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xberges
Profile Joined August 2010
Dominican Republic56 Posts
November 27 2010 11:46 GMT
#801
guys do you know if the replays are posted anywhere?
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
November 27 2010 11:46 GMT
#802
On November 27 2010 20:38 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:35 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:31 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:18 PredY wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:16 bokeevboke wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:12 PredY wrote:
if this was a BW and it was reaver drop that killed 30 scvs people would be all over moon with 10 pages of "OOOOH" and said the player made great drop there and the other big mistake but these days its all balance when clearly it was a MISTAKE by nony

god, dark times t-t


maybe because reavers are slow as hell and very expensive, plus they need a shuttle and good amount of micro. its awful to watch hellions no matter what, reavers did wow moments because they were fucking difficult too pull off.

clearly you don't understand me. ok then. how about a mine in the mineral line killing 30 probes? teh same thing. guess what. balance?

well... yes if you put it like that? One of the questions i originally posed was where is an equivalent of this freerolling in other races.
Also, take into account actions it takes to do that- get into the mineral line(which strikes me was much harder in SCBW), plant a mine, wait for your opponent to walk into it. Shuttle the reaver in. Drop a scarab. Hope the scarab goes off.
3 steps. 3 chances for opponent to avoid the mistake.
hellions?
1) get into the mineral line.

Because that's all he did, eh? A-moved hellions into a mineral line? It wasn't a two-fronted harassment that caused Nony to make a huge blunder and unneccesarily stack up all his probes, was it?

If this type of thing happens each and every game I could understand the whining, but seriously; how often do we see 24 kill Hellions? -__-

it's irrelevant, it takes equal amount of effort for any race to get into the mineral line. It's the actions that follow that are of an importance.
My whining is exactly because it doesn't happen every game. This is an action that is mostly based on luck.


You're whining because somebody got lucky? Yeah, that's outrageous in sports.
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
November 27 2010 11:46 GMT
#803
Hi.

I just wanted to say that hellions are not imbalanced.

And also, is bo1 in a group stage that repulsive? Would it be better with a bo3 single elim all the way? I don't think i've seen people complaining about this format in OSL/MSL ever.
A timing is a build done by a player you like. An allin is a build done by one you dont. -sOda~
ProxyPL
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland230 Posts
November 27 2010 11:47 GMT
#804
no but i'd love to get them!
Proxy is like fire. Fire never dies alone!
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 27 2010 11:47 GMT
#805
On November 27 2010 20:38 PredY wrote:
if you ask me, i'd have vultures with mines over hellions ANY day. i'll tell you a little story, i've been playing with some protosses recently practise games (adel, runa, bischu etc) and i used to rape them everytime i did hellion drops and hellion runbys, but they actually started to learn and started to make pylon walls and building blocks and i couldnt do anything and then hellions are fucking useless. give me vultures and mines

i'm not gonna argue with that, it sorta is my point, hellions need more applications of skill rather then luck based factors. they need to be adjusted in a way where fenix vs nony happens less often but they dont lose their application once you get repelled.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 27 2010 11:48 GMT
#806
On November 27 2010 20:37 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Holgerius, PredY - give it up. Non - Broodwar players won't understand. Or at least that Sfydjklm was a troll in Broodwar already. Everything thats strong when executed properly is imbalanced.


Edit: As a Terran: Learn to split your probes, because when I complain about how hard it is to split marines against banelings you call me a faggot. -__-

woman, please, dont, you're like only second to avilo as far as terran whining goes even during 1.0.
your entire arguement consists of l2p and youre a troll.
puh lese.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Olmer
Profile Joined March 2006
Poland320 Posts
November 27 2010 11:48 GMT
#807
On November 27 2010 20:26 zomgad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:24 Consolidate wrote:
Hellions themselves don't deserve all the hate. It's just that notion that a protoss scouting a factory tech-lab can have no idea what is coming while unable to pressure the terran in return.

its more like protoss players still didnt learn to stop harass properly they should learn from zergs


