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On September 20 2010 21:38 Honeybadger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 21:36 vyyye wrote:
"These retarded koreans"
Yeah, no generalization or anything going on there. Fuck off with that shit, westerners also cheese. It won him the game, not like he has any reason to regret it. It's a pointless argument, but I stopped encountering a ton of cheese once I broke past gold. (I'm US) and yes, if esports were big here, and americans all cheesed, i'd say "We play like retarded kids." Talent is the way to win, not just betting on a roll of the dice. I will mention that in this tournament, (irregardless of race) players who are of inferior skill that manage to get to 1-1, will just cheese the last game and roll for a win. That's what hyperdub did. That's why I prefer the best of 5. Bad players are more readily knocked out. hyperdub is great, no doubts. But he's just not as good as TLO, and that leaked through in a lot of ways.
Well, yes and no.
If TLO had known that Hyper was a non-cheese heavy macro player (you can tell he is a heavy macro player from all his previous rounds) then he would not scout for proxies. Hyper knowing that TLO would not scout proxies, cheesing -> win. It's a good play FULL STOP. Not that I am saying cheese itself is a good play, it's horrible and rolling the dice in most cases, however just not here.
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In my opinion cheese is the CORRECT Answer if your opponent goes the same mech build order every game. I saw it as a hole in TLO's game that he literally changed nothing game to game and just left it for hyperdub to do a build that exploited the early weakness.
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On September 20 2010 21:38 Angra wrote:
I haven't read any of this thread but I'm assuming the last 5-6 pages have been people raging about TLO losing and trash-talking Hyperdub and being incredibly disrespectful towards him. Shit like that really needs to stop. It gives this website a horrible image. Please, have some sense, and some respect.
Yeah I wanted TLO to advance but Hyperdub deserved the win. There's no other way about it. Congrats to Hyperdub and I hope he puts up a good fight against Tester next round. Better luck to TLO next time.
Its sort of like sports. Fans of one team trash talk other teams. Its comes with competition.. get used to it.
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Well played Hyperdub but to the people saying that "Hyperdub played more solidly in game 1, he just made one big mistake":
A) It's "one big mistake" that put TLO so far behind in the first place (suiciding thors into a tankline and forsaking his contain, allowing 'dub to take the gold).
B) Hyperdub had such a huge contain but forgot to get upgrades: massive mistake (on top of losing such a massive army by attacking two chokes at once).
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On September 20 2010 21:27 zemiron wrote:
I'm sad that more players aren't like that one player who said he didn't cheese because this whole thing is about entertainment. Proxy builds are boring for people to watch.
you have never seen boxer play have you?
where he sneaks an scv in oov's base and listens for the mining, runs back into a corner and proceeds to proxy like a mad man.
proxy builds are exciting and part of the game.
all you fanboys stop hating, we knew koreans would dominate this tourney, dont take away from dubs ability to throw alot of differet things at TLO
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On September 20 2010 21:42 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 21:40 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Players have to do what they can to win. There is no other objective. Mixing up your builds, cheese as some will call it, is part of winning series. There is no reason to be upset with Hyperdub. Dario played great and will show what he is capable of next time. That's always been an axiom of e-sports. Players can do and will do whatever they need to win, everything else is irrelevant. It's a shame so many people have trouble understanding it.
I understand it just fine, doesn't mean I have to respect players who resort to cheap play.
We're not watching a coin toss tournament. A player resorting to cheese turns it into the equivalent of that.
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I'm sad that TLO lost, but I'm mad because I think cheese strategies make for bad entertainment. The games that are fun to watch are the games that go on for a little while. I don't think there is any problem with being made when a player cheeses. It's just not good entertainment.
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On September 20 2010 21:43 Theo wrote:
I think even with TLO out the tournament it is still going to be very exciting, I'm rooting for the TSL guys! COOL( A Fruit Dealer) FIGHTING!!!
you think? man the rest of the gsl is going to be AMAZING!! im rooting for a zerg!!
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On September 20 2010 21:38 TheImmortal wrote:
i don't get it. why the hate..
