• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:39
CEST 14:39
KST 21:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou21Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four3BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET7Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)81
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou The New Patch Killed Mech! Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Season 3 Qualifier Links and Dates $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st) SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Is there anyway to get a private coach? SnOw's Awful Building Placements vs barracks
Tourneys
ASL final tickets help [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B 300$ 3D!Community Brood War Super Cup #4
Strategy
TvP Upgrades Relatively freeroll strategies [I] Funny Protoss Builds/Strategies [I] TvP Marine Usage
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1886 users

[IEM] European Championship Finals - Kiev, Ukraine - Page 9

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 17 Next All
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
January 19 2011 22:08 GMT
#161
white-ra on form and only having to practise one match up? no contest :D
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 22:45:48
January 19 2011 22:38 GMT
#162
Im curious how SarenS will play, he doesn't participate in many weekly cups, but I think he has a good chance to reach the next round
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 23:45:40
January 19 2011 23:44 GMT
#163
On January 20 2011 06:50 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 00:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
So please, put this question to yourself? Are players like merz and predy on the same level as Dimaga and Morrow? Are they above the skill level of Madfrog or Lalush? And speaking of them, are they in the same leauge as those couple enumarated, and the others who shoud be there, but i just cant name them, becuase they re simply too insignificant (could have missed 1 or 2 big names, sorry for that)?


merz qualifying results:
vs Demuslim 2-0
vs Dimaga 2-1
vs KroLu 2-0

Just saying.

you totally missed my point. I have not said Merz is a bad player or anything like that.

On January 20 2011 07:04 resilve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 00:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
Are players like merz and predy on the same level as Dimaga and Morrow? Are they above the skill level of Madfrog or Lalush? And speaking of them, are they in the same leauge as those couple enumarated, and the others who shoud be there, but i just cant name them, becuase they re simply too insignificant (could have missed 1 or 2 big names, sorry for that)?
I for one could name a number of other Zergs who are really skilled such as Mondragon, Deathangel, Bly, Syz, Ciara, Osho, who unfortunately would have to get something like code B.



Ths is exactly why Carmac posted what he did.

If you say 'player X is bad, player Y is soooo much better - he should be there instead' you have to explain to us all why they didnt win the qualifying tournaments?

As far as I know, everyone of them had the chance to enter - yet the either didnt, or lost.

So who is better really?

Many players are carried by their profile, there is never any doubt that the best way to audition for an important offline LAN is not to go through the fanmail, but to get the guys to play some damn sc2 matches to determine who has the 'right' to go.

Otherwise, we would never have any new players breaking through into the pro scene, if every tournament was invite only and only the same people got invited.

you too, but even worse. The guy is saying there is a lack of zerg player at the highest level regardless of balance, european talented gamers pick terran or maybe P but not T. I tried my best to stay pollitcally correct and explain, that there would be a player pool of zerg gamers with skills, yet they fail to qualify for some reason.

You 2 guys's counterarguments, yes, Merz beat dimaga, Yes, all the Zergs lost hence they are worse.

Do you guys really not see a flaw in that logic? I'm not trying to say there are people who don't deserve to be in there
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
January 20 2011 08:53 GMT
#164
You have to realize that some of the qualifier-matches were played at unfortunate times. For example it's easy to explain why Morrow didn't qualify: he switched to zerg and was still in the process of learning his race (not saying he has mastered them yet, he is still getting better constantly....unless he is screwing around with protoss too much lol).
I'd say zergs in Europe have always struggled the most out of all realms, since zerg was really weak in the release-version few people managed to persist on the highest level and really "develop" the race.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
kyla
Profile Joined November 2010
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 09:01:20
January 20 2011 08:58 GMT
#165
just recently naama said in an interview that he thinks white-ra or socke will win the tourney.
We will see but i think hes right.
why are you guys discussing about merz? he wont win anything in kiev either way.Winning some Bo3s doesnt make him better.
gl white-ra!
Im also curious why the ESL travels from the Germany to the Ukraine? Is the location cheaper?
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
January 20 2011 09:04 GMT
#166
Fuck yeah TvT! So many PvZs lately.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 20 2011 09:10 GMT
#167
I am curious to see what new developments this tournament will bring to TvT. European TvT is really good and I am sure the players have prepared some new strats.
Off-season = best season
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
January 20 2011 09:32 GMT
#168
On January 20 2011 00:53 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 22:06 CryMeAReaper wrote:
guys. you have to understand, that in europe the distribution of good players go like this:

TTTTTTT>PPP>ZZ

for every "rly good" p/z player, i could name 3 terrans, for every "top tier" p/z player i could name 2-3 terrans.

look at all the smaller tournaments and u will see. sure mana/white-ra/socke/dimaga/morrow etc wins alot too, but they are also TOP TOP tier, but theyre still 2-3x as many terrans, although not as many on their lvl. normally 6-7 out of 10 are terrans in euope top10.

i dont know why this is. perhaps the fact that terran was OP for some time, and the fact that most terrans were earlier pros, so they werent just abusers but were good, and then kept playing, idk.

edit: oh yeah and GoOdy will be interesting xD his games always go 25min+ and he never attacks xD when he wins some big battle his standard reponse is always more CC's and factories which i guess is very good and safe tvt, as its easy to lose ur patience and suicide into a well made siege line

That's funny, let me present you something you say there are more players and you draw a 7-3-2 ratio.
So let's double that number, because it woudl be too small, so 4-6-14 (let's exclude those in korea)

Zergs: let's see who's top 4 out of the top of my head wihtout giving it too much thinking, Dimaga, Morrow, Nerchio and Darkforce
Protoss: White-ra, Socke, Hasu, Naniwa, Mana and ohm, maybe Nightend
and Terrans: Demuslim, Kas, Tarson, Sjow, Strelok, Naama, Goody, Cloud, Bratok ohmmm Sarens, merz,and predy?

