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On March 05 2011 16:26 AimForTheBushes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:17 slyboogie wrote:On March 05 2011 16:13 PartyBiscuit wrote:On March 05 2011 16:11 slyboogie wrote:
Tester has been deep in multiple GSLs. Nothing really excuses his poor performance tonight but he is, deservingly, a Code S player. Still, this was the worst series ever. Actually, Tester made round of 8 ONCE, failed to qualify for GSL2 and 3, and made Round of 16 last season (and this now). I feel that that is deep. He was beat by MVP in last season 3-0 and Rainbow in GSL 1. He failed to qualify for 2 and 3 yes. Round of 16 this time - say what you want about the quality of his opponent but those are deep rounds. I mean, look at Idra, a great player - a top 3 Zerg (arguably?) and his GSL runs are no more impressive. There are tons of good players who don't win, it's a tournament. This is too funny to be trolling, so I'll assume you're serious with it.. Idra's qualified for GSL every year...how is that "no more impressive" than only making it twice? I halfway agree with the point you're trying to make, but the comparison was a bit silly.
Yeah, I sort of regretted the comparison. I guess that I was trying to say that, as good as Idra is, you can't expect him to pull into the round of 8 consistently. This basic point and courtesy should be extended to Tester.
Also he made it three times. There have been 5 GSLs. I don't know, I think that is impressive.
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Genghis Khan, Hannibal, and Caesar playing Starcraft Brood War. Could you guys imagine? :D
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On March 05 2011 16:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
everytime I see that wemadefox shirt inside that SC2 booth I get some visions of the future....
Only time until that becomes more common.
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Even though TSL_TricKsteR
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sCfOu is bad ~ protoss died to cloak banshee~ terran lost due to trying to all in SCV marines in huge map ~ Terran and protoss 2 base hardcore and wait for 200/200 without trying to expand ~ I do find the commentary entertaining to listen to . I laugh somewhat through out the entire game.
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On March 05 2011 16:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:14 HolyArrow wrote:On March 05 2011 16:10 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The first generation of SC2 pros is definitely past their prime now. Fruitdealer, Tester, etc. just either can't or won't keep up. A broad generalization with cherry-picked "evidence". Nestea and MC can also be considered "first-generation" considering they were around in the first GSL as well. Also, SanZenith. I don't see them failing. Sure, Nestea got taken out early, but that doesn't mean anything. FD is a a great player who's had some poor showings in the last 2 GSLs, but he's innovative and I'm sure we haven't seen the last of him. Statements like these make them sound like they're getting completely destroyed in their games and make platinum-level mistakes all the time. I meant the first generation of SC2 beta players more than "GSL players". Fruit, Tester, Rainbow, and others all have had great showings but the comparably newer players are just consistently beating them. When I say they're past their prime I'm saying they're losing to better players. It happened consistently in BW and it will happen in SC2 as well. The old guard is changing.
All 3 FD, SKS and ITR were from other teams and moved to TSL after GSL1, maybe TSL is not managing to work their talents well. FD and SKS were both from oGs on season 1, dont remember Rainbow (ITR/Hope_torture) team back in GSL1
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On March 05 2011 16:28 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:25 Zim23 wrote:
What's with the weird ominous music? Anyway Tester played poorly, and that's the only reason he lost. Thats the theme from the Starcraft main menu, if you leave it still long enough...
Ah, I always thought the menu theme was the Hyperion overture
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On March 05 2011 16:15 Seditary wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:11 Ribbon wrote:
We now have 3 Protoss (MC, San, HongUn), 3 Terrans (Nada, SC, winner of Ensnare vs Lyn) and 1 Zerg (July) in the round of 8. If Kyrix beats anypro (and he damn well better!), we'll have as perfect as possible racial distribution in the Ro8. A PvP final will also be impossible.
That's kind of weird, when you think about it. Well considering all the upsets...
I'm not sure what that implies. That balance discussions should only be limited to the top 16?
