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Is the 8th team going to just be picked by the application alone? Would prefer some sort of qualifier tournament as there are a few teams that are worthy of the spot. Either way, excited for this!
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Didn't they just get assimilated into complexity?
No that was Nova and only 1 player from vvv went there from what I know unless others got an invite
Also yeah NRG also. I'm surprised VT was picked over one of those two especially considering NRG has been dominating lots of clans lately and vvv just won the SCL and I dunno what VT has done lately in terms of clan wars.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Same.. Its starting to feel like if you werent in the sc:bw "circle of top players", youre left behind in sc2. NrG should be up there easily. VT does not deserve it.
And also, it feels like the EG tag is pulling more then the players are for their team. None the less, tournament should be fun to watch.
It's probably because vT is a more distinguished team than NrG and vVv. I didn't even know vVv had a SC2 team O_O I thought they were just sponsoring second rate halo teams.
Looks like a good league though, cant wait to see the results... (even though it will be between ROOT and Liquid)
Oh and to say the EG tag is pulling more than the players are is pretty stupid, and plus GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members.. so I don't see why the hate against them for trying to help.
Millenium should really have an invite to this, or attax, or other prominent multi gaming organizations. Not to slam NrG or vVv, from an american standpoint they deserve to go, but the teams i mentioned are actually famous outside of sc2, like most of the other teams invited.
On December 26 2010 13:22 Alou wrote: Is the 8th team going to just be picked by the application alone? Would prefer some sort of qualifier tournament as there are a few teams that are worthy of the spot. Either way, excited for this!
this would be nice, lots of teams are out there right now trying to make a name for themselves that have it in them to knock out some of the reputable teams that didn't get invited.
On December 26 2010 14:31 Contagious wrote: It's probably because vT is a more distinguished team than NrG and vVv. I didn't even know vVv had a SC2 team O_O I thought they were just sponsoring second rate halo teams.
Looks like a good league though, cant wait to see the results... (even though it will be between ROOT and Liquid)
Oh and to say the EG tag is pulling more than the players are is pretty stupid, and plus GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members.. so I don't see why the hate against them for trying to help.
On December 26 2010 13:22 prodiG wrote: If the eighth team isn't either a korean pro team or nrg, I will be absolutely floored.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Didn't they just get assimilated into complexity?
No that was Nova and only 1 player from vvv went there from what I know unless others got an invite
Also yeah NRG also. I'm surprised VT was picked over one of those two especially considering NRG has been dominating lots of clans lately and vvv just won the SCL and I dunno what VT has done lately in terms of clan wars.
Only 1 other good team played in SCL (EG), and with the format of those clanwars it's not like the best team wins every time, so in my opinion winning SCL isn't such a huge accomplishment.
When I look at vVv lineup I see, Rigid as the only notable name, and Murder who hasn't played anything since the summer. VT's got strong players such as Spades and bLuR who are competing/placing well in many events.
There are several teams I think could be in here, so I'm leaving it up to them to sway me
Xeris, That's a pretty good summary of all the reasonable teams I do believe, I will definitely stay tuned to see who is picked and how everything goes ^_^
On December 26 2010 13:22 prodiG wrote: If the eighth team isn't either a korean pro team or nrg, I will be absolutely floored.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Didn't they just get assimilated into complexity?
No that was Nova and only 1 player from vvv went there from what I know unless others got an invite
Also yeah NRG also. I'm surprised VT was picked over one of those two especially considering NRG has been dominating lots of clans lately and vvv just won the SCL and I dunno what VT has done lately in terms of clan wars.
Only 1 other good team played in SCL (EG), and with the format of those clanwars it's not like the best team wins every time, so in my opinion winning SCL isn't such a huge accomplishment.
When I look at vVv lineup I see, Rigid as the only notable name, and Murder who hasn't played anything since the summer. VT's got strong players such as Spades and bLuR who are competing/placing well in many events.
There are several teams I think could be in here, so I'm leaving it up to them to sway me
Uh so your saying NRG isn't good? vVv beat NRG then beat EG to win it. Pretty good accomplishment imo. Was just curious on the reasoning behind it but to say only 1 good team when there was NRG as well .
On December 26 2010 13:22 prodiG wrote: If the eighth team isn't either a korean pro team or nrg, I will be absolutely floored.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Didn't they just get assimilated into complexity?
No that was Nova and only 1 player from vvv went there from what I know unless others got an invite
Also yeah NRG also. I'm surprised VT was picked over one of those two especially considering NRG has been dominating lots of clans lately and vvv just won the SCL and I dunno what VT has done lately in terms of clan wars.
Only 1 other good team played in SCL (EG), and with the format of those clanwars it's not like the best team wins every time, so in my opinion winning SCL isn't such a huge accomplishment.
When I look at vVv lineup I see, Rigid as the only notable name, and Murder who hasn't played anything since the summer. VT's got strong players such as Spades and bLuR who are competing/placing well in many events.
There are several teams I think could be in here, so I'm leaving it up to them to sway me
Uh so your saying NRG isn't good? vVv beat NRG then beat EG to win it. Pretty good accomplishment imo. Was just curious on the reasoning behind it but to say only 1 good team when there was NRG as well .
The reason for making this an 8 team league is due to time constraints. We want to limit our events to a few months and provide in depth coverage. If we expanded the league we wouldn't be able to cast every single match. This way, we get the coverage that we're looking for, keep the event short and sweet, and heighten the competition.
The unfortunate part about limiting the league to 8 teams (obviously) is that really deserving teams will be left out. There are, in my mind, about 10 really competitive teams that could take the last spot, but only one will ultimately be able to. Luck of the draw @_@
this is gonna be huge. liquid may actually have the most solid lineup overall if all their big names compete (jinro, ret, haypro, tlo, huk, tyler, nazgul)
ill probably root for eg though. the idra/incontrol combo is just so awesome.
wowzors this is sweet. :D <3 Team events. I'd mention some teams I think deserves the last spot, but the only team worth mentioning that i can think of is Complexity ^^
Xeris could you make it so the time when matches will be played/broadcasted aren't completely retarded like every single clan war has been ? would be sweet with some Europe friendly times and not 4 in the morning
Event looks awesome, i hope the last team is Millenium, they have a very solid line-up
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
How many members per team? How many members does vVv have? I've beaten a guy from vVv with little effort and I'm ~2100 with shitty win-loss... maybe the reason they weren't invited is because they don't have enough members of the same caliber as other teams...
Just maybe!!!
It doesn't mean that they can't apply! XD
@OP: This will definitely be interesting! Can't wait for the streams/vod's! XD
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
How many members per team? How many members does vVv have? I've beaten a guy from vVv with little effort and I'm ~2100 with shitty win-loss... maybe the reason they weren't invited is because they don't have enough members of the same caliber as other teams...
Just maybe!!!
It doesn't mean that they can't apply! XD
@OP: This will definitely be interesting! Can't wait for the streams/vod's! XD
EG FIGHTING!!!
The vVv roster does not include only the main team, but people from other divisions of vVv that play SC2 casually wear the tag vVv and represent us as well. vVv is an organization built on a community, not just 1 team consisting of 5-10 players representing it.
This makes me sad. While vVv may not have "big" names, the players are certainly accomplished and skilled. And indeed, certainly skilled enough to have taken down EG in the SCL. This puts us easily on that same level. The fact that SCBW names still carry so much weight in SC2 is crap, and really puts an artificially high barrier to entry to clans doing some really cool stuff with community members in addition to competitive and sponsored teams.
also idk who to vote for, too many good teams left out but team choices by xeris have been pretty much flawless thus far, perhaps aTn. would be the best. NrG is in my opinion one of the most all-round solid teams though, they could most def upset anyone on a good day.
On December 27 2010 01:07 CatZ.root wrote: ROOT is from the US
also idk who to vote for, too many good teams left out but team choices by xeris have been pretty much flawless thus far, perhaps aTn. would be the best. NrG is in my opinion one of the most all-round solid teams though, they could most def upset anyone on a good day.
I need to see a Canada flag somewhere. Don't take this from me CatZ.
On December 26 2010 19:58 ibgeekn4me wrote: This makes me sad. While vVv may not have "big" names, the players are certainly accomplished and skilled. And indeed, certainly skilled enough to have taken down EG in the SCL. This puts us easily on that same level. The fact that SCBW names still carry so much weight in SC2 is crap, and really puts an artificially high barrier to entry to clans doing some really cool stuff with community members in addition to competitive and sponsored teams.
One win doesn't put vVv on the same level as EG, when EG has players like Idra, incontrol, machine, strifecro, axslav, lz, inka, etc, all players that have high success rates in tournaments
On December 27 2010 01:07 CatZ.root wrote: ROOT is from the US
also idk who to vote for, too many good teams left out but team choices by xeris have been pretty much flawless thus far, perhaps aTn. would be the best. NrG is in my opinion one of the most all-round solid teams though, they could most def upset anyone on a good day.
Technically fnatic also isn't a european time, they're based in europe, but i mean tt1/jf are canadian, kawaiirice and gretorp are american, sen is taiwanese, fenix is peruvian, etc. They're quite the international team but far from Euro haha
On December 27 2010 00:50 Chronald wrote: Well vVv beat EG in a clan war, which is prolly why EG is pushing for them to not be in it.
I would love to see vVv in these CWs though. Please and thank you.
EG is not "pushing" for vVv to not be invited. Xeris is organizing this league and I highly doubt that he's consulting with all of the EG members who work for GosuCoaching on who to invite. He's a respected league organizer with many years of experience, so I trust his judgement in picking the best teams.
As many people have already said, there's always going to be good teams left out in leagues like these. NrG, vVv, rS, coL (NOVA), etc. are all good teams that have the ability to cause upsets.
On December 27 2010 01:07 CatZ.root wrote: ROOT is from the US
also idk who to vote for, too many good teams left out but team choices by xeris have been pretty much flawless thus far, perhaps aTn. would be the best. NrG is in my opinion one of the most all-round solid teams though, they could most def upset anyone on a good day.