I'm a TLO fan and I was pulling for him to take the tournament. The pair played an absolutely crazy game one that was a really fun watch, and while game two was shorter it was equally competitive. As soon as I saw that proxy Rax in the third I buried my head.
Part of that is because I knew that my favorite player in the tourney was about to lose, and part of it is because that strategy is so painful when I get hit with it.
Ah well, time to catch up on the other matches and see if I can get invested in one of these other players 
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On September 20 2010 21:38 Senx wrote:
GOMTV doesnt really give a shit about the foreigner scene when they cut off the stream RIGHT when TLO sits down for the interview..
Wow..
Yes screw them, I will never pay for anything from them. Now that the two best foreigners are gone, goodbye.
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Ugh, so disappointing to see a cheese knock out the only reason I cared about this tourney. Good thing I didn't go premium.
TLO does seem sloppy early on if you ask me, and I never really felt good about game 2, but the whole game would be so much better and more entertaining if people didn't go for cheap and easy wins.
I may tune in to see Tester knock out the cheeser though.
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I doubt you'll get to read this since it'll be buried in spam, but GG's TLO. You did great, yo. You'll only get better over the next few years, so I'll definitely be rooting for you in the future GSL tournies!
GG's GL & HF TLO.
=3
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well I guess it makes it easier for me to root for Cool now.TLO is the best foregin terran ever and we are proud of him.Next season you will make it to the semis/finals.
Edit; I wonder What Kona thinks of game 1 if he ever saw it.
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On September 20 2010 21:43 scottyyy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 21:41 gozima wrote:
I really don't understand all the TLO love. He's quite literally won no tournaments in beta or post release.
People throw around the word "creative" way too much when referring to him too.
When other people do unorthodox builds, they're instantly labeled noob, but when TLO does it he's some sort of genius.
Hyperdub outplayed him in game 1 and dominated him in game 2. If it wasn't for one mistake in game 1, hyperdub would have won 2-0. Really now? Are you serious or trolling? * 2nd place, TeamLiquid SC2 Invitational 1 * 1st place, Go4SC2 ESL Cup #7 * 1st place, Go4SC2 ESL Cup #11 * 1st place, Zotac Cup #12 * 2nd place, PLU.cn Kaspersky Cup * 4th place, Altitude TL Invitational * 4th place, HDH Invitational That's pretty fucking impressive.
Tbh, i dont find that especially impressive.
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On September 20 2010 21:40 Shizuru~ wrote:
but whose games do we want to see more of?
I want to see more of Hyperdub, since at this point he seems to be the better player. I mean isn't that the point of an elimination format, that the weaker players get eliminated early so we can see games between the strongest players?
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How did hyperdub know TLO's position without TLO knowing he sent out the instant SCV? I cant see the vod, but as far as i saw hyperdub pulled the SCV up just to scout then down behind natural for proxy. Does the scv out range the barracks in sight and if so isnt this build betting on that the barracks is far enough away from the ramp?
Im kinda confused by this.
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On September 20 2010 21:39 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 21:37 Lovedrop wrote:
Games done, streams offline, no interview. Only pointless bickering in here, close thread please. Nah, we'd rather just use the thread as a trap for idiot posters. There are about 10 mods lurking around here now, waiting for the morons to reveal themselves! (Whenever something dramatic or controversial happens, the morons come out in droves. They can't help themselves.)
a bit of an asshole approach.
Give people who have emotionally invested themselves a break; of course theyre mad.
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On September 20 2010 21:43 Jibba wrote:
I love TLO but that was a pretty brilliant way to end the series after the way those first two games went. You get tunnel vision on intense macro games and then all of the sudden it's a rush. That's the kind of unpredictability/cheese all great players should have in their arsenal.
Yeah when I saw the scv go out on the minimap while Tastetosis were doing the intro for game 3, I was thinking wow great choice here by Hyperdub he's probably going to win. Also my heart started to hurt the same way it did when my pet dog get put down for being overly aggressive to other dogs when I was 12 ='(.
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