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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 12 2011 14:49 GMT
#1081
Nestea and MVP; expected. Shame about boxer but the best two players advanced imo.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 12 2011 14:49 GMT
#1082
So is there any place I can see this BO Zenio used in the first game against Tester?
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
January 12 2011 15:44 GMT
#1083
On January 12 2011 22:16 dookudooku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 21:59 Husnan wrote:
On January 12 2011 21:46 marcmtlca wrote:
sqrt(-5) has an imaginary value and there is nothing wrong in using that symbol. The term i is given to the imaginary value sqrt(-1) because in certain situations allowing for it permits you to come to results you couldn't otherwise.

To the person who was trying to act all superior and challenge the other dude on the math. I challenge you to explain to me why it is wrong to use sqrt(-5) instead of sqrt(5)i.



sqrt(-5) is wrong because sqrt() is a function defined on the interval [0;+infinity[ by the following :
if a is a number greater or equal to 0, sqrt(a) is the positive solution of the equation x² = a.

So sqrt(a) doesnt exist if a is a negative number. Which is why it's not acceptable to say that i = sqrt(-1) or sqrt(-5) = i times sqrt(5).


This is completely off-topic, but you just made a huge fool of yourself. Let me guess, you just typed sqrt( ) into Google and then copy-and-pasted a description of the function for some programming language.

That doesn't mean sqrt(a) doesn't exist if a is a negative number. It's perfectly acceptable to say that i = sqrt(-1). Earlier programming languages may lack a built-in complex number class, but that doesn't mean it's mathematically incorrect.

It should be noted that mathematically, sqrt is not a function at all since there are two square roots to any number, but we are just writing it out like a function because that's a lot easier than using the radical symbol.


Off-topic but I would say you're wrong. Of course there's no single one math book to go look at for "the correct answer". But by common convention mathematicians never write sqrt and a negative number.
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DuckSausage
Profile Joined March 2009
United States83 Posts
January 12 2011 15:46 GMT
#1084
On January 12 2011 21:58 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 21:14 kmkkmk wrote:
On January 12 2011 21:06 MrCon wrote:
On January 12 2011 21:01 kmkkmk wrote:
On January 12 2011 20:53 konaman wrote:
On January 12 2011 20:51 The KY wrote:
On January 12 2011 20:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On January 12 2011 20:47 Ummbeefy wrote:
Tasteless screwing up so many details here. Maps, players, units, it doesn't matter this week he's got them all wrong.

Oh well, with this pace at least I'll get some more sleep than yesterday's max length games.


Careful, the last time I complained about the casters, I got hated on for 3 consecutive page by all the fanboys who just "love the funny jokes"


Maybe because most of us know what the maps, units and players are and understand what tastosis mean when they make a slip up so it in no way affects our enjoyment of the match?


Artosis is pretty much flawless but Tasteless finds himself out of his depth left right and centre, there is also a laughable fanboyism surrounding them when anyone expresses anything other than blatant nuthugging. Tasteless gets away with his lackluster analysis of the game though because he is such a likable person.


Because they both DID SHIT to back up the fanboyism, they have earned it and deserve it.

That's true, but as much as I respect Artosis, as much as Tasteless lives in his glorious past. Just go watch a broodwar cast from him and compare. He had knowledge, he was funny, well, he was good at casting. Now he doesn't know the game, he's telling the same sentences over and over, he adds nothing but some funny jokes from time to time. If artosis wasn't there and he was casting alone, teamliquid would riot against gom about them hiring someone incompetent. I respected and loved tasteless a lot before, now he's just a burden with zero added value for the show.
I hate to sound like a hater but that's what I feel about him, I'm sure he doesn't play the game, it's not possible. I'm sure he never talk about starcraft or play starcraft, or read about starcraft when he's not paid for it.


So what? I feel that Artosis is more funny with Tasteless beside him and since they do a great job I am happy with it and complain about stuff that matters, like US wikileaks policy. Also pointing out Tasteless great achievements is no argument against him, many men have done one great thing and earned the respect the rest of their lives. I am fine with that too it seems sensible.

I understand your love for Tasteless as I used to like him a lot myself, but this is just blind fanboyism at the highest level. Winning one tournament doesn't mean you are auto-qualified for the rest of your life. Being good in the past can't guarantee your job in the future.

