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Hahahhaa, drewbie vs IdrA rematch. This is going to be epic ;D
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I don't rate ROOT at all, so EG 4-0 (3-0 if it only gets that far) shame demuslim isn't playing
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Who won the first time between Drewbie/IdrA?
Predicting another 2 - 2 into an Ace for EG.
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IdrA vs Drewbie Part 2 haha
Drewbie has induced IdrA rage in beta and recently IdrA called Drewbie a total noob on JP's show.
Incontrol VS kiwikaki I don't know who to root for. Incontrol has such a huge losing streak but mostly has only lost to extremely good players. Kiwikaki is such a solid player, a genius of protoss; he will be hard to take down.
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On February 05 2011 12:03 Sadistx wrote:
Hahahhaa, drewbie vs IdrA rematch. This is going to be epic ;D
Rematch of what(what was the first match from)?
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bad maps for root vs the EG zergs imo.
personal useless predictions:
ddoro<machine
drewbie<idra
minigun>axslav
kiwi>incontrol
idra>kiwi in ace
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Prediction
(P)ROOTDDoRo > (Z)EGMachine zvp on blistering sands is bullshit.
(T)ROOTdrewbie < (Z)EGIdrA idra should win on a macro map like shakuras.
(P)ROOTMinigun > (P)EGAxslav
(P)ROOTKiWiKaKi < (P)EGiNcontroL
ACE: Kiwi > Idra
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Kiwi is the only one that can challenge idra in the ace. But I think as long as someone else besides idra gets a win it'll go to EG
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I'm pretty sure incontrol, machine and idra are gonna win. I don't know how minigun and axlav play.
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Lol Drew vs. Idra again 
Gogo Root!
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Quite a few protoss playing this clan war.
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Root may take this one, kiwikaki vs incontrol is going to be a complete roflstomp, drewbie vs idra is going to be very close (and basically idra is the ace in the team), don't know much about xlav and minigun, but pvp may go either way
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ROOTDdoRo <Blistering Sands> EGMachine
ROOTdrewbie <Shakuras> EGIdrA
ROOTMinigun <Xel Naga> EGAxslav
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Jungle Basin> EGiNcontroL
ACE <Metalopolis> ACE
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^I feel so dumb for not realizing this is the "self-respect" rematch of the century.
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BTW -- StrifeCro subbing for Machine
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On February 05 2011 13:01 Xeris wrote:
BTW -- StrifeCro subbing for Machine
Why can't Machine make it? 
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Looking forward to this... Go EG!
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Idra vs Drewbie should be good :D
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:/ you guys still remember that stuff.
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Nerds never forget chances to create e-drama genoz.
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Cant wait for Kiwi vs Incontrol ! ^^
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On February 05 2011 12:26 TheBlueMeaner wrote:
Root may take this one, kiwikaki vs incontrol is going to be a complete roflstomp, drewbie vs idra is going to be very close (and basically idra is the ace in the team), don't know much about xlav and minigun, but pvp may go either way
What? lol
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On February 05 2011 15:47 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 12:26 TheBlueMeaner wrote:
Root may take this one, kiwikaki vs incontrol is going to be a complete roflstomp, drewbie vs idra is going to be very close (and basically idra is the ace in the team), don't know much about xlav and minigun, but pvp may go either way What? lol
Geoff... I'm pretty sure TheBlueMeaner knows what he's talking about ok? Didn't you know... PvP can go either way, but KiWi is gonna rofl you.
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Yeah I dunno what a roflstomp pvp looks like. Does he go collossus and I am busy figuring out the slowest 4 gate on earth?
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On February 05 2011 15:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah I dunno what a roflstomp pvp looks like. Does he go collossus and I am busy figuring out the slowest 4 gate on earth?
lol go check out whitera vs minigun in the reddit, you will see me get rofl stomped
t.t
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I think EG 3-1 put it on the boardddd YES
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These team battles are really fun to watch especially with the big prize pool. Feels more important as team pride is on the line. I feel this one is going to be 3-2 could go either way but going to come down to the ace. Hope its as awesome as the liquid/dignitas battle.
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On February 05 2011 15:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah I dunno what a roflstomp pvp looks like. Does he go collossus and I am busy figuring out the slowest 4 gate on earth?
your to busy commentating your own match, and thats why you get roflstomped.
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Root can win this, the PvPs could go either way, and Idra playing with 1 second lag is just not the same beast as we're used to seeing in the GSL, against a solid Terran like Drewbie that match is probably 50/50. My prediction 2-2, with Kiwikaki taking out the ace match against (probably) IdrA 2-1.
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drewbie vs idra
pew pew
This should be funny, i think that match pretty much made drewbie well known
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Sigh, a lot of PvPs - probably the worst mirror match-up so far. TvT plays like an intricate game of Risk, and ZvZ can at least go to the late-game. But PvP seems to almost never goes beyond one big confrontation with colossi, and that's assuming it gets past 4 gate.
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On February 05 2011 16:45 beat farm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 15:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah I dunno what a roflstomp pvp looks like. Does he go collossus and I am busy figuring out the slowest 4 gate on earth? your to busy commentating your own match, and thats why you get roflstomped.
hahaha
yea inc i don't think that you will be able to play your 100% best game while commentating at the same time, i know i can't talk and play ;D
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On February 05 2011 15:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah I dunno what a roflstomp pvp looks like. Does he go collossus and I am busy figuring out the slowest 4 gate on earth?
^^
I'm interetsted to see Stifecro's ZvP. I hope it goes to an ace match
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On February 05 2011 16:03 Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 15:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yeah I dunno what a roflstomp pvp looks like. Does he go collossus and I am busy figuring out the slowest 4 gate on earth? lol go check out whitera vs minigun in the reddit, you will see me get rofl stomped t.t
Hah, I may check this out some time. There is no shame in getting owned by WhiteRa though.  Good luck Mini!
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think everyone is underestimating axslav.
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2 pvps?! Ughhhh. Well that means the series is pretty much a toss up, imo, since both PvPs can go either way.
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Idra will destroy drewbie quicker than water gets wet in the ocean.
As for the other match ups, it really depends. ima give it this
Game 1 - Ddoro
Game 2 - IdrA
Game 3 - Minigun
Game 4 - Incontrol
Game 5 - EG will win
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Don't really know whos gona win this one tbh, i think idrA will pull his game, dont know much about ddoro or strifeco to comment, and for the pvps definatly some of my favorite players to watch there so i can predict gg's for sure!
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This could be the quickest CW to date.
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On February 05 2011 18:06 Plexa wrote:
This could be the quickest CW to date.
because the 4 toss will decide to make the result more predictable and just play rock paper sicssors BO5 to decide who is the worthy winner?
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axslav is unbeaten or something so far in team leagues right? Not sure why so many people prefer minigun over him. Based on current form, axslav should win.
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i can't wait to watch this ^_^, however i feel like it will be an EG 3-2 or 3-1. But i might be a bit biased because of how awesome iNontroL is
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My prediction
ROOTDdoRo <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
ROOTdrewbie <Shakuras> EGIdrA
ROOTMinigun <Xel Naga> EGAxslav
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Jungle Basin> EGiNcontroL
ROOTKiWiKaKi <ACE> EGIdrA
EG 3-2 ROOT
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Oh my, this gonna be nervewrecking to watch. Go ROOT! Really hope drewbie beats idra xD
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I like both teams, can't decide on a winner >.<
Hopefully we'll get some good matches though
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First GCPL I'll be awake for and its got 2x PvP, Bummer but seriously looking forward to it. Although I'd like EG to win I hope its closer than I think it'll be.