I need to see a Canada flag somewhere. Don't take this from me CatZ.
woo, it's about times. but yeah, a few clans are missing: aTn (Socke, Darkforce), RoX.Kis (Brat_OK), ESC (Goody, Delphi), Millenium (ToD, Adelscott). But of course i say much about european clans :D
On December 27 2010 03:26 gnutz wrote: woo, it's about times. but yeah, a few clans are missing: aTn (Socke, Darkforce), RoX.Kis (Brat_OK), ESC (Goody, Delphi), Millenium (ToD, Adelscott). But of course i say much about european clans :D
how could you not mention mTw :O (Dimaga, Demuslim, Infernal ect ect)
On December 27 2010 03:26 gnutz wrote: woo, it's about times. but yeah, a few clans are missing: aTn (Socke, Darkforce), RoX.Kis (Brat_OK), ESC (Goody, Delphi), Millenium (ToD, Adelscott). But of course i say much about european clans :D
how could you not mention mTw :O (Dimaga, Demuslim, Infernal ect ect)
On December 27 2010 03:26 gnutz wrote: woo, it's about times. but yeah, a few clans are missing: aTn (Socke, Darkforce), RoX.Kis (Brat_OK), ESC (Goody, Delphi), Millenium (ToD, Adelscott). But of course i say much about european clans :D
how could you not mention mTw :O (Dimaga, Demuslim, Infernal ect ect)
how much has infernal done in sc2 so far?
yea, mTw really only has 2 players... infernal + naruto haven't played in anything afaik .
On December 27 2010 03:26 gnutz wrote: woo, it's about times. but yeah, a few clans are missing: aTn (Socke, Darkforce), RoX.Kis (Brat_OK), ESC (Goody, Delphi), Millenium (ToD, Adelscott). But of course i say much about european clans :D
how could you not mention mTw :O (Dimaga, Demuslim, Infernal ect ect)
how much has infernal done in sc2 so far?
yea, mTw really only has 2 players... infernal + naruto haven't played in anything afaik .
speaking of players doing stuff:
what the hell is up with JF? he is still in Fnatic right? why isn't he playing more
On December 27 2010 03:26 gnutz wrote: woo, it's about times. but yeah, a few clans are missing: aTn (Socke, Darkforce), RoX.Kis (Brat_OK), ESC (Goody, Delphi), Millenium (ToD, Adelscott). But of course i say much about european clans :D
how could you not mention mTw :O (Dimaga, Demuslim, Infernal ect ect)
how much has infernal done in sc2 so far?
yea, mTw really only has 2 players... infernal + naruto haven't played in anything afaik .
naruto plays eps (finished 12.) + played a few weekly cups.
Go for empire (diestar, naniwa, outside, kas), rox.kis(bratok, pomi, abver) or millenium (tarson, adel, moman, lalush) imo : >
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
How many members per team? How many members does vVv have? I've beaten a guy from vVv with little effort and I'm ~2100 with shitty win-loss... maybe the reason they weren't invited is because they don't have enough members of the same caliber as other teams...
Just maybe!!!
It doesn't mean that they can't apply! XD
@OP: This will definitely be interesting! Can't wait for the streams/vod's! XD
EG FIGHTING!!!
The vVv roster does not include only the main team, but people from other divisions of vVv that play SC2 casually wear the tag vVv and represent us as well. vVv is an organization built on a community, not just 1 team consisting of 5-10 players representing it.
Oh, I see... Well GL with your application! Hope you guys get a chance to prove that vVv should've been invited instead of vT ^^
On a more unbiased note; Its going to be great fun competing against these teams, especially the NA ones. Oppertunities to clash between the realms are so rare in sc2 .
Louder got busy with life and hasn't really been playing, nyoken has never really played SC2 cept at MLG because there was an open spot, Ax/strife are sick. Is that how?
On December 27 2010 11:54 Sheth wrote: No matter what happens, I'm looking forward to watching the games, and thanks alot Gosucoaching for hosting this lovely tournament!!!
On December 27 2010 11:54 Sheth wrote: No matter what happens, I'm looking forward to watching the games, and thanks alot Gosucoaching for hosting this lovely tournament!!!
Watching? How come you're not part of any team?!?! I say you make a team real quick and apply for the 8th spot! GOGO I root for Sheth's team! XD
On December 28 2010 04:33 DarkRise wrote: OGS/prime/tsl 8th team LOL ?
In the OP it says how this is for teams outside of koreans. Yes liquid is partly in Korea but they aren't koreans so that's why they in. Let me even quote incase it's too hard to read
Wanna see the top teams outside Korea battle it out every week for the next few months?
On December 26 2010 14:35 Holcan wrote: Millenium should really have an invite to this, or attax, or other prominent multi gaming organizations. Not to slam NrG or vVv, from an american standpoint they deserve to go, but the teams i mentioned are actually famous outside of sc2, like most of the other teams invited.
but this is a sc2 event so it doesn't matter how great your other teams are... They wont help you in this.
Thanks for everyone supporting NrG. I promise you all that if NrG is chosen we will surprise a lot of people, and hold our own against any of these teams :D We really want to participate in this event O_O
I think for the majority of complaints about teams, these teams just haven't applied. Not the organisers fault they don't want to play. Stop whining so much about it. This event is going to be siiiiiick.
On December 28 2010 06:39 Numy wrote: I think for the majority of complaints about teams, these teams just haven't applied. Not the organisers fault they don't want to play. Stop whining so much about it. This event is going to be siiiiiick.
On December 28 2010 06:39 Numy wrote: I think for the majority of complaints about teams, these teams just haven't applied. Not the organisers fault they don't want to play. Stop whining so much about it. This event is going to be siiiiiick.
For fun, why not? Maybe I'll factor it into my decision... but obviously getting 100 Brazilians to register on GC.com and vote for CNB isn't really going to show us all who the more popular team is :p
Dude. It's time for some showmatches. Grab the 2 best from each team and have them go off in a an elimination tournament. Pit each team against another team.
Say team A vs team B A1 vs B1 bo3 A2 vs B2 bo3 ------------ A1 vs B2 bo3 A2 vs B1 bo3 ------------- A1 vs B1 bo5
The team with the most wins goes on. First team to win 3 matches goes on.
On December 28 2010 07:32 darmousseh wrote: Dude. It's time for some showmatches. Grab the 2 best from each team and have them go off in a an elimination tournament. Pit each team against another team.
Say team A vs team B A1 vs B1 bo3 A2 vs B2 bo3 ------------ A1 vs B2 bo3 A2 vs B1 bo3 ------------- A1 vs B1 bo5
The team with the most wins goes on. First team to win 3 matches goes on.
Do it!
Getting the 2 best from each team loses completely the role point of the "Team thing" some team may have 2 great players and the rest is just crap, while others have a full solid roster
I voted for aAa, they have a really solid team and I don't feel like they get very much coverage. I'm very displeased that they have TuZeR on their team though.
Xeris not reading too much into this poll is wise though, CNB has more votes then all other teams combined and I don't feel that that reflects the community. All of those teams (with maybe the exception of Dream Vision which I am not familiar with) seem like good choices, I really don't think you can go wrong. Obviously people will be disappointed but hopefully there will be more opportunities to show their skill in team events.
If a Namibian team does sign up though, I think you have to give it to them; it would be false advertising otherwise. Really looking forward to this event, keep up the good work Xeris!
On December 28 2010 07:46 Beside_kr wrote: I voted for aAa, they have a really solid team and I don't feel like they get very much coverage. I'm very displeased that they have TuZeR on their team though.
Xeris not reading too much into this poll is wise though, CNB has more votes then all other teams combined and I don't feel that that reflects the community. All of those teams (with maybe the exception of Dream Vision which I am not familiar with) seem like good choices, I really don't think you can go wrong. Obviously people will be disappointed but hopefully there will be more opportunities to show their skill in team events.
If a Namibian team does sign up though, I think you have to give it to them; it would be false advertising otherwise. Really looking forward to this event, keep up the good work Xeris!
So Teamliquid is the only community??
If CNB has a lot of votes is because someone voted for them, it means that there are some people that are willing to cheer for them, in opposal of many of the other teams that people kinda like, but aren't fans, you know.
For most people, the 8th team is more like "whatever" because they don't like one in special
as much as i'd hate to say it since complexity isnt winning the poll....yet.... i think the team with the most votes should be the one accepted, not this ambiguity on "oh 100 people signed up for site just to vote for brasilians" should be evident of the support behind them from the brasilian community... we arent the ONLY community site around, so it's unfair to be like "oh since you arent from TL your votes are meaningless" etc etc
I actually thought FXO (FXOpen) was a tournament and figured Sheth would be part of ROOT or something lol...
I really wish it started Jan. 1st tho... 2 weeks is tooooo long! Can't wait!!! Plus my school will start so I don't know if I'll be able to watch as many games as I'd like =(
Maybe you guys can announce which matches will be casted so people can make sure to make time to watch their favorite teams/players play, in case they can't watch all of the matches. =)
i disagree with using the poll. I could have 10,000 friends who know nothing about sc2 or any of these teams, but I could easily get them to sign up for the site and vote for my team. They won't be viewing the competition or have any interest in anything gosucoaching is doing, they are just votes. The team that is the best should be selected, plain and simple. The team with the best group of individuals, who have proven they deserve a spot in the league, because its about how good the team is, not how many friends they have voting for them.
On December 28 2010 08:26 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: i disagree with using the poll. I could have 10,000 friends who know nothing about sc2 or any of these teams, but I could easily get them to sign up for the site and vote for my team. They won't be viewing the competition or have any interest in anything gosucoaching is doing, they are just votes. The team that is the best should be selected, plain and simple. The team with the best group of individuals, who have proven they deserve a spot in the league, because its about how good the team is, not how many friends they have voting for them.
It's good for us, from CNB, to see that many brazilian votes for us. We have two main comunities in Brazil and it seems that both are supporting us due to our recent runs. It shows our acceptance back here and how our comunity cheer for us. It's kinda cool!
It's all about brazilian heat!!
