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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 27 2010 13:10 GMT
#1181
Hope to see MaNa vs Naama, just for the sake of PvT. I like Fenix, but go MaNa
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Talho
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium592 Posts
November 27 2010 13:10 GMT
#1182
hmmm i like mana, decent game so far
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
November 27 2010 13:10 GMT
#1183
you would think Top getting top 4 would show how much better koreans are compared to the rest of the world
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 27 2010 13:10 GMT
#1184
On November 27 2010 22:08 ZekZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:07 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:03 Mortician wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:56 resilve wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:52 Holgerius wrote:
Do not like all-ins, but I must say it's epic to see a european knocking out a korean. ^__^


I agree

I dont think naama is anything like europe's best terran - but its a really sweet boost for him and the community. Not just the european community - the whole western one.

Tyler taking a PvP game off InCa and a euro taking out TOP must really help foreign gamers in their confidence that koreans are not demi-gods who you shouldnt even consider being able to beat.



Even in BW it was proven that Koreans can be beaten.

It is just that some people are blind to true skill and talent and when they see some Korean they immediately assume he is better than all the foreigners


Say, when was the last time a foreigner won a BoX vs a progamer in BW?


i believe idra vs gorush in qualifiers

1. Idra was a progamer himself.
2. Gorush is like #78 in ELO. Hardly counts.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 27 2010 13:11 GMT
#1185
Pylo is up =)
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Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
November 27 2010 13:11 GMT
#1186
On November 27 2010 22:10 b_unnies wrote:
you would think Top getting top 4 would show how much better koreans are compared to the rest of the world

.. What?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 27 2010 13:11 GMT
#1187
On November 27 2010 22:10 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Hope to see MaNa vs Naama, just for the sake of PvT. I like Fenix, but go MaNa

I agree. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
November 27 2010 13:11 GMT
#1188
Mana is playing really nicely. Fenix harass doesn't do that much damage.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
November 27 2010 13:11 GMT
#1189
On November 27 2010 22:09 schimmetje wrote:
Having oGs in there was awesome tbh, hope to see that more. I tire of seeing the SCVs come in too mind, but I thought the games were fun. Not the best ever, but exciting and good for the scene regardless. Now let's get a Toss winner!

(Sssh it could happen!)

Exactly, PEOPLE should be more happy that koreans are actually caring about the foreign scene and its tournaments. Is the reason OGS went because huk probably went?
yes but its still awesome and hopefully after their loss, they may even make an appearance in MLG or something and THAT, my friends would be fucking awesome to see a korean progamer in the US for something other than WCG or blizzcon
veraliar
Profile Joined November 2010
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 13:12:24
November 27 2010 13:12 GMT
#1190
On November 27 2010 22:06 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:01 Lylat wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:59 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:54 Lylat wrote:
In the last game that wasn't an all in at all he brought like 10 scvs or something, this is part of the game, deal with it.

1 base, pulling like 10 SCV's vs a FE. If that isn't an all-in, I don't know what is. The fact that it was a good and successful all-in does not change that fact.


Maybe you didn't see it but Naama had an expansion.. People blaming Naama for all ing are pathetic, the majority of the haters would never ever beat TOP even with SCV allins so give Naama some credit

An expo that started way after TOP's was already up and running. Combine that with the fact that he pulled quite a lot of SCV's and you have an all-in. Once again, it was a good and successful all-in that was extremely likely to work with good execution, but if it had been defended he would've been in a 100% losing situation. I'm not ''blaming'' him, I'm pointing out a fact.



Simply saying something doesn't actually make it true and calling it a "fact" afterwards doesn't somehow re-solidify an already moot opinion.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 27 2010 13:12 GMT
#1191
On November 27 2010 22:02 _vladimir_ wrote:
So because he beat a Korean player, who cant even qualify for GSL, he is doing well vs best players in the world?


You do realize that there is only 64 places in the GSL.
64 - Korea alone has hundreds if not close to thousands ex-bw/exWC3 pros & semipros & top amateurs

I refuse to think that oGs (just a team with effin NaDa) has anyone BUT top players on their roster.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
November 27 2010 13:13 GMT
#1192
On November 27 2010 22:11 InteGrated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:09 schimmetje wrote:
Having oGs in there was awesome tbh, hope to see that more. I tire of seeing the SCVs come in too mind, but I thought the games were fun. Not the best ever, but exciting and good for the scene regardless. Now let's get a Toss winner!