Except that zergs didn't "learn" it. They had it PATCHED.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
November 27 2010 11:49 GMT
#808
the hellion imba-whine wouldn't be so stupid if it wasn't the fact that it (as always) comes directly after a top favorite player(who doesn't like NonY?), now its just comes of as and excuse -__-

oh well atleast we went 3 days before the balance discussion started, thats gonna be a record

back on topic: so far oGsTOP and Fenix looks like strong contesters for the finals, unless we see another huge upset, but i doubt it
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 27 2010 11:49 GMT
#809
On November 27 2010 20:46 Dingotrold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:38 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:35 Holgerius wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:31 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:18 PredY wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:16 bokeevboke wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:12 PredY wrote:
if this was a BW and it was reaver drop that killed 30 scvs people would be all over moon with 10 pages of "OOOOH" and said the player made great drop there and the other big mistake but these days its all balance when clearly it was a MISTAKE by nony

god, dark times t-t


maybe because reavers are slow as hell and very expensive, plus they need a shuttle and good amount of micro. its awful to watch hellions no matter what, reavers did wow moments because they were fucking difficult too pull off.

clearly you don't understand me. ok then. how about a mine in the mineral line killing 30 probes? teh same thing. guess what. balance?

well... yes if you put it like that? One of the questions i originally posed was where is an equivalent of this freerolling in other races.
Also, take into account actions it takes to do that- get into the mineral line(which strikes me was much harder in SCBW), plant a mine, wait for your opponent to walk into it. Shuttle the reaver in. Drop a scarab. Hope the scarab goes off.
3 steps. 3 chances for opponent to avoid the mistake.
hellions?
1) get into the mineral line.

Because that's all he did, eh? A-moved hellions into a mineral line? It wasn't a two-fronted harassment that caused Nony to make a huge blunder and unneccesarily stack up all his probes, was it?

If this type of thing happens each and every game I could understand the whining, but seriously; how often do we see 24 kill Hellions? -__-

it's irrelevant, it takes equal amount of effort for any race to get into the mineral line. It's the actions that follow that are of an importance.
My whining is exactly because it doesn't happen every game. This is an action that is mostly based on luck.


You're whining because somebody got lucky? Yeah, that's outrageous in sports.

im sorry for having the desire to watch beautiful games.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 27 2010 11:50 GMT
#810
On November 27 2010 20:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:37 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Holgerius, PredY - give it up. Non - Broodwar players won't understand. Or at least that Sfydjklm was a troll in Broodwar already. Everything thats strong when executed properly is imbalanced.


Edit: As a Terran: Learn to split your probes, because when I complain about how hard it is to split marines against banelings you call me a faggot. -__-

woman, please, dont, you're like only second to avilo as far as terran whining goes even during 1.0.
your entire arguement consists of l2p and youre a troll.
puh lese.


I'm a troll? Seriously I've played Protoss and I can split against blue flame hellions. My point is not learn to play - but you are basing a balance discussion on

a) a huge mistake of a player
b) a bit of luck

You want to discuss? Bring arguments!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
gakkgakk
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Norway902 Posts
November 27 2010 11:51 GMT
#811
On November 27 2010 20:50 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:37 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Holgerius, PredY - give it up. Non - Broodwar players won't understand. Or at least that Sfydjklm was a troll in Broodwar already. Everything thats strong when executed properly is imbalanced.


Edit: As a Terran: Learn to split your probes, because when I complain about how hard it is to split marines against banelings you call me a faggot. -__-

woman, please, dont, you're like only second to avilo as far as terran whining goes even during 1.0.
your entire arguement consists of l2p and youre a troll.
puh lese.


I'm a troll? Seriously I've played Protoss and I can split against blue flame hellions. My point is not learn to play - but you are basing a balance discussion on

a) a huge mistake of a player
b) a bit of luck

You want to discuss? Bring arguments!


Hmmm Nony lost. So thats clearly imbalance. If one of the best foreign protosses can't defend against it, then doesnt it point towards imbalance?
A timing is a build done by a player you like. An allin is a build done by one you dont. -sOda~
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10307 Posts
November 27 2010 11:52 GMT
#812
On November 27 2010 20:51 gakkgakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:50 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:37 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Holgerius, PredY - give it up. Non - Broodwar players won't understand. Or at least that Sfydjklm was a troll in Broodwar already. Everything thats strong when executed properly is imbalanced.