As Xeris said, that doesn't show the most popular team at all. And we were sure that the Poll wouldn't be that decisive, that's why we didn't called for friend votes, only posted it to the comunity.
who is esc-icy-box and how do they have 3x as many votes as the next highest lol
just goes to show that the poll shouldn't be what decides it IMO, because then what it comes down to is who advertises the most. If Husky made a team and told his 350k subscribers to register on gc and vote for team shithole, teamshithole would win by a mile.
edit: nvm the poll doesn't align, looks like that is CNB which i'm talking about, and in all honesty, once again it comes down to who puts on their website, twitter, commentary, youtube vids etc, sign up and vote for us so that you can see us in this clan league!
when in all honesty it should come down to merit not popularity. That is the way I voted because I think there are only 3 teams on that list that would genuinely compete for a top position.
On December 28 2010 08:40 ZlaSHeR wrote: who is esc-icy-box and how do they have 3x as many votes as the next highest lol
just goes to show that the poll shouldn't be what decides it IMO, because then what it comes down to is who advertises the most. If Husky made a team and told his 350k subscribers to register on gc and vote for team shithole, teamshithole would win by a mile.
On December 28 2010 08:40 ZlaSHeR wrote: who is esc-icy-box and how do they have 3x as many votes as the next highest lol
just goes to show that the poll shouldn't be what decides it IMO, because then what it comes down to is who advertises the most. If Husky made a team and told his 350k subscribers to register on gc and vote for team shithole, teamshithole would win by a mile.
its CNB with the most votes
if you look, the name of the team and the votes are off center and not on the same line... so you have to look 1 line down to see each team's vote count
Ya for some reason the poll doesn't line up well ~_~ , hopefully we'll get that fixed asap. ESC is a German team (they used to be mouz in BW ... I.E White-Ra, Strelok, JF, MaNa until they left the ESC organization and joined mouz) .
They have people like Goody and Delphi who are pretty strong.
NrG is a great team and would be a worthy addition to this league. MnM is also a team that people should keep their eye on. They're a pretty underrated team with several skilled players: MasterAsia, iCCfoReVeR, Edward, etc.
On December 26 2010 14:31 Contagious wrote: ...GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members...
As part of the Gosucoaching.com management team and somebody with stake in the company I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gosucoaching is not run by EG core members. We do have a few of the EG team on our coaching staff, the most prominent and vocal of course being iNcontroL, but don't assume that means GosuCoaching is run by EG or any other team for that matter.
We always have been team agnostic and will be for the forseeable future.
The amount of people whining and complaining about this is pathetic. Xeris knows what he is about people...Be thankful that Gosucoaching is hosting such an awesome event. You cannot please everyone all the time. As has been said many times, not every team can be invited. Of course it would be sweet to have a full clan league with every team that wanted in.
Im super stoked for this. Really didn't want this post to be that negative but I got pissed off reading the replies in this thread.
Also, just to be clear, and this is stated clearly in the actual poll, the poll results do not determine who is selected for the 8th team, it is simply a gauge of what the community's opinion of who you'd like the 8th team to be.
On December 29 2010 05:56 Cade wrote: How did that aAa team manage to get 1500 votes in the last 4 hours since I checked it this morning?Who are they anyway?
On December 29 2010 05:56 Cade wrote: How did that aAa team manage to get 1500 votes in the last 4 hours since I checked it this morning?Who are they anyway?
There is probably a bug in their poll. You are allowed to vote for the same times as many times you want. The poll probably uses a cookie to check if you have voted, but the cookie doesn't work if you disable cookies or have them automatically deleted after use like when using incognito mode on chrome.
On December 26 2010 14:31 Contagious wrote: ...GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members...
As part of the Gosucoaching.com management team and somebody with stake in the company I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gosucoaching is not run by EG core members. We do have a few of the EG team on our coaching staff, the most prominent and vocal of course being iNcontroL, but don't assume that means GosuCoaching is run by EG or any other team for that matter.
We always have been team agnostic and will be for the forseeable future.
Never knew this because when I look at the homepage of gosucoaching I see 5 EG. names at the top and 7 included in total.
I'm not saying its a bad thing, I'm simply saying dont lie by saying that the team has little to do with the site.
Who the hell is aAa 1500+ votes in 4 hours seem fishy. I mean comon, probably some of their members just clicked multiple times. FXopen, complexity, and Nrg are all much better candidates for the last spot.
On December 29 2010 06:18 xbankx wrote: Who the hell is aAa 1500+ votes in 4 hours seem fishy. I mean comon, probably some of their members just clicked multiple times. FXopen, complexity, and Nrg are all much better candidates for the last spot.
i would hardly say its "fishy"
what happened with them is just a larger-scale version of what CNB did
some aAa player/manager/fan probably just posted it on a huge French website, and told everyone to go vote. u cant vote twice or multiple times from the same IP so likely just had a shit-ton of frenchies go vote
and aAa was one of the top teams in europe for WC3, dunno about their other games they play
On December 26 2010 14:31 Contagious wrote: ...GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members...
As part of the Gosucoaching.com management team and somebody with stake in the company I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gosucoaching is not run by EG core members. We do have a few of the EG team on our coaching staff, the most prominent and vocal of course being iNcontroL, but don't assume that means GosuCoaching is run by EG or any other team for that matter.
We always have been team agnostic and will be for the forseeable future.
Never knew this because when I look at the homepage of gosucoaching I see 5 EG. names at the top and 7 included in total.
I'm not saying its a bad thing, I'm simply saying dont lie by saying that the team has little to do with the site.
You think because there are a lot of EG players among their coaching staff that the entire site and organization is run by EG? This is just a misconception that you've formed and you need only listen to what people are telling you to cure yourself of your ignorance.
You are unnecessarily hostile. You are purposely using vague language, like "the team has little to do with the site" when more accurate statements are perfectly available, one of which you yourself quoted, "gosucoaching is run by EG's core members". That is the issue here. It has been clarified that the only relationship the two entities have is a trivial one. Don't tell people not to lie when you are operating with such hostility and ignorance.
Coaching on GosuCoaching.com is in no way team-affiliated. None of the EG members are running events, I am. The only EG member who does any actual work for GosuCoaching is iNcontroL (shoutcasting). In fact I'd argue that GosuCoaching itself is just a service like the classifieds in a newspaper or Craigslist where people who want to get coaching go to, and people who offer coaching services are listed.
The coaching arm of the site and the events we run are unrelated to each other.
It is not surprising to see aAa able to mobilise 1500+ guys for a vote like that. Their Stream are around 2k-7k viewers depends of Cup & Shoutcasters, if the vote continue, you will get around 3k individual vote for aAa and not only from French IP.
On December 26 2010 14:31 Contagious wrote: ...GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members...
As part of the Gosucoaching.com management team and somebody with stake in the company I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gosucoaching is not run by EG core members. We do have a few of the EG team on our coaching staff, the most prominent and vocal of course being iNcontroL, but don't assume that means GosuCoaching is run by EG or any other team for that matter.
We always have been team agnostic and will be for the forseeable future.
Never knew this because when I look at the homepage of gosucoaching I see 5 EG. names at the top and 7 included in total.
I'm not saying its a bad thing, I'm simply saying dont lie by saying that the team has little to do with the site.
You think because there are a lot of EG players among their coaching staff that the entire site and organization is run by EG? This is just a misconception that you've formed and you need only listen to what people are telling you to cure yourself of your ignorance.
You are unnecessarily hostile. You are purposely using vague language, like "the team has little to do with the site" when more accurate statements are perfectly available, one of which you yourself quoted, "gosucoaching is run by EG's core members". That is the issue here. It has been clarified that the only relationship the two entities have is a trivial one. Don't tell people not to lie when you are operating with such hostility and ignorance.
I do not know a lot about gosucoaching and as such I do not attempt to make anything but vague statements because to say something assertively would imply that I know a lot about the management of gosucoaching. I just looked at some of the early material when the site first opened because when it did I believed that EG. had created gosucoaching, which isn't unreasonable at all looking at the fact that all four 'original coaches' were from EG, and there are news posts like this as a result:
Why would a "team agnostic" website post things like this? Not trying to troll or derail the thread even if thats what it might look like, regardless of their association with the site, EG. is a solid team that by no means does not deserve a spot in this league I was simply responding to a previous post which I seriously disagreed with.
Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
I think it's pretty clear Xeris is only going to take the poll somewhat into consideration. I expect thousands of fans from certain teams will be hugely disappointed even though they have placed high on the poll.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
That's obvious, not the fact I'm aAa, but the fact aAa.sc2's team is the strongest.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
That's obvious, not the fact I'm aAa, but the fact aAa.sc2's team is the strongest.
havnt seen many of their names doing a lot achievement wise, although i don't follow the EU scene too much. I hear a lot about sjow, the guys from mouz, dimaga and kas, but very rarely, if at all, do i hear about aAa as a team, or do i hear about their individual's performing well in various things. They have a strong line-up in regards to BW players, and they might have a strong lineup in sc2, but has it been proven?
I think its rather bold that you come here and "declare" you have the best lineup without having much knowledge about the competition.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Spades thats the reason
Yeah but 1 player shouldn't mean they auto get an invite. Because like I said before VT hasn't done well in any starcraft leagues as of right now and will probably get demolished in this no offense but its what I see happening.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Spades thats the reason
Yeah but 1 player shouldn't mean they auto get an invite. Because like I said before VT hasn't done well in any starcraft leagues as of right now and will probably get demolished in this no offense but its what I see happening.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Spades thats the reason
Yeah but 1 player shouldn't mean they auto get an invite. Because like I said before VT hasn't done well in any starcraft leagues as of right now and will probably get demolished in this no offense but its what I see happening.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Spades thats the reason
Yeah but 1 player shouldn't mean they auto get an invite. Because like I said before VT hasn't done well in any starcraft leagues as of right now and will probably get demolished in this no offense but its what I see happening.
.......But its KingSpades ..... nothing more said
Yea ever since I've played spades it was life changing.
voting for mouz, even though I am an american, The mouz players I have watched play really strong, mroe so than the other clans mentioned in this thread.
that is ofcourse unless oGs wants in, if oGs wants to play that would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
With all the people thinking they have a shot i feel like it would be a great idea to do a qualifier tournament just so all the remaining teams get an equal shot.
Why not take 4 teams and have them duke it out for the final spot, and then for the next season have the last place team have to play with 3 other teams to keep their spot. This would at least make it exciting and give some incentive to win every match.
