This will be an amazing war, ONE has shown great performance lately with ONECrunCher taking the Team Liquid Open #3 and taking out ROOT Gaming last week in the SGL! EG is the American powerhouse, probably rated the best team in North America! They seem to have hit a slump as of late, but regardless they are an amazing force to be reckoned with! Having gained a variety of tournament wins and with players such as EGIdrA competing in the GSL and the recently signed DeMusliM performing very well in the European scene they just keep getting stronger!
Can the underrated up and comers All 4 One Gaming take out the powerhouse of EG?
Best of Luck to both Teams I am going to go with Team EG with this one seeing we have deep ties with them . I hope they allow IdrA that would be HUGE for this match and make for Great games . Hopefully Team ONE will have the Class and allow it to be.
On January 24 2011 11:51 BlueCow wrote: Technically all newly added players are barred for 1 week, unless of course the other team agrees to allow barred players.
Well, I'm sure it was due to the GSL. It's ONE's right to refuse Idra joining the line-up, but I think it's bad mannered. Winning the series without the other team's best player, seems like an empty victory to me.
On January 24 2011 11:56 Kyhol wrote: I wasn't aloud to play in this league until I was in the team for a week, why should he be treated different?
two wrongs don't make a right. I'm sorry the other team (whatever team it was) didn't allow you to play. ONE can be the better team by allowing Idra to play.
On January 24 2011 11:56 Kyhol wrote: I wasn't aloud to play in this league until I was in the team for a week, why should he be treated different?
Did you ask the other team to let you play? (and if you did ask and they said no, what teams?)
Yeah, I want to know, too. Did you ask the other team if you could play? And if they said, no, what were the teams? It's pretty petty of the teams to deny a player to play.
just interjecting before you all hate on kyhol and ONE. im not sure if the manager of ONE has disallowed it, and if he does he is within his rights. idra been on EG's roster for some months, if they had submitted him to SGL from the start, wouldn't have this problem now =/
well, i guess the rule is in place to prevent ringers. you'd be good mannered to allow idra since obviously idra is not just a ringer, but rules are rules and tbh you should take as much advantage out of them as possible.
then of course, there's the fact that idra is way better than all of you. if you value your success over your pride, barring him is that much more of a good idea
On January 24 2011 12:07 acie wrote: It's not petty, its the rules, everybody plays by the same rules mmmkay?
Plus, you play to win the game, it would be a pretty dumb strat to let idra play if u didn't have to.
Also, the rule states that the other opposing team can allow a player who's wait-listed to play. ONE is being petty by denying Idra, even though EG has asked ONE's permission.
Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
lol are you seroius? rofl what a joke thanks for letting us know!
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
what? lolol.
Was this said by ONE as a joke? Or was it crafted by incontrol
letting idra play will only be beneficial to the whole encounter : not only will it add more viewers to the stream but it will also give team One a chance to play and maybe win against Idra... That is why they should let him play.
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
u mad?
oh he mad cuz you've been "stylin" on him and ONE.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
what? lolol.
Was this said by ONE as a joke? Or was it crafted by incontrol
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
u mad?
oh he mad cuz you've been "stylin" on him and ONE.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
Wow, are you serious? This isn't one of your trademark sarcastic post, right?
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
:D I love you, this made me laugh really hard for some reason.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
u mad?
oh he mad cuz you've been "stylin" on him and ONE.
Of course they aren't going to let idra play if they can help it, it would be roughly as stupid as letting flash or jaedong play for KT/OZ when you could have the option to stop them from playing and face a much weaker (though still decent) team.
Oh and btw, iNcontrol, do you recall last week when one of my players tried to play Jungle Basin in our match and EG respectfully denied the request as it wasn't in the SCL map pool.
On January 24 2011 12:36 RuMCaKe wrote: Oh and btw, iNcontrol, do you recall last week when one of my players tried to play Jungle Basin in our match and EG respectfully denied the request as it wasn't in the SCL map pool.
I'm sorry, are you comparing not allowing a team to use their primary player to not being allowed to host a map that isn't in the map pool?
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
You should let him play because its what we, the viewers, want to see. We are the reason theres a stream, a thread on TL, a Caster and a lot of people watching your clan and EG fight it out.
If you can't beat EG without playing IdrA, you aren't beating EG.
Coming from someone that's been making false quotes? I'm not going to start a flame war with you or your team because I have a lot of respect for you guys. If you just perform better then you did last week you guys should be good to handle us for sure.
On January 24 2011 12:36 RuMCaKe wrote: Oh and btw, iNcontrol, do you recall last week when one of my players tried to play Jungle Basin in our match and EG respectfully denied the request as it wasn't in the SCL map pool.
I'm sorry, are you comparing not allowing a team to use their primary player to not being allowed to host a map that isn't in the map pool?
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
You should let him play because its what we, the viewers, want to see. We are the reason theres a stream, a thread on TL, a Caster and a lot of people watching your clan and EG fight it out.
If you can't beat EG without playing IdrA, you aren't beating EG.
Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I wholeheartedly agree.
On January 24 2011 12:40 RuMCaKe wrote: Coming from someone that's been making false quotes? I'm not going to start a flame war with you or your team because I have a lot of respect for you guys. If you just perform better then you did last week you guys should be good to handle us for sure.
On January 24 2011 12:36 RuMCaKe wrote: Oh and btw, iNcontrol, do you recall last week when one of my players tried to play Jungle Basin in our match and EG respectfully denied the request as it wasn't in the SCL map pool.
I'm sorry, are you comparing not allowing a team to use their primary player to not being allowed to host a map that isn't in the map pool?
Are you retarded?
It's the fear of the grack. Yes, the fear of the grack.
On January 24 2011 12:40 RuMCaKe wrote: Coming from someone that's been making false quotes? I'm not going to start a flame war with you or your team because I have a lot of respect for you guys. If you just perform better then you did last week you guys should be good to handle us for sure.
On January 24 2011 12:36 RuMCaKe wrote: Oh and btw, iNcontrol, do you recall last week when one of my players tried to play Jungle Basin in our match and EG respectfully denied the request as it wasn't in the SCL map pool.
I'm sorry, are you comparing not allowing a team to use their primary player to not being allowed to host a map that isn't in the map pool?
Are you retarded?
Ok.. so now you are comparing being retarded to making "false quotes."
What?
Dude you new at this? You guys have a PR person or something? Cause I can't imagine someone fumbling this around more o-O
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
what? lolol.
Was this said by ONE as a joke? Or was it crafted by incontrol
Looks crafted, but the gist of it remains reasonable.
Not like incontrol made that quote with the intent on it being taken seriously but now everyone can call him a douchebag who makes up quotes.
This is pretty sad. "ONE" of the two sides should stop posting here and stirring things up >.< If you are gunna follow the rules that's cool, dont work so hard to defend yourself if you think its the right thing to do.
EG. wants u guys to get flamed, and ur just fueling the fire atm >.< GL though, should be a good war~
TL.net: RELEASE THE GRACKEN RuMCaKe: It's against the rules TL.net: what RuMCaKe: It's against the rules! Idra: u mad? RuMCaKe: I'm not mad at all. It's against the rules! Idra: u mad
LOL whats funny is that ONE's lineup is full of scrubs. Half of the people there gets owned so bad on QXC's stream and bubbles had to cheese to win xD. not to mention cruncher epicly failing to 4gate idra a few days back hahahaha. it wont be suprising for them to do mass cheese
On January 24 2011 12:55 ptbl wrote: TL.net: RELEASE THE GRACKEN RuMCaKe: It's against the rules TL.net: what RuMCaKe: It's against the rules! Idra: u mad? RuMCaKe: I'm not mad at all. It's against the rules! Idra: u mad
On January 24 2011 12:54 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: This is pretty sad. "ONE" of the two sides should stop posting here and stirring things up >.< If you are gunna follow the rules that's cool, dont work so hard to defend yourself if you think its the right thing to do.
EG. wants u guys to get flamed, and ur just fueling the fire atm >.< GL though, should be a good war~
Nobody is claiming that they did anything wrong. They just could have allowed a EG member to play but were allowed to decline it because of a rule stipulation.
Could we have added IdrA earlier? Yep. Could they have accepted IdrA today? Yep.
On January 24 2011 12:55 BlueCow wrote: If EG had added idra to their roster sooner this whole situation could have been avoided.
The rule is to stop clans from 'recruiting' players for a day to beat another clan. Idra has been on EG for months and as a result should be allowed to play. ONE simply wants the win so badly, they are going to lower themselves to this level.