Tasteless is a fun, likable esport character who has contributed a lot to the development of the scene and all that, but his recent poor performance still deserves some criticisms, even more now that:

- We, SC fans, are actually paying to see him casting.

- Good Starcraft commentators are not a rare thing like it used to be a few years back. There are just so many basement commentators out there who have showed massive amount of passion and effort into getting good at the job, and would literally KILL to have the opportunity that Tasteless' enjoying for once.

- We are at the dawn of a new era in esport. The advance of the game and the progaming scene in the West is heavily relied on the people who are carrying the flag right now. Back in the SCBW GOM Classic days, if Tasteless screwed up it would hardly hurt anything. Today there are just so much more potential, hope and investment dollars at stakes. Tasteless can't treat his job like a hobby anymore (but for some reason it looks like he still does).

I don't get to listen to GSL Korean commentary except for the brief moments before an important match when they showed some highlights of the players' previous games in Korean casting. What struck me was the level of excitement - it was so much higher than the English cast, their voices hyped me so much and I don't even understand a Korean word. IMO the reason for that difference is simple and obvious - the Korean casters treat their job seriously. GSL is their career and GOM is their boss. Tasteless on the other hand never looks like he is working for GOM and is an integral part of GSL's success, but more like a backpacker who is just having fun in South Korea.


I second this post.

Like others in this thread, I started out watching Tasteless cast the GOM Classic. Back then, he was original/informative/entertaining. Now though... Now, I would say he's only marginally entertaining, at best.

The originality and information that could once be attributed to Tasteless' commentaries are simply no longer there. All that's left is the occasional lame joke found in a sea of dull product placement and player introductions. Hardly something that I would classify as entertaining.

It's sad to see such decline in quality, but such things happen. I, for one, would not mind him being replaced. And, as the casts go on, I'm actually hoping that replacement comes sooner rather than later.

One of the main--and only--reasons I watch this now is because of Artosis. The guy is everything Tasteless used to be, and then some. Hell, his casts are generally so well-rounded, he could probably shoulder the 5 hour casting burden by himself!
Do not want.
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
January 12 2011 15:51 GMT
#1085
Commentating can be very, very hard to keep up. I'm not surprised to see tasteless slightly burned out and the quality started to drop significantly.
He needs a break from the constant casting career and get more into the game itself, but people don't always get their wish.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
January 12 2011 16:07 GMT
#1086
On January 13 2011 00:51 hmsrenown wrote:
Commentating can be very, very hard to keep up. I'm not surprised to see tasteless slightly burned out and the quality started to drop significantly.
He needs a break from the constant casting career and get more into the game itself, but people don't always get their wish.

True, he can't hold up with highest level of play. Artosis is much deeper in the game and makes Tasteless almost seem retarded with the jokes about the Tasteless build.
Tasteless shoud be replaced in my opinion, he isn't even funny. He just repeats every Artosis jokes when they are no longer surprising and funny.
RedusK
Profile Joined December 2010
United States37 Posts
January 12 2011 16:25 GMT
#1087
On January 12 2011 23:49 On_Slaught wrote:
Nestea and MVP; expected. Shame about boxer but the best two players advanced imo.


Yes, MVP is so good he wins without even playing. What a baller!

In terms of the commenting, I agree that Tasteless is really, really getting carried by Artosis, increasingly so. He gets the name of the players wrong on a regular basis, misses very important stuff like expansions going up, calls games way too early, calls everything an all-in, confuses builds and invents trends for players out of thin air (something day9 does as well...).

I can absolutely see though how it must be terribly hard to comment game after game while staying entertaining and insightful, and I think that hiring new commenters for code A will hopefully allow Tasteless to come into Code S commentary fresher and more focused.
If you're not riding on the edge, you're taking up too much space
MahatmaSC2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States192 Posts
January 12 2011 16:30 GMT
#1088
On a different note, the observer has been doing very well lately! People were yelling at him at first, and it seems like he wanted to make it easy-on-the-eyes by moving slowly instead of now where he just goes somewhere on the map. He and tastosis seem to be on the same page now.
Team ZeNEX fighting!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 12 2011 16:31 GMT
#1089
On January 12 2011 23:49 -Archangel- wrote:
So is there any place I can see this BO Zenio used in the first game against Tester?