Do you think all these players (you can change some of the names to personal preference) are in one leauge, say S, and the others in a code A or below? let's try to make a code A.
Z: Madfrog, Stephano, Naugrim, Lalush
P: pf, im in a problem now, Bischu, ommm, Elfi? guys sorry i cant even name 6 code A Protosses from europe
T: well, Thorzain i guess, Satiini, Jimpo, inuh maybe, pff, who else, Fury maybe? sorry guys im out once again.

So please, put this question to yourself? Are players like merz and predy on the same level as Dimaga and Morrow? Are they above the skill level of Madfrog or Lalush? And speaking of them, are they in the same leauge as those couple enumarated, and the others who shoud be there, but i just cant name them, becuase they re simply too insignificant (could have missed 1 or 2 big names, sorry for that)?
I for one could name a number of other Zergs who are really skilled such as Mondragon, Deathangel, Bly, Syz, Ciara, Osho, who unfortunately would have to get something like code B.

So think this trhough and answer me, is the reason for lack of Zerg players the lack of talented gamers playing that race? I certainly dont want to start a flame-war or a race-fight, things like this could happen in a 100% balanced situation (though it would be a statisctical anomaly) just food for thought, and let me know if you really think this is the sitation


It most certainly has something to do with alot of the qualifications being played pre the zerg buff. But also, there are just alot of terrans in EU, and theres not as many of the other races, even tho its getting much better with P recently. Now i dont know why terrans are doing so well in EU. Maybe terrans has something to do with the understanding being better for Terran in EU, or imbalance, or simply just due to the fact that theres more terran players, and its more likely theres gonna be more terrans than P/Z.
(>*-*)><( *-* )><(*-*<) DoDTimber on Bnet
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 20 2011 09:44 GMT
#169
certainly watching this, can't miss such a rare occasion to root for czech player at big tournament!
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
January 20 2011 10:01 GMT
#170
Hm...seems crazy this isnt on the sidebar of upcoming events on the TL calendar.

Would get so much more interest and viewers
Socke Fighting!!!!
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
January 20 2011 10:03 GMT
#171
The event appears on the side bar, but the stream link doesn't
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 20 2011 10:04 GMT
#172
Socke vs Goody? Guess I better stretch out and prepare for Goody sitting on 2-3 bases for 45 minutes. Maybe I'll knit a sweater.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 20 2011 10:05 GMT
#173
Stream started.

Free:
http://tv.esl.eu/de/login/validate#/de/55-flv-fs2/

Premium:
http://tv.esl.eu/de/login/validate#/de/55-flv-ps2/

No octoshape required anymore.
Off-season = best season
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 20 2011 10:07 GMT
#174
No more octoshape, yay! No more problems! ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Losiek
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland32 Posts
January 20 2011 10:09 GMT
#175
could someone post link to premium VLC ?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 20 2011 10:15 GMT
#176
What the fuck Cloud...
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
January 20 2011 10:20 GMT
#177
Wow how did Cloud win this
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 10:22:33
January 20 2011 10:20 GMT
#178
Ioves me some bio TvT. Nice sandwich by Cloud, wasn't positive it was going to work when all of his units got hung up on the ramp.

Barbariantoss fighting. C'moooon Socke.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 20 2011 10:21 GMT
#179
I knew i recognised that voice. It was hasu.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
January 20 2011 10:22 GMT
#180
Anyone watching the main stream? I love the commentary of Joe Miller, and its gonna stream a nice mix of quake, 1.6, and SC2.
...
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
Group A
WardiTV825
TKL 161
IndyStarCraft 135
Rex88
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 277
TKL 161
IndyStarCraft 135
Rex 88
LamboSC2 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38114
Hyuk 7859
GuemChi 3277
Shuttle 1430
Flash 1387
EffOrt 631
Hyun 585
Mind 402
Larva 246
Leta 208
[ Show more ]
Light 191
Mini 166
Pusan 166
ZerO 133
Rush 123
Mong 69
ToSsGirL 53
Shinee 53
Sharp 41
sorry 38
JulyZerg 36
zelot 26
Icarus 25
Backho 22
Noble 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 3
Dota 2
Gorgc2547
qojqva1328
Dendi524
420jenkins312
XcaliburYe162
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1960
x6flipin620
allub262
oskar136
Other Games
singsing2047
B2W.Neo387
crisheroes353
Sick300
Lowko249
Liquid`LucifroN121
Happy110
Trikslyr27
Chillindude15
ZerO(Twitch)8
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL259
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 63
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 469
Upcoming Events
Online Event
3h 22m
RSL Revival
13h 22m
RSL Revival
21h 22m
WardiTV Invitational
22h 22m
OSC
1d 2h
SKillous vs goblin
Spirit vs GgMaChine
ByuN vs MaxPax
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 23h
CrankTV Team League
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.