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_vladimir_
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia530 Posts
December 06 2010 13:06 GMT
#2841
Ok this really looks unbalanced at the moment, as even Ret said, zerg lack of early scouting means they can easily get killed by one of cheese, while on the other hand they have really big advantage now with mass eco in late game, so actualy people are force to cheese them, and i dont know how will blizz in future manage to fix both problems at once, and that is needed, because if they fix one, zerg will be op, if they fix other, zerg will be weak.

GL blizzard, hopefully you can find solution with new unit/s in upcoming expo at least.

User was warned for this post
MC:" 2nd game i all in, he drone he drone, me win."
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
December 06 2010 13:07 GMT
#2842
On December 06 2010 21:57 Dagobert wrote:
Sad thing is that Jinro is most likely going to lose to MC tomorrow. Ah well, he had a good run.


That would be really sad considering they are not playing each other. Jinro's chances of winning the whole thing have improved dramatically with today's results.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
December 06 2010 13:07 GMT
#2843
On December 06 2010 22:05 Darhaja wrote:
Well i think this just showed why zerg doesn't 1 base..


FD won on Steppes onebasing/2hatching.
whatsgrackalackin420
Darhaja
Profile Joined September 2010
United States108 Posts
December 06 2010 13:09 GMT
#2844
On December 06 2010 22:07 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 22:05 Darhaja wrote:
Well i think this just showed why zerg doesn't 1 base..


FD won on Steppes onebasing/2hatching.


he won because hongun seriously did the worst followup to a cannon rush ever, if he would have just expanded and furthered his lead fruitdealer couldn't have came back. Simple as that
42bsk
Profile Joined November 2010
29 Posts
December 06 2010 13:09 GMT
#2845
On December 06 2010 21:37 kylekele wrote:
lololol

RETS QUOTE" so nice to see a creative player like FRUITDEALER"

Fruitdealer> creatives his way to 2-3 loss



User was banned for this post.


How is this worth a ban? It's obviously tongue-in-cheek, and god forbid we're actually allowed to make jokes around here. This is a case of someone taking him/herself way too seriously.
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
December 06 2010 13:10 GMT
#2846
On December 06 2010 22:07 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 22:05 Darhaja wrote:
Well i think this just showed why zerg doesn't 1 base..


FD won on Steppes onebasing/2hatching.


I think this just showed why zerg.. needs to scout?

Even if he sacrificed an overlord, would it not have been worth it, to know that DTS were incoming?
Darhaja
Profile Joined September 2010
United States108 Posts
December 06 2010 13:11 GMT
#2847
On December 06 2010 22:10 andrewwiggin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 22:07 kojinshugi wrote:
On December 06 2010 22:05 Darhaja wrote:
Well i think this just showed why zerg doesn't 1 base..


FD won on Steppes onebasing/2hatching.


I think this just showed why zerg.. needs to scout?

Even if he sacrificed an overlord, would it not have been worth it, to know that DTS were incoming?


Rofl he knew dt's were coming hence the zergling wall at his ramp. to bad 30 lings cant delay time for one spore to get up ahahah
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
December 06 2010 13:11 GMT
#2848
--- Nuked ---
Phats
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia534 Posts
December 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#2849
how come we didn't see FD drone block the pylons in those games?
Im pretty sad that both my favourite zergs lost. Would of been a great ZvZ semi final with both the current champions.

Seems like FD still thinks toss is too strong in the later game. He went for quick games all the time similarly to in season 1 vs INCA.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
December 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#2850
I think Nestea and FD are way to overrated now. First of all they are zergs (no wonder why so much hype) and at that level where they play, zerg is the most favoured race. They lost because they didn't adapt to the game. Don't blame all ins, blame them because of not knowing how to deal with them. It seems that you want every race just to do FE against FE zerg and play macro game, sorry, won't happen.

I'm a Terran player, but I think oGsMC is the new power in GSL3. I don't think that Foxer will win, because it seems that Protoss are doing against Terran way too good.
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
December 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#2851
On December 06 2010 22:09 42bsk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 21:37 kylekele wrote:
lololol

RETS QUOTE" so nice to see a creative player like FRUITDEALER"

Fruitdealer> creatives his way to 2-3 loss



User was banned for this post.


How is this worth a ban? It's obviously tongue-in-cheek, and god forbid we're actually allowed to make jokes around here. This is a case of someone taking him/herself way too seriously.


/Agree. not worth a ban imo.

O.T. I'm sad to see the zergs go out, but it seems they are not adapting quick enough. Curious to see if a refreshed map pool will make a big impact!
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
December 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#2852
On December 06 2010 22:06 _vladimir_ wrote:
Ok this really looks unbalanced at the moment, as even Ret said, zerg lack of early scouting means they can easily get killed by one of cheese, while on the other hand they have really big advantage now with mass eco in late game, so actualy people are force to cheese them, and i dont know how will blizz in future manage to fix both problems at once, and that is needed, because if they fix one, zerg will be op, if they fix other, zerg will be weak.