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Lol poor Incontrol always seems to get thrown against the opponent's best,
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Minigun vs Axslav has potential, I love Axslav's PvP.
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I'm betting 3-0 for EG, if IdrA doesn't have delay problems
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I'm rooting (;D) for EG.
I just hope PvPs will flip coins of longer games, because last time I was really looking forward to Tyler's match and it ended up being 5 minute k4g game, so hopefully Incontrol / Axslav will have to luxury of playing longer game..
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Well hopefully Minigun can pull it out, but I can see this ending up 3-0. Kiwi should take game 4, but it's only game 4. =/
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I might not be able to catch the stream for all the games. Will there be VODs uploaded anywhere?
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ugh how can I choose between incontrol and kiwikaki. Kiwikaki is so creative and cool, but incontrol is the funniest person in starcraft. either way it should be a fairly interesting game I suppose. Hope it makes it to game 4.
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Ddoro > StrifeCro
Drewbie < Idra
Minigun = Axslav
KiwiKaki > Incontrol
Idra takes ace match if axslav wins
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Absence of Demuslim is quite a blow to EG, should be a close series.
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IdrA has been winning too much in these clan wars I can see him lose against Drewbie, just for the sake of balance :D
Kiwi vs iNc will be very exciting.
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Shame no qxc, qxc vs idra would be a lot of fun.
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ROOTDDoRo <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
ROOTdrewbie <Shakuras> EGIdrA
ROOTMinigun <Xel Naga> EGAxslav
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Jungle Basin> EGiNcontroL
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Metalopolis> EGIdrA
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I feel so bad for ROOT being 0-3 down. They are so much better than that. Hopefully they can start their comeback today. Beat EG; please don’t go down 0-4.
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ROOTDDoRo <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
ROOTdrewbie <Shakuras> EGIdrA
ROOTMinigun <Xel Naga> EGAxslav
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Jungle Basin> EGiNcontroL
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Metalopolis> EGIdrA
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ROOTDDoRo <Blistering Sands> EGStrifeCro
ROOTdrewbie <Shakuras> EGIdrA
ROOTMinigun <Xel Naga> EGAxslav
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Jungle Basin> EGiNcontroL
ROOTKiWiKaKi <Metalopolis> EGIdrA
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Could we potentially see qxc in the ace match or is he unavailable?
Can't wait.
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GO DREWBIE...... :DDD WIN VS IDRA!! :3
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oh damn these are all epic matchups! cant wait for it to begin
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No idea who's going to win this, but I'm 99.999% sure that iNc will get roflstomped. All the other matches are toss-ups. Depend on maps.
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Does it seem like JP is timing out or lagging to anyone else?
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Drewbie is probably going to scv all-in /bunker rush on shakura's, alas
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iNcontroL
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ROOT is being incredibly unprofessional. We needed to get a few matches done earlier and they just flat didn't respond to Colbi.
Now the team is 15 minutes late and going. Pretty insane.
Xeris said they've done this each week too, what's the deal ROOT?
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On February 06 2011 04:14 iNcontroL wrote:
ROOT is being incredibly unprofessional. We needed to get a few matches done earlier and they just flat didn't respond to Colbi.
Now the team is 15 minutes late and going. Pretty insane.
Xeris said they've done this each week too, what's the deal ROOT?
Don't know about the other times but for today, it's got to be fear of the grack.
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so basically they're going to play at 4 am korean time? LOL great way to make sure Idra doesn't show and won't be Ace.
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Hope IdrA is getting some power naps in
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Colossi > all in PvP it seems ha ha. Kinda boring game but Axslav played solid.
YES! IdrA vs. Drewbie should be a hell of a game.
Damn, wonder who is gonna be playing now...
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I actually think the VR is a legitimate opening now against a collosus protoss with the +20% massive.
But the forcefields were amazing for axlav and minigun's VRs needed to target fire the colossi.
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On February 06 2011 04:14 iNcontroL wrote:
ROOT is being incredibly unprofessional. We needed to get a few matches done earlier and they just flat didn't respond to Colbi.
Now the team is 15 minutes late and going. Pretty insane.
Xeris said they've done this each week too, what's the deal ROOT?
players aren't probably present.. classic tactic used in leagues : )
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Someone show root what an alarm clock is :o
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Are there any rules on penalising a team for being consistently tardy? because there really should be.
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Man I hope that the IdrA vs Drewbie match is better than these last two...
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On February 06 2011 04:26 PSA wrote:
Colossi > all in PvP it seems ha ha. Kinda boring game but Axslav played solid.
If Minigun microed his VR's it might have swung the game the other direction.
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The fact that Drewbie supplied the replay tells me that he won. I hope i'm not right
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Well, Colbi messaged me while i was sleeping, when I woke up I was on the NA server for like 8 hours and IdrA never logged in, we ended up playing early when IdrA logged in. Minigun was online at 2 and so was KiWi but he was playing the TL Open but I was talking to him on Europe and he could come when we needed him. Also my game was played early so there was 3 games available, there was a little mixup with DdoRo and he was 25 minutes late, which we apologize for and had no control over.
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Sheth knows the result already. I can hear it on his voice.
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Wow, I tuned in at the perfect time :D
Greg Fields fighting!!!!
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Everything Sheth says he thinks will happen, will happen.
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On February 06 2011 04:45 Psyclon wrote:The fact that Drewbie supplied the replay tells me that he won. I hope i'm not right
After those hellions it's become pretty obvious :/
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On February 06 2011 04:46 drewbie.root wrote:
Well, Colbi messaged me while i was sleeping, when I woke up I was on the NA server for like 8 hours and IdrA never logged in, we ended up playing early when IdrA logged in. Minigun was online at 2 and so was KiWi but he was playing the TL Open but I was talking to him on Europe and he could come when we needed him. Also my game was played early so there was 3 games available, there was a little mixup with DdoRo and he was 25 minutes late, which we apologize for and had no control over.
IdrA played at an obscene hour and colbi had contacted you guys DAYS earlier not "while you were asleep."
ALso I needed to play kiwi earlier in the week but friday he was apparently completely unable to play and you guys were late to get back to us about lineups anyways.
All in all dude you guys are really tough to work with for clan wars. We are not the first to complain..
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Why did blizzard ruin a perfectly good map with some destructable rocks??! :/
Anyways, Inc fighting!!
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Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
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On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
MVP didn't feel like going through the back rocks.
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That IdrA vs. Drewbie game makes me sick.
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On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
It's not hard to win one game out of plenty(something idra's fanclub doesn't seem to understand)
anyway drewbie vs idra was a good game, I'm happy with who won!
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On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
I think you're giving far too little credit to Drewbie. The guy's genuinely good.
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that push on those positions on shakuras looks damn near unstoppable? I'm not a zerg player but what can zerg really do once the terran fortifies that position? I mean we saw this against nestea vs mvp when nestea was way ahead on bases and macro.
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Hoping Incontrol can pull the upset!
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On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 06 2011 04:17 ffz wrote:
so basically they're going to play at 4 am korean time? LOL great way to make sure Idra doesn't show and won't be Ace.
replay...