On December 29 2010 11:06 icedragon wrote: Why not take 4 teams and have them duke it out for the final spot, and then for the next season have the last place team have to play with 3 other teams to keep their spot. This would at least make it exciting and give some incentive to win every match.
LG looks to have the strongest lineup and NrG is reported as doing well as well. I haven't seen or heard much at all about the other teams or the players they host, with a single player here or there being an exception. Maybe people think that for this reason those other teams are more worthy candidates and that they should get this chance to prove themselves. I think the last spot should go to a sure contender, and thus to a team that has already proven itself, in order to minimize chances of a let down or a an appearance of being just the fifth wheel.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Spades thats the reason
Yeah but 1 player shouldn't mean they auto get an invite. Because like I said before VT hasn't done well in any starcraft leagues as of right now and will probably get demolished in this no offense but its what I see happening.
Watching Spades play SC is like watching Lebron James play basketball. vT is like Cleveland Cavalier basically will never win in the end but entertaining none the less.
On December 29 2010 11:33 Arcanne wrote: Whats with the Spades hype? He's a good player but he's not the LBJ of SC2..
This... I'm confused did I miss something? As a terran player since he is the LBJ where would u put the other top tier terrans?
Quoted so that you cant edit out the fact that you cant read hihihihi :3
GL to whoever gets picked up, hopefully the event will have good coverage. We definitely need more team leagues =D!
grammar edit woo:3
I'm curious if you know he was agreeing with the quote and responding to the guy above? lol.
Yeah I assumed that was the case, but it's so poorly written one could deduce that he hasn't read what he quoted, since who is the "u" addressing? Also where in this thread is it written that spades is the LBJ of SC2 except for the post that he quoted, which says that spades is not the LBJ of SC2
I know I'm changing the Topic from a discussion of who gets in but I had to say quite honestly that Liquid will win it all. With EG trailing behind in second.
On December 29 2010 11:33 Arcanne wrote: Whats with the Spades hype? He's a good player but he's not the LBJ of SC2..
This... I'm confused did I miss something? As a terran player since he is the LBJ where would u put the other top tier terrans?
Quoted so that you cant edit out the fact that you cant read hihihihi :3
GL to whoever gets picked up, hopefully the event will have good coverage. We definitely need more team leagues =D!
grammar edit woo:3
I'm curious if you know he was agreeing with the quote and responding to the guy above? lol.
Yeah I assumed that was the case, but it's so poorly written one could deduce that he hasn't read what he quoted, since who is the "u" addressing? Also where in this thread is it written that spades is the LBJ of SC2 except for the post that he quoted, which says that spades is not the LBJ of SC2
Anyway just poking fun where I can :3
Was agreeing with arcanne and referring back to xbankx's statement fixed it just for you sweetie pie!
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
That's obvious, not the fact I'm aAa, but the fact aAa.sc2's team is the strongest.
havnt seen many of their names doing a lot achievement wise, although i don't follow the EU scene too much. I hear a lot about sjow, the guys from mouz, dimaga and kas, but very rarely, if at all, do i hear about aAa as a team, or do i hear about their individual's performing well in various things. They have a strong line-up in regards to BW players, and they might have a strong lineup in sc2, but has it been proven?
I think its rather bold that you come here and "declare" you have the best lineup without having much knowledge about the competition.
I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" : Nerchio just won the CraftCup Lite #25 SarenS won the French EPS and the eOSL Winter, ended 5-8 at Cologne during the IEM (lose 2-3 to Idra) and reached GO4SC2 #41 final TuZeR ended #2 at the eOSL Winter and #3 at the French EPS kAra being qualified for the German EPS alongside with TLO for instance KenZy won several French tournaments and ended #3-4 to Zotac #24. kAra & kaoru (manager and 2v2 partner of kAra) won the DSRack (Danemark) against Morrow & Naama.
SarenS won the French EPS and the eOSL Winter, ended 5-8 at Cologne during the IEM (lose 2-3 to Idra) and reached GO4SC2 #41 final
Cheers
Don't get me wrong, I think Sarens is a pretty talented guy, but taking 2 games from idra at IEM when 5 rax reaper was practically autowin doesn't really have any merit.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
That's obvious, not the fact I'm aAa, but the fact aAa.sc2's team is the strongest.
havnt seen many of their names doing a lot achievement wise, although i don't follow the EU scene too much. I hear a lot about sjow, the guys from mouz, dimaga and kas, but very rarely, if at all, do i hear about aAa as a team, or do i hear about their individual's performing well in various things. They have a strong line-up in regards to BW players, and they might have a strong lineup in sc2, but has it been proven?
I think its rather bold that you come here and "declare" you have the best lineup without having much knowledge about the competition.
I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" : Nerchio just won the CraftCup Lite #25 SarenS won the French EPS and the eOSL Winter, ended 5-8 at Cologne during the IEM (lose 2-3 to Idra) and reached GO4SC2 #41 final TuZeR ended #2 at the eOSL Winter and #3 at the French EPS kAra being qualified for the German EPS alongside with TLO for instance KenZy won several French tournaments and ended #3-4 to Zotac #24. kAra & kaoru (manager and 2v2 partner of kAra) won the DSRack (Danemark) against Morrow & Naama.
Cheers
And those accomplishments are barely any at all compared to many other top clans/players. So again saying your team the best means nothing when you have yet to prove it.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
That's obvious, not the fact I'm aAa, but the fact aAa.sc2's team is the strongest.
havnt seen many of their names doing a lot achievement wise, although i don't follow the EU scene too much. I hear a lot about sjow, the guys from mouz, dimaga and kas, but very rarely, if at all, do i hear about aAa as a team, or do i hear about their individual's performing well in various things. They have a strong line-up in regards to BW players, and they might have a strong lineup in sc2, but has it been proven?
I think its rather bold that you come here and "declare" you have the best lineup without having much knowledge about the competition.
I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" : Nerchio just won the CraftCup Lite #25 SarenS won the French EPS and the eOSL Winter, ended 5-8 at Cologne during the IEM (lose 2-3 to Idra) and reached GO4SC2 #41 final TuZeR ended #2 at the eOSL Winter and #3 at the French EPS kAra being qualified for the German EPS alongside with TLO for instance KenZy won several French tournaments and ended #3-4 to Zotac #24. kAra & kaoru (manager and 2v2 partner of kAra) won the DSRack (Danemark) against Morrow & Naama.
Cheers
And those accomplishments are barely any at all compared to many other top clans/players. So again saying your team the best means nothing when you have yet to prove it.
Fine, then what are the accomplishments of the 7 others teams aAa is competing with in this poll?
On December 29 2010 18:06 Coucouoeuf wrote: I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" :
do you realize how retarded it is to say something like that while asking for a spot in a tournament?
On December 29 2010 18:06 Coucouoeuf wrote: I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" :
do you realize how retarded it is to say something like that while asking for a spot in a tournament?
I didn't express myself well, it's not a reason to call me retard anyway. I meant in tournaments with the visibility needed to get our players known across the Atlantic. By the way, you can be the worst player ever but still attend all the tournies ; that won't make you good.
On December 29 2010 18:06 Coucouoeuf wrote: I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" :
do you realize how retarded it is to say something like that while asking for a spot in a tournament?
I didn't express myself well, it's not a reason to call me retard anyway. I meant in tournaments with the visibility needed to get our players known across the Atlantic. By the way, you can be the worst player ever but still attend all the tournies ; that won't make you good.
If you the worst player and attend all the tournies then there will be at least some kind of proof that you are this "worst" player. If you attend nothing and claim to be good then there's the problem. Also I think Idra's issue was that fact that you make an excuse(Social life!) but claim to be so good.
I'm not bashing aAa, I think most of those guys are all really good. I just think the way you going about this is very bad and it hurting the players name.
On December 29 2010 18:06 Coucouoeuf wrote: I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" :
do you realize how retarded it is to say something like that while asking for a spot in a tournament?
do you know how retarded it is to call other people retarded? just because you are good at sc2 doesn't give you the right to insult other people on the forum.
The guy was just trying to show some accomplishments and show what some of the player on his team did. If he did put "taking games off idra" as an accomplishment, clearly he thinks highly of your skill and is a compliment.
Well, it does seem kind of strange to backhandedly insult the other teams by saying that your team plays less since it has a social life, all the while trying to claim that your team is the best to join a starcraft tournament.
Basically I agree with what IdrA said though I am not a huge fan of using the word retarded to mean very stupid.
On another note, which team do you think is most deserving of the final spot IdrA, and are you planning on playing in this event?
On December 29 2010 07:21 Coucouoeuf wrote: Pomf&Thud are partners with aAa, check their YouTube page you'll see aAa's logo both on their channel and videos. By the way, aAa has by far the strongest lineup, I'm surprised by ppl wondering who is aAa ; I believe they do not closely follow the european scene a lot.
Cheers
lol your on their team so of course your going to think they have the strongest line up.
That's obvious, not the fact I'm aAa, but the fact aAa.sc2's team is the strongest.
havnt seen many of their names doing a lot achievement wise, although i don't follow the EU scene too much. I hear a lot about sjow, the guys from mouz, dimaga and kas, but very rarely, if at all, do i hear about aAa as a team, or do i hear about their individual's performing well in various things. They have a strong line-up in regards to BW players, and they might have a strong lineup in sc2, but has it been proven?
I think its rather bold that you come here and "declare" you have the best lineup without having much knowledge about the competition.
I think our players do not compete a lot compared to some of the others (social life man !) but here are some "proofs" : Nerchio just won the CraftCup Lite #25 SarenS won the French EPS and the eOSL Winter, ended 5-8 at Cologne during the IEM (lose 2-3 to Idra) and reached GO4SC2 #41 final TuZeR ended #2 at the eOSL Winter and #3 at the French EPS kAra being qualified for the German EPS alongside with TLO for instance KenZy won several French tournaments and ended #3-4 to Zotac #24. kAra & kaoru (manager and 2v2 partner of kAra) won the DSRack (Danemark) against Morrow & Naama.
Cheers
And those accomplishments are barely any at all compared to many other top clans/players. So again saying your team the best means nothing when you have yet to prove it.
