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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
January 27 2011 20:17 GMT
#41
On January 28 2011 05:11 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 05:08 SmoKim wrote:
thank god MorroW and Moonglade is in seperate groups

Might actually be bad since it reduces the chances of seeing a zerg make it past the group stage.

That's true but I hope they invite some Korean zergs since only one zerg actually won the qualifier.
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
January 27 2011 20:19 GMT
#42
On January 28 2011 05:11 Seronei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 05:08 SmoKim wrote:
thank god MorroW and Moonglade is in seperate groups

Might actually be bad since it reduces the chances of seeing a zerg make it past the group stage.

Even if you're a zerg player (I am), stop rooting for zerg players in tournaments, it's bad for your health. Not all the defenses for zerg are worked out well so any zerg can lose against almost anybody in 1 or 2 games, like PvP but with all 3 match-ups.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 21:31:45
January 27 2011 21:29 GMT
#43
Actually I'd totally be fine with inviting all of the GSL winners. You'd have 2 Zerg FD and NesTea; 1 toss MC; and 1 Terran MVP/MKP.
You end up with 2 of the best zergs in Korea, yet both weaker than..... The best toss in Korea and the best Terran in Korea.
Having 2 would make up for them being good but not as good.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
norlock
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands918 Posts
January 27 2011 21:33 GMT
#44
On January 28 2011 06:29 Shinta) wrote:
Actually I'd totally be fine with inviting all of the GSL winners. You'd have 2 Zerg FD and NesTea; 1 toss MC; and 1 Terran MVP/MKP.
You end up with 2 of the best zergs in Korea, yet both weaker than..... The best toss in Korea and the best Terran in Korea.
Having 2 would make up for them being good but not as good.


Isn't that still going to be one sided victory for Korea? I think they want a balanced tournament with not a clear winner. Adding top of the top koreans can make it really grim.
Are you human?
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
January 27 2011 21:49 GMT
#45
On January 28 2011 03:23 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 03:21 MrSpider wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:17 SmoKim wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:12 MrSpider wrote:
If they invite the best of the Korean top programers like MVP, MKP, MC, Nestea it will be a massacre, they are too strong.
Also MVP, MKP, MC, Nestea wont be at 100%, the cash prizes and the glory are just so small compare to GSL.
It will be better to invite great names of the top code A player or middle code S player like Boxer, Nada, July, Moon, Clide, Inca, Check or others to make it more challenging. And this will be funny to watch : how Sjow, Tarson, White-ra and Demuslim will face them, they are the top european and I think they will have a chance.(but not against MC, MVP, etc...)
BLizzard didn't made a mistake when they invited Maka and Genius(who are good players but not the best korean), they were superior in the whole tournament but had quite difficulties versus Select, White ra and Loner.


they were not invited, but qualifed through a Blizzard Tournament, infact all the rest of Blizzcon players were invites, but not the 2 koreans



Hmm strange, are you sure?
http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/tournaments/starcraft.xml
"We’ve also invited 16 of the top StarCraft II players in the world to participate in the first-ever BlizzCon StarCraft II Invitational"

yes, fairly sure u can find it in TLPD.

RedArchon and iceiceice were also chosen to go to the grand finals after getting 1st and 2nd in the SEA Blizzcon Invitational which of course is meant to serve as a qualifier for the grand finals. Every region afaik had a Regional Blizzcon Invitational in which Blizzard invited the top ladder players to claim themselves regional champions and qualify themselves for the Global Finals.
I do know however that this year Blizzard was slow and late in their preparations, and thus some of the regional championships such as the LA Blizzard Invitational were held even after Blizzcon so Blizzard just guessed who they thought would have won the tournament if they had done it on time. They guessed Fenix and Capoch, thus those two players went to Blizzcon, however the real results ended up being dKilleR 1st and Fenix 2nd, so speaking truly, KilleR was denied his spot because Blizzard was behind schedule with their regional invitationals and guessed that KilleR wasn't as good as Capoch.
The reason they call it the Blizzcon Invitational is not because there were no qualifiers, it's because there is supposed to be an Invitation ONLY qualifier for each region, in which people earn an invitation by performing well in their server's ladder.
I'm not sure if the US and EU invitationals were held before or after Blizzcon, and I'm also not sure Asia had an invitational at all (I would guess that they did and I didn't look into it and thus didn't hear about it) but I'm sure next year the system will work properly and what I explained above will be carried out properly.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
f0rk
Profile Joined March 2010
England172 Posts
January 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#46
Because I know some people care

CS 1.6
Group A
TyLoo
compLexity
TCM-Gaming
Meet Your Makers
Frag eXecutors
mTw
Group B
TBD
Evil Geniuses
SK Gaming
Lions
Na`Vi
fnatic

Quake Live
Group A
k1llsen
strenx
Vo0
DaHang
fazz
av3k
Group B
czm
Cooller
Cypher
Spart1e
rapha
Dandaking

Both ridiculous, particularly the B groups.