(Sssh it could happen!)

Exactly, PEOPLE should be more happy that koreans are actually caring about the foreign scene and its tournaments. Is the reason OGS went because huk probably went?
yes but its still awesome and hopefully after their loss, they may even make an appearance in MLG or something and THAT, my friends would be fucking awesome to see a korean progamer in the US for something other than WCG or blizzcon



umm, tbh i dont think they give the slightest shit about the development of the foreign scene... they were there for the 14k pricemoney, nothing else.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 27 2010 13:13 GMT
#1193
On November 27 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:08 ZekZ wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:07 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:03 Mortician wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:56 resilve wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:52 Holgerius wrote:
Do not like all-ins, but I must say it's epic to see a european knocking out a korean. ^__^


I agree

I dont think naama is anything like europe's best terran - but its a really sweet boost for him and the community. Not just the european community - the whole western one.

Tyler taking a PvP game off InCa and a euro taking out TOP must really help foreign gamers in their confidence that koreans are not demi-gods who you shouldnt even consider being able to beat.



Even in BW it was proven that Koreans can be beaten.

It is just that some people are blind to true skill and talent and when they see some Korean they immediately assume he is better than all the foreigners


Say, when was the last time a foreigner won a BoX vs a progamer in BW?


i believe idra vs gorush in qualifiers

1. Idra was a progamer himself.
2. Gorush is like #78 in ELO. Hardly counts.

1. But a foreigner
2. There are like 200 progamers, #78 is in the top half and as you said "a progamer", it really should count.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
November 27 2010 13:13 GMT
#1194
On November 27 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:08 ZekZ wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:07 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:03 Mortician wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:56 resilve wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:52 Holgerius wrote:
Do not like all-ins, but I must say it's epic to see a european knocking out a korean. ^__^


I agree

I dont think naama is anything like europe's best terran - but its a really sweet boost for him and the community. Not just the european community - the whole western one.

Tyler taking a PvP game off InCa and a euro taking out TOP must really help foreign gamers in their confidence that koreans are not demi-gods who you shouldnt even consider being able to beat.



Even in BW it was proven that Koreans can be beaten.

It is just that some people are blind to true skill and talent and when they see some Korean they immediately assume he is better than all the foreigners


Say, when was the last time a foreigner won a BoX vs a progamer in BW?


i believe idra vs gorush in qualifiers

1. Idra was a progamer himself.
2. Gorush is like #78 in ELO. Hardly counts.


i guess, i was just answering your questions

giyom patri ^^

anyways though mana seems like a rally under rated player, hes playing extremely well this tournament
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 27 2010 13:13 GMT
#1195
On November 27 2010 22:12 veraliar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:06 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:01 Lylat wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:59 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:54 Lylat wrote:
In the last game that wasn't an all in at all he brought like 10 scvs or something, this is part of the game, deal with it.

1 base, pulling like 10 SCV's vs a FE. If that isn't an all-in, I don't know what is. The fact that it was a good and successful all-in does not change that fact.


Maybe you didn't see it but Naama had an expansion.. People blaming Naama for all ing are pathetic, the majority of the haters would never ever beat TOP even with SCV allins so give Naama some credit

An expo that started way after TOP's was already up and running. Combine that with the fact that he pulled quite a lot of SCV's and you have an all-in. Once again, it was a good and successful all-in that was extremely likely to work with good execution, but if it had been defended he would've been in a 100% losing situation. I'm not ''blaming'' him, I'm pointing out a fact.



Simply saying something doesn't actually make it true and calling it a "fact" after wards doesn't somehow re-solidify an already moot opinion.

If that attack had not done massive damage, do you really think he could've still won that game?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 27 2010 13:13 GMT
#1196
On November 27 2010 22:11 InteGrated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:09 schimmetje wrote:
Having oGs in there was awesome tbh, hope to see that more. I tire of seeing the SCVs come in too mind, but I thought the games were fun. Not the best ever, but exciting and good for the scene regardless. Now let's get a Toss winner!

(Sssh it could happen!)

