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On March 02 2011 10:57 dartoo wrote:I am genuinely shocked as to how QXC didnt win even a single game. Maybe he didnt have time to practice because of all his college work  . Anyone knows why morrow got through as opposed to White-Ra and Tarson? How did they decide when the scores are equal?
Morrow gets through on head to head games. He beat Tarson 2-0, and while he lost 1-2 to WhiteRa, WhiteRa's 1-2 loss to Tarson meant that in games involving the three of them, Morrow had the best Win-Loss ratio.
Sad for WhiteRa and Tarson but I guess it's better than flipping a coin.
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Grack was obviously going to destroy.
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On March 02 2011 07:35 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 07:25 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 02 2011 05:22 Shinobi1982 wrote:Pretty much only tournaments who have a decent balance of Korean and Westerner players is FXOpen. See whats happening there http://challonge.com/fxopenis1 Okay, a skit through the winner's bracket shows: Junwi knocked out by Incontrol in the second round Hannibal knocked out by lalush in the second round Supernova knocked out by Moonglade in the second round cute knocked out by Ciara in the first round kkoma knocked out by Select in the second round ParkJongHyuk knocked out by Killer (dignitas one, not sang-ho) in the first round Check knocked out by "Steve" in the second round To be fair, want, J and Vines were teamkilled in WB. Got kicked in LB though (vines by Goody, J by Sheth). Still, just the fact that 2 koreans are in the finals does not make it KOREA DOMINATION or something like that. StC and Hero were the best players there, nothing else to it. Today, Ace aced his group. Was he better than the others? Yeah. qxc and tarson played dissapointing (especially former...), morrow and idra reminded me why I dont like ZvP (though if I remember right idra just threw one of his games away, but non-sure on that one) and White-Ra is not particularily good in PvP... So he was better. And I predict him to win IEM. Will this repeat itself in group B? Probably not. Squirtle is good, no doubt. But group B seems much more even. SjoW and Socke could very well win against Squirtle, and although it pains my casual-WC3-observer heart, Moon is just not that great in SC2. All in all, I suppose it's just too early to claim Korean supremacy. It might come in time, as sc2 gets more figured out, but right now I only see some very talented individuals (and some lesser talented in the mix), regardless of their origin. I know for a fact that most of the koreans didn't show up for their matches. If I remember correctly, only kkoma (Littleboy) was the only korean to show up and lost in the first round of the FXO.
All of oGs showed up. Including supernova which moonglade knocked to LB. But on NA koreans lag, and it frustrates them alot, I dare say they dont play as good in our event as they do in korea, because of that sole reason.
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sweet thanks for the commentaries teeler.
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On March 02 2011 09:42 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 09:38 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:20 deathly rat wrote:
The general standard might be better, but i think it doesn't apply to pros who all practice loads anyway. Anyway, anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys, it comes down to such small things. Yes, so even if Ace doesn't win the final, losing say 1-2, he still went 10-0 Ahem: New England Patriots anyone?
Eeeeeeeeeeexactly, people don't say the 9-7 (13-7) Giants are better than the 16-0 (18-1) Patriots do they?
O.O Maybe some do though..
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sorry if this has been asked all over the place but i did look through the last 5 pages or so and i didn't see anything. is there a place where i can get the replays?
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On March 02 2011 11:53 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 09:42 DyEnasTy wrote:On March 02 2011 09:38 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:20 deathly rat wrote:
The general standard might be better, but i think it doesn't apply to pros who all practice loads anyway. Anyway, anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys, it comes down to such small things. Yes, so even if Ace doesn't win the final, losing say 1-2, he still went 10-0 Ahem: New England Patriots anyone? Eeeeeeeeeeexactly, people don't say the 9-7 (13-7) Giants are better than the 16-0 (18-1) Patriots do they? O.O Maybe some do though..
Consider super bowl is the most important thing in football giants are better then patriots that season. Same case here if ace goes undefeated onto the final and lose. No one is gonna say he is better then the person who beat him.
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On March 02 2011 12:01 lazyfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 11:53 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:42 DyEnasTy wrote:On March 02 2011 09:38 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:20 deathly rat wrote:
The general standard might be better, but i think it doesn't apply to pros who all practice loads anyway. Anyway, anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys, it comes down to such small things. Yes, so even if Ace doesn't win the final, losing say 1-2, he still went 10-0 Ahem: New England Patriots anyone? Eeeeeeeeeeexactly, people don't say the 9-7 (13-7) Giants are better than the 16-0 (18-1) Patriots do they? O.O Maybe some do though.. Consider super bowl is the most important thing in football giants are better then patriots that season. Same case here if ace goes undefeated onto the final and lose. No one is gonna say he is better then the person who beat him.