Fine, then what are the accomplishments of the 7 others teams aAa is competing with in this poll?
you claim us ignorant because we dont know of your team's accomplishments and why they should be in the gosucoaching league... but then directly state that you have no idea of what the other teams and their players have done... hypocritical :D
I don't really see any useful arguments coming out from this thread. Xeris decides and I highly doubt that this bickering will change his opinion much if any at all.
SarenS won the French EPS and the eOSL Winter, ended 5-8 at Cologne during the IEM (lose 2-3 to Idra) and reached GO4SC2 #41 final
Cheers
Don't get me wrong, I think Sarens is a pretty talented guy, but taking 2 games from idra at IEM when 5 rax reaper was practically autowin doesn't really have any merit.
The games were just before the 5 rax reapers trend, as it was mostly popularized precisely in the final of that tourney.
On December 29 2010 16:16 Blaize wrote: I know I'm changing the Topic from a discussion of who gets in but I had to say quite honestly that Liquid will win it all. With EG trailing behind in second.
Pretty sure that these teams are all good enough that coming out and saying this team is gonna get first and this team is gonna get second doesn't mean too much. They all have the players to compete with each other.
Wow, really great teams signing up for this league. This league is going to be incredible. I personally think FXOpen, LG, or NrG should get the last spot. FXOpen and LG hasn't been around for too long but they seem like they're really organized. NrG's been around forever so I have no doubt in their leader's ability to make things happen. But, I don't know, I'm kinda leaning towards NrG. It seems like some of their players are being overlooked, they're all immensely skilled. It's going to be close though, GL to all the teams!
On December 26 2010 13:22 prodiG wrote: If the eighth team isn't either a korean pro team or nrg, I will be absolutely floored.
On December 26 2010 13:21 blade55555 wrote: I'm surprised vt got an invite but vVv didn't :O.
But should be great can't wait to watch some good games :D
Didn't they just get assimilated into complexity?
No that was Nova and only 1 player from vvv went there from what I know unless others got an invite
Also yeah NRG also. I'm surprised VT was picked over one of those two especially considering NRG has been dominating lots of clans lately and vvv just won the SCL and I dunno what VT has done lately in terms of clan wars.
they got a ginger (torch) why wouldn't u want vt? on a side note, no idea what they have done lately either, and personally some of their members i wouldn't say are top notch got a few on ladder and i won pretty convincingly (i don't consider myself amazing or anything either). note: i'm not saying they are bad by any means (b/c they aren't) i am simply stating personal experience.
lol saying aAa has "by far the strongest sc2 lineup" is absolutely ludicrous, they have sarens and to a lesser extent nerchio, two players who have done little in the global scene and significantly less in the european scene than teams like mouz dignitas even liquid's couple representatives in EU, among other teams.
They're a team, they have good players, but they aren't BY FAR THE STRONGEST.
since other people have said it, i'll feel less guilty pointing it out now. I voted for LG, I have no affiliation towards LG, but if you look at the format of team leagues, it has never been about one individual star (sorry vT, spades is a good player but even he has only top 32'd at MLG's and done little in the ways of top 3'ing online tournaments).
LG has one of the best overall lineup for competing in a team league, headed by obviously PainUser, but also with players like Agh, Zelniq, Shew, sykness, response, ranged, etc.
the only teams that can hold a lick to that are NRG (with 3 extremely solid players). coL, although I love their players, really they're like another vT, except their Spades is Stalife, who does better in tournaments and is a bonafide star player. FXO is another team that along with NRG and LG should be, in my opinion, looked at more closely, since their team has some of the top players around like Sheth (who takes breaks on and off quite a bit, but has shown to be great at online events), as well as mOOnglade, the #1 SEA player, and Filthy, another top SEA player, and OptikZero. I believe they'll need at least a 5th player to compete in most formats of team leagues.
After all that, you can look at vVv with players who haven't been as much on the radar lately like Murder, but also has players like Rigid, Time, and NGry.
In order to compete in the team league the team needs to not necessarily hvae more sponsorships or players, but they need 4-5 extremely solid players. I honestly think only LG, NRG, and FXO can offer that.
On December 30 2010 04:20 desrow wrote: omg aaa is gonna win so hard, they have so much votes in the pool haha
On December 28 2010 07:26 Xeris wrote: I never said I was going to choose the team based on the poll result ... @_@
and rightfully so.
PS: Many of those tournaments are fairly empty without much representation from strong players, not to say that they are all like that, as obviously a tournament with allaboutyou, fenix, or another with ddoro taurent kiwikaki etc. are no small feat. but I do think both NRG and aAa posting every top 8 they've gotten won't help unless it shows the competition as well. That proves merit much moreso than placements at small 25 dollar tournaments. But after looking at brackets and list of achievements, NRG blows aAa out of the water sorry.
Yeah I agree, I think obviously it sucks only 1 team can make it but there is no doubt NrG is underrated, a lineup with mihai dde vibe and cheese is much stronger than given credit for.
Xeris, this is going to sound a lil biased, since I'm from LA anyways (playing in US server though), but it seems to me it'd be good if you take CNB, or some other non euro/non US team, just for the sake of making the tournament more global, that'd be better for the scene as a whole. Plus, I'm pretty sure they could put up a nice performance.
My vote goes to nrg. That list of achievements is very impressive, and they have a whole bunch of top 200 players. In addition I remember watching a very close and well played match between dde and huk at mlg.
I think that their team, from top to bottom, is the most competetive, even if they do not have the best overall stars. To go back to a basketball reference, I would compare them to San Antonio. They rarely are flashy and they don't have all the cool top players, but they just keep winning.
I think if it comes down to expanding viewership, it should be FXO, since that opens the doors to the SEA server, if it comes down to merit it should be between NRG and FXO and LG. NRG does have some very impressive tournament wins and CW wins now that I'm looking over it all again.
^ good comparison to basketball teams actually lol.
On December 28 2010 08:02 eNtitY~ wrote: Would be cool to see Vile or Complexity in this.
I was kinda hoping to see Vile get a shot, what with Hashe being listed as a coach at Gosucoaching and all. Guess more of their lineup needs to get out there and make a name for themselves.
NrG's achievements are impressive, but it's also obvious LG has a talented lineup and FXOpen's players have accrued at least $5,575 in individual prizemoney from tournaments. I think it may have to go down to some kind of playoff as it's hard to make a decision on the right team.
On December 30 2010 08:46 deL wrote: NrG's achievements are impressive, but it's also obvious LG has a talented lineup and FXOpen's players have accrued at least $5,575 in individual prizemoney from tournaments. I think it may have to go down to some kind of playoff as it's hard to make a decision on the right team.
Or extend it to 12 teams :D
Where did that $5,500 come from? From the achievements you listed in your application, I total about... $800 at most o_O;
Duran, look at your girlfriend look back at me. Does she look like me? Could she? No. Could she smell like me? Yes. I'm on a horse. 5,500 dollars are on the horse with me.
glade has won every SEA event possible I believe... I stopped paying attention when it became almost obvious he would win And Sheth is the oldspice redneck ninja. Hes on a horse... look at him
LG definitely has the strongest lineup of all the teams without a spot. Painuser tore up mlg dallas, and response was #7 on the us server a week or so ago.
To my knowledge FXO only has 4 members at the moment, 2 of them living in aus? (messed up timezones) Might be hard to have all 4 show up every single time at these timeslots O_O
On December 30 2010 08:46 deL wrote: NrG's achievements are impressive, but it's also obvious LG has a talented lineup and FXOpen's players have accrued at least $5,575 in individual prizemoney from tournaments. I think it may have to go down to some kind of playoff as it's hard to make a decision on the right team.
Or extend it to 12 teams :D
Where did that $5,500 come from? From the achievements you listed in your application, I total about... $800 at most o_O;
I was including all the little $50-100 tourneys, beta events, etc. no one cares about seeing NrG and co. thought it was necessary. They were not included in the original application.
I don't understand why you can't have the teams compete with each other for the 8th spot and not cast the games. I think you said you couldn't have any qualifiers because of time constrains but this won't even take any time off of you and if they really wanted the spot they would play for it. There's about a week left so just pick the top 8 teams that aren't in yet and make a small bracket and make them each play a clan battle each day and send you the reps for proof. Unless there's something I'm missing this seems to be the best choice.
It's slightly unfortunate if some team has a bad day, but I guess in theory, they all run that risk. Seems risky, but at the same time I guess its a fair solution in some ways.
On December 30 2010 08:46 deL wrote: NrG's achievements are impressive, but it's also obvious LG has a talented lineup and FXOpen's players have accrued at least $5,575 in individual prizemoney from tournaments. I think it may have to go down to some kind of playoff as it's hard to make a decision on the right team.
Or extend it to 12 teams :D
Where did that $5,500 come from? From the achievements you listed in your application, I total about... $800 at most o_O;
I was including all the little $50-100 tourneys, beta events, etc. no one cares about seeing NrG and co. thought it was necessary. They were not included in the original application.
i took a look at nrg's roster....they are pretty solid. all 3k+. I think u should compare all the other team's rosters as well
Xeris already knows that no matter who he selects, he's going to get a ton of backlash from the people who disagree and are upset.
fairest way is to have a prelim playoff it'd be fun, too. and it's the fairest way of settling this. if people are unhappy with the result after that, their team should have performed better in those matches.
On December 30 2010 14:07 saltygrapes wrote: Xeris already knows that no matter who he selects, he's going to get a ton of backlash from the people who disagree and are upset.
fairest way is to have a prelim playoff it'd be fun, too. and it's the fairest way of settling this. if people are unhappy with the result after that, their team should have performed better in those matches.
Fuck yeah for team liquid finally jumping in on the clan war scene!! This is going to be so damn epic! Are the lineups for each team set for the whole league or can it change match to match? And can players that are in Korea participate? Eg ret, huk, idra?
On December 30 2010 12:12 FXOpen wrote: I like the idea of expanding the tournament. But might be a huge burden on organisers.