ROOT 3-1
And by 3-1 I meant 3-2
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InControl v Kiwikaki!! Battle of solid fundamentals against insane creativity
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On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
One was cross positions, this was close positions. In fact, without alluding to any kind of imbalance, i'd really like to see a replay of a top level TvZ in these positions ending in victory for the Z.
GL iNcontrol, it's up to you now!
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On February 06 2011 04:54 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 04:46 drewbie.root wrote:
Well, Colbi messaged me while i was sleeping, when I woke up I was on the NA server for like 8 hours and IdrA never logged in, we ended up playing early when IdrA logged in. Minigun was online at 2 and so was KiWi but he was playing the TL Open but I was talking to him on Europe and he could come when we needed him. Also my game was played early so there was 3 games available, there was a little mixup with DdoRo and he was 25 minutes late, which we apologize for and had no control over. IdrA played at an obscene hour and colbi had contacted you guys DAYS earlier not "while you were asleep." ALso I needed to play kiwi earlier in the week but friday he was apparently completely unable to play and you guys were late to get back to us about lineups anyways. All in all dude you guys are really tough to work with for clan wars. We are not the first to complain..
We apologize that you think so, and it is not like we are trying to go out of our way to make things difficult for you, but the fact remains that the time for this league is something that is pre-set and while we will try to work with you regarding playing games earlier, you guys knew that if we could not, this was the time we would need to play at. And according to my league guy, we sent in our lineups on-time. I am sorry you felt the need to address this in a public forum, we have felt like we had a good working relationship with EG and we apologize that Ddoro was late. Nobody is going out of their way to try to make life hard for any other team.
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On February 06 2011 05:02 InRainbows wrote:
that push on those positions on shakuras looks damn near unstoppable? I'm not a zerg player but what can zerg really do once the terran fortifies that position? I mean we saw this against nestea vs mvp when nestea was way ahead on bases and macro.
It's almost solely based on the terran playing poorly with the push. If they position siege tanks incorrectly so mutas kill some for free, or if they don't use the ramp properly to funnel the ling/bling. If the Terran executes the push well, I haven't seen it fail yet.
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That was so beautiful to watch, my nerdcrush on drewbie reaching new heights now.
In all seriousness though, drewbie has shown some really amazing games lately on his stream, specially against zerg on shakuras.
GOOO ROOOT!
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On February 06 2011 05:02 InRainbows wrote:
that push on those positions on shakuras looks damn near unstoppable? I'm not a zerg player but what can zerg really do once the terran fortifies that position? I mean we saw this against nestea vs mvp when nestea was way ahead on bases and macro.
Yeah indeed it seems really hard. The only game i saw a zerg win from that position was Leenock's game. Basically by doing that push, the Terran leaves the base vulnerable to counter attack via the main path. Leenock upgraded lair at his expo / 3rd and have zero tech buildings at his main or something. So maybe for now, zerg's only solution is to sac that base and probably going for a base trade. Kinda impossible to attack through that ramp with siege tanks around.
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Finally GCPL is played at a euro friendly time, and then its between two American teams. :D
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Is Incontrol vs Kiwikaki live?
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On February 06 2011 05:03 Psyclon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. One was cross positions, this was close positions. In fact, without alluding to any kind of imbalance, i'd really like to see a replay of a top level TvZ in these positions ending in victory for the Z. GL iNcontrol, it's up to you now!
The match against MVP was same positions (except bottom). MVP simply used a much different build and idea. He moved out expecting to kill IdrA's third, but IdrA canceled it and hid the drone. This made MVP think IdrA had a really heavy army, causing him to withdraw expecting a mass amount of units from IdrA. Also, in that particular game, MVP did not attempt to push through the back rocks.
Strong attack from Inc. Should spell doom.
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Wow, gj Incontrol! Really thought Kiwi would win.
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every match this week going to ace so far ^__^!
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Awaken the gracken!!!!!!!!!
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Dammmn, Geoff Robinson fighting!!!
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On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for.
Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance.
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On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie.
Idra loses to a lot of terran who push up narrow chokes because it's impossible to stop.
ROFL at people who said Incontrol would get stomped.
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Ace match!
+ Show Spoiler +
I liked the play by Incontrol there, reacting to the expansion by Kiwi. I'm glad that Inc proved the haters who said he would be roflstomped wrong.
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incontrol is so baller :D :D
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On February 06 2011 05:03 SunDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 04:54 iNcontroL wrote:On February 06 2011 04:46 drewbie.root wrote:
Well, Colbi messaged me while i was sleeping, when I woke up I was on the NA server for like 8 hours and IdrA never logged in, we ended up playing early when IdrA logged in. Minigun was online at 2 and so was KiWi but he was playing the TL Open but I was talking to him on Europe and he could come when we needed him. Also my game was played early so there was 3 games available, there was a little mixup with DdoRo and he was 25 minutes late, which we apologize for and had no control over. IdrA played at an obscene hour and colbi had contacted you guys DAYS earlier not "while you were asleep." ALso I needed to play kiwi earlier in the week but friday he was apparently completely unable to play and you guys were late to get back to us about lineups anyways. All in all dude you guys are really tough to work with for clan wars. We are not the first to complain.. We apologize that you think so, and it is not like we are trying to go out of our way to make things difficult for you, but the fact remains that the time for this league is something that is pre-set and while we will try to work with you regarding playing games earlier, you guys knew that if we could not, this was the time we would need to play at. And according to my league guy, we sent in our lineups on-time. I am sorry you felt the need to address this in a public forum, we have felt like we had a good working relationship with EG and we apologize that Ddoro was late. Nobody is going out of their way to try to make life hard for any other team.
Hey man.. I don't think you guys are "time attacking" us or anything. But you realize Xeris himself (the "league guy") has complained about this very same thing right? Also TL has complained... it isn't some conspiracy against you guys. Please stop making excuses and just take accountability.
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On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance.
Prob was affected by idra playing from korea early in the morning when they wanted to play days earlier.
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Do the teams have like, team captains or something who decide who the ace match player will be, or do they just try to come up with a consensus on their own?
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I don't think anything I said was making excuses, I apologized that Ddoro was late. We don't need to make excuses for the time thing, the games were set to start at 2 pm and we will of course try to work with you to play them earlier if possible but you knew the games were set to start then. The league guy I was referring to was my league guy, not Xeris. Nowhere did I say it was a conspiracy, and if I gave that implication I apologize.
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Bah, PvP again.
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Lol evil ketchup protoss.
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On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance.
You realize he was behind because T pushed and blocked his ramp only to retreat behind his own wall leaving IdrA completely in the dark. This leads me back to my first post.. Did you even think before you responded?
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PvP ace match always seems like an underwhelming end to a clan war
Gogo Axslav I guess.
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On February 06 2011 05:15 ffz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance. Prob was affected by idra playing from korea early in the morning when they wanted to play days earlier.
no need to make excuses, win some and lose some.
He's not the best sc2 player.
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It's very hard for zerg to defend narrow chokes like the back rocks in skakuras when the right composition is there (tanks,turrets,marines, and maybe thors). If they engage it's horribly cost inefficient, if they don't, terran leapfrogs forward, and zerg loses their base, and vital structures. Only thing that I know would work against that is broods, but it's risky.