O.o Really? The point was that the Patriots for example (Ace) Went 16-0 (10-0 for Ace ofc) The OP said "anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys" Yes the Finals are the BIG game and of the utmost importance, however it's still just one game/series, whereas the dominating Ace/Patriots were still undefeated. Just look at the Power Rank, Stork is above Fantasy, but Fantasy just beat him in the BIG GAME the OSL finals. While winning the whole tournament, finishing say 10-5, is the most prestigious thing, you can't really logically say that the winner (10-5) is better than the player who dominated the whole tournament up until the finals, say he went 14-1. The 10-5 player is just more clutch, but not more skilled (Most Likely).
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On March 02 2011 12:08 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 12:01 lazyfeet wrote:On March 02 2011 11:53 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:42 DyEnasTy wrote:On March 02 2011 09:38 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:20 deathly rat wrote:
The general standard might be better, but i think it doesn't apply to pros who all practice loads anyway. Anyway, anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys, it comes down to such small things. Yes, so even if Ace doesn't win the final, losing say 1-2, he still went 10-0 Ahem: New England Patriots anyone? Eeeeeeeeeeexactly, people don't say the 9-7 (13-7) Giants are better than the 16-0 (18-1) Patriots do they? O.O Maybe some do though.. Consider super bowl is the most important thing in football giants are better then patriots that season. Same case here if ace goes undefeated onto the final and lose. No one is gonna say he is better then the person who beat him. O.o Really? The point was that the Patriots for example (Ace) Went 16-0 (10-0 for Ace ofc) The OP said "anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys" Yes the Finals are the BIG game and of the utmost importance, however it's still just one game/series, whereas the dominating Ace/Patriots were still undefeated. Just look at the Power Rank, Stork is above Fantasy, but Fantasy just beat him in the BIG GAME the OSL finals. While winning the whole tournament, finishing say 10-5, is the most prestigious thing, you can't really logically say that the winner (10-5) is better than the player who dominated the whole tournament up until the finals, say he went 14-1. The 10-5 player is just more clutch, but not more skilled (Most Likely).
Except that regular season (or group stages) means absolutely nothing. At the end of the day, people only remember the people that hoist the trophy.
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On March 02 2011 12:14 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 12:08 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 12:01 lazyfeet wrote:On March 02 2011 11:53 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:42 DyEnasTy wrote:On March 02 2011 09:38 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:20 deathly rat wrote:
The general standard might be better, but i think it doesn't apply to pros who all practice loads anyway. Anyway, anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys, it comes down to such small things. Yes, so even if Ace doesn't win the final, losing say 1-2, he still went 10-0 Ahem: New England Patriots anyone? Eeeeeeeeeeexactly, people don't say the 9-7 (13-7) Giants are better than the 16-0 (18-1) Patriots do they? O.O Maybe some do though.. Consider super bowl is the most important thing in football giants are better then patriots that season. Same case here if ace goes undefeated onto the final and lose. No one is gonna say he is better then the person who beat him. O.o Really? The point was that the Patriots for example (Ace) Went 16-0 (10-0 for Ace ofc) The OP said "anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys" Yes the Finals are the BIG game and of the utmost importance, however it's still just one game/series, whereas the dominating Ace/Patriots were still undefeated. Just look at the Power Rank, Stork is above Fantasy, but Fantasy just beat him in the BIG GAME the OSL finals. While winning the whole tournament, finishing say 10-5, is the most prestigious thing, you can't really logically say that the winner (10-5) is better than the player who dominated the whole tournament up until the finals, say he went 14-1. The 10-5 player is just more clutch, but not more skilled (Most Likely). Except that regular season (or group stages) means absolutely nothing. At the end of the day, people only remember the people that hoist the trophy.
Obviously (which is why I said winning in the end is the most prestigious thing, which doesn't make you the best in the tournament though), but the point is people saying that no matter what, the winner of the tournament WILL BE THE MOST SKILLED PLAYER, but it's only one series, where as the arguably more skilled player is the one who went undefeated up to that point.
The whole point is that, even if Ace doesn't win the tournament, he has proven that he, not the top best best Korean, can beat the top Europeans and Americans, granted that it's of course not all of them, and that the games were also just 1 series, it was 5 series in a row against different top players.
