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monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
October 09 2010 04:57 GMT
#2321
i think Fenix will upset HuK in finals.
@ggmonx
GenocideRun
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 09 2010 05:14 GMT
#2322
So that means huk is 6-2? Awesome, means i get to see him play on sunday when i go down!
Genocide.run, Dota2 player and sc2 fan!
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 05:16:58
October 09 2010 05:16 GMT
#2323
On October 09 2010 08:58 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 08:41 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 09 2010 08:34 fantomex wrote:
The reason there are no Zerg is because the qualifiers were pre-patch and Idra was a no-show.

GSL would have looked a lot different if 1.1 hadn't dropped in the middle of it.

It had nothing to do with the patch. It just happened that no Zerg players qualified.

well thats misleading
someone like machine obviously deserves to be there than some of these guys, and the reason no zergs are there is because of balance. it only had nothing to do with the patch because the patch didnt fix anything.


It's sad that so many people just joined TL. IDRA COMPLEMENTED MACHINE. This is a historic fucking event right here.
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
October 09 2010 05:26 GMT
#2324
On October 09 2010 10:51 EntropyFails wrote:
One thing I agree with Idra on is that just winning a knockout tourney doesn't make you "the best". Really the tourney should be a round robin of 1v1 matches in a best out of 41 (ie 21 wins to victory) format. That way we could be certain (95% confident) that we actually have selected the best player. Given the way that GSL style tourneys are held, we can only be 50 to 60% certain that we have the best player winning. It's basically a coin flip.

We lose most of the information in the qualifying system. We then still lose another 25% or so of the information in the Ro32 and Ro64. For Example, if Idra wins 70% of the time vs Lotze ( dunno their true ratio, just a hypothetical) , he still doesn't make it out of the Ro32 9% of the time (just his bad luck this time). The ESL format is much better for determining true skill.

But Round Robins take sooo long that you have to limit the number of players. The theoretical ideal would be a tournament of the suspected top 100 players that would have 4,950 matches of best of 21 in them in round robin format. That would mean each player would have to play about 750 hours of SC2 in the tourney. (assuming a 1/2 hour game and most matches going to around 30 maps). If you did that over the course of four months, you'd each have to play about 45 hours per week for your tourney matches.

Or the top 50 could do it in less time. Regardless, without putting that much rigor into the tournament system, we will just have to rely on sound judgement sprinkled with intuition to determine "the best" along with some occasional show tourneys to get people pumped and bring in that ad cash.

Imagine during the naughties Tennis tournaments were non-tournaments... Federer would win most if not all the tournament he enters. As much as we want the best player to win, we also want to build suspense, knowing the person could lose and be out of the tournament at any time. Sadly this 'suspense' sells. Of course world cup system has group tournanments first before the 32 tournament format. I highly recommend this system over anything.
Hi!
Drathmar
Profile Joined September 2010
United States160 Posts
October 09 2010 05:42 GMT
#2325
On October 09 2010 13:53 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 13:37 Drathmar wrote:
On October 09 2010 11:29 heyoka wrote:
hey all this is huk not on huks name but i read most the stuff posted here and i will try bring you better games tomorrow ! <3 ty all that supported me/cheered


You were awesome! You are definitely my favorite Toss.

What happened to the match with murder? did you guys play? or is it tomorrow?

You are hte best either way! Can't wait to see you kicking ass in the finals and taking it! Compelte confidence in you.

HuK FIGHTING!

on another note:

On October 09 2010 09:23 IdrA wrote:
On October 09 2010 09:00 _Darwin_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 08:58 IdrA wrote:
On October 09 2010 08:41 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 09 2010 08:34 fantomex wrote:
The reason there are no Zerg is because the qualifiers were pre-patch and Idra was a no-show.

GSL would have looked a lot different if 1.1 hadn't dropped in the middle of it.

It had nothing to do with the patch. It just happened that no Zerg players qualified.

well thats misleading
someone like machine obviously deserves to be there than some of these guys, and the reason no zergs are there is because of balance. it only had nothing to do with the patch because the patch didnt fix anything.


did u hear that cool won the GSL?


did u?

did you watch his opponents play?
did u?


Idra mad that Cool is a better zerg than him? It's ok man, we still love you but man you complain.


Yes they played and Huk beat him 2-1 sadly .


Nice, wasn't updated on the front page is why I asked. 3-0 in his group for huk!
"you're just neural parasited by a retarded infestor" - day[9]
Strategos
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada132 Posts
October 09 2010 05:53 GMT
#2326
daaamn fenix is a beast.
"Good news MLG fans, WE HAVE CHAIRS THIS YEAR!"
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 06:20:15
October 09 2010 06:19 GMT
#2327
On October 09 2010 14:26 ooni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 10:51 EntropyFails wrote:
One thing I agree with Idra on is that just winning a knockout tourney doesn't make you "the best". Really the tourney should be a round robin of 1v1 matches in a best out of 41 (ie 21 wins to victory) format. That way we could be certain (95% confident) that we actually have selected the best player. Given the way that GSL style tourneys are held, we can only be 50 to 60% certain that we have the best player winning. It's basically a coin flip.

