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theherder2
United States538 Posts
zerg: pool, warren, burrow, lair, tunneling claws toss: gateway, core, twilight, dark shrine (takes forever btw) terran: barracks + tech, factory, starport swap, done. keep in mind that terran can get a reactor on barracks and produce defending units just fine. all a toss's gas is going towards dts and ur basically left with mass zlots and some stalkers. | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:13 Erectum wrote: unfortunatly the quality of the stream is so bad  It looks fine to me. Even in fullscreen. Edit: On the first link, anyway. I didn't bother trying the second. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:12 PredY wrote: if this was a BW and it was reaver drop that killed 30 scvs people would be all over moon with 10 pages of "OOOOH" and said the player made great drop there and the other big mistake but these days its all balance when clearly it was a MISTAKE by nony god, dark times t-t maybe because reavers are slow as hell and very expensive, plus they need a shuttle and good amount of micro. its awful to watch hellions no matter what, reavers did wow moments because they were fucking difficult too pull off. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:16 TheMenace wrote: could anyone give me an update of the results or a link with the bracket? Check the very first line in the OP | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:16 bokeevboke wrote: maybe because reavers are slow as hell and very expensive, plus they need a shuttle and good amount of micro. its awful to watch hellions no matter what, reavers did wow moments because they were fucking difficult too pull off. clearly you don't understand me. ok then. how about a mine in the mineral line killing 30 probes? teh same thing. guess what. balance? | ||
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iloevrsg
128 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + because he didn't meet a terran | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:13 LittleeD wrote: Balanced or not. Im still sticking to my moto Everything is possible with enough practise, determination and motivation. And thats the only thing a player should focus on. oh, so you are the guy that brings a knife to a gunfight everyone is talking about. I don't know if hellions are balanced but.. I know that moving the probes at the natural and just accepting that he might loose 3 or 4 is far better than clumping them up and run them away when you have a stalker 2 feet from the probes about to finish off the hellions. As long as there's a fighting unit with high priority targeting in the back of the mineral line hellions need to be microed to target probes while he was messing around with that banshee. | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:16 bokeevboke wrote: maybe because reavers are slow as hell and very expensive, plus they need a shuttle and good amount of micro. its awful to watch hellions no matter what, reavers did wow moments because they were fucking difficult too pull off. exactly. i dont agree on the balance talk and it was teelers mistake. but that people compare hellions to units that are WAY WAY more expensive, work in totally different ways and require tons more control is nonsense. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10307 Posts
Dreamhack = Hellion hate wonders whats is gonna be the next "amagad imba" | ||
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Yusername
Sweden252 Posts
IdrA Dimaga BO3 from the start | ||
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Crashburn
United States476 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:19 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: exactly. i dont agree on the balance talk and it was teelers mistake. but that people compare hellions to units that are WAY WAY more expensive, work in totally different ways and require tons more control is nonsense. You realize that in Broodwar 3 vultures for 225 with 3 mines... have even more damaging potential? | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:12 PredY wrote: if this was a BW and it was reaver drop that killed 30 scvs people would be all over moon with 10 pages of "OOOOH" and said the player made great drop there and the other big mistake but these days its all balance when clearly it was a MISTAKE by nony god, dark times t-t Problem is that it is far too easy to force that kind of mistake (and from a player known for his multitasking and awareness). If Tyler didn't have to juggle all his units, probes and production back and forth at the same time to deal with 1 Banshee and 2 Hellions and he made that kind of mistake then it would be a "big mistake". Anyway, it isn't so much of a balance issue. Other races are fine, and Protoss units are fine individually, but the race design and dynamics from the ground up is just bad and limiting. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:18 PredY wrote: clearly you don't understand me. ok then. how about a mine in the mineral line killing 30 probes? teh same thing. guess what. balance? thats a different story: lets compare harass un TvP. BW: vulture=reaver. equal harass options. SC2: hellion/banshee=? dont tell me dt/ht, its not even imaginable to even get them. | ||
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zomgad
185 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:16 theherder2 wrote: lol. but look at the tech tree for cloaked attacking units: zerg: pool, warren, burrow, lair, tunneling claws toss: gateway, core, twilight, dark shrine (takes forever btw) terran: barracks + tech, factory, starport swap, done. keep in mind that terran can get a reactor on barracks and produce defending units just fine. all a toss's gas is going towards dts and ur basically left with mass zlots and some stalkers. u forget about 200/200 cloak upgrade | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
I wonder why? | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:09 Malinor wrote: You can easily lose 30 scvs really fast when you clump them under storms or colossus fire. Of course these are higher tech units than Helions, but still. And beside that, maybe you should focus on the fact that these Helions got several shots of, that Tyler decided to attack them with all his probes back in his mineral line, instead of continuing to move them away and split them. That he had only left 1 stalker behind his none-pylon-wall on the side and none at his expo. That he A-moved a 50supply army to kill one Banshee. Tyler made a series of mistakes that lead to this disaster. He can blame noone here but himself, and it surely has not anything to do with imbalance. storms or collosus are like storms and reavers pretty much. Hellions are vultures with ability to two shot millions of scvs. They did get several shots off and in my opinion that highlights the root of the problem- the fact that nomatter what position theyre in they can at any second two shot your whole probe line if the (stars) workers align right, making it, while partially a move of skill, mostly a move of luck. | ||
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