EPTPeople just hate to see their favorites lose, and get pissed and cry imba when they do.
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
People just hate to see their favorites lose, and get pissed and cry imba when they do. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
They either need to cost a small amount of gas or slightly more minerals, harassment should cost something if it fails, as it stands there is no punishment to terran for all of their harassment options, hellions are cheap, and banshees and medivacs can just bolster your army. | ||
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zomgad
185 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:24 Consolidate wrote: Hellions themselves don't deserve all the hate. It's just that notion that a protoss scouting a factory tech-lab can have no idea what is coming while unable to pressure the terran in return. its more like protoss players still didnt learn to stop harass properly they should learn from zergs | ||
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hallx
Pakistan163 Posts
On November 27 2010 19:44 MrCon wrote: Why not puting 1 or 2 canon per mineral line and be safe all game long. This. | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
Firstly, Tyler didn't properly wall off the back door entrance to his natural (pylon + stalker didn't fully wall off, but it showed that he was totally expecting it) Secondly, after the block failed, he simply panic'd just a tiny bit and right clicked a mineral patch with all of his probes and handed them to fenix. Hellions really aren't that big of a problem if tyler hadn't made the mistake. The cloaked banshee was trivial in that instance. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:22 G.s)NarutO wrote: You realize that in Broodwar 3 vultures for 225 with 3 mines... have even more damaging potential? and this is in what way related to people comparing reavers to hellions? | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:22 G.s)NarutO wrote: You realize that in Broodwar 3 vultures for 225 with 3 mines... have even more damaging potential? ... you have to take into account skilled/luck involved in controlling both of those units. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:26 zomgad wrote: its more like protoss players still didnt learn to stop harass properly they should learn from zergs By spreading creep! oh wait. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:12 PredY wrote: if this was a BW and it was reaver drop that killed 30 scvs people would be all over moon with 10 pages of "OOOOH" and said the player made great drop there and the other big mistake but these days its all balance when clearly it was a MISTAKE by nony god, dark times t-t I assume every P and Z would be completely happy if Hellions could only move while inside medivacs. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:02 Sfydjklm wrote: ... preventable=/= balanced. name me one equally easily made terran mistake that would equal in consequences. You misuse one scan vs DTs = you lose the game. You fuck up a wall in vs a 6pool = you lose the game you don't scout a couple of burrowed banelings = you lose 20 marines you mismicro vs high templar = you lose your army you siege/unsiege your tanks at a bad time = you lose all your tanks etc... etc... I honestly can't believe people are whining about imba hellions because of this one game. | ||
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Crashburn
United States476 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:25 Dingotrold wrote: Cloak costs the same as a Dark Shrine. Banshee might be more mobile, but the cloak isn't permanent either. People just hate to see their favorites lose, and get pissed and cry imba when they do. I think banshee vs. DT isn't the correct frame for the argument. It's that, unless the protoss chooses robo tech, he cannot do anything against a cloaked banshee. It's limiting for protoss and very predictable. Meanwhile, a protoss who techs DT must make four costly tech buildings down one tech path. Should he be lucky enough to see his dark shrine finish, he can send his DT's to his opponent's base. And, surprise, the terran can scan! Portable detection that doesn't pigeonhole him to a tech path. I'm not sure if this works, but allowing the observer to be made out of the nexus or gateway once any tier-2 tech structure is built (i.e. twilight council, stargate, robo facility) seems fair. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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KahunaNui
Spain257 Posts
The problem of PvT is that if scouting is denied, or not very fruitful, you have to asume Banshees and go Robo. Against Zerg it's not so dramatic since Overseers are compatible with all the three Lair choices and Queens don't soak up gas. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote: How is this a big issue? How often do we see 24 kill Hellions? people are pissed cause the games were damn lackluster. when you see allins,lcuk and bo wins all the time seeing on of your fav players lose to 2 hellions rages people up. and now its the hellions turn to be blamed | ||
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dampv
Sweden83 Posts
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OTIX
Sweden491 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:18 PredY wrote: clearly you don't understand me. ok then. how about a mine in the mineral line killing 30 probes? teh same thing. guess what. balance? well... yes if you put it like that? One of the questions i originally posed was where is an equivalent of this freerolling in other races. Also, take into account actions it takes to do that- get into the mineral line(which strikes me was much harder in SCBW), plant a mine, wait for your opponent to walk into it. Shuttle the reaver in. Drop a scarab. Hope the scarab goes off. 3 steps. 3 chances for opponent to avoid the mistake. hellions? 1) get into the mineral line. | ||
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