Their argument seems to be that Idra has been on EG for like 4 months now and that ONE should set aside the fact that they didn't put Idra in the SCL lineup for the past 4 months, and allow him to play.
ONE feels no need to hurt their chances of a win over EG, so they aren't going to give EG the benefit of bypassing what is a written rule.
Throw in some shit talk by a few ONE and EG members here and there and bam, you got a LR thread!
On January 24 2011 13:08 Manifesto7 wrote: Hey EG, how about you stop baiting this guy for following the rules and slow down that big bandwagon of yours. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure that most people here just want to see Idra play.
Eg members should carry themselves better even if it is only on forum. Pretty disappoint to see Incontrol and Idra acting like 16 year olds instead of acting professionally since they are sponsored.
On January 24 2011 13:15 baoluvboa wrote: Eg members should carry themselves better even if it is only on forum. Pretty disappoint to see Incontrol and Idra acting like 16 year olds instead of acting professionally since they are sponsored.
On January 24 2011 13:08 Manifesto7 wrote: Hey EG, how about you stop baiting this guy for following the rules and slow down that big bandwagon of yours. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure that most people here just want to see Idra play.
Why? We see Idra all the time in the GSL? I'm excited to see CrunCher, Kyhol, Machine, Inc, Axslav, and the rest just as much as I would be if Idra was playing. These are all good players.
On January 24 2011 13:08 Manifesto7 wrote: Hey EG, how about you stop baiting this guy for following the rules and slow down that big bandwagon of yours. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure that most people here just want to see Idra play.
Why? We see Idra all the time in the GSL? I'm excited to see CrunCher, Kyhol, Machine, Inc, Axslav, and the rest just as much as I would be if Idra was playing. These are all good players.
On January 24 2011 13:15 baoluvboa wrote: Eg members should carry themselves better even if it is only on forum. Pretty disappoint to see Incontrol and Idra acting like 16 year olds instead of acting professionally since they are sponsored.
What you got against sponsoring 16 year olds?
DAAAAAAAAAMNNNN YOU GONNA TAKE THAT BAOLUVBOA?!? oh shit, yo these ONE guys are just trying to get that extra salty runback, incontrols just scared because he lost an epic game to cruncher last week well now he's trying to release grack on them.
Just let them play Idra otherwise you got that big curly moustache on your face
On January 24 2011 13:08 Manifesto7 wrote: Hey EG, how about you stop baiting this guy for following the rules and slow down that big bandwagon of yours. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure that most people here just want to see Idra play.
Why? We see Idra all the time in the GSL? I'm excited to see CrunCher, Kyhol, Machine, Inc, Axslav, and the rest just as much as I would be if Idra was playing. These are all good players.
well your one of a kind .
i guess the 300viewers on the stream are one of a kind.
On January 24 2011 13:08 Manifesto7 wrote: Hey EG, how about you stop baiting this guy for following the rules and slow down that big bandwagon of yours. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure that most people here just want to see Idra play.
Why? We see Idra all the time in the GSL? I'm excited to see CrunCher, Kyhol, Machine, Inc, Axslav, and the rest just as much as I would be if Idra was playing. These are all good players.
well your one of a kind .
i guess the 300viewers on the stream are one of a kind.
um I think you completely misread what I meant by my post never said don't want to watch but most people would like to see Idra play.
On January 24 2011 13:30 Mirhi wrote: Funny how Cruncher won the TL Open yesterday and he's a random "scrub".
Silly fan boys.
To be fair, that replay JP and Idra went over when Idra hit Cruncher on the NA ladder made him look like a random scrub, and it's not like he's really been on the radar apart from the last TL Open at all.
On January 24 2011 13:33 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: Lol Zlasher thats more like it! :D
At iNcontroL's request I'll talk more like Yipes and Skisonic from now on.
On January 24 2011 13:30 Mirhi wrote: Funny how Cruncher won the TL Open yesterday and he's a random "scrub".
Silly fan boys.
OH SHI what you got against EG?!?!? pissed that they're stealing all your torch fanboys???
It's cool though I mean if I were in vT I'd probably call out EG too in the attempts to maybe gain some hype up to their GCPL meetup.
Get that mango sentinel up in this bitch
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I wish anybody other than maybe FakeSteve even knows anything about the fighting games community or about any of the crap I'm saying, I feel like its just going to go in one ear and out the other on teamliquid... *sigh*
I have nothing against EG, I like their players and management. I just think it's stupid that people are bashing ONE in this thread considering they beat EG in their last match and Cruncher just won the TL Open.
On January 24 2011 13:54 Mirhi wrote: I have nothing against EG, I like their players and management. I just think it's stupid that people are bashing ONE in this thread considering they beat EG in their last match and Cruncher just won the TL Open.
Luckily for Cruncher, Starcraft 2 has shown that doing a solid 4 gate can get you anywhere.
On January 24 2011 13:54 Mirhi wrote: I have nothing against EG, I like their players and management. I just think it's stupid that people are bashing ONE in this thread considering they beat EG in their last match and Cruncher just won the TL Open.
Luckily for Cruncher, Starcraft 2 has shown that doing a solid 4 gate can get you anywhere.
Cruncher played 5gate in semis of tlopen and 1 4gate in the final game against fenix because fenix was doing a greedy build but otherwise cruncher is a solid player who used good builds. What have you done in the first place to be able to judge anyone in this game ?
On January 24 2011 13:54 Mirhi wrote: I have nothing against EG, I like their players and management. I just think it's stupid that people are bashing ONE in this thread considering they beat EG in their last match and Cruncher just won the TL Open.
Luckily for Cruncher, Starcraft 2 has shown that doing a solid 4 gate can get you anywhere.
I take it you didn't see his games in the TSL where he played 2 long macro games against Fenix, 3-0ing him? Or maybe the game against incontrol in our last match against EG where they each had 3 motherships?
On January 24 2011 13:15 baoluvboa wrote: Eg members should carry themselves better even if it is only on forum. Pretty disappoint to see Incontrol and Idra acting like 16 year olds instead of acting professionally since they are sponsored.
What you got against sponsoring 16 year olds?
I was gonna write a post supporting ONE's decision, but then I saw this post. Incontrol, I approve of you sticking up for sponsored 16 year olds. Though I'm 15. Same idea.
In all seriousness though, I don't know why the idra issue is so contested. Both teams know the rules. Complaining about someone following fair rules that have been used in clan leagues for years seems a bit silly. Would it be mannered for ONE to let idra play? Sure, but they want to win the CW, and they're following the rules, so I don't think it's fair to hold that against them. Administration mistakes cost you in the real world just the same, deadlines are deadlines.
On January 24 2011 13:54 Mirhi wrote: I have nothing against EG, I like their players and management. I just think it's stupid that people are bashing ONE in this thread considering they beat EG in their last match and Cruncher just won the TL Open.
Luckily for Cruncher, Starcraft 2 has shown that doing a solid 4 gate can get you anywhere.
On January 24 2011 14:26 iNcontroL wrote: cheeeeeeeeeeeeseeeeee
I see both cheddar and mozzarella.
I am disappoint.
Its almost unpleasant to watch someone do an extremely aggressive play and fail miserably, and still be able to follow up with two more very potent builds that will win if not scouted and countered perfectly.
wait... I'm not sure what's going on here So EG lets ONE sub in cruncher, but ONE won't let EG sub in Idra. And now ONE is being a bad sport about it? I'm so confused
Just like in soccer if you see someone on the other team is hurt, you kick the ball out to show good sportsmanship not run to the goal because you have an advantage.
But I guess internet tourneys are serious business and take every advantage that is given to you.
*If stream cheating/ghosting wasn't specifically wrote down in the rules, would you do it?* Most likely not because it shows good sportsmanship
Think incontrol should have pulled his probes on the first push, he would have cleaned it out completely while losing 1 or 2 probes. Instead he lost a 2 stalker and a zealot for nothing Sad face for EG
ummm its not up to the other team whether or not EG can sub in IdrA, the league rules say that each team has 3 subs per season and they can use them whenever they want. It's not ONE's fault ...
On January 24 2011 14:43 Darpa wrote: Think incontrol should have pulled his probes on the first push, he would have cleaned it out completely while losing 1 or 2 probes. Sad face for EG
Ax did that the first game and that still didn't stop the Marauders from storming.
On January 24 2011 14:40 GenoZStriker wrote: They used a sub card. IdrA's case is a different story
Wait so how come EG can't use a sub card? I'm just confused by the rules that don't let EG sub someone in while the other team gets a sub
Because IdrA was technically not in the line-up and was added recently. A player that is added to the teams line-up has to wait a week I believe to be eligible to play.
