EPT[IEM] European Championship Finals - Kiev, Ukraine - Page 8
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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kyla
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kyla
198 Posts
On January 18 2011 20:19 eltese wrote: Yeah will be fun to see if socke and white-ra brings it. Also since Im swedish I really want to see merz and sjow do well, though there are a lot of good terrans there. Im guessing top 3 will look something like this (and Im probably gonna be totally wrong) : 1. White-Ra 2. Naama 3. SjoW Sjow? XD | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
TTTTTTT>PPP>ZZ for every "rly good" p/z player, i could name 3 terrans, for every "top tier" p/z player i could name 2-3 terrans. look at all the smaller tournaments and u will see. sure mana/white-ra/socke/dimaga/morrow etc wins alot too, but they are also TOP TOP tier, but theyre still 2-3x as many terrans, although not as many on their lvl. normally 6-7 out of 10 are terrans in euope top10. i dont know why this is. perhaps the fact that terran was OP for some time, and the fact that most terrans were earlier pros, so they werent just abusers but were good, and then kept playing, idk. edit: oh yeah and GoOdy will be interesting xD his games always go 25min+ and he never attacks xD when he wins some big battle his standard reponse is always more CC's and factories  which i guess is very good and safe tvt, as its easy to lose ur patience and suicide into a well made siege line | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 19 2011 22:06 CryMeAReaper wrote: guys. you have to understand, that in europe the distribution of good players go like this: TTTTTTT>PPP>ZZ for every "rly good" p/z player, i could name 3 terrans, for every "top tier" p/z player i could name 2-3 terrans. look at all the smaller tournaments and u will see. sure mana/white-ra/socke/dimaga/morrow etc wins alot too, but they are also TOP TOP tier, but theyre still 2-3x as many terrans, although not as many on their lvl. normally 6-7 out of 10 are terrans in euope top10. i dont know why this is. perhaps the fact that terran was OP for some time, and the fact that most terrans were earlier pros, so they werent just abusers but were good, and then kept playing, idk. edit: oh yeah and GoOdy will be interesting xD his games always go 25min+ and he never attacks xD when he wins some big battle his standard reponse is always more CC's and factories which i guess is very good and safe tvt, as its easy to lose ur patience and suicide into a well made siege line So basically what you are saying is that the terran players are simply better than the zerg players. Well I am not saying that is no true, but it might also be total bullshit. You just know more top tier terran players because they are more succesful in tournaments, which again could be related to imbalance. There is simple no way to verify that either way. Therefore one should be cautious with such judgements. | ||
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wopaahh
150 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
On January 19 2011 22:49 Redox wrote: So basically what you are saying is that the terran players are simply better than the zerg players. Well I am not saying that is no true, but it might also be total bullshit. You just know more top tier terran players because they are more succesful in tournaments, which again could be related to imbalance. There is simple no way to verify that either way. Therefore one should be cautious with such judgements. Hes saying theres not as many good Zergs as there are good Protoss and Terrans in Europe, which is true. What top Zergs are there in Europe? Now think of all the top Terrans and Protoss and you get the point. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
That really annoys me I must say, I dont want my watching of sc2 to be interrupted by games I dont care about. edit: According to the schedule, first sc2 games will be casted at 17.00 while the games actually begin at 12:00. That cant be right. I really hope there is some other cast that is just not mentioned in the schedule. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 19 2011 22:59 magha wrote: Hes saying theres not as many good Zergs as there are good Protoss and Terrans in Europe, which is true. What top Zergs are there in Europe? Now think of all the top Terrans and Protoss and you get the point. You didnt get my point. So I will try to explain it. How do you define who is a top player? I am pretty sure you are going by success in tournaments. So here is a hypothetical (or real? ) sceneario with imbalance:The top zergs win basically no tournaments, or just very rarely. Which means that the zerg player number 10 skillwise never even reaches finals. So you will never take zerg player number 10 serious as a top player. In contrast to that the top terran players win many tournaments. So terran player number 10 doesnt win a lot, but a few, maybe as much as the top zergs. This leads to you regarding him as a top player. So as a result of this your impression is, that there are 10 top terran players, but only 2 or 3 top zerg players. While this is actually the result of imbalance. Now this scenario might not actually be the truth and zerg players are indeed worse, or there are less good zergs. But there is no way you could know that. And the fact that even the top zerg players do not win much is at least a good indication that zerg indeed do have it more difficult. | ||
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Lurxer
Germany24 Posts