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On February 06 2011 05:23 Vorlik wrote:
It's very hard for zerg to defend narrow chokes like the back rocks in skakuras when the right composition is there (tanks,turrets,marines, and maybe thors). If they engage it's horribly cost inefficient, if they don't, terran leapfrogs forward, and zerg loses their base, and vital structures. Only thing that I know would work against that is broods, but it's risky.
He'd be dead before he reached the tech. Guaranteed.
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On February 06 2011 05:19 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance. You realize he was behind because T pushed and blocked his ramp only to retreat behind his own wall leaving IdrA completely in the dark. This leads me back to my first post.. Did you even think before you responded?
No he was behind because 10+ drones got roasted because he didn't block his ramp with queens.
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I'm an IdrA fan, and not particularly fond of drewbie, but fanboys of either are incredibly annoying. Please stop making illogical/smug comments simply because your favorite player won or loss, this isn't the place for balance discussion, if thats what you could even call it.
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On February 06 2011 05:25 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:19 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance. You realize he was behind because T pushed and blocked his ramp only to retreat behind his own wall leaving IdrA completely in the dark. This leads me back to my first post.. Did you even think before you responded? No he was behind because 10+ drones got roasted because he didn't block his ramp with queens.
Simplistic answer at best. Say he blocks his main ramp, then they attack his natural instead. Losing ~12 drones at the cost of 5 blue flame hellions isn't even that bad. Shortly after that attack they showed the income tab and their harvester count was about equal (excluding mules, obv).
edit: Depressing pvp, definitely don't miss playing that matchup. GG's Root and EG.
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On February 06 2011 05:25 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:19 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance. You realize he was behind because T pushed and blocked his ramp only to retreat behind his own wall leaving IdrA completely in the dark. This leads me back to my first post.. Did you even think before you responded? No he was behind because 10+ drones got roasted because he didn't block his ramp with queens.
WHICH HE COULDNT PREPARE FOR BECAUSE ZERG IS IN THE DARK AND TERRAN HAS 900 OPENINGS.
PLEASE are you this fucking dense? That is the entire crux of my fucking post. Jesus christ.
Anyway... This Ace Match is making me hate PvP. I used to think about switching P but I'm not sure I could handle PvP lol.
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I was hoping to see a little less of PvP or 4gating, but oh well. Nicely played for the most part and it's always fun to watch these clan wars.
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Pretty much the exact opposite results across the board from what I expected. Well done Root. PvP does suck tho. I'd never send a toss to an ace match just for that reason, lol.
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Nicely done ROOT!
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On February 06 2011 05:31 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:25 Inky87 wrote:On February 06 2011 05:19 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:12 Inky87 wrote:On February 06 2011 05:03 crms wrote:On February 06 2011 05:00 Holgerius wrote:Idra - beats MVP and then loses to Drewbie. yeah shows you the complete bullshitness of this matchup. you have to basically hope you guess correctly as zerg while terran rolls its face on the keyboard selecting 1 of 900 successful openings zerg can't be ready for. Certainly doesn't help that idra was behind the entire game. Nothing to do with imbalance. You realize he was behind because T pushed and blocked his ramp only to retreat behind his own wall leaving IdrA completely in the dark. This leads me back to my first post.. Did you even think before you responded? No he was behind because 10+ drones got roasted because he didn't block his ramp with queens. WHICH HE COULDNT PREPARE FOR BECAUSE ZERG IS IN THE DARK AND TERRAN HAS 900 OPENINGS. PLEASE are you this fucking dense? That is the entire crux of my fucking post. Jesus christ. Anyway... This Ace Match is making me hate PvP. I used to think about switching P but I'm not sure I could handle PvP lol.
I think you have valid points about the difficulty of scouting ZvT but you're kind of undermining them by being enraged.
Anyway gg's although too much PvP = -_-
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GGs EG, gl in rest of the tournament
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GO Drewbie! Well played. nice stream and cast!.
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On February 06 2011 05:31 iNcontroL wrote:
pvp -.-
sigh
gg's root
Why pick Axslav as the Ace? All respect to him but I was predicting it would be you instead.
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On February 06 2011 05:39 ratMortar wrote:Why pick Axslav as the Ace? All respect to him but I was predicting it would be you instead.
ax plays a lot with kiwi and is the better pvp player of us two. The match was disappointing but we have faith in axslav.
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On February 06 2011 05:41 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:39 ratMortar wrote:On February 06 2011 05:31 iNcontroL wrote:
pvp -.-
sigh
gg's root Why pick Axslav as the Ace? All respect to him but I was predicting it would be you instead. ax plays a lot with kiwi and is the better pvp player of us two. The match was disappointing but we have faith in axslav.
Wait, so how does that go? Did they pick Kiwikaki and you guys picked after knowing who the ROOT Ace was?
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On February 06 2011 05:41 cangiz wrote:
Root dominates EG!
While I appreciate your enthusiasm, EG is a great bunch of players who played great games, it was not a domination by any stretch of the imagination.
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probably speculating upon the fact that root sends a protoss out
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On February 05 2011 12:05 Jager wrote:
I don't rate ROOT at all, so EG 4-0
Foot in mouth, yes?
Missed the live stream, are VODs available?
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kiwi IS root's strongest player, so a pretty simple prediction of them sending him out in an important ace match
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Thanks for tuning in everyone, had fun casting! See you guys tomorrow.
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On February 06 2011 05:47 SunDevil wrote:While I appreciate your enthusiasm, EG is a great bunch of players who played great games, it was not a domination by any stretch of the imagination.
well said
afaik this series brings the all time record between root and EG to 5-0... perhaps I missed a clan war in my reflection.
^________^ go ROOT
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On February 06 2011 05:54 sputnik.theory wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 05:47 SunDevil wrote:On February 06 2011 05:41 cangiz wrote:
Root dominates EG! While I appreciate your enthusiasm, EG is a great bunch of players who played great games, it was not a domination by any stretch of the imagination. well said afaik this series brings the all time record between root and EG to 5-0... perhaps I missed a clan war in my reflection. ^________^ go ROOT
ya like the last two we played
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Congrats to both sides, thanks for providing some good games!
EG fighting!!
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On February 06 2011 05:39 ratMortar wrote:
Why pick Axslav as the Ace? All respect to him but I was predicting it would be you instead.
+ Show Spoiler +This was the first clan match game I've seen Ax lose in awhile seems like a solid choice to put him as an ACE no shame in losing to Kiwi
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these will be some good games! especially with the added idra vs drewbie drama
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Hmm great games. Im suprised Ax went for the ace, isn't PvP his weakest MU?
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A lot of people are commenting "a lot of protoss" ROOT thought they would be putting in a lot of Z and didn't to face EG in a ZvZ so catz pulled himself and put in Minigun instead
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On February 06 2011 09:07 EndoGaming wrote:
A lot of people are commenting "a lot of protoss" ROOT thought they would be putting in a lot of Z and didn't to face EG in a ZvZ so catz pulled himself and put in Minigun instead
yeah i really dislike zvz, and i dont think slush likes it anywhat more than i do, on the other hand they had options in machine idra and strifecro, all great at zvz (and every other mu) so we decided we'd go with a P heavy lineup today
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I love rooting for root <3
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Wow didn't see Drewbie taking that from IdrA... I'll definitely have to watch to see if it was cheese or not.
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Whoa IdrA going down to drewbie.. definately was not expecting that in the slightest! Huge pickup for ROOT .. Looks like a really really close series :D
Nice to see a positive result for ROOT
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This whole tournament is totally awesome, but if I could change one thing... it's way too easy to find out what the results are by accident!