Seeing as it is Xeris who runs it i wouldn't worry about that, he can manage it ez
I think it's more a time factor than a work load. Since every single match is going to be casted expanding the amount of teams would make it quite a bit longer.
x2 teams to make a total of 16 would be the best ... anyways i defend aAa (try to tell french people they are not the best ... we are very arrogant people ^_^ not all of us but most of us :p) but i must say, there are a LOT of good teams out there ... all able to compete with all the others and it would be stupid and ridiculous to keep them out just because some people decided the league would be on invite only .... Without wanting to be rude or anything (i'm just expressing my opinion) there should be a larger pool and ALL the teams should compete to get in the league, i don't understand why some teams are left out and others get in just because they got "invited", even though they are good i agree (how could i say EG or Liquid is bad ^_^). Or else someone go create another teamleague (which i doubt anybody will do...) and get above this one at skill/reputation level (which i am against, i love competition, but i hate people trying to get on top of themselves if you see what i mean) and make people forget about it.
So Xeris , and i think i am not the only one to think that way, you should see about extending the competition and organize another one to see who is able to compete in it (all the good teams should get in anyways, if they do indeed deserve it)
Sorry if i mistyped words/forgot some ... happens to me often especially after a 60 hours sleep deprivation ... thx JFK :'(
I assume Xeris will do all in his power to make this as fair as possible-to simply say he has to extend the tournament and accept more teams is absolutely ridiculous! If Xeris can extend the tournament he will, if not then the original 'plan' for the league will stick.. Suggesting that anything but a prelim tournament or extending the player pool is unfair is total crap.. Xeris is running a tournament not the 'please the world foundation'.. I am sure whatever decision is made will be the best given the situation
On December 31 2010 09:53 bkrow wrote: I assume Xeris will do all in his power to make this as fair as possible-to simply say he has to extend the tournament and accept more teams is absolutely ridiculous! If Xeris can extend the tournament he will, if not then the original 'plan' for the league will stick.. Suggesting that anything but a prelim tournament or extending the player pool is unfair is total crap.. Xeris is running a tournament not the 'please the world foundation'.. I am sure whatever decision is made will be the best given the situation
as i said it was only my opinion, and not what he should be by any means
even though i must admit at the end it might sound like that ^_^
On January 01 2011 09:57 TT1 wrote: because me and sen are imba
You+SEn vs Axslav+Strifecro, I'd dig that matchup, since they were one of the best 2v2 teams in WC3 and are solid in SC2 2v2 (Top NA server-wise, although that doesn't say THAT much).
I don't think that should be a tiebreaker though lol
As for mTw, I'm sure they'd be a favorite for sure, but have they even registered yet?
On January 01 2011 10:51 TT1 wrote: oh shit its true i forgot about ax/strife.. hmm we might actually need to practice drewbie and catz are also decent
The following 8 teams have been invited to play the Premiere League qualifier - the winning team will take the final position in the GosuCoaching Premiere League:
GCPL Qualifier
NrG aAa FXO Complexity Lazarus CNB Empire vVv
Details: The tournament will run all day Saturday January 8th until a winner is chosen. The format will be 4 1v1's + ACE match (each 1v1 is bo1, the ace is bo3). The teams will square off in a single elimination bracket.
The tournament will begin at 18 CET (12pm EST, 9am PST)
Bracket:
NrG vs aAa Empire vs CNB FXO vs Complexity vVv vs Lazarus
I will be contacting each team through email. If you can't attend on Saturday, please let me know and I will replace your team.
Awesome decision Xeris - great to see this will be settled the correct way.. this prelim tournament is going to be epic .. and then the actual tournament as well - geek chills
On January 02 2011 12:41 Xeris wrote: The following 8 teams have been invited to play the Premiere League qualifier - the winning team will take the final position in the GosuCoaching Premiere League:
GCPL Qualifier
NrG aAa FXO Complexity Lazarus CNB Empire vVv
Details: The tournament will run all day Saturday January 8th until a winner is chosen. The format will be 4 1v1's + ACE match (each 1v1 is bo1, the ace is bo3). The teams will square off in a single elimination bracket.
The tournament will begin at 18 CET (12pm EST, 9am PST)
Bracket:
NrG vs aAa Empire vs CNB FXO vs Complexity vVv vs Lazarus
I will be contacting each team through email. If you can't attend on Saturday, please let me know and I will replace your team.
Wow, great news! You can always count on Xeris to not let you down when he's organizing/hosting. Really amazing match ups. Whoever can climb out of this premier league as the victor, definitely deserves their spot in the gosucoaching premier league.
I can promise to get the replays posted as soon as we finish our games. Maybe Xeris will make a thread that day for the results etc, and i will post there.
How will we be playing these games? NA vs EU teams will be difficult to arrange wont they? I know we only have NA accounts atm >.<
On December 26 2010 14:31 Contagious wrote: ...GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members...
As part of the Gosucoaching.com management team and somebody with stake in the company I can tell you with 100% certainty that Gosucoaching is not run by EG core members. We do have a few of the EG team on our coaching staff, the most prominent and vocal of course being iNcontroL, but don't assume that means GosuCoaching is run by EG or any other team for that matter.
We always have been team agnostic and will be for the forseeable future.
I had the notion that Louder started the site and the beginning coaches were mostly EG members, so when I said "EG's core members", I meant just the players themselves, without any team affiliation. It's just a lot easier to say that, cause people still get the same information. Also, when I look at the site I just notice a lot of things dealing with EG, so I assumed.
This qualifier is going to be epic. Everyone better bring their A game and then some.
As for the 2v2 talk, I also think watching super high level 2v2's between these teams would be fun lol, EG with Ax/Strife, ROOT with their Catz/Drewbie combo, TT1 and Sen on fnatic, etc. That would be extremely fun to watch, along with teams like Liquid, etc.
Glad there's gonna be a qualifier, it's bit more like the English Premiere league with a team moving up now! If it sticks around you could have the worst performing team go down too
I don't know what 2v2 looks like in SC2 these days but I loved it in PL
On January 02 2011 12:48 RyanRushia wrote: this is awesome. glad it came to this instead of a poll!
Just to be clear, the poll was never going to be the method for selecting the 8th team, it was merely to gauge community opinion. This was stated clearly in the post about the poll on Gosucoaching.com
On January 02 2011 14:03 icedragon wrote: Any chance that these games will be casted/ replays will be made available?
My question as well. Hoping for casting :D
Our goal is to cast every single game. At the very least, all games shown on the http://justin.tv/gosucoachingtv channel will be casted, and of course all of those VODs will be available after each cast.
With respect to replays, We're not sure if we'll post each and every replay, but we'll certainly be making the replays from the semi-finals and finals available on www.gosucoaching.com
The promotion of the event by HD is great and it shows the support his fans have for his team, LG... Lazarus will have a strong showing on Saturday I'm sure, but as always.. may the best team win!
HD actually made people in his channel believe that the 8th team would be chosen by voting, not by a qualifier, and asked them to vote for his team so that he would play in the tournament. That's why Kana said that. A qualifier seems like a much better choice though.
Well, he basically said what I just wrote above. I won't transcript it, but it's in the video bellow, around 3 minutes. EDIT: And by above I mean the previous page...
It's no big deal though, he just thought the 8th spot would be defined by voting and asked his fan base to vote for him, that's all.
aAa seeing as how we play first would you like to exchange some sort of contact info? It would help the day start off easier for both parties. GL to everyone, tomorrow will be a tough but fun day!
kas is on a roll in TLOpen I can't blame him for wanting to wait for that to be over o.o after all thats a lot of points/qualification potential for the biggest SC2 tournament around right now.
On January 09 2011 04:49 ZlaSHeR wrote: kas is on a roll in TLOpen I can't blame him for wanting to wait for that to be over o.o after all thats a lot of points/qualification potential for the biggest SC2 tournament around right now.
its not only kas though. sarens is still playing Pokeridol, naniwa is in the TLOpen as well and also Nerchio is still playing a tournement (4pl)
On January 09 2011 04:49 ZlaSHeR wrote: kas is on a roll in TLOpen I can't blame him for wanting to wait for that to be over o.o after all thats a lot of points/qualification potential for the biggest SC2 tournament around right now.
its not only kas though. sarens is still playing Pokeridol, naniwa is in the TLOpen as well and also Nerchio is still playing a tournement (4pl)
so much stuff going on today :O
Reading these names reminds me again that Empire and also aAa seem to have better players then some of the teams already directly invited. Oh well.
Is it just me, or does this stream lag horribly? The actual framerate when not lagging isn't much better either, at around 10-15fps. Then every 20-30sec it freezes for a good 5 seconds or so (you can still hear the audio, but the video lags). I really love Gretorp and his analysis and this seems like a great tournament, but it's a shame the stream quality is lacking a bit. Hopefully it's something minor you can fix for the future (maybe lower the streamer's SC2 settings?)
On January 09 2011 07:57 ShivaN wrote: Is it just me, or does this stream lag horribly? The actual framerate when not lagging isn't much better either, at around 10-15fps. Then every 20-30sec it freezes for a good 5 seconds or so (you can still hear the audio, but the video lags). I really love Gretorp and his analysis and this seems like a great tournament, but it's a shame the stream quality is lacking a bit. Hopefully it's something minor you can fix for the future (maybe lower the streamer's SC2 settings?)
Stream runs perfectly. Just have to pick which res is best for you.
On January 09 2011 17:43 Lynskey wrote: Any chance of replays?
Probably won't be posting replays for the qualifiers. But the VODs are available at www.justin.tv/gosucoachingtv
Once we get full blown in to the regular Premiere League Season we'll start publishing replay packs periodically, though probably not for every game (there will be way too many games to publish every replay).
really surprised lzgamer keeps getting put into lineups for EG O_O Maybe they didnt have anyone available but you'd think inka incontrol machine strifecro would be a better choice, no offense to lz O_O
wow this is amazing i can not believe that i did not see this sooner, glad i was looking ahead of this week events and saw that TL was playing, hope to see some good results from Liquid in this.
Don't understand the time you chose for the tournament. Its quite late to americans and too early for Euros, do you believe you'll get a good audience at this time?