I don't see how any team could lose two clanwars to ONE. After a certain number of games (say, four) it becomes clear that there's only one style of play that needs to be defended against.
On January 24 2011 14:46 motbob wrote: I don't see how any team could lose two clanwars to ONE. After a certain number of games (say, four) it becomes clear that there's only one style of play that needs to be defended against.
We were discussing the one build he does in axslav's games... I honestly at this point don't know how to stop it. Close positions at least.
Had I a chance to do it over I think I'd do the same thing maybe with more probes in the first fight AND give up the ramp and just wait as long as possible.
I understand why their clan tag is ONE now. One base, One strategy and One race, gj. Now I understand why people get so mad whenever they play me on ladder, they're expecting the same strategies this clan uses from a Terran.
I just don't understand how incontrol could have come back from that push. :/
On January 24 2011 14:46 motbob wrote: I don't see how any team could lose two clanwars to ONE. After a certain number of games (say, four) it becomes clear that there's only one style of play that needs to be defended against.
Richmand didn't play in the first CW. The first CW came down to the last map and last battle between iNc and Cruncher. This one was just an unfortunate case where they weren't able to stop the two rax Marauder push despite seeing it all three times.
nice clanwar, EG has been doing a lot better in clanwars in the last week or so, sorta breakin that curse they had almost since the beta. they got a pretty killer 2v2 too, and i believe they 4-0'd fnatic, earlier today, REALLY impressive. was sorta hoping for the streak to continue but there is no shame in losing to ONE, gg's!
On January 24 2011 14:51 BlueCow wrote: Its kind of sad to see how immature people on TL are considering the prestige this website holds in the e-sports community, I honestly expected more.
All in all great war, very entertaining games, looking forward to seeing IdrA perform in the future.
those last three games weren't entertaining to me (and obviously to others). Its pretty immature to assume others feel the same as you.
Also not sure how you expected more, this consistently happens in LR threads.
Either way first couple games were pretty entertaining and look forward to seeing a full line up rematch in the future.
On January 24 2011 14:51 BlueCow wrote: Its kind of sad to see how immature people on TL are considering the prestige this website holds in the e-sports community, I honestly expected more.
All in all great war, very entertaining games, looking forward to seeing IdrA perform in the future.
Can you really blame anyone? The quality of these games were poor, there was nothing interesting about these games today. It was rather disappointing that richman used the same strat in all of his matches against EG.
It's a hard push to hold off without getting a quick sentry. Even then, terran can fall back on mules. Sentries are pretty important though from what I've seen.
On January 24 2011 14:57 FearTHeFrO wrote: What was the push that he was doing in tvp that seemed super strong? (I'm a protoss player and was just curious so i can look out for it in ladder)
He does a standard bio build except he proxies the second rax outside of his base, depending on the map it can be at the high yield or his own expo. He then adds a tech lab to his rax in his base, makes marauder with concussive shells, and proceeds to make a bunker In your base :p
On January 24 2011 14:51 BlueCow wrote: Its kind of sad to see how immature people on TL are considering the prestige this website holds in the e-sports community, I honestly expected more.
All in all great war, very entertaining games, looking forward to seeing IdrA perform in the future.
Fans of Starcraft and e-sports like to follow and see their favorite players play. When team ONE denied the fans an opportunity to see Idra play in the SGLeague, it somewhat left a soured taste in their mouths.
ONE is an up and coming team. They have some great players. If they want to be seen as the "bad boys" aka bad mannered team then that's their prerogative. Just be prepared for a backlash and negative opinions against team ONE from fans and viewers.
Right now, people don't know much about ONE. After Cruncher's victory in the TL Open, people are beginning to pay more attention to the team. However, this bad manner will paint a negative picture of the team. If you're prepared to win at any cost even if it means throwing away sportsmanship and good manner, then all the more power to team ONE.
I only got to watch the machine vs kyhol game but sounds like all the other games were all ins/cheese? So is it pretty much not worth watching the vods then of any other games?
On January 24 2011 15:03 motbob wrote: this post isn't necessary
^ You have to ask yourself how One got its existing fans, also the opening SP and jungle games were what you would consider standard non cheesy play. I assume the metal one was aswell as it wasnt by namchir.. so firstly nice cherry picking of games. Secondly namchir is known for cheesing and I find it fun having a known cheeser player in a lineup, it adds alot of flavour to the clan war (aslong as he doesnt just all kill their whole team).
On January 24 2011 15:09 blade55555 wrote: I only got to watch the machine vs kyhol game but sounds like all the other games were all ins/cheese? So is it pretty much not worth watching the vods then of any other games?
there were some other good games, even namchir's games were interesting...and fairly quick so you wouldn't have to worry about being bored by cheese.
On January 24 2011 15:03 motbob wrote: this post isn't necessary
^ You have to ask yourself how One got its existing fans, also the opening SP and jungle games were what you would consider standard non cheesy play. I assume the metal one was aswell as it wasnt by namchir.. so firstly nice cherry picking of games. Secondly namchir is known for cheesing and I find it fun having a known cheeser player in a lineup, it adds alot of flavour to the clan war (aslong as he doesnt just all kill their whole team).
Yeah, but kyhol got rolled on shakuras and jungle basin is a broken tvz map; the rest of the games were all rushes (metalopolis was the MC rush on EG's part, the others were all lolterran maraders and bunkers). It's just not at all entertaining from the perspective of a lot of viewers.
Don't know the issue with One, but they sure like to cheese all for ONE and cheese for ALL :D Not just in clan games, cruncher eliminated kiwi by 2 gates proxy =/ in TL open semi
On January 24 2011 15:03 motbob wrote: this post isn't necessary
^ You have to ask yourself how One got its existing fans, also the opening SP and jungle games were what you would consider standard non cheesy play. I assume the metal one was aswell as it wasnt by namchir.. so firstly nice cherry picking of games. Secondly namchir is known for cheesing and I find it fun having a known cheeser player in a lineup, it adds alot of flavour to the clan war (aslong as he doesnt just all kill their whole team).
Yeah, but kyhol got rolled on shakuras and jungle basin is a broken tvz map; the rest of the games were all rushes (metalopolis was the MC rush on EG's part, the others were all lolterran maraders and bunkers). It's just not at all entertaining from the perspective of a lot of viewers.
Im not concerned with the quality of games from the viewers perspective, the post I was responding too explicitly said ones "style" was bad from a business standpoint (ie they would gain no fans). I was merely refuting him not commenting on the overall quality of the series. One can hardly be blamed for getting "rolled" in game one or winning due to map imbalance in game 2 or getting rushed in game 3.
On January 24 2011 14:46 motbob wrote: I don't see how any team could lose two clanwars to ONE. After a certain number of games (say, four) it becomes clear that there's only one style of play that needs to be defended against.
We were discussing the one build he does in axslav's games... I honestly at this point don't know how to stop it. Close positions at least.
Had I a chance to do it over I think I'd do the same thing maybe with more probes in the first fight AND give up the ramp and just wait as long as possible.
Skipping the first zealot hurts too. That build close positions is almost impossible to stop without it. Good try, though.. Rough that you and Axslav lost the same way. I lose to it all the time. T_T
I dont necessarily agree with ONE not letting IdrA play, but it's worse that iNcontroL came to this thread to complain about it, and everyone that says EG should have put IdrA on the roster 4 months ago is right, sometimes you need to take responsibility for your actions instead of lay blame.
And i dont think it was necessarily ONE being scared to lose if IdrA played, but EG afraid of losing without IdrA, a Bubbles/Kyhol/NamhciR lineup is much scarier than iNcontroL/Axslav/StrifeCro just from my experience playing vs them.
Cant fault ONE for wanting to win the clan match though the team league does have a prize.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: ONE has declined EG's request to use IdrA
I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
why is it OK to blame your team manager's shortcoming on the opposing team's manager?
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
No i can't fault you for wanting your best player in the lineup, so you have a better chance at winning, so how can you fault an opposing team for following the rules to have a better chance at winning, and for you're professionally organized team to take 4 months to add your BEST player to your roster?
You can also respond to posts with intelligence instead of just blatantly stating your opinion then imposing that you can never be wrong. kidding me?
I don't understand why you guys always blow up over one little thing. As stated before idra has been on their roster for months, and being added just tonight is called poor management, nothing against Colbi because my encounters with him have been pleasant and he probably just forgot, which is perfectly acceptable. But just because this is idra they are suppose to allow him to play? He was added to the SCL rosters last season and even played against CNB (and lost) but nobody in their right mind would openly say okay play one of your best players, this is for a cash prize and they are following the rules, why people seem to question every rule is beyond me because people then bitch rules aren't followed. Stop being so hating on ONE, I congratulate them for following the rules, and sticking to their decisions.