I can't watch most of them live due to work; but liking Gosucoaching's Facebook publishes the results straight to my phone gahh, and the GCPL Week # pages on their site put the results as the very first things you read... I have to sneak directly to the JustinTV site and click the replays, but even that reveals the ace matches :O
But even aside from that this tournament is totally totally awesome, I'm finding it way more exciting than even the GSL (except when foreigners were playing), can't wait for the playoffs!! Fantastic job
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I was surprised by the outcome many of the individual match ups. It's a shame that there had to be some arguing going publicly though... but I guess that is pretty typical with a certain someone. I'm just glad it's always entertaining. GG to both teams.
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drewbie played idra on the 2nd most unfavorable zerg map at 4am idratime
what an incredible win
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On February 06 2011 16:52 TopOgi wrote:
drewbie played idra on the 2nd most unfavorable zerg map at 4am idratime
what an incredible win
My thoughts exactly. The map situation is starting to annoy me.
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are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early?
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On February 06 2011 16:52 TopOgi wrote:
drewbie played idra on the 2nd most unfavorable zerg map at 4am idratime
what an incredible win
lol, shakuras is one of the better zerg maps. I think only scrap station, blistering sands and xel naga are better for zerg.
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On February 06 2011 16:52 TopOgi wrote:
drewbie played idra on the 2nd most unfavorable zerg map at 4am idratime
what an incredible win
It was a replay.
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GJ ROOT, you guys are awesome. Only got to watch the first half of the idra drewbie game but my guess is that the early harass is what won drewbie the game.
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GJ incontrol i came on and Root'd for you (PUN INTENDED)
Was happy to see my coach do well. Winning the battle but not the war
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Good games, Drewbie I wouldn't listen to them. IdrA is their god :\
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On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early?
How is Shakura's Horizontal Spawn any better than Jungle Basin?
"The option to take a 3rd before dying" ?
edit: not trying to take away any credit here. But recent games have shown how incredible hard / near impossible it is for a Zerg to defend a properly executed backdoor tankpush after setting up a Planetary.
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On February 06 2011 21:13 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early? How is Shakura's Horizontal Spawn any better than Jungle Basin? "The option to take a 3rd before dying" ? edit: not trying to take away any credit here. But recent games have shown how incredible hard / near impossible it is for a Zerg to defend a properly executed backdoor tankpush after setting up a Planetary.
Yeah, a lot of the problem with the "balanced" maps is the high chance of spawning in a terrible position for zerg. Take metal for example, its a balanced map on cross positions, but a horrible map if you get close positions.
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On February 06 2011 21:13 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early? How is Shakura's Horizontal Spawn any better than Jungle Basin? "The option to take a 3rd before dying" ? edit: not trying to take away any credit here. But recent games have shown how incredible hard / near impossible it is for a Zerg to defend a properly executed backdoor tankpush after setting up a Planetary.
Those positions have been slightly Terran favoured recently (Jinro said it himself during his GSL interview) but IdrA managed to beat MvP in those positions..
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On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early?
"early" was 3:40 am and shakuras close positions is just as bad or worse than those maps when terran abuses the backdoor path. and it was on american server.
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On February 06 2011 21:27 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 21:13 TazzDingo wrote:On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early? How is Shakura's Horizontal Spawn any better than Jungle Basin? "The option to take a 3rd before dying" ? edit: not trying to take away any credit here. But recent games have shown how incredible hard / near impossible it is for a Zerg to defend a properly executed backdoor tankpush after setting up a Planetary. Those positions have been slightly Terran favoured recently (Jinro said it himself during his GSL interview) but IdrA managed to beat MvP in those positions..
MVP chose not to tank push through the bottom.
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Am I the only one who can't watch the VOD? Doesn't seem to load at all :S Can't push play, can't skip forward....
Also - I don't know if I can agree with IdrA's list of reasons (excuses, if you will). As far as I'm aware, the comp schedule was followed in his game, pushing backdoor (or any part of any map) isn't really "abusive" more so a tactical decision. Map-pool is for tourney admins to decide, and living in S.Korea and signing up for American comps, you surely realize that you will have to play out of your native server.
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I heard HuK doesn't like the lag so he doesn't play in these kind of tournies, so if you sign up to play you have to deal with the consequences if you live in Korea.
Good set of excuses though. Well played ROOT!
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On February 06 2011 21:31 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early? "early" was 3:40 am and shakuras close positions is just as bad or worse than those maps when terran abuses the backdoor path. and it was on american server.
Dont take the illusion away from him, he wants to believe he beat you in a fair game. Beating you in is one of the few accomplishments root has.
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Oh, IdrA and his brainless worshipers...
"I lost because it was middle of the night!" "I lost because the map I once claimed was the best map in the pool is now incredibly imbalanced for zerg!" "I lost because I had lag issues!"
It's like some people are still on the level of an 8-year old. When Jinro lost to SelecT he said he had lag issues, but that in the end his opponent just played well. I think the world will end as soon as IdrA admits that he lost a game because his opponent played well.
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On February 06 2011 22:28 TheCrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 21:31 IdrA wrote:On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early? "early" was 3:40 am and shakuras close positions is just as bad or worse than those maps when terran abuses the backdoor path. and it was on american server. Dont take the illusion away from him, he wants to believe he beat you in a fair game. Beating you in is one of the few accomplishments root has.
is 1v1 not a fair game now? cause he did beat him..there's even proof in a replay!
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No it's OK, it is pretty much impossible to play 100% when playing between NA and Korea, I recently got a Korean account, and you really can't micro at all. I do feel that I had an advantage the whole game, IdrA could have easily stopped my harass at the start ( the bunker is not hard to stop, just have a drone follow the scv, and I go 1 rax FE into blue flame pretty much every TvZ so IdrA should have expected it and prepared a bit better defense, even though it didn't really do a ton of damage ) but the map is pretty imbalanced and there is not much that Z can do in that situation. Hopefully next time we play, it will be on even grounds and we can have a better game.
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On February 06 2011 22:42 drewbie.root wrote:
No it's OK, it is pretty much impossible to play 100% when playing between NA and Korea, I recently got a Korean account, and you really can't micro at all. I do feel that I had an advantage the whole game, IdrA could have easily stopped my harass at the start ( the bunker is not hard to stop, just have a drone follow the scv, and I go 1 rax FE into blue flame pretty much every TvZ so IdrA should have expected it and prepared a bit better defense, even though it didn't really do a ton of damage ) but the map is pretty imbalanced and there is not much that Z can do in that situation. Hopefully next time we play, it will be on even grounds and we can have a better game.
Wow, your sir are too manner (In a good way).
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On February 06 2011 22:42 drewbie.root wrote:
No it's OK, it is pretty much impossible to play 100% when playing between NA and Korea, I recently got a Korean account, and you really can't micro at all. I do feel that I had an advantage the whole game, IdrA could have easily stopped my harass at the start ( the bunker is not hard to stop, just have a drone follow the scv, and I go 1 rax FE into blue flame pretty much every TvZ so IdrA should have expected it and prepared a bit better defense, even though it didn't really do a ton of damage ) but the map is pretty imbalanced and there is not much that Z can do in that situation. Hopefully next time we play, it will be on even grounds and we can have a better game.
great sportsmanship! way to go drewbie!
