok Europe too). I find it ridiculous that a lot of you are saying that they should invite 15 or 20 koreans. I like watching most non-kr players loads more than watching kr players, because normally they can speak the language that I speak, they can show emotion, make jokes, not be serious 100% of the time, etc etc.

Inviting 5-10 koreans is fine in my book. But I don't just want to see the same MMA/Nestea/MVP/MC finals every single place I go. It gets boring. Give non korean players a chance at the spotlight.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 08:19:04
March 25 2011 08:16 GMT
#899
On March 25 2011 16:11 Doraemon.doraemon wrote:
damn a certain percentage of TL is so elitist and so in love with koreans...

they are somewhat better right now but what's the point of hosting a sc2 league based in california with 90% koreans... eeshh, go watch the gsl...

good list so far... and they should invite all EGs, fnatics, roots etc... support NA clans in the NASL duh!


The thing is, NASL could easily have prevented the entire mess if they were clear about what they wanted from the beginning. Or if they even knew what they wanted.

They could have made the tournament NA resident exclusive (though it obviously wouldn't justify the investment and prize money, would it?).

They could have said something like - 10 or whatever Korean invitees FIXED (like TSL did) and make an effort to invite the best of them.

They could have had qualifiers instead of handpicking players based on hype or whatever.

Finally, they could have made it a typical invitational tournament, decide which players they wanted, and handle all the inviting business privately instead of making people apply publicly (in which case the rejection is public as well).

They could have done plenty to make things transparent and clear, but they didn't. They said "we want the best players in the world, everybody can apply just go make a video, and then we'll magically produce a list of 50 names we want". So good luck not getting community backlash when people see Cruncher in the league, and not Hyperdub or SuperNoVa or whoever really of the Koreans that applied and doesn't get in.

It's easy to say that you can't keep everyone happy and that with 50 players somebody has to be left out, and it's true. But if you promise the best players in the world, promise to contact the Korean teams (and then fail to do so), and the best players still go ahead and actually apply, then it's pretty damn clear who shouldn't be left out.

Now I wish every foreign tournament was organized by TL. =(
Damian
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany335 Posts
March 25 2011 08:16 GMT
#900
On March 25 2011 16:27 yamato77 wrote:
Groups 4+5 look like Groups of Death. Damn, this league is going to be so good.

Group 4 ?????? I think it's much weaker than group 1 or 5 (which is only missing nestea, mc, mma, july and alicia :D)
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