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On March 01 2011 14:47 GDbushido wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 14:36 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Wait, will IEM clash with GSL? dam srsly, genius vs fruitdealer is must see. in other news I like either qxc or whitera to take this. expecting epicsauce in any case.
well this guy looks pretty dumb >.<
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On March 02 2011 12:14 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Except that regular season (or group stages) means absolutely nothing.
except who was better over a sustained period of time, and thus the most skilled.
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On March 02 2011 12:23 Kazzabiss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 12:14 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On March 02 2011 12:08 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 12:01 lazyfeet wrote:On March 02 2011 11:53 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:42 DyEnasTy wrote:On March 02 2011 09:38 Kazzabiss wrote:On March 02 2011 09:20 deathly rat wrote:
The general standard might be better, but i think it doesn't apply to pros who all practice loads anyway. Anyway, anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys, it comes down to such small things. Yes, so even if Ace doesn't win the final, losing say 1-2, he still went 10-0 Ahem: New England Patriots anyone? Eeeeeeeeeeexactly, people don't say the 9-7 (13-7) Giants are better than the 16-0 (18-1) Patriots do they? O.O Maybe some do though.. Consider super bowl is the most important thing in football giants are better then patriots that season. Same case here if ace goes undefeated onto the final and lose. No one is gonna say he is better then the person who beat him. O.o Really? The point was that the Patriots for example (Ace) Went 16-0 (10-0 for Ace ofc) The OP said "anybody can win 2 games against anyone in these tourneys" Yes the Finals are the BIG game and of the utmost importance, however it's still just one game/series, whereas the dominating Ace/Patriots were still undefeated. Just look at the Power Rank, Stork is above Fantasy, but Fantasy just beat him in the BIG GAME the OSL finals. While winning the whole tournament, finishing say 10-5, is the most prestigious thing, you can't really logically say that the winner (10-5) is better than the player who dominated the whole tournament up until the finals, say he went 14-1. The 10-5 player is just more clutch, but not more skilled (Most Likely). Except that regular season (or group stages) means absolutely nothing. At the end of the day, people only remember the people that hoist the trophy. Obviously (which is why I said winning in the end is the most prestigious thing, which doesn't make you the best in the tournament though), but the point is people saying that no matter what, the winner of the tournament WILL BE THE MOST SKILLED PLAYER, but it's only one series, where as the arguably more skilled player is the one who went undefeated up to that point. The whole point is that, even if Ace doesn't win the tournament, he has proven that he, not the top best best Korean, can beat the top Europeans and Americans, granted that it's of course not all of them, and that the games were also just 1 series, it was 5 series in a row against different top players.
you are so wrong because you cant compare the two different paths that the finalists have taken...
they have not faced the same opponents and therefore you can't measure wins and losses like that.
ie: u face random random random and then u go to final without losses and then u face mvp, mc and fruitdealer but you lost several games while doing so. who is more likely to be the better player? You can be inclined to think its the guy who faced the 3 gsl winners but that doenst prove anything because the guy who beat 3 randoms in a row may have a gigantic skill level gap from all the rest of the players (imagine a new Jaedong or Flash) or he may be just some decent code S player (which is still amazing but not good enuf to be a champion). This is why the Grand Final is a best of 7 and has the final word. In my opinion it should even be a best of 9 because a 4:3 victory like in season 2 Nestea over MarineKing did not prove who was the best IN MY OPINION I REPEAT. All in all I really support the winner of the grand final to be the best player at the moment, it is almost always accurate. However I strongly feel Grand finals should be BO9 with at least 2 games clear [5-3 victory at least] cuz 4-3 is not deciding.
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Seriously, I will enver navigate these shitty websites to find the games. I want to watch the vods. They seem to be scattered nonsensically along all their other garbage content. At least he GSL has gomtv.net you go to and shit is organized by match. How hard is it?
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On March 02 2011 14:19 Bane1998 wrote:
Seriously, I will enver navigate these shitty websites to find the games. I want to watch the vods. They seem to be scattered nonsensically along all their other garbage content. At least he GSL has gomtv.net you go to and shit is organized by match. How hard is it?
http://www.own3d.tv/ESLTV
how hard was that? All the English VODs available are right there
The only "navigating" you need is scrolling down the page, and mousing over the Games Name to see the players.
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always love your commentary <3 def gonna watch this
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Am I the only one concerned about EU being patched atm? If the server downtime follows the WoW servers, which I think they do, B-net wont be avaliable before 11:00, which is in 3 hours and 40 mins.
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