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On February 06 2011 20:32 hiyo_bye wrote:
GJ ROOT, you guys are awesome. Only got to watch the first half of the idra drewbie game but my guess is that the early harass is what won drewbie the game.
Was one of the factors but Drewbie outplayed IdrA throughout the whole game.
On February 06 2011 22:28 TheCrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 21:31 IdrA wrote:On February 06 2011 19:37 drewbie.root wrote:
are u joking? shakuras is much more favorable than LT / steppes / DQ / jungle basin..... and we played early? "early" was 3:40 am and shakuras close positions is just as bad or worse than those maps when terran abuses the backdoor path. and it was on american server. Dont take the illusion away from him, he wants to believe he beat you in a fair game. Beating you in is one of the few accomplishments root has.
I honestly hope you get at least a warning for this. Insulting a whole team just because they played better than your favourite player, nice.
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well done drewbie... haters gonna hate
very exciting war over all goodjob both teams
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On February 06 2011 22:33 Odoakar wrote:
Oh, IdrA and his brainless worshipers...
"I lost because it was middle of the night!" "I lost because the map I once claimed was the best map in the pool is now incredibly imbalanced for zerg!" "I lost because I had lag issues!"
It's like some people are still on the level of an 8-year old. When Jinro lost to SelecT he said he had lag issues, but that in the end his opponent just played well. I think the world will end as soon as IdrA admits that he lost a game because his opponent played well.
nice job calling other's brainless when you don't even understand the power of phrasing.
What's the difference between:
"It was very laggy"
and
"It was very laggy but my opponent played well nevertheless".
Let me help you:
Both are complaints. One is in disguise (aka "well mannered" *sigh*).
(Calling other's immature after a post like that is btw the icing on the cake. )
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On February 06 2011 22:33 Odoakar wrote:
Oh, IdrA and his brainless worshipers...
"I lost because it was middle of the night!" "I lost because the map I once claimed was the best map in the pool is now incredibly imbalanced for zerg!" "I lost because I had lag issues!"
It's like some people are still on the level of an 8-year old. When Jinro lost to SelecT he said he had lag issues, but that in the end his opponent just played well. I think the world will end as soon as IdrA admits that he lost a game because his opponent played well.
Have you not been watching the recent TvZ's on Shakuras close positions in the GSL? All of the Terrans abuse that back-door push and as we've seen from both Nestea and Idra's games it's incredibly difficult to stop. Yeah Shakuras is a good map, but the fact that 'the best map in the pool' has this lame back-door push is just a sentiment to how bad the maps are in the current situation. I've got nothing against drewbie, but there's no way he can beat Idra given fair conditions.
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On February 06 2011 22:33 Odoakar wrote:
Oh, IdrA and his brainless worshipers...
"I lost because it was middle of the night!" "I lost because the map I once claimed was the best map in the pool is now incredibly imbalanced for zerg!" "I lost because I had lag issues!"
It's like some people are still on the level of an 8-year old. When Jinro lost to SelecT he said he had lag issues, but that in the end his opponent just played well. I think the world will end as soon as IdrA admits that he lost a game because his opponent played well.
You've obviously never playing ZvT when Terran knows how to execute that kind of push. The only times I can remember beating it is when my opponent sucked and didnt realize I build a nydus along the path (usually under the mineral line of the expo), letting me get a surround. If Terran does what he's supposed to though, its ridiculously hard.
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On February 07 2011 00:00 Callous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 22:33 Odoakar wrote:
Oh, IdrA and his brainless worshipers...
"I lost because it was middle of the night!" "I lost because the map I once claimed was the best map in the pool is now incredibly imbalanced for zerg!" "I lost because I had lag issues!"
It's like some people are still on the level of an 8-year old. When Jinro lost to SelecT he said he had lag issues, but that in the end his opponent just played well. I think the world will end as soon as IdrA admits that he lost a game because his opponent played well.
Have you not been watching the recent TvZ's on Shakuras close positions in the GSL? All of the Terrans abuse that back-door push and as we've seen from both Nestea and Idra's games it's incredibly difficult to stop. Yeah Shakuras is a good map, but the fact that 'the best map in the pool' has this lame back-door push is just a sentiment to how bad the maps are in the current situation. I've got nothing against drewbie, but there's no way he can beat Idra given fair conditions.
Obviously, he can.
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People are getting way too bent out of shape over his loss to Drewbie. While I don't think he's better than IdrA, it was smart of him to abuse the choke and push through it since it's pretty much impossible for IdrA to stop it.
The map has severe issues that Terran can exploit but you can't hold it against Drewbie.
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On February 07 2011 00:37 ratMortar wrote:
The map has severe issues that Terran can exploit but you can't hold it against Drewbie.
What the hell are these comments about "abuse" or "Exploiting" etc etc etc?
One could say that IdrA is exploiting the small cost of a hatchery, because its so so cheap, he can get it early. ABUSE!
Zerg is the most mobile race in the Game. With good creep spread down that hallway you can see it coming from a long way away. The narrowness of the corridor also means that marines can't micro very well away from banelings, which means they can only run one way, leaving tanks open.
I can't believe the amount of people crying foul. Its a situational game. In this situation the back corridor was used. It isn't a secret, IdrA knew it was a strong possibility, you can defend it.
Drewbie is too GM to someone that has been very BM to him in the past.. All the more power too you.
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its actually a joke that drewbie can beat idra. the guys terrible in comparison. his micro is bad, letting marnies stand still and clumped up vs blings in that game for example. his macro is bad, or his build orders are just badly thought out. in both of the games ive watched him in recently hes had like 1000 gas 10 minutes into the game. not only that but hes stupid enough to all in with all his scvs vs a protoss *whilst he was building an expansion command center*
its pretty much proof that terran needs to be toned down especially with some of these pushes thru the rocks on scrap station and shakuras for example.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 07 2011 08:58 imbs wrote:
its actually a joke that drewbie can beat idra. the guys terrible in comparison. his micro is bad, letting marnies stand still and clumped up vs blings in that game for example. his macro is bad, or his build orders are just badly thought out. in both of the games ive watched him in recently hes had like 1000 gas 10 minutes into the game. not only that but hes stupid enough to all in with all his scvs vs a protoss *whilst he was building an expansion command center*
its pretty much proof that terran needs to be toned down especially with some of these pushes thru the rocks on scrap station and shakuras for example.
LOL
maybe you should go pro then, since its so easy
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sry m8 cant reply now - sending all my scvs with my attack n expandin at the same time atm
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I think if they were at tourney or on same server IdrA would have come out on top.
Yes, it is not Drewbie's fault that IdrA is in Korea, but there is probably a good amount of lag playing on NA server all the way in Korea so that has to be factored in.
Furthermore, I think in a BO5 or something IdrA would also fare better.
Not even the best can win every single game ;p
Edit: Just wanted to give Drewbie credit, his build was pretty well executed, and it seemed like he was determined to defeat IdrA in that.
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I got a good chuckle out of imbs, he sure knows his stuff.
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Such meaningless drama.
GJ and congratulations to ROOT. It was fun to watch.
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man, idra losing makes some nerds really mad.
A question: Do you chose which player plays on which map or is it random?
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On February 07 2011 09:57 vdale wrote:
man, idra losing makes some nerds really mad.
A question: Do you chose which player plays on which map or is it random?
They choose the player for the map.
Shakuras is kind of 50% loss for zerg now just because of those close positions that idra/drewbie got very very hard to fight in those positions for zerg.