GL blizzard, hopefully you can find solution with new unit/s in upcoming expo at least.


Or maybe hungun recognized the fact that fruitdealer was making a late lair in every game and thought that he could win if he went DT's. Lair also provides zerg their best scouting options.

As far as fixing macro, expanding is all about maintaining map control. This is why i think air units are going to become increasing more valuable. I don't think that zvp will be zerg favored in the late game at all after the patch because of phoenix. Terran and protoss just need to be more greedy about taking bases. (i'm a protoss)
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nehl
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany270 Posts
December 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#2853
what?!?!
nestea and fruitdealer out??
wtf??
never saw that coming!
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
December 06 2010 13:12 GMT
#2854
On December 06 2010 22:11 Darhaja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 22:10 andrewwiggin wrote:
On December 06 2010 22:07 kojinshugi wrote:
On December 06 2010 22:05 Darhaja wrote:
Well i think this just showed why zerg doesn't 1 base..


FD won on Steppes onebasing/2hatching.


I think this just showed why zerg.. needs to scout?

Even if he sacrificed an overlord, would it not have been worth it, to know that DTS were incoming?


Rofl he knew dt's were coming hence the zergling wall at his ramp. to bad 30 lings cant delay time for one spore to get up ahahah


.... Are you serious?

He knew dts were coming...when dts were finally out. That's not scouting. That's flying blind.

FD deserved to lose. Simple and plain as that.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
December 06 2010 13:13 GMT
#2855
While HongUn definitely seems a much better overall player than Rain, he'll probably need to adjust his play a fair bit if he wants to take the semi. Rain is almost certain to all-in every game, and HongUn's preferred fast expand style probably won't hold up too well against that.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
December 06 2010 13:13 GMT
#2856
On December 06 2010 22:06 _vladimir_ wrote:
Ok this really looks unbalanced at the moment, as even Ret said, zerg lack of early scouting means they can easily get killed by one of cheese


How does Z lack early scouting? A sacced ovie is 1 larva 100 min. A drone clicked on a min patch running through the blocking zlot is 1 larva 50 min. Scouting the front or gas stealing narrows down possible tech routes.

It's not like toss and terran can march workers into the Z main at the 5 minute mark, observers and hallucinate and scans have costs or opportunity costs, is cutting one drone and 100 minerals really such a terrible price that it made sense for FD to not even bother with it once he couldn't see what was going on from the front?
whatsgrackalackin420
Darhaja
Profile Joined September 2010
United States108 Posts
December 06 2010 13:14 GMT
#2857
Zerg have the worst end of the stick at everything, getting detection is harder to get than every other race, your useless w/o 2 base, u can only push with a 100 food+ army. Also have the worst/lates AA in the game compared to the other 2. Geez and now they take away the miracle fungal from air, good bye cost for cost air exchanges.
ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
December 06 2010 13:14 GMT
#2858
Zergs don't necessarily need to one base ... they just need to delay the 2nd hatchery and get stuff like zerglings and speed before the hatchery. I pretty much liked the way July played. Fruitdealer was probably trying new stuff out and using them here to throw HongUn off ( they seem to be friends and played a lot ). And note HongUn did win scrap station and lost temple barely. Rain however hasn't really shown any Macro game. He knocked out Genius with a well timed rush attack. Given he's not as blatant an all inner as BitByBitPrime .. he still tends to like the early wins with aggressive pushes. I'd take Jinro's play over his any time.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
NotSoSerious
Profile Joined August 2010
151 Posts
December 06 2010 13:14 GMT
#2859
On December 06 2010 21:35 Silvanel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 21:32 Grummler wrote:
Why is terran all in stupid but protoss cheese brilliant?

User was warned for this post



I was asking the same thing but answer is very simple if u think about it. One is T the other is P, thats all there is to it. I do not want to offend anyone, but i have this feeling that when u are T u just get much less credit for a win.

Well let's see:Terran-baracks+scv's
Protoss-gateway,CB,council,DS (which takes a long fucking time).
Very dissapointing day it was,not a single great match,and those 2 all ins by the terran were just disgusting,i understand the ,,you go 2 base,that's your risk'' but god damn.
I'm not a fan of team liquid or other teams,but i really do hope that Jinro wins the whole thing,such a solid and macro gamer orientated
Really?
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 13:19:03
December 06 2010 13:15 GMT
#2860
I think Nestea and FD are way to overrated now. First of all they are zergs (no wonder why so much hype) and at that level where they play, zerg is the most favoured race. They lost because they didn't adapt to the game. Don't blame all ins, blame them because of not knowing how to deal with them. It seems that you want every race just to do FE against FE zerg and play macro game, sorry, won't happen.

I'm a Terran player, but I think oGsMC is the new power in GSL3. I don't think that Foxer will win, because seeing MC and HongUn games, I don't think that at that level better Terran (the gap isn't tremendous) could win against Protoss in an absolutely balanced map (ofc, there isn't such a map, for now). I'm not saying MK is better, because I more likely to think that oGsMC is better. The games will show.
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