Edit: As a Terran: Learn to split your probes, because when I complain about how hard it is to split marines against banelings you call me a faggot. -__-

woman, please, dont, you're like only second to avilo as far as terran whining goes even during 1.0.
your entire arguement consists of l2p and youre a troll.
puh lese.


I'm a troll? Seriously I've played Protoss and I can split against blue flame hellions. My point is not learn to play - but you are basing a balance discussion on

a) a huge mistake of a player
b) a bit of luck

You want to discuss? Bring arguments!


Hmmm Nony lost. So thats clearly imbalance. If one of the best foreign protosses can't defend against it, then doesnt it point towards imbalance?


please for the love of god tell me that was sarcasm?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
zomgad
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 11:55:50
November 27 2010 11:54 GMT
#813
On November 27 2010 20:51 gakkgakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:50 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:37 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Holgerius, PredY - give it up. Non - Broodwar players won't understand. Or at least that Sfydjklm was a troll in Broodwar already. Everything thats strong when executed properly is imbalanced.


Edit: As a Terran: Learn to split your probes, because when I complain about how hard it is to split marines against banelings you call me a faggot. -__-

woman, please, dont, you're like only second to avilo as far as terran whining goes even during 1.0.
your entire arguement consists of l2p and youre a troll.
puh lese.


I'm a troll? Seriously I've played Protoss and I can split against blue flame hellions. My point is not learn to play - but you are basing a balance discussion on

a) a huge mistake of a player
b) a bit of luck

You want to discuss? Bring arguments!


Hmmm Nony lost. So thats clearly imbalance. If one of the best foreign protosses can't defend against it, then doesnt it point towards imbalance?



are u implaying that 1 banshee and 2 hellions is unstoppable ? nony screw up badly like gold level player theres no excuse you cant blame it on balance
Sfydjklm has some serious issues cant belive people actualy bother to answer to this troll.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
November 27 2010 11:54 GMT
#814
On November 27 2010 20:52 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 20:51 gakkgakk wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:50 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 27 2010 20:37 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Holgerius, PredY - give it up. Non - Broodwar players won't understand. Or at least that Sfydjklm was a troll in Broodwar already. Everything thats strong when executed properly is imbalanced.


Edit: As a Terran: Learn to split your probes, because when I complain about how hard it is to split marines against banelings you call me a faggot. -__-

woman, please, dont, you're like only second to avilo as far as terran whining goes even during 1.0.
your entire arguement consists of l2p and youre a troll.
puh lese.


I'm a troll? Seriously I've played Protoss and I can split against blue flame hellions. My point is not learn to play - but you are basing a balance discussion on

a) a huge mistake of a player
b) a bit of luck

You want to discuss? Bring arguments!


Hmmm Nony lost. So thats clearly imbalance. If one of the best foreign protosses can't defend against it, then doesnt it point towards imbalance?


please for the love of god tell me that was sarcasm?


was about to write the same thing.

it tells alot about the state of these threads that we really cant tell anymore
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hallx
Profile Joined November 2010
Pakistan163 Posts
November 27 2010 11:54 GMT
#815
On November 27 2010 20:16 theherder2 wrote:
lol. but look at the tech tree for cloaked attacking units:

zerg: pool, warren, burrow, lair, tunneling claws

toss: gateway, core, twilight, dark shrine (takes forever btw)

terran: barracks + tech, factory, starport swap, done.

keep in mind that terran can get a reactor on barracks and produce defending units just fine. all a toss's gas is going towards dts and ur basically left with mass zlots and some stalkers.



Obvious biased techtree is biased!
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
November 27 2010 11:54 GMT
#816
Does anyone know when the next games start?
$♥$
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 27 2010 11:54 GMT
#817
Nony is pretty overrated first of all. And secondly, just because something wins games doesn't make it imbalanced.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
TheYLee
Profile Joined November 2010
1 Post
November 27 2010 11:55 GMT
#818
Can anyone tell me roughly how many hours/minutes before the next round of games commence?
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 11:56:56
November 27 2010 11:56 GMT
#819
Wait, what was this thread about?

EDIT: Day9tv says that semis start at 13. that means 4 minutes
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
November 27 2010 11:56 GMT
#820
What happend to Socke going 0:2 PvP after winning 2:1 in the same match up against HuK?
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