I didn't say "He shouldn't make mutas." I said he should invest some of the money he spends on mutas on infestors instead. You don't need 20 infestors. If Nestea made a few to FG he would've been able delay pushes, dwindle marine counts, build up baneling counts, and drain medivac energy.

I think one of the worst things that Korean zergs do is make lings and send them into marine balls. That's essentially throwing away minerals.

bkrow

Australia8532 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1562

Does TheWind coach both oGs and Liquid' guys?

StorkHwaiting

United States3465 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1563

I'm starting to think that Zerg absolutely must utilize baneling drops and mixing in roaches. This endless massing of mutas just does not work vs good terrans. It's SO much gas and it gets killed so quickly. Zerg absolutely needs some more tanking power in there and roaches mop up tanks jsut as well as mutas do if the marines are out of the picture. The roaches have the dual function of being pretty bang-on at killing marines in smaller numbers as well.

I forget who but there was a ZvT on Jungle Basin the set right after Idra vs Jinro, and the Zerg crushed the terran in similar positions with the terran taking the third and PFing it while the Zerg took third and going for fourth. Muta/ling/bling is really maneuverable but it just doesn't have any staying power. Roaches also don't clump up with the lings during the attacks so if lings are taking the tank shots, roaches are behind mopping it all up. It just spreads the money out on the map a lot more, which I think zerg desperately need vs this much splash damage.

Also, I think the ridiculous micro Korean terrans possess are just negating baneling and infestor play when those are the only real counters Zerg has to mass marines. There's a serious problem going on with that dynamic where tanks counter banelings and infestors extremely well yet Zerg doesn't have any cost efficient counter. They absolutely must have a better eco, which many of the maps do not support. And even with a better eco, much of it is negated by terrain features.

soupchicken

United States322 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1564

On January 23 2011 15:30 Cyanocyst wrote:

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FG range 6, Siege tanks range 13.

Its just really hard to use Fg effectively vs tanks. Also, even if you get a good FG, you still might loose an infestor, given their cost its quite detrimental.

FG range is 9 btw. You can sneak up on tanks with burrow and toss a few infested terran. Even if he scans his tanks autofire on infested terran because they're closer. Infestors work very well against tanks. And even if they don't, you DO have other units. So you can basically fungal marines and then clean up tanks with slings/roaches.

Also, Terran love baiting with marines. Fungaling a group of Marines to death always makes me smile.

RHMVNovus

United States738 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1565

Let's see if Gorillas are...

*sunglasses*

marine mammals

JJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AJMcSpiffy

United States1154 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1566

On January 23 2011 15:34 brain_ wrote:
Lol, from johnfacts.com:

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My mind has officially been blown

allecto

328 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1567

Why can't this just be a boxing match so Jinro is guaranteed into the finals?

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES51083 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1568

On January 23 2011 15:36 bkrow wrote:
Does TheWind coach both oGs and Liquid' guys?

I believe so!

Ezekyle

Australia607 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1569

Anyone else notice the interesting parallels to IdrA vs Jinro? Game 1 is a crushing victory for the Zerg on XNC, then loses due to a bunker rush and close position Shakuras backdoor push, then ends up losing 1-3 because of Jungle Basin.

Asha

United Kingdom38257 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1570

Oh my, I'm getting all excited. Hope this is as exciting as the first semi was =D

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10375 Posts

January 23 2011 06:36 GMT

#1571

Reaction to Nestea/MVP

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NOO NESTEAA NOOO after seeing him win on xel'naga, I thought for sure he'd take the semis, by winning at least on shakuras and metal.

did he spawn close on metal or something?