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On January 19 2011 20:26 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:15 KonohaFlash wrote: So are people going to keep saying MarineKing isn't better than NaDa still? did you even watch the games? NaDa should have won game 1 and 3 easily, just stupid mistakes, has nothing to do with MarineKing's skill But its oftenly the one who does the least mistakes that wins...no?
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On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote: Code A Ro4:
TTTT
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TTTZ
Fuck everything.
Lol didn't even notice that.
Watch the Z end up winning again (tho with these 3 terrans that is asking a lot).
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On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote: Code A Ro4:
TTTT
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Fuck everything.
why u mad bro everyone knows Z is op! buff mules.
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On January 19 2011 20:17 Node wrote: Well, if it's any consolation for those games, I think Jinro definitely has the capability to stomp MKP.
Foxer used superior mobility and strategy to beat Jinro's marine + tank push in the round of 16 ( was it round of 16? ) .
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On January 19 2011 20:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:22 starfries wrote: MKP's style really shouldn't be working, but somehow he's pulling wins out of his ass with micro and decision making... I love it His style is actually quite strong. The base trades are a key part of his strategy (whether he knows it or not). He basically exploits the immobility of tank + marine as Artosis said, except that because he's Terran and not Zerg or Protoss, he has the ability to come back from base races. The correct way to play against him is to play defensively. You cannot match his mobility but you can treat his marine medivac forces like mutalisks and aim for the late-game, when you can defend and push at the same time with a 200/200 army. This is not easy however as marines do not have an easy counter like Thors. You basically have to be on the watch for his forces all the time and build some vikings to snipe his medivacs when you can.
If you let a Terran take the map the way a Zerg will then you're boned. If he gets the gold and you don't the difference in economy will be huge
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MKP's got the advantage of having only had to prepare TvTs for the last 2 sets. So his TvT will be getting pretty solid. And since there's only one zerg left, finals looking like a TvT too. Marine King has the chance to take this.
I'm hoping MVP and MKP go through. Fightit out for the first GSL Terran and for the title of best Terran!
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Jinro, please prepare for base trades and you should be fine.
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On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote: Code A Ro4:
TTTT
Code S Ro4:
TTTZ
Fuck everything.
Haha, yeah, the race mixture leaves something to be desired...
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On January 19 2011 20:27 hellsan631 wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, i present to you, the biggest thing to happen in the GSL. John wears a suit! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CZsl9.png)
Shocking.. The universe may in fact be imploding
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On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote: Code A Ro4:
TTTT
Code S Ro4:
TTTZ
Fuck everything.
Dont forget IEM TTTTTTTTTTPP
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On January 19 2011 20:28 CryMeAReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:22 Pewt wrote:On January 19 2011 20:20 On_Slaught wrote: Has MKP made a unit other than marines, medivacs and the occasional marauder yet in TvT?
Gameplanning for him should be so easy for Jinro. How did he beat jinro in the ro16? Marines and medivacs. He made plenty of siege tanks against Jinro. He is usually MMM heavy with the occasional siege tank and/or viking. Has Jinro made a unit other than MMMVT and the occasional viking yet in tvt? Gameplanning for him should be easy for MarineKing. How did he lose to MKP in the ro16? Getting outplayed and outmicroed. Its just the units comps for the different style. dont hate cus ur nadas fanboi, plox Actually against marineking he went refinery before barracks into hellion and banshee harass.
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Nada was way out of his comfort zone today. You can see he was floundering and made bad decisions when he had the ball in a base elimination. If anything his failure to lift his cc's early was a huge blunder, since MKP always had that card while Nada didn't.
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On January 19 2011 20:28 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:27 Holgerius wrote:On January 19 2011 20:25 jalstar wrote:On January 19 2011 20:23 Holgerius wrote:On January 19 2011 20:21 jalstar wrote:On January 19 2011 20:18 Holgerius wrote: Foxer 100% deserved to win that series due to Nada's depressingly bad decision making, but I really don't think his style is good at all. A competent Terran should smash him. Explain how he's 24-7 in TvTs then. What Terrans hasn't he played anyway? Ensnare? Slayers_Boxer? It's sort of like when Kwanro got results for a while in BW, knocking out people like Flash from Starleagues. Once they figure this out, he'll have to stop playing like this. Nah, it's more like people complaining about Savior going 3 hatch muta all the time. I don't think so. I feel quite certain that Foxer will not get away with making pure marines in TvT for much longer. People have been saying that since November Yeah, every time MarineKing wins a set one of the commentators questions how much longer he can keep winning sets.
I hope he sticks around for a lot longer because I'm never more entertained by a GSL match than when he's playing.
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If two Terran get into the finals, maybe we'll finally have a Terran champion.
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On January 19 2011 20:28 noD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote: Code A Ro4:
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Fuck everything. like it wasnt tttz on season 1 and 2 .... Sorry I thought we were still with protoss is OP I didnt get the memo.
When will people stop crying and just enjoy the games.
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On January 19 2011 20:28 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:27 Holgerius wrote:On January 19 2011 20:25 jalstar wrote:On January 19 2011 20:23 Holgerius wrote:On January 19 2011 20:21 jalstar wrote:On January 19 2011 20:18 Holgerius wrote: Foxer 100% deserved to win that series due to Nada's depressingly bad decision making, but I really don't think his style is good at all. A competent Terran should smash him. Explain how he's 24-7 in TvTs then. What Terrans hasn't he played anyway? Ensnare? Slayers_Boxer? It's sort of like when Kwanro got results for a while in BW, knocking out people like Flash from Starleagues. Once they figure this out, he'll have to stop playing like this. Nah, it's more like people complaining about Savior going 3 hatch muta all the time. I don't think so. I feel quite certain that Foxer will not get away with making pure marines in TvT for much longer. People have been saying that since November
Nada was in a better position in both game 1 and game 3, so yeah I truly think that his "build" was better. However, he handled those situations pretty poorly, which is surely related to the fact that he doesnt play a lot.
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On January 19 2011 20:29 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 20:27 Azarkon wrote:On January 19 2011 20:22 starfries wrote: MKP's style really shouldn't be working, but somehow he's pulling wins out of his ass with micro and decision making... I love it His style is actually quite strong. The base trades are a key part of his strategy (whether he knows it or not). He basically exploits the immobility of tank + marine as Artosis said, except that because he's Terran and not Zerg or Protoss, he has the ability to come back from base races. The correct way to play against him is to play defensively. You cannot match his mobility but you can treat his marine medivac forces like mutalisks and aim for the late-game, when you can defend and push at the same time with a 200/200 army. This is not easy however as marines do not have an easy counter like Thors. You basically have to be on the watch for his forces all the time and build some vikings to snipe his medivacs when you can. If you let a Terran take the map the way a Zerg will then you're boned. If he gets the gold and you don't the difference in economy will be huge
On certain maps, his strategy is probably the optimal one.
On others, you can likely take your gold as well with siege tanks and bunkers.
Also, if you do base trade, which you can because you have the better army, be prepared to turtle at the gold once it's done.
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WOuldnt blue flame hellions just wreck MKP's strategy?
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Jinro needs to do some major theory crafting on base trade scenarios before this match.
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