He just made a fast lair, fast spire.
God Bless
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
January 12 2011 16:33 GMT
#1090
On January 12 2011 21:10 dtz wrote:
well. that might be unfair or cheesy but i feel its apt that Tester did the last pylon block ever since it was him that invented that strategy and people call it the Tester pylon. An apt way to end for a strategy that shaped PvZ for so nearly 6 months now.


I was annoyed when I saw Tester do the pylon block today, but after reading your post, my opinion has changed. How could I have forgot the brilliance/shock that was running through everyone's heads (including IdrA I assume) when he pulled it off in the beta.

I am a protoss player and I feel that strategy is very strong and abusive, and I do hope that tester really did the last pylon block ever. But I have a feeling that using 3 pylons might still put the protoss ahead on some maps.
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
January 12 2011 16:35 GMT
#1091
Give it time. The tasteless build was pretty good in beta, but that's as far as that build went...now I hope he sees these constructive criticisms and step up his game in the later rounds
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
January 12 2011 16:41 GMT
#1092
omg, Zenio, how could you make such a terrible drone micro mitake and lose to this crappy bullshit =[ I hate seeing someone winning with such a cheap bullshit. Makes mi sick.
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
January 12 2011 16:42 GMT
#1093
On January 12 2011 23:49 On_Slaught wrote:
Nestea and MVP; expected. Shame about boxer but the best two players advanced imo.


I think Boxer is better than Tester and deserved spot over him. He was just quite unlucky, his ideas were absolutely brilliant, just these little details didn`t work out.
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
January 12 2011 16:50 GMT
#1094
On January 13 2011 01:07 TigerKarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 00:51 hmsrenown wrote:
Commentating can be very, very hard to keep up. I'm not surprised to see tasteless slightly burned out and the quality started to drop significantly.
He needs a break from the constant casting career and get more into the game itself, but people don't always get their wish.

True, he can't hold up with highest level of play. Artosis is much deeper in the game and makes Tasteless almost seem retarded with the jokes about the Tasteless build.
Tasteless shoud be replaced in my opinion, he isn't even funny. He just repeats every Artosis jokes when they are no longer surprising and funny.


Or maybe you fucking forgot that Tasteless is actually human, just like you actually.

Lets say that JD has a slump. He stops performing at his usual level. Now what you say to him is to gtfo because he is no longer good enough.

Thats so heartless, you should be ashamed. Like really ashamed. Your opinion is absolutely retarded. I don`t mean to offend you but thats what I honestly think.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
January 12 2011 16:51 GMT
#1095
On January 13 2011 00:44 ParasitJonte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 22:16 dookudooku wrote:
On January 12 2011 21:59 Husnan wrote:
On January 12 2011 21:46 marcmtlca wrote:
sqrt(-5) has an imaginary value and there is nothing wrong in using that symbol. The term i is given to the imaginary value sqrt(-1) because in certain situations allowing for it permits you to come to results you couldn't otherwise.

To the person who was trying to act all superior and challenge the other dude on the math. I challenge you to explain to me why it is wrong to use sqrt(-5) instead of sqrt(5)i.



sqrt(-5) is wrong because sqrt() is a function defined on the interval [0;+infinity[ by the following :
if a is a number greater or equal to 0, sqrt(a) is the positive solution of the equation x² = a.

So sqrt(a) doesnt exist if a is a negative number. Which is why it's not acceptable to say that i = sqrt(-1) or sqrt(-5) = i times sqrt(5).


This is completely off-topic, but you just made a huge fool of yourself. Let me guess, you just typed sqrt( ) into Google and then copy-and-pasted a description of the function for some programming language.

That doesn't mean sqrt(a) doesn't exist if a is a negative number. It's perfectly acceptable to say that i = sqrt(-1). Earlier programming languages may lack a built-in complex number class, but that doesn't mean it's mathematically incorrect.

It should be noted that mathematically, sqrt is not a function at all since there are two square roots to any number, but we are just writing it out like a function because that's a lot easier than using the radical symbol.