Was well played by drewbie he abused it well that guy who posted earlier on how drewbie is terrible lol such a troll post
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Yes. You are given the maps and then you seed a player on that particular map. It's not like EG or ROOT decided an IdrA vs. Drewbie match, it was just a coincident they were both seeded on Shakuras. Anyways there is no need for anyone to blow this drama out of proportion. Shit happened, everyone moves on.
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People are still trying to bash drewbie? That is pretty petty. Let it go already.
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you're pro or you're imbs , thats life
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On February 07 2011 08:58 imbs wrote:
its actually a joke that drewbie can beat idra. the guys terrible in comparison. his micro is bad, letting marnies stand still and clumped up vs blings in that game for example. his macro is bad, or his build orders are just badly thought out. in both of the games ive watched him in recently hes had like 1000 gas 10 minutes into the game. not only that but hes stupid enough to all in with all his scvs vs a protoss *whilst he was building an expansion command center*
its pretty much proof that terran needs to be toned down especially with some of these pushes thru the rocks on scrap station and shakuras for example.
I wonder how drewbie beat idra and many other PROgamers with poor micro, macro and build orders badly thought out.
he also won against jinro... and jinro is also Terran... and jinro even used his build against MK...
there must be something wrong...
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On February 07 2011 08:58 imbs wrote:
its actually a joke that drewbie can beat idra. the guys terrible in comparison. his micro is bad, letting marnies stand still and clumped up vs blings in that game for example. his macro is bad, or his build orders are just badly thought out. in both of the games ive watched him in recently hes had like 1000 gas 10 minutes into the game. not only that but hes stupid enough to all in with all his scvs vs a protoss *whilst he was building an expansion command center*
its pretty much proof that terran needs to be toned down especially with some of these pushes thru the rocks on scrap station and shakuras for example.
if you're going to attempt to vent, do it on the game and not the player.
Also if you have such great game knowledge and mechanics per your critique, why aren't you winning tournaments (just switch to T obv amirite)
anyway I'm sure drewbie is far above where you'll be in 6 months or even a year for now.
<3 droobinator
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<3 Agh, but you are mistaken.
Obviously once Blizzard balances zerg, imbs will be #2 player in the world behind idra
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m8s u guys seem to be addressin the wrong points. i compared drewbie to idra not to myself. he has massive flaws in his play compared. hes obviously decent but hes not nearly as good as some of the people he beats.
that being said, im pretty sure i was too smart to make the same decision drewbie did where he sent all his scvs whilst expanding when i was born.
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On February 07 2011 08:58 imbs wrote:
its actually a joke that drewbie can beat idra. the guys terrible in comparison. his micro is bad, letting marnies stand still and clumped up vs blings in that game for example. his macro is bad, or his build orders are just badly thought out. in both of the games ive watched him in recently hes had like 1000 gas 10 minutes into the game. not only that but hes stupid enough to all in with all his scvs vs a protoss *whilst he was building an expansion command center*
its pretty much proof that terran needs to be toned down especially with some of these pushes thru the rocks on scrap station and shakuras for example.
This is the the most retarded post i've ever read on TL.
You're bad, drewbie is good. Get your fingers out of the cows butt before you type a post, everything you're saying is bullshit
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Seriously, what's with all the terran hate on teamliquid? I've seen retards like Imbs bash really good terrans for winning against Z and nothing's being done about it. The majority of TL members may be zerg players, but that shouldn't cause half the posts here to erupt into balance discussions with some zerg claiming "herpa derp terran can a-moves with stim and scv bumrush, noob race". Grow up, please.
FYI, I play zerg too, but apparently I don't have the wow-forum syndrome that plagues the trolls on TL.
Also, well played, Drewbie.
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No, IdrA has this following of fan boys, who are very prevalent and vocal, especially after he got some results. You just got to deal with it. There will always be shit disturbers no matter where you go.
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On February 07 2011 11:45 sniverty wrote:
Seriously, what's with all the terran hate on teamliquid? I've seen retards like Imbs bash really good terrans for winning against Z and nothing's being done about it. The majority of TL members may be zerg players, but that shouldn't cause half the posts here to erupt into balance discussions with some zerg claiming "herpa derp terran can a-moves with stim and scv bumrush, noob race". Grow up, please.
FYI, I play zerg too, but apparently I don't have the wow-forum syndrome that plagues the trolls on TL.
Also, well played, Drewbie.
not only do you mimic me with insults, but you add herp derp parody, whining about whining and you also drop insignificant information in an attempt to gain credibility. is it fun to be such a massive hypocrit m8?
i dont even hate terran, i just think its stupid when certain players can beat other superior players soley because of abusive strats only their race can use. this is a fair point to bring up in a thread that talks about a game where it happened?
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ugh
Very disappointing show by EG, especially the comments.
Congrats ROOT, you guys definitely played well out there
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On February 07 2011 12:00 imbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 11:45 sniverty wrote:
Seriously, what's with all the terran hate on teamliquid? I've seen retards like Imbs bash really good terrans for winning against Z and nothing's being done about it. The majority of TL members may be zerg players, but that shouldn't cause half the posts here to erupt into balance discussions with some zerg claiming "herpa derp terran can a-moves with stim and scv bumrush, noob race". Grow up, please.
FYI, I play zerg too, but apparently I don't have the wow-forum syndrome that plagues the trolls on TL.
Also, well played, Drewbie. not only do you mimic me with insults, but you add herp derp parody, whining about whining and you also drop insignificant information in an attempt to gain credibility. is it fun to be such a massive hypocrit m8? i dont even hate terran, i just think its stupid when certain players can beat other superior players soley because of abusive strats only their race can use. this is a fair point to bring up in a thread that talks about a game where it happened?
Hurts when you're on the recieving end of an insult, doesn't it? Next time, think before posting dumb comments about someone else's skill/caliber whatever.
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On February 07 2011 12:49 sniverty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 12:00 imbs wrote:On February 07 2011 11:45 sniverty wrote:
Seriously, what's with all the terran hate on teamliquid? I've seen retards like Imbs bash really good terrans for winning against Z and nothing's being done about it. The majority of TL members may be zerg players, but that shouldn't cause half the posts here to erupt into balance discussions with some zerg claiming "herpa derp terran can a-moves with stim and scv bumrush, noob race". Grow up, please.
FYI, I play zerg too, but apparently I don't have the wow-forum syndrome that plagues the trolls on TL.
Also, well played, Drewbie. not only do you mimic me with insults, but you add herp derp parody, whining about whining and you also drop insignificant information in an attempt to gain credibility. is it fun to be such a massive hypocrit m8? i dont even hate terran, i just think its stupid when certain players can beat other superior players soley because of abusive strats only their race can use. this is a fair point to bring up in a thread that talks about a game where it happened? Hurts when you're on the recieving end of an insult, doesn't it? Next time, think before posting dumb comments about someone else's skill/caliber whatever.
not rly. i was pointing out that you or whoever posted that is a hypocrite this is a random forum i really doubt that drewbie or anyone else for that matter rly cares that much when someone they dont know mocks them.
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50$ says imbs is a teenage girl simply to afraid to tell drew she loves him. I'm not ashamed of it and you shouldn't be either!!