Ehh boring Cheese games by ONE, and very disappointing that Idra did not get to play i'm kinda mad that i even wasted 2 hours watching that, but o well hopefully EG can bounce back can't wait to see DeMuslim get in on the action as well
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
Good on you guys ONE!! Props for being professional and beating EG fair and square! Love you Geoff but this was a bad burn imo...Anyway good you guys beat Prime and Fnatic! EG, you guys need to be a lot more mature and professional esp. given your position in foreigner e-sports. You guys are like the grandaddy of the foreign scene. Why bully an upandcoming team for doing something legit to win? ONE is showing a lotta promise and this triple kill by Namchir means shit is getting real!! P.S:Edited!
On January 24 2011 17:03 SushilS wrote: Good on you guys ONE!! Props for being professional and beating EG fair and square! Love you Geoff but this was a bad burn imo... Any good you guys beat Prime! ONE is showing a lotta promise and this triple kill by Cruncher means shit is getting real!!
NamhciR got the triple kill actually Cruncher was unable to play tonight.
On January 24 2011 17:03 SushilS wrote: Good on you guys ONE!! Props for being professional and beating EG fair and square! Love you Geoff but this was a bad burn imo... Any good you guys beat Prime! ONE is showing a lotta promise and this triple kill by Cruncher means shit is getting real!!
After watching the last three out of six games, I wanted to ask yours or EG's opinion on the bunker having its current Salvage ability. If I recall correctly, it was implemented because terrans were showing a significant reluctance in using them. I'm not certain that the reluctance is still the case, but if Salvage were changed or removed do you have any thoughts on the consequences, good or bad? I already have my own opinion on it, but I have much more respect for yours and would love to hear it!
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
Can you please shut up? You have 20 posts and you're coming here criticizing incontrol? Do you know how long he's been on TL and how long he's been a mod? If he's so bad and is a terrible representative of TL as a moderator, then why has he been a mod for so long?
You obviously haven't been here long enough to know incontrol is an awesome person and isn't some ill-mannered individual as you're trying to portray him as.
Fighting EG without IdrA and DeMuslim is like fighting OGS without MC or Ensnare. Makes for a lopsided lineup. They should have a rematch with their best lineups because beating a team without their best is a hollow victory.
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
Can you please shut up? You have 20 posts and you're coming here criticizing incontrol? Do you know how long he's been on TL and how long he's been a mod? If he's so bad and is a terrible representative of TL as a moderator, then why has he been a mod for so long?
You obviously haven't been here long enough to know incontrol is an awesome person and isn't some ill-mannered individual as you're trying to portray him as.
right now you act as a definition of nuthuggery. As if it requires an extensive scientific studies to determine that incontrol was out of line in this thread.
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
Can you please shut up? You have 20 posts and you're coming here criticizing incontrol? Do you know how long he's been on TL and how long he's been a mod? If he's so bad and is a terrible representative of TL as a moderator, then why has he been a mod for so long?
You obviously haven't been here long enough to know incontrol is an awesome person and isn't some ill-mannered individual as you're trying to portray him as.
right now you act as a definition of nuthuggery. As if it requires an extensive scientific studies to determine that incontrol was out of line in this thread.
lol
Can we please calm down? Do you even know what I did that was "so out of line" ? I have a nagging feeling some of you are posting with some kind of mob mentality. I made a harmless joke and that was it o_O
On January 24 2011 17:23 NEOtheONE wrote: Fighting EG without IdrA and DeMuslim is like fighting OGS without MC or Ensnare. Makes for a lopsided lineup. They should have a rematch with their best lineups because beating a team without their best is a hollow victory.
Clanwars is as much about the width of the clan as it is about the top of the clan, if that makes sense in english...
I imagine it is quite common for a team to be missing one or two players, ONE was also missing players.
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
Can you please shut up? You have 20 posts and you're coming here criticizing incontrol? Do you know how long he's been on TL and how long he's been a mod? If he's so bad and is a terrible representative of TL as a moderator, then why has he been a mod for so long?
You obviously haven't been here long enough to know incontrol is an awesome person and isn't some ill-mannered individual as you're trying to portray him as.
right now you act as a definition of nuthuggery. As if it requires an extensive scientific studies to determine that incontrol was out of line in this thread.
lol
Can we please calm down? Do you even know what I did that was "so out of line" ? I have a nagging feeling some of you are posting with some kind of mob mentality. I made a harmless joke and that was it o_O
oh i dunno i guess im a bit of a manifesto nuthugger myself. I sorta thought he had a point around page 4 when he told u to stop it and yet you decided it's in everyone's best interest to carry on for 7 more pages. JLIG yo
The part most of you seem to not grasp is that EG uses a pretty standard lineup for these leagues, after losing to ONE before they just wanted to bring in a player who 9.9/10 wouldn't be placed in the lineup. On top of that IdrA talked a bunch of shit about cruncher (called him "bad") which I find pretty comical considering he's on the same level or better than every other member of EG. I wonder if IdrA considers the rest of his team to be 'bad' since they all play roughly on the same level.
On January 24 2011 16:37 BlueCow wrote: your right, i have not had a long posting history here, perhaps a certain mod posting in this thread is just a bad representation of TL.
That was my point exactly jesus lol
@blur: Yes the "fear" we had was not using idra.. what? Would we have liked to? Obviously. Can you actually fault us for wanting IdrA in the lineup? Kidding me?
Ok so this raises the larger question, why does TL allow you to represent them in such a bad mannered and blatantly abusive fashion?
Can you please shut up? You have 20 posts and you're coming here criticizing incontrol? Do you know how long he's been on TL and how long he's been a mod? If he's so bad and is a terrible representative of TL as a moderator, then why has he been a mod for so long?
You obviously haven't been here long enough to know incontrol is an awesome person and isn't some ill-mannered individual as you're trying to portray him as.
right now you act as a definition of nuthuggery. As if it requires an extensive scientific studies to determine that incontrol was out of line in this thread.
lol
Can we please calm down? Do you even know what I did that was "so out of line" ? I have a nagging feeling some of you are posting with some kind of mob mentality. I made a harmless joke and that was it o_O
oh i dunno i guess im a bit of a manifesto nuthugger myself. I sorta thought he had a point around page 4 when he told u to stop it and yet you decided it's in everyone's best interest to carry on for 7 more pages. JLIG yo
Well Incontrol pretty much stopped it at page 4, but by that time he had set the stone rolling and quite a few others picked up the cause for him.
I am just sad that i can see Incontrol, Idra, Scoots and Zlasher crying/bashing ONE for this decision in the future. With words such as them being scared to face the best, being BM etc. ONE could have allowed IdrA to play, but if they felt they had no reason to grant favors to EG that is thier call, and playing butch and calling them scared just reflects worse back on EG imo... Do not turn into the Crybaby team of gaming, please.
On another note, what does this loss mean for EG in the league? Still hoping you guys can turn it around and get a top two placement, you deserve it.
On January 24 2011 17:52 RJ231 wrote: The part most of you seem to not grasp is that EG uses a pretty standard lineup for these leagues, after losing to ONE before they just wanted to bring in a player who 9.9/10 wouldn't be placed in the lineup. On top of that IdrA talked a bunch of shit about cruncher (called him "bad") which I find pretty comical considering he's on the same level or better than every other member of EG. I wonder if IdrA considers the rest of his team to be 'bad' since they all play roughly on the same level.
1 Post and trying to troll = not a good start >.>
I see this league and see EG so I'm interested to look and I see flame wars going on with mods etc.
From what I have read so far (from 1st page rest were kind of flame wars) is that:
- EG made a mistake by not putting IdrA on the roster (how long is irrelevant) - EG kindly asked the opponent ONE if EG could use IdrA even if he's not on the roster but known to be in EG for idk how long (5-6 months now? around sc2 release I suppose) - ONE refused and if that quote of incontrol is true then it's ONE's right to do so but they should also manner up themselves for being BM in such a way. - ONE played by the rules and did everything to won which they did. - How they played their games was afaik legally since they didn't cheated and how lame they played is arbritary so it's not important (cheese/rush w/e).
This shouldn't be a problem imo and EG should just put IdrA on the roster. I don't know the rules of this league except that they're barred for 1 week to play (idk if this is even true). EG made an administration mistake or lacked the skill to do so which they got punished for by not able to let IdrA play.
ONE did everything by the rules. How they responded (like being BM is arbitrary). This should be closed tbh because I see a lot of flames going on.