EDIT: I mean, it does make sense to do this at a week day, now I see that the weekend days are different and pretty good. Or even if its not because of the weekend, just to change the time is nice
On January 12 2011 21:45 drooL wrote: so i kind of desperately want to see EG vs liquid. are there going to be VODs? if not i might just consider getting up at 5am. :D
Oh and to say the EG tag is pulling more than the players are is pretty stupid, and plus GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members.. so I don't see why the hate against them for trying to help.
Yeah pretty much. EG has great players but I don't know that they've been performing that great in cws.
Oh and to say the EG tag is pulling more than the players are is pretty stupid, and plus GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members.. so I don't see why the hate against them for trying to help.
Yeah pretty much. EG has great players but I don't know that they've been performing that great in cws.
They had a rough stretch of a couple of weeks, but neither Idra nor Demuslim has ever competed for them in CW's, which are of course first to 4 wins. That could make one hell of a big difference.
Oh and to say the EG tag is pulling more than the players are is pretty stupid, and plus GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members.. so I don't see why the hate against them for trying to help.
Yeah pretty much. EG has great players but I don't know that they've been performing that great in cws.
They had a rough stretch of a couple of weeks, but neither Idra nor Demuslim has ever competed for them in CW's, which are of course first to 4 wins. That could make one hell of a big difference.
Idra did play in one against CNB I think when he was in america . He won the first game lost the second. But I do agree with both of those players played in clan wars EG would be 100x stronger and more fearsome.
Oh and to say the EG tag is pulling more than the players are is pretty stupid, and plus GosuCoaching is run by EG's core members.. so I don't see why the hate against them for trying to help.
Yeah pretty much. EG has great players but I don't know that they've been performing that great in cws.
They had a rough stretch of a couple of weeks, but neither Idra nor Demuslim has ever competed for them in CW's, which are of course first to 4 wins. That could make one hell of a big difference.
Idra did play in one against CNB I think when he was in america . He won the first game lost the second. But I do agree with both of those players played in clan wars EG would be 100x stronger and more fearsome.
Can't wait for liquid vs EG though :D
Yeah, I guess my point is, with both Idra and Demuslim, they are by no means a walkover, nor are they the odds on favorite, it just means that them along with (*cough*almost)every team in this league will all have relatively equal chances.
Live games would be cool, but the schedule kinda only leaves replay casting. If the players in europe would play a tournament between 5am and 7am I'd be more than surprised. Anyways, looking forward to the VoDs.
Excited for Empire to play. I haven't seen them much as I don't follow EU stuff as much as I should. Hope for some good games there. Excited for TL vs EG though. Hope it goes to ace match!
On January 13 2011 07:38 ico wrote: Live games would be cool, but the schedule kinda only leaves replay casting. If the players in europe would play a tournament between 5am and 7am I'd be more than surprised. Anyways, looking forward to the VoDs.
A) Those players will be playing between 5 a.m. and 7 a.m. CET B) Sorry about the link. We'll have it corrected. In the mean time, here's the correct link:
Kas not repping for Empire this week Maybe we will see him in Ace match tho GL to both Empire and Fnatic tonight(although I think Empire could use the luck more)
1) the commentator audio is like a couple seconds ahead of the stream for some reason? 2) the streaming is good quality but pixelates alot during motion. something to do with keyframes?
On January 20 2011 09:27 ZlaSHeR wrote: Because liquid and mouse are better known more popular teams.
so what? weve proven ourselves by winning. we are #1 on gg.net ranking and all that jazz. just because we dont have too many widely known players apart from goody doesnt mean we cant compete. Its a team league and not a group of well known solo players league. I am confident we belong in there.
On January 20 2011 09:27 ZlaSHeR wrote: Because liquid and mouse are better known more popular teams.
so what? weve proven ourselves by winning. we are #1 on gg.net ranking and all that jazz. just because we dont have too many widely known players apart from goody doesnt mean we cant compete. Its a team league and not a group of well known solo players league. I am confident we belong in there.
As did many other teams there was a time period (like 2 weeks?) where teams could apply for qualifies to fight for the 8th spot. These teams fought it out and the winner got the 8th spot. You noticed the thread too late
On January 20 2011 09:27 ZlaSHeR wrote: Because liquid and mouse are better known more popular teams.
so what? weve proven ourselves by winning. we are #1 on gg.net ranking and all that jazz. just because we dont have too many widely known players apart from goody doesnt mean we cant compete. Its a team league and not a group of well known solo players league. I am confident we belong in there.
What do you mean so what. The reason liquid and mouz are there is because they are more popular and better known teams, thats it. Due to the recognition they get from their play as well as their players, you'll see them invited to stuff. Not to mention there was a qualifier for the 8th spot which Empire got. There are a couple teams in this league that aren't even as good as mouse or liquid, but the people who make the decisions on who to invite made their choices, and your team wasn't on there. Should have entered the qualifier if you think you have the #1 team in the world.
On January 20 2011 09:22 diehilde wrote: huh first time i notice this. why didnt we get invited?? we beat liquid and mouz last time we played and won sc2cl... imba T_T well gl liquid i guess!
The chat is really.. rude. Calling a 3 gate blink stalker build that hit a nice timing a no skill all in? Why all the hate? Any of these guys can probably beat anybody in the chat, and I call a win a win. Sad that qxc couldn't make it, but good job minigun!
guess this is the best place to ask, is there any way to watch the vods in lower quality`? my connection here cant really handle it and i cant find any option to change it. so if there is and im just stupid pls tell me :>
Hey Xeris, waiting for MSL tonight I drew up a chart for your standings that is current as of today's liquid vs vt games. I got the same tally as Jalstar so it should be correct. Feel free to use for your op, should you choose not to I may edit it in myself.
Thanks for the updated bracket. I have not been following as I have been really busy as of late, but definitely gonna check out the vods soon.
Sad to see Root at 0-2 though :\. Liquid is just tearing up the team stuff right now! First the Machina Invitational and then the GPL. Great job guys!.
Im really exited about this league but the vods are nearly unwatchable for me .. they load unbelievable slow. Have to catch it live i guess.Will there be replays after the league is finished?
yea we're working on that -- and well, Heyoka did a great job (better than I would have done because I suck at making things look aesthetically pleasing) .
Also, I'm really happy to announce that the prizepool for the league has increased to $10,000!!
On January 28 2011 02:38 Xeris wrote: yea we're working on that -- and well, Heyoka did a great job (better than I would have done because I suck at making things look aesthetically pleasing) .
Also, I'm really happy to announce that the prizepool for the league has increased to $10,000!!
On January 28 2011 02:38 Xeris wrote: yea we're working on that -- and well, Heyoka did a great job (better than I would have done because I suck at making things look aesthetically pleasing) .
Also, I'm really happy to announce that the prizepool for the league has increased to $10,000!!
Amazing prize pool Xeris. Well done man. Love the way this whole league so far has been panning out.
As for the league in general, with VT being an underdog I really hope they can climb up the table. Gix really has impressed me as of late. I am sure I discredited some of their other players as well earlier when we were qualifying for the last spot (My apologies).
Best of luck to all teams! Lets keep up the exciting games!
Really impressive stuff Xeris, matches are running smoothly, and I like the chart that is provided! Best of lucks to all the teams competing I hope someone can catch up to Liquid!
On January 28 2011 09:33 debasers wrote: IMO you should split the prize a bit more.
I like top heavy prizes, I think it fires up the competition more. And why reward a team for getting 4th out of 8? That's like giving someone a present for failing an exam .
On January 28 2011 09:33 debasers wrote: IMO you should split the prize a bit more.
I like top heavy prizes, I think it fires up the competition more. And why reward a team for getting 4th out of 8? That's like giving someone a present for failing an exam .
Also, splitting them up more means less money for everyone, and seeing as they're teams that would make the individual prize money pretty terrible.
Wow .. just gawking at the prize pool :O! That is amazing! Thank you Gosu Coaching (and sponsors) Top heavy prize pools are much more exciting (but less encouraging for players i guess)..
Also, thank you for answering our prayers heyoka for a standings spreadsheet
I probably missed the discussion when teams were picked/whatever, but how come VT is in this instead of other NA teams that would do well? VT is decent but I don't think their lineup is as strong as say, NrG.
On January 28 2011 11:15 Dark.Carnival wrote: I probably missed the discussion when teams were picked/whatever, but how come VT is in this instead of other NA teams that would do well? VT is decent but I don't think their lineup is as strong as say, NrG.
I think a team like millenium or aTn/mtw would be more suited tbh
There was a qualification tournament for the 8th spot which Empire won. Any of those teams you have mentioned could have applied for the qualification tournament for the 8th spot
The best casted sc2 games I've seen in a long time, love the relaxed attitude mixed in with professionalism, so easy to just grab a beer, sit back, and enjoy the show.
Btw, can't believe the big, generous sponsor, that's so awesome, hope the get lots of support for supporting sc2.
On January 29 2011 04:14 Naniwa wrote: (on [GCPL] Mouz vs Fnatic) mouz 3:1
hasuobs loses
Naniwa predicts TT1 was going to lose.
On January 29 2011 05:29 TT1 wrote: (on [GCPL] Dignitas vs Root) dKiLLeR < ROOTdrewbie dSeleCT > ROOTqxc dSjoW > ROOTDDoRo dNaniwa < ROOTKiWiKaKi (extremely ez win for kiwi, this will be the world premiere of a revolutionary pvp style)
ace: kiwi vs select, wont give any predictions but its gonna be sick
im sooo excited for this cw
TTOne counter attacks, predicting an "extremely ez win for kiwi" against nani.
On January 31 2011 03:09 Naniwa wrote: (on [GCPL] Mouz vs Fnatic) fnatic would have a chance without tt1 :<<<
Naniwa gets back in the psychological warfare. He claims Fnatic won't stand a chance with TT1 in play.
tt1 should keep away from the predictions it seems, he also predicted an "ez win for na" in the na vs eu series, before getting completely smashed by sjow and usa getting smashed overall as well. :p
On January 29 2011 05:29 TT1 wrote: (on [GCPL] Dignitas vs Root) dKiLLeR < ROOTdrewbie dSeleCT > ROOTqxc dSjoW > ROOTDDoRo dNaniwa < ROOTKiWiKaKi (extremely ez win for kiwi, this will be the world premiere of a revolutionary pvp style)
ace: kiwi vs select, wont give any predictions but its gonna be sick
im sooo excited for this cw
TTOne counter attacks, predicting an "extremely ez win for kiwi" against nani.
