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insta storm and colossus are out, terrans gonna have to tech switch or pull out a miracle
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mana playing really impressive, he has improved alot for this tournament
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On November 27 2010 22:13 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 22:12 veraliar wrote:On November 27 2010 22:06 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:01 Lylat wrote:On November 27 2010 21:59 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 21:54 Lylat wrote:
In the last game that wasn't an all in at all he brought like 10 scvs or something, this is part of the game, deal with it. 1 base, pulling like 10 SCV's vs a FE. If that isn't an all-in, I don't know what is. The fact that it was a good and successful all-in does not change that fact. Maybe you didn't see it but Naama had an expansion.. People blaming Naama for all ing are pathetic, the majority of the haters would never ever beat TOP even with SCV allins so give Naama some credit An expo that started way after TOP's was already up and running. Combine that with the fact that he pulled quite a lot of SCV's and you have an all-in. Once again, it was a good and successful all-in that was extremely likely to work with good execution, but if it had been defended he would've been in a 100% losing situation. I'm not ''blaming'' him, I'm pointing out a fact. Simply saying something doesn't actually make it true and calling it a "fact" after wards doesn't somehow re-solidify an already moot opinion. If that attack had not done massive damage, do you really think he could've still won that game?
Whatever I hypothesize or whatever you hypothesize is kind of irrelevant to my point..
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On November 27 2010 22:13 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:08 ZekZ wrote:On November 27 2010 22:07 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:03 Mortician wrote:On November 27 2010 21:56 resilve wrote:On November 27 2010 21:52 Holgerius wrote:
Do not like all-ins, but I must say it's epic to see a european knocking out a korean. ^__^ I agree  I dont think naama is anything like europe's best terran - but its a really sweet boost for him and the community. Not just the european community - the whole western one. Tyler taking a PvP game off InCa and a euro taking out TOP must really help foreign gamers in their confidence that koreans are not demi-gods who you shouldnt even consider being able to beat. Even in BW it was proven that Koreans can be beaten. It is just that some people are blind to true skill and talent and when they see some Korean they immediately assume he is better than all the foreigners Say, when was the last time a foreigner won a BoX vs a progamer in BW? i believe idra vs gorush in qualifiers 1. Idra was a progamer himself. 2. Gorush is like #78 in ELO. Hardly counts. 1. But a foreigner 2. There are like 200 progamers, #78 is in the top half and as you said "a progamer", it really should count.
Fine, but that is what it takes; a foreigner who's lived in Korea and played as a progamer for like 2 years vs a mediocre progamer. Other than that, foreigners literally cannot beat a korean progamer in a BoX.  In BW.
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So nice to see some storms.We almost never get to see any in GSL
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On November 27 2010 22:15 veraliar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 22:13 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:12 veraliar wrote:On November 27 2010 22:06 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:01 Lylat wrote:On November 27 2010 21:59 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 21:54 Lylat wrote:
In the last game that wasn't an all in at all he brought like 10 scvs or something, this is part of the game, deal with it. 1 base, pulling like 10 SCV's vs a FE. If that isn't an all-in, I don't know what is. The fact that it was a good and successful all-in does not change that fact. Maybe you didn't see it but Naama had an expansion.. People blaming Naama for all ing are pathetic, the majority of the haters would never ever beat TOP even with SCV allins so give Naama some credit An expo that started way after TOP's was already up and running. Combine that with the fact that he pulled quite a lot of SCV's and you have an all-in. Once again, it was a good and successful all-in that was extremely likely to work with good execution, but if it had been defended he would've been in a 100% losing situation. I'm not ''blaming'' him, I'm pointing out a fact. Simply saying something doesn't actually make it true and calling it a "fact" after wards doesn't somehow re-solidify an already moot opinion. If that attack had not done massive damage, do you really think he could've still won that game? Whatever I hypothesize or whatever you hypothesize is kind of irrelevant to my point..
So you just wanted to get into a philosophical discusison about the word ''fact''?
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*cough* nice multitasking fenix
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Once Protoss gets storms out, it gets rough for the Terran. Fenix is fighting back though.
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MaNa is like the only toss to use HTs in this tournament. Very well placed storms so far
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W T F a Protoss winning against T. Gogo repeat it please!
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LOL Fenix doesn't even notice that his PF is under attack while Mana defends perfectly against every drop....so outplayed...
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On November 27 2010 22:13 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:08 ZekZ wrote:On November 27 2010 22:07 Holgerius wrote:On November 27 2010 22:03 Mortician wrote:On November 27 2010 21:56 resilve wrote:On November 27 2010 21:52 Holgerius wrote:
Do not like all-ins, but I must say it's epic to see a european knocking out a korean. ^__^ I agree I dont think naama is anything like europe's best terran - but its a really sweet boost for him and the community. Not just the european community - the whole western one. Tyler taking a PvP game off InCa and a euro taking out TOP must really help foreign gamers in their confidence that koreans are not demi-gods who you shouldnt even consider being able to beat. Even in BW it was proven that Koreans can be beaten. It is just that some people are blind to true skill and talent and when they see some Korean they immediately assume he is better than all the foreigners Say, when was the last time a foreigner won a BoX vs a progamer in BW? i believe idra vs gorush in qualifiers 1. Idra was a progamer himself. 2. Gorush is like #78 in ELO. Hardly counts. 1. But a foreigner 2. There are like 200 progamers, #78 is in the top half and as you said "a progamer", it really should count.
IdrA has been there for quite a long time, which meant his practice regime was pretty much the same as the B-teamers on CJ Entus.
If you tell me someone like Tyler winning a Bo3 against a korean progamer, then i have nothing to say.
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Mana playing sooo brilliant
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Really nice game, Mana is so solid
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Mana > Tyler....
But seriously Mana is in top2 P in EU. (either him or socke is no.1)
Mana is a beast with storms
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finals mana vs naama, t-t-t-tongbreaker!
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OMG AMAZING GAME, i hope Mana goes to and epic final :D
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EPT