Just hoping EG will be able to play to their maximum potential in this league next times.
Edit: Just after browsing SGL I see that this was EG's 1st match and there are 6 remaining. If EG doesn't repeat their mistake like round 1 then they should be able to get 1st or 2nd imo.
This was their 2nd match, they lost 1-4 to eSuba in the first week.
Also EG uses pretty much the same lineup in leagues (SGL/SCL), idrA only played once in SCL last season and I don't believe he played in the first season of SGL.
On January 24 2011 18:14 nGBeast wrote: This was their 2nd match, they lost 1-4 to empire in the first week.
Also EG uses pretty much the same lineup in leagues (SGL/SCL), idrA only played once in SCL last season and I don't believe he played in the first season of SGL.
I stand corrected thanks.
SGL better update their league then lol. Kinda bad that they don't update their own league but do post the results.
On January 24 2011 17:52 RJ231 wrote: The part most of you seem to not grasp is that EG uses a pretty standard lineup for these leagues, after losing to ONE before they just wanted to bring in a player who 9.9/10 wouldn't be placed in the lineup. On top of that IdrA talked a bunch of shit about cruncher (called him "bad") which I find pretty comical considering he's on the same level or better than every other member of EG. I wonder if IdrA considers the rest of his team to be 'bad' since they all play roughly on the same level.
- ONE refused and if that quote of incontrol is true then it's ONE's right to do so but they should also manner up themselves for being BM in such a way.
Of course the quote is not true, InControl even said himself that it was a joke. An attempt from him to be funny, put some feelings into the tournament.
My post wasn't a troll at all, I've been browsing this site for a very long time and I choose not to post here before. I didn't intend for it to be a troll but to merely point out the fact that idra has no respect for pretty much anyone and insults people randomly for no good reason. Turns out in this instance it bit him/EG in the ass (I'm confident if it was anyone else ONE would of actually let them play) cause ONE didn't allow him in the lineup.
Shann stop identifying Trolls where there aren't any! It was quite an objective post... Also Geoff's quote was ob a joke! And a good one at that.... Sad to see the way the thread degenerated following that though! And RJ231, IdrA doesn't randomly BM usually... He does it only to people he thinks are lower than his "level"! He has been wrong in the past and has often graciously accepted his miscalculation of someones talent.
On January 24 2011 17:23 NEOtheONE wrote: Fighting EG without IdrA and DeMuslim is like fighting OGS without MC or Ensnare. Makes for a lopsided lineup. They should have a rematch with their best lineups because beating a team without their best is a hollow victory.
Not really tbh, like at least 50% of clan wars have top 5 players absent in some team. EG still has a strong line up without idra/demuslim, although those are clearly their best players.
Good to see incontrol blatantly trolling just like back in the olden days lol.
On January 24 2011 18:46 SushilS wrote: Shann stop identifying Trolls where there aren't any! It was quite an objective post... Also Geoff's quote was ob a joke! And a good one at that.... Sad to see the way the thread degenerated following that though! And RJ231, IdrA doesn't randomly BM usually... He does it only to people he thinks are lower than his "level"! He has been wrong in the past and has often graciously accepted his miscalculation of someones talent.
Making a statement about IdrA being BM to others and is the result of him not being signed on the team list for SGL and/or other team leagues is such a ridiculous statement and is not objective at all so I can't see the objectivity in his post.
It should have nothing to do with Idra being BM or his BM being a result of him not being signed up on the team list for SGL.
This was actually the point my previous long post was trying to make. I pmed RJ saying my reasoning and an apology since I was wrong on him being a troll.
On January 24 2011 18:46 SushilS wrote: Shann stop identifying Trolls where there aren't any! It was quite an objective post... Also Geoff's quote was ob a joke! And a good one at that.... Sad to see the way the thread degenerated following that though! And RJ231, IdrA doesn't randomly BM usually... He does it only to people he thinks are lower than his "level"! He has been wrong in the past and has often graciously accepted his miscalculation of someones talent.
Making a statement about IdrA being BM to others and is the result of him not being signed on the team list for SGL and/or other team leagues is such a ridiculous statement and is not objective at all so I can't see the objectivity in his post.
Since the manager of ONE posted in this thread pretty much that he did not want to do any favors for EG and IdrA due to IdrA having insulted thier players in the past his post was very pretty relevant.
Not going to go in and say if it is right/wrong bad whatever. But that was thier statement.
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
On January 24 2011 18:46 SushilS wrote: Shann stop identifying Trolls where there aren't any! It was quite an objective post... Also Geoff's quote was ob a joke! And a good one at that.... Sad to see the way the thread degenerated following that though! And RJ231, IdrA doesn't randomly BM usually... He does it only to people he thinks are lower than his "level"! He has been wrong in the past and has often graciously accepted his miscalculation of someones talent.
Making a statement about IdrA being BM to others and is the result of him not being signed on the team list for SGL and/or other team leagues is such a ridiculous statement and is not objective at all so I can't see the objectivity in his post.
Since the manager of ONE posted in this thread pretty much that he did not want to do any favors for EG and IdrA due to IdrA having insulted thier players in the past his post was very pretty relevant.
Not going to go in and say if it is right/wrong bad whatever. But that was thier statement.
On January 24 2011 12:22 RuMCaKe wrote: Heres my 2 cents as the leader of ONE. EG could have allowed IdrA to be on their roster several months ago, but they didn't. Just like they don't have DemusliM on their SGL roster at the moment now either, and they didnt elect to use DemusliM when we played them in SCL earlier this week. I have a ton of respect for EG, and have known some of their players for some time. But with the disrespect IdrA has shown my team in the last few days and the comments he has made, I have no reason to do him any favors. If both teams make it to the play offs in SGL we will be happy to play against him there when he is an eligible player on their roster.
I stand corrected once again as I wasn't aware of that post. Everything seems clear to me now
Not really Incontrol's fault there are people who took his earlier quote seriously. People should learn to generally ignore all one liner posts that are similar to the ones that followed :
lol are you seroius? rofl what a joke thanks for letting us know!
u mad?
x3
ya he mad
and even if you read them definitely don't respond lol.
Grats to ONE. Hopefully people ignore my humble advice though, looking forward to more entertaining threads like this.
uhm.. I liked the part where incontrol trolled everyone and everyone seemed to fall for it. Think I've spent more time reading this thread than I did watching those games (in all due fairness, the thread is almost 12 pages long). Gonna recommend this thread to all my friends. Hoping for some more awesome content next time~~ <3
Lol, incontrol the BM mod. He's like the Idra of the forum world!
OT: I'm really confused by EG's results lately. In one weekend, for example, they 4-0'ed Fnatic and lost to ONE. If that's because they were just practicing harder for the fnatic match, then that makes sense, but - no disrespect at all, way better than me, etc - it seems like fnatic is on a different level from ONE. EG's been losing other clan wars to people I've never heard of, despite beating the best of the world in both the gcpl and the MRI. Winner's league format maybe being unfriendly to EG?
I don't even understand how people could've though InControl's joke was serious at all. I mean, I admit e-sarcasm is KIND of hard to detect, but seriously that was obviously a joke.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
Is this guy seriously thinking what he writes down, or is that a joke ? Holy cow. Sorry but, I cant help: That sounds so terrible ambitious, in a very BM way. I would love to play against good players like DeMusliM or Idra. Even if I would get crushed 100 times in a row (100% would lose all games), I would do whatever I can to have a nice pleasant game with them. Even if it's a league game or whatever, no reason to write something like that .... . Disappointing and not mature. Hope other clans have more respect towards each other.
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
Is this guy seriously thinking what he writes down, or is that a joke ? Holy cow. Sorry but, I cant help: That sounds so terrible ambitious, in a very BM way. I would love to play against good players like DeMusliM or Idra. Even if I would get crushed 100 times in a row (100% would lose all games), I would do whatever I can to have a nice pleasant game with them. Even if it's a league game or whatever, no reason to write something like that .... . Disappointing and not mature. Hope other clans have more respect towards each other.
I hesitate to comment in detail on the little spiff that happened here lest I get caught up in the crossfire. But I do want to mention that I've a lot respect for both teams and GG.
ONE has been doing exceptionally well as of late and deserve respect from the community, regardless of what you think of their playstyle (Cruncher 3:0 Fenix in purely beautifully executed macro games in case anybody forgot). Geoff also deserves just as much respect (as well as his team) for the sheer amount of time he has put into this community and TL that ALL OF US are benefiting from. Don't forget where we are posting.