On February 01 2011 12:32 RyanRushia wrote: anyone else surprised ROOT is 0-3 with 1-9 map scores? hadnt noticed they were so far behind
edit: behind in scores, not skill
I'm pretty surprised too They've put in some good games and others were just stomped. I feel like the team's been a slump recently too, but all it takes is a couple wins and suddenly they'll be tearing it up again.
I am moreso surprised at how one-sided a lot of the contests have been. I think it's part of the semi-bo1 style that comes with having designated player v player matches... I like that it makes each game really important but I feel like it detracts from the team spirit of the matches.
Still being done real well tho, so good job so far Xeris :D
their in the finals so their obviously not bad lmao and I believe that had a couple korean clans too.
Yeah, but the Machinima Realm Invitational had also two 2v2, so it's again a different story. Mouz won more 1v1 against root, but lost the clanwar (the same against EG). Dignitas wasn't even invited to the MRI.
Root lost against Liquid, Mouz and Dignitas in this league, that was pretty much expected (at least from an European point of view).
On February 01 2011 15:42 backtoback wrote: not sure if mentioned but why are some teams 3-0 and others 3-1?? Isn't it far to play it all to equal 4 games incase of tie breakers?
Match stops at 3-0. So if a team goes 3-0, its over.
On February 01 2011 12:29 Xeris wrote: I think EG is the biggest surprise thus far, its like everyone there is having a "click" moment and its all falling into place! Awesome to witness
Na they just have demuslim and idra playing for them
On February 01 2011 12:29 Xeris wrote: I think EG is the biggest surprise thus far, its like everyone there is having a "click" moment and its all falling into place! Awesome to witness
Na they just have demuslim and idra playing for them
Some how as soon as InControl said that on Sotg I knew someone would say that lol. but in all seriousness, EG is playing very well from all the players!
On February 01 2011 12:29 Xeris wrote: I think EG is the biggest surprise thus far, its like everyone there is having a "click" moment and its all falling into place! Awesome to witness
Na they just have demuslim and idra playing for them
Some how as soon as InControl said that on Sotg I knew someone would say that lol. but in all seriousness, EG is playing very well from all the players!
Not so awesome for ROOT - they are capable of a lot better.. They are doing well in the Machinima.. but i guess you can just not show up for some games to get through that tourny (jokes all round)..
Tonight should be a crazy series! Hopefully liquid can cement themselves on top!
On February 12 2011 00:57 tcnguyen wrote: Has anyone been keeping track of individual records? Like win loss rate for each player?
The players who won all their games are (maybe I forgot someone): TLO (Hasu, Select, drewbie, Axslav) Sjow (Jinro, DDoRo, Pokebunny) Kas (Mana, Morrow, Incontrol, Looky) Naniwa (Tyler, Kiwikaki, Future, Fenix)
Naniwa won two matches for Empire and two matches for Dignitas.
On February 13 2011 06:18 godemperor wrote: does the ranking within the top 4 matter, because as far as i see, all of the top 4 goes to playoffs.
I'd assume it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd for the playoff semis, so it's going to matter somewhat.
Correct
Is Dignitas still first because they won vs TL? So direct record takes priority over win/loss ratio?
Correct again.
Order of importance: 1. Win/Loss record 2. Head-to-head (if there is a tie between 2 teams) 3. Points (calculated by wins - losses)
So: Since Dignitas beat Liquid, Dignitas is 1st. If there's a tie between multiple teams that can't be decided by head-to-head, we look at points to break the tie.
So, if Mouz beats EG this weekend, and we have a 3 way tie between Mouz, EG, and Fnatic... since Mouz beat both EG and Fnatic, Mouz would be listed first, and since EG beat Fnatic, EG would be 2nd.
In the 1st week, why did the Naniwa vs Fenix game count? According to the live report thread ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184109 ) it was schedule 4th, but played 1st. Generally the policy I've seen is that the games are counted as they are scheduled, not as they were actually played. I'm sure there's a subtlety here that I'm missing, so I'm hoping you can help me find it
On February 13 2011 06:18 godemperor wrote: does the ranking within the top 4 matter, because as far as i see, all of the top 4 goes to playoffs.
I'd assume it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd for the playoff semis, so it's going to matter somewhat.
Correct
Is Dignitas still first because they won vs TL? So direct record takes priority over win/loss ratio?
Correct again.
Order of importance: 1. Win/Loss record 2. Head-to-head (if there is a tie between 2 teams) 3. Points (calculated by wins - losses)
So: Since Dignitas beat Liquid, Dignitas is 1st. If there's a tie between multiple teams that can't be decided by head-to-head, we look at points to break the tie.
So, if Mouz beats EG this weekend, and we have a 3 way tie between Mouz, EG, and Fnatic... since Mouz beat both EG and Fnatic, Mouz would be listed first, and since EG beat Fnatic, EG would be 2nd.
Hmm, If liquid beats fnatic msi this week and root beats VT right now, it's likely that root will move into fourth and take fnatic's spot.
If there's a 7th week and it's the final one, that could set up a pretty dramatic finish, because I think it'll be fnatic vs.root in week 7 (though I could be mistaken).
On February 14 2011 14:41 Antoine wrote: Hi Xeris,
In the 1st week, why did the Naniwa vs Fenix game count? According to the live report thread ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184109 ) it was schedule 4th, but played 1st. Generally the policy I've seen is that the games are counted as they are scheduled, not as they were actually played. I'm sure there's a subtlety here that I'm missing, so I'm hoping you can help me find it
Thanks!
Hey, thanks for pointing that out! I totally missed that! Week 7 (final week before playoffs!) posted, updated standings coming in 1-2 hours :D
Hehe, funny to see Mouz and Fnatic on the same win/loss standings, but with such a big difference between them in terms of actual results. Next time Mouz!
So if root beats fnatic this week they will take their spot at fourth, right? Since they would be tied for win/loss but have beaten the team they are tied with.
Alright, so I'm just thinking through how this week's results will affect who gets into the 4 team playoff.
By my calculations, Dignitas, Liquid and EG are guaranteed to get into the playoff. This is because of Dignitas' record and Liquid's overall points and even if EG loses to Dignitas 0-3 and ROOT beat Fnatic, EG will have more overall points then Fnatic.
So it seems like the only game to decide who gets into the playoff is ROOT vs Fnatic. No matter what record the clan war results in (ie 3-2 is the same as 3-0), the winner advances. For example, if ROOT wins against Fnatic, but the final score it 3-2, ROOT gets 1 point, Fnatic loses 1 point, and both are tied at 4 wins, 3 losses and -1 points. I assume in this case, ROOT advances over Fnatic because ROOT beat them in the head-to-head. Obviously if ROOT wins by more then 1 point (3-1 or 3-0) or if Fnatic wins, by any margin, there is no tie and no potential issue. I just wanted to confirm this is how it would work.
Thanks, and please tell me if my awful math is wrong and if there is some other scenario I didn't consider!
GL on thursday man I hope we smash u guys , lol :D it's always gg's though.
I wish it wasn't down to a one or the other type of thing between ROOT and Fnatic, given the close ties between our two teams, but I guess that's both of our faults for not winning more games.
Maybe part of the "confusion" with the points column comes from usually associating points with the "3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss" distribution you see in regular sports leagues. The name is "taken" already for something different and that can be confusing. Since there is no need for a regular points column here (no draws) the term got reassigned which I dont think is a good idea.
I have tried to come up with something better though and been unable to get something short which would fit the column header. In football its the goal difference and it should be the game difference here, so calling it "diff." might be less confusing even though it is easier to talk about "points".
So I was bored and was curious about individual performance in these matches so I went through and tallied up all the matches. Some standout performances(didn't include ace matches):
- Liquid'Ret and EGAxslav were both 6-1 on the season
- MouzHasuobs and EmpireKas were both undefeated at 5-0 on the season
- Many players had 4 wins including Liquid'TLO, Liquid'Haypro, DignitasNaniwa at 4-1 and DignitasSeleCT, DignitasKiLLeR, and FnaticSen at 4-2
-FnaticFenix was 2-0(4-0) in ace matches and as a team Fnatic was 3-0(6-0) in ace matches
Figured I'd share the info, looking forward to the playoffs!
On February 28 2011 09:08 Xeris wrote: OP updated with all the relevant info ... complete & final standings as well!!
1st. Liquid 2nd. EG 3rd. Dignitas 4th. FnaticMSI
So for the semi final we'll have: Liquid vs FnaticMSI .... EG vs Dignitas !
Full update, schedule, etc , coming soon!
Nice to see that the top 4 teams all had the same record they really all played well. I can not wait for the playoff Go Liquid wanna see them go all the way.
Not really considering the 1 second lag from Korea, it's a massive handicap, although Ret and Haypro have really shone in this tourney despite the lag.
The finals of this tourney are going to be amazing, I definitely think the 4 best teams have made it through to the final 4. My prediction is a liquid-dignitas finals but having said that EG will be tough to beat if Idra is back in the states and Demuslim has recovered.
nah dont feel bad for VT. its like feeling bad for shannon brown in the NBA. you shouldnt. VT was honored as one of the top 8 teams outside of korea and they should feel proud for being included in what many other teams hoped to be part of.
Hi, just a quick note, please stream/record in lower quality or generally watch out for low fps, I'm just watching EG vs Liquid 3rd place match recording and the FPS is visibly low. Thanks.
On March 07 2011 10:34 JiYan wrote: nah dont feel bad for VT. its like feeling bad for shannon brown in the NBA. you shouldnt. VT was honored as one of the top 8 teams outside of korea and they should feel proud for being included in what many other teams hoped to be part of.
Idd, hopefully next season we see teams like mym, milleniun and fxo instead as those teams are the same calibre of eg,liquid dignitas etc
JiYan United States. March 07 2011 10:34. Posts 1206 PM Profile Blog Quote # nah dont feel bad for VT. its like feeling bad for shannon brown in the NBA.
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