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On February 07 2011 08:36 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 00:37 ratMortar wrote:
The map has severe issues that Terran can exploit but you can't hold it against Drewbie. What the hell are these comments about "abuse" or "Exploiting" etc etc etc? One could say that IdrA is exploiting the small cost of a hatchery, because its so so cheap, he can get it early. ABUSE! Zerg is the most mobile race in the Game. With good creep spread down that hallway you can see it coming from a long way away. The narrowness of the corridor also means that marines can't micro very well away from banelings, which means they can only run one way, leaving tanks open. I can't believe the amount of people crying foul. Its a situational game. In this situation the back corridor was used. It isn't a secret, IdrA knew it was a strong possibility, you can defend it. Drewbie is too GM to someone that has been very BM to him in the past.. All the more power too you.
Look up "exploit".
Drewbie positioned against a choke.
Zergs get raped at chokes.
Shakuras plateau has a very good choke right next to the main spawning points.
I wasn't being sarcastic when I said Drewbie did the smart thing but having a choke so close to the main is something Terrans CAN and probably WILL exploit.
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On February 07 2011 13:08 ratMortar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 08:36 BrahCJ wrote:On February 07 2011 00:37 ratMortar wrote:
The map has severe issues that Terran can exploit but you can't hold it against Drewbie. What the hell are these comments about "abuse" or "Exploiting" etc etc etc? One could say that IdrA is exploiting the small cost of a hatchery, because its so so cheap, he can get it early. ABUSE! Zerg is the most mobile race in the Game. With good creep spread down that hallway you can see it coming from a long way away. The narrowness of the corridor also means that marines can't micro very well away from banelings, which means they can only run one way, leaving tanks open. I can't believe the amount of people crying foul. Its a situational game. In this situation the back corridor was used. It isn't a secret, IdrA knew it was a strong possibility, you can defend it. Drewbie is too GM to someone that has been very BM to him in the past.. All the more power too you. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said Drewbie did the smart thing but having a choke so close to the main is something Terrans CAN and probably WILL exploit.
So zerg should exploit their maneuverability and draw the army back by ding-dong-ditching some supply depots with their Mutas.
A good zerg (ie; IdrA) on their day can (and have to) deny terran from holding such presence on the map. There are many units they can exploit to do this. The pure pace and mass of Zerg needs to be exploited in order to control terran around the map
exploit exploit exploit. Every race, and every map has exploits. When does exploiting simply become "playing the game."
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Why oh why do every EG vs "Some other team" turn into a shitstorm???
Great games, great tournament and then I log onto TL to read about it and its this steaming pile of crap as usual...
Drewbie beat IdrA in favorable positions and favorable latency but it was still a legit win.
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On February 07 2011 21:40 DND_Enkil wrote:
Why oh why do every EG vs "Some other team" turn into a shitstorm???
Great games, great tournament and then I log onto TL to read about it and its this steaming pile of crap as usual...
Drewbie beat IdrA in favorable positions and favorable latency but it was still a legit win.
Its kind of hard to avoid the "shitstorm", e-sports is getting closer and closer to real sports and the discussions/fights/brawls between supporters have never been pretty in sports, we certainly aren't talking about calm discussions. The e-hooligans are here to stay, and in a way I don't really mind (though someone calling imba every game whoever wins is getting old), those terrans will never admit they are playing the ez-mode race anyways (joke)
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Actually Crow it's always been this way even in BW. Players have the tendency to make excuses all the time. As for the whole EG versus everyone else spiel. I don't know, I guess we can call that the Idrama factor for now. It is what it is. Let's move on.
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On February 07 2011 17:27 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 13:08 ratMortar wrote:On February 07 2011 08:36 BrahCJ wrote:On February 07 2011 00:37 ratMortar wrote:
The map has severe issues that Terran can exploit but you can't hold it against Drewbie. What the hell are these comments about "abuse" or "Exploiting" etc etc etc? One could say that IdrA is exploiting the small cost of a hatchery, because its so so cheap, he can get it early. ABUSE! Zerg is the most mobile race in the Game. With good creep spread down that hallway you can see it coming from a long way away. The narrowness of the corridor also means that marines can't micro very well away from banelings, which means they can only run one way, leaving tanks open. I can't believe the amount of people crying foul. Its a situational game. In this situation the back corridor was used. It isn't a secret, IdrA knew it was a strong possibility, you can defend it. Drewbie is too GM to someone that has been very BM to him in the past.. All the more power too you. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said Drewbie did the smart thing but having a choke so close to the main is something Terrans CAN and probably WILL exploit. So zerg should exploit their maneuverability and draw the army back by ding-dong-ditching some supply depots with their Mutas. A good zerg (ie; IdrA) on their day can (and have to) deny terran from holding such presence on the map. There are many units they can exploit to do this. The pure pace and mass of Zerg needs to be exploited in order to control terran around the map exploit exploit exploit. Every race, and every map has exploits. When does exploiting simply become "playing the game."
if you cant see how a guarded nice path to the back of your enemys main directly from your main with a nice tiny choke is a problem zvt(and potentially in other matchups as well) then dont just pull random stuff Z have to do. shakuras is a nice map, the backdoor is a problem in those spawns tho and it was just a matter of time till the use of that get standart.
still dont hate the player. there is no reason to push thru a big long distance middle(plus the backdoor to worry about) when you can safely push at the back.
On February 07 2011 22:41 TheCrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 21:40 DND_Enkil wrote:
Why oh why do every EG vs "Some other team" turn into a shitstorm???
Great games, great tournament and then I log onto TL to read about it and its this steaming pile of crap as usual...
Drewbie beat IdrA in favorable positions and favorable latency but it was still a legit win. Its kind of hard to avoid the "shitstorm", e-sports is getting closer and closer to real sports and the discussions/fights/brawls between supporters have never been pretty in sports, we certainly aren't talking about calm discussions. The e-hooligans are here to stay, and in a way I don't really mind (though someone calling imba every game whoever wins is getting old), those terrans will never admit they are playing the ez-mode race anyways (joke)
ye true. but the difference is that in real sports the viewers dont always assume to know evrything and be better then the players 
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On February 06 2011 22:42 drewbie.root wrote:
No it's OK, it is pretty much impossible to play 100% when playing between NA and Korea, I recently got a Korean account, and you really can't micro at all. I do feel that I had an advantage the whole game, IdrA could have easily stopped my harass at the start ( the bunker is not hard to stop, just have a drone follow the scv, and I go 1 rax FE into blue flame pretty much every TvZ so IdrA should have expected it and prepared a bit better defense, even though it didn't really do a ton of damage ) but the map is pretty imbalanced and there is not much that Z can do in that situation. Hopefully next time we play, it will be on even grounds and we can have a better game.
A hero.
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On February 07 2011 22:52 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: ye true. but the difference is that in real sports the viewers dont always assume to know evrything and be better then the players
I respectfully disagree. Tons and tons and tons upon supporters think the coach is an idiot for putting in that player, or think the player was an idiot for not passing or for being too greedy with the ball etc. And this is often coming from people that has never even played the game. At least most e-sports supporters play the game actively every day.
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Wow, for a moment I thought I was on the battlenet-Forums with all the imba qq be it openly or "cleverly" disguised as a joke :/
Congrats to Root, especially on the way they express themselves here on the forums, like true winners, kudos!
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Drewbiw so manner
Good games guys. Obv Idra had some lag issues but still a good game. As good as he is anyone can drop games in this game, and no shame losing to Drewbie. Jeez so much drama on TL t.t
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