http://www.hltv.org/news/6103-iem5-world-cship-group-draw
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2026857
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 27 2011 22:13 GMT
#47
On January 28 2011 03:21 MrSpider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 03:17 SmoKim wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:12 MrSpider wrote:
If they invite the best of the Korean top programers like MVP, MKP, MC, Nestea it will be a massacre, they are too strong.
Also MVP, MKP, MC, Nestea wont be at 100%, the cash prizes and the glory are just so small compare to GSL.
It will be better to invite great names of the top code A player or middle code S player like Boxer, Nada, July, Moon, Clide, Inca, Check or others to make it more challenging. And this will be funny to watch : how Sjow, Tarson, White-ra and Demuslim will face them, they are the top european and I think they will have a chance.(but not against MC, MVP, etc...)
BLizzard didn't made a mistake when they invited Maka and Genius(who are good players but not the best korean), they were superior in the whole tournament but had quite difficulties versus Select, White ra and Loner.


they were not invited, but qualifed through a Blizzard Tournament, infact all the rest of Blizzcon players were invites, but not the 2 koreans



Hmm strange, are you sure?
http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/tournaments/starcraft.xml
"We’ve also invited 16 of the top StarCraft II players in the world to participate in the first-ever BlizzCon StarCraft II Invitational"


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154069

here you go
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
January 27 2011 22:24 GMT
#48
On January 28 2011 06:49 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 03:23 Sfydjklm wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:21 MrSpider wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:17 SmoKim wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:12 MrSpider wrote:
If they invite the best of the Korean top programers like MVP, MKP, MC, Nestea it will be a massacre, they are too strong.
Also MVP, MKP, MC, Nestea wont be at 100%, the cash prizes and the glory are just so small compare to GSL.
It will be better to invite great names of the top code A player or middle code S player like Boxer, Nada, July, Moon, Clide, Inca, Check or others to make it more challenging. And this will be funny to watch : how Sjow, Tarson, White-ra and Demuslim will face them, they are the top european and I think they will have a chance.(but not against MC, MVP, etc...)
BLizzard didn't made a mistake when they invited Maka and Genius(who are good players but not the best korean), they were superior in the whole tournament but had quite difficulties versus Select, White ra and Loner.


they were not invited, but qualifed through a Blizzard Tournament, infact all the rest of Blizzcon players were invites, but not the 2 koreans



Hmm strange, are you sure?
http://us.blizzard.com/blizzcon/tournaments/starcraft.xml
"We’ve also invited 16 of the top StarCraft II players in the world to participate in the first-ever BlizzCon StarCraft II Invitational"

yes, fairly sure u can find it in TLPD.

RedArchon and iceiceice were also chosen to go to the grand finals after getting 1st and 2nd in the SEA Blizzcon Invitational which of course is meant to serve as a qualifier for the grand finals. Every region afaik had a Regional Blizzcon Invitational in which Blizzard invited the top ladder players to claim themselves regional champions and qualify themselves for the Global Finals.
I do know however that this year Blizzard was slow and late in their preparations, and thus some of the regional championships such as the LA Blizzard Invitational were held even after Blizzcon so Blizzard just guessed who they thought would have won the tournament if they had done it on time. They guessed Fenix and Capoch, thus those two players went to Blizzcon, however the real results ended up being dKilleR 1st and Fenix 2nd, so speaking truly, KilleR was denied his spot because Blizzard was behind schedule with their regional invitationals and guessed that KilleR wasn't as good as Capoch.
The reason they call it the Blizzcon Invitational is not because there were no qualifiers, it's because there is supposed to be an Invitation ONLY qualifier for each region, in which people earn an invitation by performing well in their server's ladder.
I'm not sure if the US and EU invitationals were held before or after Blizzcon, and I'm also not sure Asia had an invitational at all (I would guess that they did and I didn't look into it and thus didn't hear about it) but I'm sure next year the system will work properly and what I explained above will be carried out properly.

there were no qualifiers for EU/Russia/US. They just invited who they thought would be the best.
qxc
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States550 Posts
January 27 2011 22:40 GMT
#49
US invitations were done based on ladder ranking afaik
ProgamerDesigner of Aeon's End
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 23:10:59
January 27 2011 23:10 GMT
#50
Great players so far, will be very interesting seeing how well they stack up against the koreans.
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
January 27 2011 23:11 GMT
#51
On January 28 2011 06:33 norlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 06:29 Shinta) wrote:
Actually I'd totally be fine with inviting all of the GSL winners. You'd have 2 Zerg FD and NesTea; 1 toss MC; and 1 Terran MVP/MKP.
You end up with 2 of the best zergs in Korea, yet both weaker than..... The best toss in Korea and the best Terran in Korea.
Having 2 would make up for them being good but not as good.


Isn't that still going to be one sided victory for Korea? I think they want a balanced tournament with not a clear winner. Adding top of the top koreans can make it really grim.