Both sides made silly choices IMO, but it's not a big deal. I really hope this shit gets stored away in a file cabinet never to be looked at again. I joined TL recently because I love the atmosphere and the respect compared to any other online forum. We don't need this kind of drama BM crap to show up in the future.
To be honest this hype made it so much more interesting to watch. Could of been professional in the outside but we all know in the inside it was a grudge match for their Starcraft prides... Could it be that EG wanted to avenge idra and that ONE had to win with the advantage or else their image would look even worse? stay tuned for the next episode of....
Didn't realise they had bubbles, was pretty impressed by some of his builds at the JTVinvitational a while back (I think that was it at least). Shall have to keep an eye out on their future progress =)
the first ~5 pages of this thread were some of the best stuff i read on TL on a while. the drama,the posts, the laughs... thats the TL i love :D
btw got 2 questions sgl related im just gonna drop off here, which games so far got casted by incontrol(or another "big" caster. im kinda picky there) and can i somehow change the quality off the vods on justin.tv since the standart is too much for my connection?
I don't follow One, but I have read up on 2 clanwars they have played. They beat root and eg. looks like the new school wave of players are making their marks.
about people complaining about richmans style... i have played him on the ladder and thats just his style... even in war3. he plays cheesy... get over it... plan for it. in a game of counters you know he is going to cheese you, so prepare for it you damn robots!
Like incontrol said, "Could EG include IdrA in lineup before, yes. Could ONE allow IdrA to play, yes.". In my humble opinion, EG did anything wrong in off-scene process. Rules may be rules, yes. But there are things that are more important than 1 single CW. Like being kind enough to let IdrA play.
On January 24 2011 17:35 DND_Enkil wrote: I imagine it is quite common for a team to be missing one or two players, ONE was also missing players.
I thought ONE substituted NamchiR for Cruncher. Who else is ONE missing?
On January 24 2011 12:25 iNcontroL wrote: I did get a quote from the ONE manager
"No. No, you fucking kidding me? We don't want to face your best lineup. We want to do whatever we can to face the lineup we have the best chance of beating. Regardless... if we can use the rules to win we will. We are actually working on a disconnection scenario where we can ex out another EG player. Had demuslim played we would have asked for a delay to push the clan war into the wee hours for him. We are ONE. We are.. serious business." - ONE management
This may look crafted but i can bet all my existing esports dollars on the fact that this statement is exactly what ONE manager thought.
Anyway, gg and congrats to ONE for the win over EG.
I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
On January 24 2011 18:19 shannn wrote: SGL better update their league then lol. Kinda bad that they don't update their own league but do post the results.
We have a process for adding new players to the league roster. For whatever reason (which is not important and none of our business) EG did not add IdrA until yesterday at 4:25pm. This process includes a 1 week barred period for newly added players.
That being said, this is still very early in the season, only week 2, so there is more than enough time for IdrA to play in future wars. EG is a very strong team and for sure a contendor for the finals, as is ONE. We look forward to some great performances in the coming weeks!
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
With all due respect, i don't fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play. My point is this: Was what ONE did
1- Against the rules? No. 2- Good mannered? No.
This just shows what ONE prioritizes. Winning is their one and only goal and anything besides winning is optional. EG could make something up, postpone this to next week and IdrA could play as "1 week restriction" would end then. But they did not do so, instead they kindly asked and not so kindly got rejected. This shows their respect to the league and other team, namely ONE.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
My thoughts exactly.
EDIT:
On January 25 2011 03:47 BlueCow wrote: EG is a very strong team and for sure a contendor for the finals, as is ONE.
Sir, with all due respect but a team who in my humble opinion has no good and stable players (comparing to other teams like EG, Fnatic and ROOT of course) is no contendor for the finals. This is just me of course.
^ Lol yeah because EG (or better Incontrol and Idra) are known for being that well mannered and all around nice they can expect everybody to do them all favors they ask for. Seriously if someone trys to diss me like Incontrol does here I would take every opportunity to flip the finger at them. Fair game on both sides.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
With all due respect, i don't fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play. My point is this: Was what ONE did
1- Against the rules? No. 2- Good mannered? No.
This just shows what ONE prioritizes. Winning is their one and only goal and anything besides winning is optional. EG could make something up, postpone this to next week and IdrA could play as "1 week restriction" would end then. But they did not do so, instead they kindly asked and not so kindly got rejected. This shows their respect to the league and other team, namely ONE.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
My thoughts exactly.
If their one and only goal wasn't winning, they wouldn't be at where they are right now. Like you said, ONE isn't breaking any rules by what they're doing and it's not the first nor the last time a player has been barred from participating because of tournament rules. But seeing as how you're a giant crybaby and resorting to asinine comments like "you only win because you cheese your wins" I'm pretty sure ONE doesn't want viewers like you anyway. E-sports, as a whole, doesn't want viewers like you just as much as you don't want bad-mannered teams.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
With all due respect, i don't fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play. My point is this: Was what ONE did
1- Against the rules? No. 2- Good mannered? No.
This just shows what ONE prioritizes. Winning is their one and only goal and anything besides winning is optional. EG could make something up, postpone this to next week and IdrA could play as "1 week restriction" would end then. But they did not do so, instead they kindly asked and not so kindly got rejected. This shows their respect to the league and other team, namely ONE.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
On January 25 2011 03:47 BlueCow wrote: EG is a very strong team and for sure a contendor for the finals, as is ONE.
Sir, with all due respect but a team who in my humble opinion has no good and stable players (comparing to other teams like EG, Fnatic and ROOT of course) is no contendor for the finals. This is just me of course.
Competition doesn't require you to be well mannered.
Trace your mind back to the World Cup Final of 2010. Holland vs Spain: did you see the amount of fouls committed by both teams? Amounting to De Jong kicking (physically kicking) Xabi Alonso (one of the greatest players in the world) in the heart. Escaping FA rules and FIFA punishment as well. Was it well mannered? No. Was it against the rules? Seemingly not.
When you compete, you do whatever you can to win. If Britain or the US had a chance to stop Usain Bolt from competing in the Olympics, do you think they'd stop him? Of course they would - you compete because you want to win - not because you want to hold hands playing happy families, come on.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
With all due respect, i don't fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play. My point is this: Was what ONE did
1- Against the rules? No. 2- Good mannered? No.
This just shows what ONE prioritizes. Winning is their one and only goal and anything besides winning is optional. EG could make something up, postpone this to next week and IdrA could play as "1 week restriction" would end then. But they did not do so, instead they kindly asked and not so kindly got rejected. This shows their respect to the league and other team, namely ONE.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
On January 25 2011 03:47 BlueCow wrote: EG is a very strong team and for sure a contendor for the finals, as is ONE.
Sir, with all due respect but a team who in my humble opinion has no good and stable players (comparing to other teams like EG, Fnatic and ROOT of course) is no contendor for the finals. This is just me of course.
Oh please, Idra was being a prick towards the players in ONE and then comes acting all hurt when they aren't keen on doing him a favor. Had Idra been more respectful this would never have happened. I like Idra and his attitude, he spices up the scene - but he should know by now that his bad manners may backfire.
On January 25 2011 04:04 Redox wrote: ^ Lol yeah because EG (or better Incontrol and Idra) are known for being that well mannered and all around nice they can expect everybody to do them all favors they ask for. Seriously if someone trys to diss me like Incontrol does here I would take every opportunity to flip the finger at them. Fair game on both sides.
I am not in the community for long enough to comment on incontrol's or idra's personal reputiations in terms of manner. What I was talking about is EG did not try to postpone the game for a week just for the sake of lifting the bar on IdrA (and optionally DeMusliM), which is respectful to their opponent. Speaking of respect, ONE is not the model on that for anyone to look and learn imho.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
With all due respect, i don't fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play. My point is this: Was what ONE did
1- Against the rules? No. 2- Good mannered? No.
This just shows what ONE prioritizes. Winning is their one and only goal and anything besides winning is optional. EG could make something up, postpone this to next week and IdrA could play as "1 week restriction" would end then. But they did not do so, instead they kindly asked and not so kindly got rejected. This shows their respect to the league and other team, namely ONE.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
My thoughts exactly.
If their one and only goal wasn't winning, they wouldn't be at where they are right now. Like you said, ONE isn't breaking any rules by what they're doing and it's not the first nor the last time a player has been barred from participating because of tournament rules. But seeing as how you're a giant crybaby and resorting to asinine comments like "you only win because you cheese your wins" I'm pretty sure ONE doesn't want viewers like you anyway. E-sports, as a whole, doesn't want viewers like you just as much as you don't want bad-mannered teams.