Off-topic but I would say you're wrong. Of course there's no single one math book to go look at for "the correct answer". But by common convention mathematicians never write sqrt and a negative number.

you need to look at specific programming languages to answer the question if sqrt(-5) exists.
Math can only tell that the square root of -5 exists if youre looking at functions of real numbers which are displayed on the imaginary plane.
matlab, wolfram and other mathematical languages usually return a result with the imaginary unit. c and c++ have dedicated functions only for real positivers numbers.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
January 12 2011 17:07 GMT
#1096
So if the games go a certain way only five games may be played? This format is going to be hard to get used to.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
January 12 2011 17:21 GMT
#1097
On January 13 2011 01:50 UFO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 01:07 TigerKarl wrote:
On January 13 2011 00:51 hmsrenown wrote:
Commentating can be very, very hard to keep up. I'm not surprised to see tasteless slightly burned out and the quality started to drop significantly.
He needs a break from the constant casting career and get more into the game itself, but people don't always get their wish.

True, he can't hold up with highest level of play. Artosis is much deeper in the game and makes Tasteless almost seem retarded with the jokes about the Tasteless build.
Tasteless shoud be replaced in my opinion, he isn't even funny. He just repeats every Artosis jokes when they are no longer surprising and funny.


Or maybe you fucking forgot that Tasteless is actually human, just like you actually.

Lets say that JD has a slump. He stops performing at his usual level. Now what you say to him is to gtfo because he is no longer good enough.

Thats so heartless, you should be ashamed. Like really ashamed. Your opinion is absolutely retarded. I don`t mean to offend you but thats what I honestly think.


Heartless? It's a business. Boxer, Nada, and July among others all stopped playing BW for a reason. They were not longer the same dominant forces that they used to be. They are still respected, but it was time for them to step down. That's a more accurate parallel to Tasteless. Sure, this might be just a slump, but there really aren't any flashes of brilliance from him. He just doesn't seem to care as much about this game.

There's no reason to get so riled up about his opinion. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you for overreacting and taking a personal shot at a guy for voicing an opinion that is shared by quite a few people.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
January 12 2011 17:43 GMT
#1098
On January 13 2011 02:21 Klamity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 01:50 UFO wrote:
On January 13 2011 01:07 TigerKarl wrote:
On January 13 2011 00:51 hmsrenown wrote:
Commentating can be very, very hard to keep up. I'm not surprised to see tasteless slightly burned out and the quality started to drop significantly.
He needs a break from the constant casting career and get more into the game itself, but people don't always get their wish.

True, he can't hold up with highest level of play. Artosis is much deeper in the game and makes Tasteless almost seem retarded with the jokes about the Tasteless build.
Tasteless shoud be replaced in my opinion, he isn't even funny. He just repeats every Artosis jokes when they are no longer surprising and funny.


Or maybe you fucking forgot that Tasteless is actually human, just like you actually.

Lets say that JD has a slump. He stops performing at his usual level. Now what you say to him is to gtfo because he is no longer good enough.

Thats so heartless, you should be ashamed. Like really ashamed. Your opinion is absolutely retarded. I don`t mean to offend you but thats what I honestly think.


Heartless? It's a business. Boxer, Nada, and July among others all stopped playing BW for a reason. They were not longer the same dominant forces that they used to be. They are still respected, but it was time for them to step down. That's a more accurate parallel to Tasteless. Sure, this might be just a slump, but there really aren't any flashes of brilliance from him. He just doesn't seem to care as much about this game.

There's no reason to get so riled up about his opinion. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you for overreacting and taking a personal shot at a guy for voicing an opinion that is shared by quite a few people.



uh huh, tasteless is probably gonna stay.
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
January 12 2011 17:52 GMT
#1099
Hey everyone, I'm currently watching GSL from this morning... but was it played with patch 1.2? Because Tastosis don't mention the patch, unless I missed it... Seems like something they would mention, since a lot of stuff has changed. Does anyone know?
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DoukNoukem
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada27 Posts
January 12 2011 18:06 GMT
#1100
On January 13 2011 02:52 PraetorianX wrote:
Hey everyone, I'm currently watching GSL from this morning... but was it played with patch 1.2? Because Tastosis don't mention the patch, unless I missed it... Seems like something they would mention, since a lot of stuff has changed. Does anyone know?


I don't think the patch was released in Korea yet
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