Exactly, PEOPLE should be more happy that koreans are actually caring about the foreign scene and its tournaments. Is the reason OGS went because huk probably went?
yes but its still awesome and hopefully after their loss, they may even make an appearance in MLG or something and THAT, my friends would be fucking awesome to see a korean progamer in the US for something other than WCG or blizzcon


It's probably because 1st place in DH = 2nd in GSL in prize money, also all those guys were out of GSL anyways.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
November 27 2010 13:14 GMT
#1197
MANA STORMS
(>*-*)><( *-* )><(*-*<) DoDTimber on Bnet
_vladimir_
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia530 Posts
November 27 2010 13:14 GMT
#1198
On November 27 2010 22:07 Madder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:05 _vladimir_ wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:01 Madder wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:00 _vladimir_ wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:58 Cri du Chat wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:53 Godstorm wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:51 SmoKim wrote:
shame that all the korean fanboi's are gonna cry endless rivers now T_T this was and awesome series and well deserved by Naama

because all-in proves how good a player is? Naama won it, i'm not denying that but that wasn't so impressive


Beating a korean pro is always imrepssive. I personally thought that all-inning would be a mistake, since the koreans play so agressive. They know a lot about all-ins :D.
The best koreans should be able to defend pretty well, but obviously i was wrong in this case.


God you are clueless, since when is Top "one of best Koreans" ... he even fails to qualify for two GSL in a row..for God sake...

TesteR failed to qualify for GSL two times in a row, I'm guessing he's a nothing then..


Not really, Tester got Code S allready in first GSL, and done great in pretty much all non GSL smaller korean tournaments, for which players like Top were not even invited.

Whatever the case, despite his loss to Naama (gj to him), a lot of us consider TOP a very.. top pro Korean SC2 player. If you really think he's not skilled at all, fair enough.


What, where did i say he is not skilled at all?Obviously he is skilled, but he is not TOP PRO.
And as someone said, he is the kind of player who is beatable, way more then Korean players who are curently taking spots in GSL top8 +
Yeah gz to Naama for beating him, even tho it was in fast games considering he wouldnt be able to beat him in long one, but still, we can see comments that EU > Korea now, and how Namaa can beat world best players, and that makes me enraged : /
Yes some of NA/Europe players are on pair with those type of Korean players who qualify for gsl or two, but allready far behind those who are actualy TOP players.
MC:" 2nd game i all in, he drone he drone, me win."
mpupu
Profile Joined June 2010
Argentina183 Posts
November 27 2010 13:14 GMT
#1199
On November 27 2010 22:06 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:01 Lylat wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:59 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 21:54 Lylat wrote:
In the last game that wasn't an all in at all he brought like 10 scvs or something, this is part of the game, deal with it.

1 base, pulling like 10 SCV's vs a FE. If that isn't an all-in, I don't know what is. The fact that it was a good and successful all-in does not change that fact.


Maybe you didn't see it but Naama had an expansion.. People blaming Naama for all ing are pathetic, the majority of the haters would never ever beat TOP even with SCV allins so give Naama some credit

An expo that started way after TOP's was already up and running. Combine that with the fact that he pulled quite a lot of SCV's and you have an all-in. Once again, it was a good and successful all-in that was extremely likely to work with good execution, but if it had been defended he would've been in a 100% losing situation. I'm not ''blaming'' him, I'm pointing out a fact.


So, attacking a reasonably new expo when you have better army while expanding behind the attack is now not a sound strategy but an "all-in"? And terran needs SCV to repair and tank damage.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 13:16:17
November 27 2010 13:14 GMT
#1200
On November 27 2010 22:12 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:02 _vladimir_ wrote:
So because he beat a Korean player, who cant even qualify for GSL, he is doing well vs best players in the world?


You do realize that there is only 64 places in the GSL.
64 - Korea alone has hundreds if not close to thousands ex-bw/exWC3 pros & semipros & top amateurs

I refuse to think that oGs (just a team with effin NaDa) has anyone BUT top players on their roster.

They do have some weaker players, but Top isn't one of them. Still, he isn't one of their best players or anything and he didn't play well in this tournamen. All teams have weaker players who were recruited for their potential, not their current skill.

Vladimir stop pretending to be some sort of authority on the subject. You are merely asserting on your not all that informed opinion, nothing more.
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