I thought that I was talking objectively on the event without favoring any of the sides, but well, probably i was not (at least, according to you). Anyway, as I'm a gigantic crybaby who constantly whines on ONE because they can only win with cheese, they wouldn't want me as a viewer anyway (again; at least, according to you). But i want to object on something the bold part: I don't think that e-sports itself wants bad-mannered teams in the first place, do they?
On January 25 2011 04:08 Cranberries wrote: Competition doesn't require you to be well mannered.
Trace your mind back to the World Cup Final of 2010. Holland vs Spain: did you see the amount of fouls committed by both teams? Amounting to De Jong kicking (physically kicking) Xabi Alonso (one of the greatest players in the world) in the heart. Escaping FA rules and FIFA punishment as well. Was it well mannered? No. Was it against the rules? Seemingly not.
When you compete, you do whatever you can to win. If Britain or the US had a chance to stop Usain Bolt from competing in the Olympics, do you think they'd stop him? Of course they would - you compete because you want to win - not because you want to hold hands playing happy families, come on.
On January 25 2011 04:16 Djagulingu wrote: I am not in the community for long enough to comment on incontrol's or idra's personal reputiations in terms of manner.
On January 25 2011 04:16 Djagulingu wrote: I am not in the community for long enough to comment on incontrol's or idra's personal reputiations in terms of manner.
From here on I was sure you are trolling.
Lol of course i know some of idra's incidents. But it is not enough to comment on someone's manners imho.
We're good people guys. I promise you that my main focus is to become a very tight macro player. I have been working on this for quite some time. Unfortunately I was very sick when I played my match. I will show that that ONE isn't just a team that cheeses. If you look closely at our members you'll see that they're actually great macro players, but their cheese is so strong that they feel it gives them an advantage. I appreciate everyones interest in the BM and such, but it's really not that big of a deal. We will play EG again in the future, and I hope they bring Idra/Demuslim. I'd love to play against them in a CW.
We are going to stick around and keep bringing the results, so get used to us! We are not going anywhere
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: I don't think you can fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play, it was EG's mistake.
With all due respect, i don't fault ONE for not allowing IdrA to play. My point is this: Was what ONE did
1- Against the rules? No. 2- Good mannered? No.
This just shows what ONE prioritizes. Winning is their one and only goal and anything besides winning is optional. EG could make something up, postpone this to next week and IdrA could play as "1 week restriction" would end then. But they did not do so, instead they kindly asked and not so kindly got rejected. This shows their respect to the league and other team, namely ONE.
On January 25 2011 03:14 1Eris1 wrote: But from a viewer's perspective I'm pretty dissapointed. You guys don't want to play vs IdrA because your afraid you'll lose and then you only win because you cheese your wins? Like idk, gotta do what you gotta do, but I won't be tuning into ONE events anytime soon if this is what there is too display. Grats on winning against EG without its two best players I guess.
On January 25 2011 03:47 BlueCow wrote: EG is a very strong team and for sure a contendor for the finals, as is ONE.
Sir, with all due respect but a team who in my humble opinion has no good and stable players (comparing to other teams like EG, Fnatic and ROOT of course) is no contendor for the finals. This is just me of course.
Lol man relax didn't incontrol edit kyhol reply when he said no? is that good mannered? You getting mad at ONE for actually giving themselves a chance to win?
On January 25 2011 04:26 Kyhol wrote: We're good people guys. I promise you that my main focus is to become a very tight macro player. I have been working on this for quite some time. Unfortunately I was very sick when I played my match. I will show that that ONE isn't just a team that cheeses. If you look closely at our members you'll see that they're actually great macro players, but their cheese is so strong that they feel it gives them an advantage. I appreciate everyones interest in the BM and such, but it's really not that big of a deal. We will play EG again in the future, and I hope they bring Idra/Demuslim. I'd love to play against them in a CW.
We are going to stick around and keep bringing the results, so get used to us! We are not going anywhere
This. I know how to macro and know how to do it well, But why win a game in 20 minutes if I can win in 6?
On January 25 2011 04:26 Kyhol wrote: We're good people guys. I promise you that my main focus is to become a very tight macro player. I have been working on this for quite some time. Unfortunately I was very sick when I played my match. I will show that that ONE isn't just a team that cheeses. If you look closely at our members you'll see that they're actually great macro players, but their cheese is so strong that they feel it gives them an advantage. I appreciate everyones interest in the BM and such, but it's really not that big of a deal. We will play EG again in the future, and I hope they bring Idra/Demuslim. I'd love to play against them in a CW.
We are going to stick around and keep bringing the results, so get used to us! We are not going anywhere
I didn't watch ONE for long enough, but Cruncher is a good player (i watched him on TLOpen), Linko plays for ONE as well, i remember, he's good as well (I watched him a few times when he was in Inflow), but I am not sure about NamchiR as we saw him against EG this time (also Zelniq said that he cheesed in every single TvZ in a "NA Top 200" thread).
EDIT: I don't know why people got the impression that I'm mad. I don't like Terran cheese personally, but i also don't know from which words of mine you got the impression of i'm a mad giant crybaby, sorry for lack of knowledge.
On January 25 2011 04:26 Kyhol wrote: We're good people guys. I promise you that my main focus is to become a very tight macro player. I have been working on this for quite some time. Unfortunately I was very sick when I played my match. I will show that that ONE isn't just a team that cheeses. If you look closely at our members you'll see that they're actually great macro players, but their cheese is so strong that they feel it gives them an advantage. I appreciate everyones interest in the BM and such, but it's really not that big of a deal. We will play EG again in the future, and I hope they bring Idra/Demuslim. I'd love to play against them in a CW.
We are going to stick around and keep bringing the results, so get used to us! We are not going anywhere
This. I know how to macro and know how to do it well, But why win a game in 20 minutes if I can win in 6?
This is namhcir btw that so many ppl hated on ;p
Because its boring when 90% of the games being played are cheese/all in. And the more you do it the more haters your going to get if thats all they see you do
On January 25 2011 04:44 Lz wrote: The real question, why is this thread still going on? We lost to proxy rax's 3 games in a row.. obviously out played.. now lets just move on.
On January 25 2011 04:44 Lz wrote: The real question, why is this thread still going on? We lost to proxy rax's 3 games in a row.. obviously out played.. now lets just move on.
I laughed so hard at this. EG should probably change their name to Evil Jokers by the this thread is going.
Aside from that, hope to see more from EG and ONE. GL to both teams.
On January 25 2011 04:44 Lz wrote: The real question, why is this thread still going on? We lost to proxy rax's 3 games in a row.. obviously out played.. now lets just move on.
Probably thanks to bitter comments like that.
ROFL!! Nice burn. This thread is awesome entertainment. EG, we love you guys but seriously, If you "desperately" wanted IdrA just to beat a team consisting of relatively unknown players with your lineup of Inc,Lz,Machine,InkA etc. its kinda lame imo. Anyway, the only positive side effect of this will be that SGL will now be more closely followed.
On January 25 2011 01:53 SUGGY wrote: I don't follow One, but I have read up on 2 clanwars they have played. They beat root and eg. looks like the new school wave of players are making their marks.
about people complaining about richmans style... i have played him on the ladder and thats just his style... even in war3. he plays cheesy... get over it... plan for it. in a game of counters you know he is going to cheese you, so prepare for it you damn robots!
The ironic thing about doing the same thing every game makes a person robotic is that it pretty much goes both ways here, He is robotic cheese is he not?
On January 25 2011 04:26 Kyhol wrote: We're good people guys. I promise you that my main focus is to become a very tight macro player. I have been working on this for quite some time. Unfortunately I was very sick when I played my match. I will show that that ONE isn't just a team that cheeses. If you look closely at our members you'll see that they're actually great macro players, but their cheese is so strong that they feel it gives them an advantage. I appreciate everyones interest in the BM and such, but it's really not that big of a deal. We will play EG again in the future, and I hope they bring Idra/Demuslim. I'd love to play against them in a CW.
We are going to stick around and keep bringing the results, so get used to us! We are not going anywhere
This. I know how to macro and know how to do it well, But why win a game in 20 minutes if I can win in 6?
This is namhcir btw that so many ppl hated on ;p
Wow.. this is actually really good logic. I wish flash was this smart..
On January 25 2011 04:26 Kyhol wrote: We're good people guys. I promise you that my main focus is to become a very tight macro player. I have been working on this for quite some time. Unfortunately I was very sick when I played my match. I will show that that ONE isn't just a team that cheeses. If you look closely at our members you'll see that they're actually great macro players, but their cheese is so strong that they feel it gives them an advantage. I appreciate everyones interest in the BM and such, but it's really not that big of a deal. We will play EG again in the future, and I hope they bring Idra/Demuslim. I'd love to play against them in a CW.