But I'm just saying it's interesting, is all. Some people act like it's literally impossible for Z or P or T to win games, most notably Idra, who actually said the words "It's literally impossible for Zerg to win" on SOTG last week or the week before. It's just worth noting that this game is really complicated, and personal skill, even at the tippy-top levels, can be a deciding factor that overrides any balance issues. Even if a race is UP (and now everyone's saying their race is UP), is hasn't got to WC3 Undead levels*
For reference.
GSL 5: Either 3T, 3P, 2Z or 4P, 3T, 1Z (depending on Kyrix vs Anypro)
GSL 4: 4T, 2P, 2Z
GSL 3: 3P, 3T, 2P
GSL 2: 4T, 3Z, 1P
GSL 1: 4T, 3P, 1Z
There has yet to be a GSL Ro8 with one of the three races completely absent.
*I don't follow WC3. I apologize is Undead actually can be played at a high level, but I was under the impression it couldn't
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interesting expo location
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On March 05 2011 16:30 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:On March 05 2011 16:14 HolyArrow wrote:On March 05 2011 16:10 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The first generation of SC2 pros is definitely past their prime now. Fruitdealer, Tester, etc. just either can't or won't keep up. A broad generalization with cherry-picked "evidence". Nestea and MC can also be considered "first-generation" considering they were around in the first GSL as well. Also, SanZenith. I don't see them failing. Sure, Nestea got taken out early, but that doesn't mean anything. FD is a a great player who's had some poor showings in the last 2 GSLs, but he's innovative and I'm sure we haven't seen the last of him. Statements like these make them sound like they're getting completely destroyed in their games and make platinum-level mistakes all the time. I meant the first generation of SC2 beta players more than "GSL players". Fruit, Tester, Rainbow, and others all have had great showings but the comparably newer players are just consistently beating them. When I say they're past their prime I'm saying they're losing to better players. It happened consistently in BW and it will happen in SC2 as well. The old guard is changing. All 3 FD, SKS and ITR were from other teams and moved to TSL after GSL1, maybe TSL is not managing to work their talents well. FD and SKS were both from oGs on season 1, dont remember Rainbow (ITR/Hope_torture) team back in GSL1
ITR is not in TSL and never has been...
They were together in OGS tho.
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On March 05 2011 16:28 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2011 16:25 spacenegroes wrote:
I'm thinking TSL is just a crappy team. I don't know whether its the organization, poor recruiting of practice partners, or what, but nobody except FD and Tester have had any results at all--if you have crappy practice partners, builds you think are solid are going to turn out to be crap.
Should have stayed with oGs, goddammit. Wait what?
What kind of question is "wait what?" If you want to ask a question, ask it. Don't make me ask you what your question is.
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ahh nice eu bashing so true :D 5/6 kr server
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On March 05 2011 16:31 Mastermind wrote:
interesting expo location
I kind of like it for reasons Artosis explained
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On March 05 2011 16:24 tree.hugger wrote:I think most people noticed that TesteR lost there because he was out-maneuvered, and not because of balance. If anything it's just a good indication of why Scrap is a pretty bad map.
I was thinking more of San vs the Wind, where San didn't do much with Colossus (which some pro-gamers like Idra think is too strong), but people act like he didn't deserve to win because he's Protoss. We saw this times 10,000 when Ret lost. It's a general statement.
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Why is Ensnare expoing to the third first? That's...weird. Lyn could cut in at the natural.
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On March 05 2011 16:33 Blasterion wrote: I kind of like it for reasons Artosis explained
Ya, I agree.
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According, to a Gsl interview the gas at that 3rd expansion is actually a High yeild gas.
You get gas 1.5 times faster from that geyser.
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If ensnare doesnt do something in the next couple minutes Lyn should have a good advantage.
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On March 05 2011 16:35 Cyanocyst wrote:
According, to a Gsl interview the gas at that 3rd expansion is actually a High yeild gas.
You get gas 1.5 times faster from that geyser.
I had no idea that was the case. That makes the map a little more interesting.
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ENSNARE WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT.
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