Well, it also decreases the legitimacy of this as a world championship of sorts if you intentionally don't invite the top players from a certain region.
What this
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 27 2011 23:19 GMT
#52
Well, nestea has already proven that he can only drop games against MVP, while MVP has a 92% win rate against terrans (which make the majority of top-level euro players), MC has insane play in all matchups and MKP, well, his marines are imba. I think they should invite them, since they are the 4 best koreans right now, but in that case we should be prepared for some korean ownage in the tournament.

NesTea = Most definitely the best zerg in the world, there's none like him.

MVP = Best player right now, his decision making is insane and his mechanics are also at the top, plus, he's been on fire for a very long time now

MKP = 2nd best terran in the world, and he has spiced up his marine play quite a bit

MC = He's so calm about decision making, pushing mostly at correct timings with the right compositions, he'll be very hard to beat for anyone.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
January 27 2011 23:38 GMT
#53
On January 28 2011 08:19 mordk wrote:
Well, nestea has already proven that he can only drop games against MVP, while MVP has a 92% win rate against terrans (which make the majority of top-level euro players), MC has insane play in all matchups and MKP, well, his marines are imba. I think they should invite them, since they are the 4 best koreans right now, but in that case we should be prepared for some korean ownage in the tournament.

NesTea = Most definitely the best zerg in the world, there's none like him.

MVP = Best player right now, his decision making is insane and his mechanics are also at the top, plus, he's been on fire for a very long time now

MKP = 2nd best terran in the world, and he has spiced up his marine play quite a bit

MC = He's so calm about decision making, pushing mostly at correct timings with the right compositions, he'll be very hard to beat for anyone.


You basically picked the line up that is going to kill the foreign terrans, lol
BaLoO-
Profile Joined January 2011
France318 Posts
January 27 2011 23:42 GMT
#54
Pfff ... i really hope they will invite the best of the bests (something like MVP MKP Nestea MC), if the foreigners cannot compete now they will never do. And i'm curious to see if it would be so easy for koreans. At blizzcon, Genius had problems against Loner who is probaby not that far above the best euro-terrans (if he is, which is not even sure), he also didn't win that easily against White-Ra in winner bracket, and White-Ra improved A LOT since BlizzCon. On top of that koreans are used to prepare one match after one another, whereas they will yet have to rely on classical builds, not on builds they will have done 1000 time the week before their matches. They would certainly take the tournaments, but it wouldn't be that easy, and i seriously doubt they could do it in a BW-way, making top4 of the tournament.
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
January 28 2011 09:26 GMT
#55
On January 28 2011 03:18 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting they allow QXC (2nd place at NYC) but not IdrA, 2nd place Cologne. Any reason?


Only a Global Challenge winner can qualify directly to the IEM World Championship. The rest need to go through their respective Continental Championships to qualify. Two slots were assigned to the Americas, four to Europe and five to Asia.
www.intelextrememasters.com
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
January 28 2011 09:28 GMT
#56
wow QL group B...cypher/coolller/rapha
epic!
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 28 2011 09:31 GMT
#57
On January 28 2011 18:26 Carmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 03:18 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting they allow QXC (2nd place at NYC) but not IdrA, 2nd place Cologne. Any reason?


Only a Global Challenge winner can qualify directly to the IEM World Championship. The rest need to go through their respective Continental Championships to qualify. Two slots were assigned to the Americas, four to Europe and five to Asia.


so will this mean that there will also be a Global Challenge at Cologne in august together with the IEM world Championship in March?

i thought that those 2 were the same thing, but i would love if it was 2 events instead
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
January 28 2011 09:40 GMT
#58
On January 28 2011 18:28 Toxi78 wrote:
wow QL group B...cypher/coolller/rapha
epic!


This, with the korean sc2-players not being announced yet, I'm actually more excited about the QL groups right now lol.

Having cooller vs rapha already in the groupstages will be amazing, although I have to admit I would've liked to see cooller vs strenx, hehe.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
wopaahh
Profile Joined January 2011
150 Posts
January 28 2011 09:43 GMT
#59
even if they do invite the top koreans it isnt certain theyd come. didnt nestea(?) say something that he'll only concentrate on gsl, when he was asked about foreign events
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
January 28 2011 10:08 GMT
#60
On January 28 2011 18:31 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2011 18:26 Carmac wrote:
On January 28 2011 03:18 1Eris1 wrote:
Hmm, interesting they allow QXC (2nd place at NYC) but not IdrA, 2nd place Cologne. Any reason?


Only a Global Challenge winner can qualify directly to the IEM World Championship. The rest need to go through their respective Continental Championships to qualify. Two slots were assigned to the Americas, four to Europe and five to Asia.


so will this mean that there will also be a Global Challenge at Cologne in august together with the IEM world Championship in March?

i thought that those 2 were the same thing, but i would love if it was 2 events instead



They are indeed 2 different events. I'm not sure if IEM do it every year but they held two global challenge last season at gamescom / in Shanghai.
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