We are going to stick around and keep bringing the results, so get used to us! We are not going anywhere
This totally reminds me of TSL_Rain after he beat whoever it was in GSL 3.
(not trying to hate on anyone. GL to cruncher in the vt thingy tonight, I liked his play in the tlopen. But I'm just saying, is all.
obviously not a fan of cheese strategies/players... but ONE is a freaking good team dunno why thats being swept under the rug. bubbles is one of best protoss on NA scene
On January 25 2011 05:17 FrostyTreats wrote: The ironic thing about doing the same thing every game makes a person robotic is that it pretty much goes both ways here, He is robotic cheese is he not?
How does that change the point at all? He wasn't talking about the cheeser, he was talking about people who face cheese. Two bads don't make a good.
Wow.. this is actually really good logic. I wish flash was this smart..
I suspect that if Flash knew that he could bunker rush every game and win he would. In fact this has probably happened in the past, but I'll let people more knowledgeable about BW history (or people more prone to the old Boxer-Yellow line) cover that one.
On January 25 2011 04:44 Lz wrote: The real question, why is this thread still going on? We lost to proxy rax's 3 games in a row.. obviously out played.. now lets just move on.
The question is, why are you still posting? Go listen to some more Christian rock man it's totally awesome.
Lost a lot of respect for EG. I never respected incontrol's fat, troll looking ass so no surprise that he pulled all of this sheisty editing and false quotes. It's cool though, I like you just the same.
On January 25 2011 04:44 Lz wrote: The real question, why is this thread still going on? We lost to proxy rax's 3 games in a row.. obviously out played.. now lets just move on.
The question is, why are you still posting? Go listen to some more Christian rock man it's totally awesome.
Lost a lot of respect for EG. I never respected incontrol's fat, troll looking ass so no surprise that he pulled all of this sheisty editing and false quotes. It's cool though, I like you just the same.
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Wow, honestly dude? EG weren't exactly gentlemen in this thread but at least they don't resort to flaming peoples character.
The ironic thing though, is that Incontrols fat troll looking ass has a super hot gf, so he must be doing something right.
On January 25 2011 04:44 Lz wrote: The real question, why is this thread still going on? We lost to proxy rax's 3 games in a row.. obviously out played.. now lets just move on.
The question is, why are you still posting? Go listen to some more Christian rock man it's totally awesome.
Lost a lot of respect for EG. I never respected incontrol's fat, troll looking ass so no surprise that he pulled all of this sheisty editing and false quotes. It's cool though, I like you just the same.
User was temp banned for this post.
Wow, honestly dude? EG weren't exactly gentlemen in this thread but at least they don't resort to flaming peoples character.
The ironic thing though, is that Incontrols fat troll looking ass has a super hot gf, so he must be doing something right.
need pics to verify. j/k hahaha just bringing some wcr flavor into this thread.
I love idra <3 but the folks over at ONE are the best. As soon as chatrooms were up with the patch, ive been lurking there in their chatrooms and they ALL have been super nice to me, a little noob. Rooting for them forever!!@@##$$%%^^ One Hwaiting!!!
On January 25 2011 07:10 Redmark wrote: I suspect that if Flash knew that he could bunker rush every game and win he would. In fact this has probably happened in the past, but I'll let people more knowledgeable about BW history (or people more prone to the old Boxer-Yellow line) cover that one.
It's been well documented that Flash cheesed just like this Nam guy when he first started playing, but BW was a much more figured out game by then, with most of the top players knowing how to defend and effectively punish most cheeses. Thus, he had to transition to the macro game, or he wouldn't have lasted. Unfortunately for SC2, it seems like many haven't figured out a lot of the timings and correct reactions to cheeses yet, so cheese is much stronger than it should be. Add in close positions due to shitty maps, and cheese efficiency becomes exponentially stronger.
On February 01 2011 00:19 lazyfeet wrote: Without DeMuslim and Idra EG look pretty bad as team.
perhaps you havent seen their machinima results? thats a pretty stupid comment you made based off of one clanwar
yea machinima where they win all the 2v2. I remember they lost to NrG twice. They preform pretty bad in the SGL. Every time i see them they lost in clan wars. Now they got demulism and idra they start winning alot lately.
On February 01 2011 00:19 lazyfeet wrote: Without DeMuslim and Idra EG look pretty bad as team.
perhaps you havent seen their machinima results? thats a pretty stupid comment you made based off of one clanwar
yea machinima where they win all the 2v2. I remember they lost to NrG twice. They preform pretty bad in the SGL. Every time i see them they lost in clan wars. Now they got demulism and idra they start winning alot lately.
are you implying nrg is bad? if so than you clearly dont follow the scene as much as you think you do
On February 01 2011 00:19 lazyfeet wrote: Without DeMuslim and Idra EG look pretty bad as team.
perhaps you havent seen their machinima results? thats a pretty stupid comment you made based off of one clanwar
yea machinima where they win all the 2v2. I remember they lost to NrG twice. They preform pretty bad in the SGL. Every time i see them they lost in clan wars. Now they got demulism and idra they start winning alot lately.
are you implying nrg is bad? if so than you clearly dont follow the scene as much as you think you do
I not saying NrG are bad. I'm just saying EG underperformed since release of startcraft2 if count out demulism and Idra.
On February 01 2011 00:19 lazyfeet wrote: Without DeMuslim and Idra EG look pretty bad as team.
perhaps you havent seen their machinima results? thats a pretty stupid comment you made based off of one clanwar
yea machinima where they win all the 2v2. I remember they lost to NrG twice. They preform pretty bad in the SGL. Every time i see them they lost in clan wars. Now they got demulism and idra they start winning alot lately.
are you implying nrg is bad? if so than you clearly dont follow the scene as much as you think you do
I not saying NrG are bad. I'm just saying EG underperformed since release of startcraft2 if count out demulism and Idra.
demuslim was just signed and idra hasn't played in a lot of there clan leagues, you obviously haven't been following them
On February 01 2011 00:19 lazyfeet wrote: Without DeMuslim and Idra EG look pretty bad as team.
perhaps you havent seen their machinima results? thats a pretty stupid comment you made based off of one clanwar
yea machinima where they win all the 2v2. I remember they lost to NrG twice. They preform pretty bad in the SGL. Every time i see them they lost in clan wars. Now they got demulism and idra they start winning alot lately.
are you implying nrg is bad? if so than you clearly dont follow the scene as much as you think you do
I not saying NrG are bad. I'm just saying EG underperformed since release of startcraft2 if count out demulism and Idra.
demuslim was just signed and idra hasn't played in a lot of there clan leagues, you obviously haven't been following them
Isnt that my point that they start winning lately? Before that Idra not in that clan wars so they lost more then they should.
On February 01 2011 00:19 lazyfeet wrote: Without DeMuslim and Idra EG look pretty bad as team.
perhaps you havent seen their machinima results? thats a pretty stupid comment you made based off of one clanwar
yea machinima where they win all the 2v2. I remember they lost to NrG twice. They preform pretty bad in the SGL. Every time i see them they lost in clan wars. Now they got demulism and idra they start winning alot lately.
are you implying nrg is bad? if so than you clearly dont follow the scene as much as you think you do
I not saying NrG are bad. I'm just saying EG underperformed since release of startcraft2 if count out demulism and Idra.
demuslim was just signed and idra hasn't played in a lot of there clan leagues, you obviously haven't been following them
Isnt that my point that they start winning lately? Before that Idra not in that clan wars so they lost more then they should.
So? Would liquid be as good if you removed all their players? You can't just say "OH look they not that great if you remove some of their players". WELL OF COURSE. Stop trolling.
It's great that there's competition and not just one or 2 teams dominating. Shows how strong the scene is.
EPT![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1517/season2battlereportcopy.jpg)
ONECrunCher taking the Team Liquid Open #3 and taking out ROOT Gaming last week in the SGL! EG is the American powerhouse, probably rated the best team in North America! They seem to have hit a slump as of late, but regardless they are an amazing force to be reckoned with! Having gained a variety of tournament wins and with players such as 
EGIdrA competing in the GSL and the recently signed 
DeMusliM performing very well in the European scene they just keep getting stronger!![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png)
ppgBubbles![[image loading]](http://www.sgleague.net/Smileys/default/usa.gif)
EG vs. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png)
NamchiR for 
. I hope they allow IdrA that would be HUGE for this match and make for Great games 
. Hopefully Team ONE will have the Class and allow it to be. 
Cruncher was unable to play tonight.