We lose most of the information in the qualifying system. We then still lose another 25% or so of the information in the Ro32 and Ro64. For Example, if Idra wins 70% of the time vs Lotze ( dunno their true ratio, just a hypothetical) , he still doesn't make it out of the Ro32 9% of the time (just his bad luck this time). The ESL format is much better for determining true skill.

But Round Robins take sooo long that you have to limit the number of players. The theoretical ideal would be a tournament of the suspected top 100 players that would have 4,950 matches of best of 21 in them in round robin format. That would mean each player would have to play about 750 hours of SC2 in the tourney. (assuming a 1/2 hour game and most matches going to around 30 maps). If you did that over the course of four months, you'd each have to play about 45 hours per week for your tourney matches.

Or the top 50 could do it in less time. Regardless, without putting that much rigor into the tournament system, we will just have to rely on sound judgement sprinkled with intuition to determine "the best" along with some occasional show tourneys to get people pumped and bring in that ad cash.

Imagine during the naughties Tennis tournaments were non-tournaments... Federer would win most if not all the tournament he enters. As much as we want the best player to win, we also want to build suspense, knowing the person could lose and be out of the tournament at any time. Sadly this 'suspense' sells. Of course world cup system has group tournanments first before the 32 tournament format. I highly recommend this system over anything.


Even given the knockout status of tennis Federer & Nadal still won almost everything in the last 8 years, but you can't really compare apples and oranges; in tennis a player that's clearly better will win 95% of the time, whereas in something like baseball a dominant team only wins around 60% of the time. Starcraft is somewhere between the two I think. The best way to do it IMO is group stage and then knockout for quarterfinals onwards, with double elim also a good option.
FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
October 09 2010 06:39 GMT
#2328
no Zerg? I thought Idra was playing?
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
October 09 2010 06:57 GMT
#2329
On October 09 2010 15:39 FuryX wrote:
no Zerg? I thought Idra was playing?


no he dropped out cause he is still in Korea
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Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
October 09 2010 08:26 GMT
#2330
will there be vods of this release?
Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. - Mark Twain
Geneq
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland165 Posts
October 09 2010 08:41 GMT
#2331
anybody have a replay pack?
rsol
Profile Joined May 2009
Australia117 Posts
October 09 2010 08:44 GMT
#2332
On October 09 2010 17:41 garett wrote:
anybody have a replay pack?


http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/motbob/IEM_NYC_reps_group.rar
Geneq
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland165 Posts
October 09 2010 09:02 GMT
#2333
On October 09 2010 17:44 rsol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 17:41 garett wrote:
anybody have a replay pack?


http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/motbob/IEM_NYC_reps_group.rar


thank you good sir
nibbl
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 11:31:03
October 09 2010 11:28 GMT
#2334
I honestly can't understand why people enjoy listening to gunrun speak. Content aside, he concentrates too much on getting the perfect tone and completely forgets about what he actually wanted to say, so every sentence he tries to get out has to have a pause or a "uhh" every two or three words while he gets back on track. It's like trying to stream a youtube vid while you're still downloading porn. Just as you think it's going again.. BUFFERING...

If he's not sure what he wants to say or is trying to talk about stuff as it is happening, he should just slow down until he can get it out smoothly imho
teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
October 09 2010 13:21 GMT
#2335
do VOD's exist yet?
anyone?
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 13:27:17
October 09 2010 13:26 GMT
#2336
On October 09 2010 07:05 Schickysc wrote:
I find mr. mumbles keeps interrupting day9 more than anything.....


First off, I'm not casting. Second off, You wanted to cast on Our stream next week? I've heard your commentary and don't for a second think it's better than thegunrun's.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 09 2010 14:46 GMT
#2337
does anyone have PICTURES?
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 15:05:47
October 09 2010 14:59 GMT
#2338
nevermind.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 09 2010 15:36 GMT
#2339
I like Gunrun, he's pleasant and he's very community oriented but he definitely has bad mic habits that in my opinion if he worked on getting rid of them he'd be a much better caster.

For starters he has a habit of making grunting/sighing noises on the mic for no reason. It's not laughter it's just audible utterances that really sound awkward and unprofessional, sometimes it's all he does for 10-15 seconds straight. I think if he consciously tried to stop doing that it would be a benefit to his casting.

Second he has a horrible habit of mumbling his way out of what he is saying. Rather than say what he wants to say and stopping, he will continue talking until it turns into an incomprehensible mumble, usually ending in the aforementioned grunting sigh thing. It's one of the most basic principles of casting that your speech is clear and direct.

He'll have a funny line or something meaningful to say, but then he kind of ruins it by not just stopping at that. Obviously taking some time to learn unit names and being able to refer to things as what they are in the heat of combat rather than this guy and that thing is another thing he should work on.

That said I like the guy, he doesn't deserve hate. He has a good voice and he can be a valuable asset to a more knowledgeable caster, but he has formed bad general speaking habits that he should really practice to get rid of.
DarkJackalX
Profile Joined April 2010
United States165 Posts
October 09 2010 16:57 GMT
#2340
For all of those who are asking about VoDs.. I don't think there are any. Or at least, they are only for those who pay.
MC - Grubby - Huk - WhiteRa - iNcontroL || Nada - QXC - MKP - ThorZaIN - Boxer || July - NesTea - DRG - LoSirA - Sen || FIGHTING!
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