On January 19 2011 23:01 Redox wrote: If I understand the schedule right, there will be sc2 games going on that will not be casted because of counter strike or other stuff being shown at the same time. Can they not organize a second caster or something to cover these games? That really annoys me I must say, I dont want my watching of sc2 to be interrupted by games I dont care about. edit: According to the schedule, first sc2 games will be casted at 17.00 while the games actually begin at 12:00. That cant be right. I really hope there is some other cast that is just not mentioned in the schedule. According to the ESL page there will a Stream from Studio2 wich will stream Starcraft matches all day. We offer a second stream, which shows the StarCraft 2 matches that will not be played on stage - our commentators Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider and Phil "FiLLy" Klockow will be casting them from Studio 2. Click to see exactly what matches are being broadcasted by the second stream! Source: http://tv.esl.eu/de/#/de/program/2011-01-21-15 | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 19 2011 23:34 Lurxer wrote: According to the ESL page there will a Stream from Studio2 wich will stream Starcraft matches all day. Thank you very much, I am relieved now.  | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 19 2011 22:06 CryMeAReaper wrote: guys. you have to understand, that in europe the distribution of good players go like this: TTTTTTT>PPP>ZZ for every "rly good" p/z player, i could name 3 terrans, for every "top tier" p/z player i could name 2-3 terrans. look at all the smaller tournaments and u will see. sure mana/white-ra/socke/dimaga/morrow etc wins alot too, but they are also TOP TOP tier, but theyre still 2-3x as many terrans, although not as many on their lvl. normally 6-7 out of 10 are terrans in euope top10. i dont know why this is. perhaps the fact that terran was OP for some time, and the fact that most terrans were earlier pros, so they werent just abusers but were good, and then kept playing, idk. edit: oh yeah and GoOdy will be interesting xD his games always go 25min+ and he never attacks xD when he wins some big battle his standard reponse is always more CC's and factories which i guess is very good and safe tvt, as its easy to lose ur patience and suicide into a well made siege line That's funny, let me present you something you say there are more players and you draw a 7-3-2 ratio. So let's double that number, because it woudl be too small, so 4-6-14 (let's exclude those in korea) Zergs: let's see who's top 4 out of the top of my head wihtout giving it too much thinking, Dimaga, Morrow, Nerchio and Darkforce Protoss: White-ra, Socke, Hasu, Naniwa, Mana and ohm, maybe Nightend and Terrans: Demuslim, Kas, Tarson, Sjow, Strelok, Naama, Goody, Cloud, Bratok ohmmm Sarens, merz,and predy? Do you think all these players (you can change some of the names to personal preference) are in one leauge, say S, and the others in a code A or below? let's try to make a code A. Z: Madfrog, Stephano, Naugrim, Lalush P: pf, im in a problem now, Bischu, ommm, Elfi? guys sorry i cant even name 6 code A Protosses from europe T: well, Thorzain i guess, Satiini, Jimpo, inuh maybe, pff, who else, Fury maybe? sorry guys im out once again. So please, put this question to yourself? Are players like merz and predy on the same level as Dimaga and Morrow? Are they above the skill level of Madfrog or Lalush? And speaking of them, are they in the same leauge as those couple enumarated, and the others who shoud be there, but i just cant name them, becuase they re simply too insignificant (could have missed 1 or 2 big names, sorry for that)? I for one could name a number of other Zergs who are really skilled such as Mondragon, Deathangel, Bly, Syz, Ciara, Osho, who unfortunately would have to get something like code B. So think this trhough and answer me, is the reason for lack of Zerg players the lack of talented gamers playing that race? I certainly dont want to start a flame-war or a race-fight, things like this could happen in a 100% balanced situation (though it would be a statisctical anomaly) just food for thought, and let me know if you really think this is the sitation | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On January 20 2011 00:30 RotterdaM wrote: Yes that is correct, same goes for Fenix and QXC, I just arrived here in Kiev and must say this netcafe, cyberarena is freaking cool ;D, prolly best netcafe i've visitted and I went to many in my life :D, gonna meet a few players soon and tomorrow it kicks off, gonna be a great event dispite 10 terrans, im sure of that! :p I want the power of MULES mentioned in every game >  If you repeat it enough, it might get changed! Also, White-ra will absorb the ukranian hometown vibe to power to victory, the guy is in scary scary shape atm. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
wtf so many terrans, it's ridiculous. sorry. | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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dignitasNewmaN
Sweden137 Posts
On January 20 2011 00:53 Geo.Rion wrote: So please, put this question to yourself? Are players like merz and predy on the same level as Dimaga and Morrow? Are they above the skill level of Madfrog or Lalush? And speaking of them, are they in the same leauge as those couple enumarated, and the others who shoud be there, but i just cant name them, becuase they re simply too insignificant (could have missed 1 or 2 big names, sorry for that)? merz qualifying results: vs Demuslim 2-0 vs Dimaga 2-1 vs KroLu 2-0 Just saying. | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On January 20 2011 00:53 Geo.Rion wrote: Are players like merz and predy on the same level as Dimaga and Morrow? Are they above the skill level of Madfrog or Lalush? And speaking of them, are they in the same leauge as those couple enumarated, and the others who shoud be there, but i just cant name them, becuase they re simply too insignificant (could have missed 1 or 2 big names, sorry for that)? I for one could name a number of other Zergs who are really skilled such as Mondragon, Deathangel, Bly, Syz, Ciara, Osho, who unfortunately would have to get something like code B. Ths is exactly why Carmac posted what he did. If you say 'player X is bad, player Y is soooo much better - he should be there instead' you have to explain to us all why they didnt win the qualifying tournaments? As far as I know, everyone of them had the chance to enter - yet the either didnt, or lost. So who is better really? Many players are carried by their profile, there is never any doubt that the best way to audition for an important offline LAN is not to go through the fanmail, but to get the guys to play some damn sc2 matches to determine who has the 'right' to go. Otherwise, we would never have any new players breaking through into the pro scene, if every tournament was invite only and only the same people got invited. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
I understand that no Z players qualified and only 2 Toss got in, and i have respect for all these players as being some of the best Europe has to offer. Ill do what most others will do, check if WhiteRa or Socke are doing well and tune in if any good PvT matches happen. Good luck to everyone and i hope you have a great tournament! | ||
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